PSP or iPod?

[Agent23]

I am trying to decide on which route I should go. I have a PS3 right now. But, I'd like something for on the road and at work. Which way should I go?

SONY PSP or the iPod?

If iPod, which one? I have been considering the Nano, Classic, and Touch. I'd like to go for the iPhone, but, I am under contract w/Verizon till October.

Should I just hold out till October and go for the iPhone then?

Thanks. :)

[Kabukiman]

Does verizon use SIM cards? If so, you can unlock your iPhone to work on any network. I use T-Mobile's pay-as-you-go plan on my iPhone :lol Take it a step further and jailbreak the thing, as I have, and then you can download any homebrew application. The NES emulator, while tough to control at first, is a great time killer.

But to answer your question, that depends on your taste. If you want to play games, go PSP. If music is more your thing, go iPod.

Personally, I would go iPod. I love having enough music to handle any mood at all times.

[Agent23]

Is iTunes compatible with PSP?

[Kabukiman]

Is iTunes compatible with PSP?

Nope. Well, kinda. You can play DRM-free music from iTunes on the PSP (I think).

[Agent23]

Ok, thank-you. I may go for the iPod Classic. And, get a PSP later on. I do alot of iTunes.

[The Josh]

I would go with the IPOD Classic. I have a ton of movies on mine along with music so I can watch or listen to whatever.

[Sick Boy 82]

Go with the big Touch. It's good for watching movies and you get your iTunes too. The PSP is good for both as well, but you will have to use a different music program to load your songs to it. The Classic is good for holding tons of music, but the screen is next to useless for watching movies. 32GB Touch all the way!

[Agent23]

How many Songs and Movies can I get on the 8GB iTouch?

Amazon has it for $280.00 w/free shipping.

[Kabukiman]

How many Songs and Movies can I get on the 8GB iTouch?.

Up to 1,750 songs or 10 hours of video, according to Apple.

[Jesseawilson]

Dont get an Ipod, get a MP3 player.

Many more features, same or more storage, and at half the price or less. I have a 30gig Ipod classic and I got my wife the Sansa MP3 player. I much prefer the Sansa.

[The Josh]

I had just a standard MP3 player and it doesn't even touch the IPod. My MP3 was a very nice player but no place near the features and I couldn't watch movies on it if I wanted.

[hairlesswookiee]

i say go with the ipod touch... i've had a PSP for a while, but after the excitement wore off it sat in the bathroom and was only played when i was on the toilet.

[Starkiller]

Well it depends, if you love video games. The PSP is the only way to go.

Not only does it have a stronger line up than a DS, but it can hold MP3, videos, pictures, as well as play UMD movies. You can buy old PSX classics and transfer them to the PSP, nothing beats playing some old Crash Bandicoot on the go, playing some FFVII: Crisis Core, popping in your favorite movie on UMD (for me it's Casino Royale) and then listening to your favorite CD, all with one system. So it's like the all in one everything, lol.

And you store everything on Sony Memory Stick DUO Pro...run out of room just buy another. Plus it has a lot of features that support the PS3 as well.

[Jesseawilson]

I had just a standard MP3 player and it doesn't even touch the IPod. My MP3 was a very nice player but no place near the features and I couldn't watch movies on it if I wanted.

You had a ^^^^ty MP3 player then........

[The Josh]

You had a ^^^^ty MP3 player then........

No it wasn't thanks for playing though Jesse. :rolleyes:

[Jesseawilson]

No it wasn't thanks for playing though Jesse. :rolleyes:


I am sorry but if your MP3 didnt play video or store your pics then its a ^^^^ty mp3 player.

The point, my point is if you get an mp3 player that has the same features as an Ipod you will pay less. Not only that most of them are far more user friendly.


I don't give a rats *** if you found an mp3 player that doesn't support video thats not really the point. There are hundreds of them out there that do.

Try to keep up....

[Eli26]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

I wish there was a emoticon of a smiley face eating popcorn looking entertained.

[The Josh]

I am sorry but if your MP3 didnt play video or store your pics then its a ^^^^ty mp3 player.

So for a MP3 player (which is music files) to be of any worth it has to do the other? No, I don't think so.

The point, my point is if you get an mp3 player that has the same features as an Ipod you will pay less. Not only that most of them are far more user friendly.

Yeah, you'll pay less. You pay for the name on a lot of this stuff but I haven't had any problems figuring out my IPod or IPhone. If you get confused by the IPOD you might want to stick with those ^^^^ty MP3 players. ;)

I don't give a rats *** if you found an mp3 player that doesn't support video thats not really the point. There are hundreds of them out there that do.

Try to keep up....

Try to keep up? :lol Lets see I have a IPhone and IPod so I think I'm pretty up on those techs don't you? :rolleyes:

I don't give a rats *** if you think MP3 players have to have those other features to be WORTH it but they don't. Its all about what the USER needs. Not what JESSE thinks. :rolleyes:

[Starkiller]

If you want a MP3 player alone, go with an ipod. No one makes stuff as reliable and cool as apple does. Its like a badge of honor.:joy

[The Josh]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

Nah :rotfl

[The Josh]

If you want a MP3 player alone, go with an ipod. No one makes stuff as reliable and cool as apple does. Its like a badge of honor.:joy

See for me one of the reasons I got the IPod was to watch video. If I wanted just an MP3 player I'd have keep my ^^^^ty (:rolleyes: ;) ) old one. :lol

[Eli26]

Nah :rotfl

Chicken! hehe

No fun. :(

[The Josh]

Chicken! hehe

No fun. :(

Nah nothing to fight about. IMO a MP3 player doesn't have to have all these other features to be something worth having. Does it make my IPod nicer than my other MP3 player? Sure as hell does but my other was just fine for what I used it for.

[darthviper107]

I would decide between the Touch or the PSP. Depending on which size of iPod Touch it would probably still have more memory than the PSP (although that can be upgraded with memory cards), both can play videos, both play music. The iPod has Itunes which is nice. But the PSP has great games, and it would be much cheaper. They both have Wi-Fi, but the iPod has an internet browser (I don't think the PSP has one?). You said you have a PS3 also, so your PSP can work in conjunction with that, I know you can stream stuff between them, including a couple games, (like Lair) and play those games with the PS3 graphics on your PSP. But the iPod Touch has some games also, and it's getting a lot more games. Plus it has a touch screen which is nice.

So really, there's the Touch, which is expensive but has a lot of features you could use, then the PSP which is cheaper and has most of the same features but is a game console and can play some really good games.

But really I would think it depends on price, I wouldn't buy anything less than the 32GB Touch, but that would be pretty expensive. 1 movie is like 700MB-1GB so you might fill up an 8GB pretty quick. And even with my 2,500 songs I've filled up like 12GB on my 30GB 5G Classic.

[Jesseawilson]

So for a MP3 player (which is music files) to be of any worth it has to do the other? No, I don't think so.

There you go putting words in peoples mouth yet again. I never said a music only MP3 player was worthless I said it was a ^^^^ty MP3 player. Music only Mp3 players have their place (I guess). In the current generation of MP3 players if it doesn't have features like video capability then yes Josh its a pretty crappy mp3 player. If you want to compare something to an Ipod (which is what you were doing and started this whole debate int he first place) you cant take something designed with less features and say it's not as good. That's not how good comparisons work FYI. Try apples to apples in your comparison as I have done, then give your opinion.



Yeah, you'll pay less. You pay for the name on a lot of this stuff but I haven't had any problems figuring out my IPod or IPhone. If you get confused by the IPOD you might want to stick with those ^^^^ty MP3 players. ;)

You agree with my point but can't resist arguing it is just your way. You pay less and get at least as many if not more features. Being user friendly means its more comfortable and easier to use on a daily basis. I never mentioned anything about not being able to figure out how the Ipod works, but you feel free to assume whatever you need to. I never made a personal statement about you but if you need to reference my intelligence level to make your point then go right ahead and let the personal attacks fly (it's nothing we who have been here for long enough haven't already seen many many times in the past).


I don't give a rats *** if you think MP3 players have to have those other features to be WORTH it but they don't. Its all about what the USER needs. Not what JESSE thinks. :rolleyes:

No Joshua they have to have those features for you to fairly compare them to an Ipod. These as always are opinions, which is what the thread asked for if you'd care to remember. Opinions are indeed "what I think" about stuff.



Forget issues like the Ipod is a scratch magnet, the battery runs out in no time and isn't user replaceable, is bigger, more expensive, locks up and/crashes frequently, songs bought off Itunes are more expensive and have to be converted to play on other mp3 players. Forget all those issues and I am sure many more I am just not thinking of at 2am. Some owners have a vested interest in their brand and cant admit it when it has flaws, so be it. I'm not going to argue logic with someone like Josh, like a few others I know he sees things only one way (his way). Josh if you say that spending more money to get less is a good idea then so be it, it's your money spend away. I keep reminding myself, the world needs all kinds.........


I let the OP know my opinion about his topic and I think I have sufficiently let Josh know what I think of him. So that's all I have to say about that.

I suddenly remembered why I take 6 month hiatus's from this forum......

[Agent23]

Thanks for the info gang.

Question, if I buy music from somewhere other then iTunes, like Amazon or something would I be able to put it on the PSP?

So, I can't put any music from iTunes on the PSP?

[Starkiller]

I would decide between the Touch or the PSP. Depending on which size of iPod Touch it would probably still have more memory than the PSP (although that can be upgraded with memory cards), both can play videos, both play music. The iPod has Itunes which is nice. But the PSP has great games, and it would be much cheaper. They both have Wi-Fi, but the iPod has an internet browser (I don't think the PSP has one?).


PSP has an internet browser.

[Kabukiman]

Not only does it have a stronger line up than a DS

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

That, sir, is a matter of opinion. They definitely cater to different audiences, so there is a clear choice, it just depends on what kind of gaming experience you're looking for.

For some reason DS vs PSP has been an issue of kiddie vs hardcore. I think anyone making that argument doesn't know what they are talking about, and it's not a discussion worth having. imo, the DS offers more innovative titles that could be played in short bursts (the point of handheld gaming, imo) while the PSP offers the console experience in a smaller package. So that statement about having a stronger lineup is true for either system, it just depends on what kind of gaming experience you're looking for.

I try to stay out of fanboy pissing matches, and I'm truly not trying to start one here, but I can't just let a statement like that go unchallenged.

[Kabukiman]

What's all this talk about MP3 players? Who the ^^^^ still uses the MP3 format?

Look what you started, Agent23! :lol

But, to answer your question, your PSP will be able to play DRM free music from Amazon or iTunes just fine. Just make sure you have the latest firmware.

[darthviper107]

Thanks for the info gang.

Question, if I buy music from somewhere other then iTunes, like Amazon or something would I be able to put it on the PSP?

So, I can't put any music from iTunes on the PSP?

If it's got the DRM it can only be played in Itunes or an iPod. I don't know if Amazon has DRM on their music.

[The Josh]

I would just get an IPod or ITouch if you want to watch movies and listen to music.

I would get a PSP if you want to play games on top of the others.

I would get just a stand alone MP3 if you only want to listen to music.

4 me personally I upgraded to the IPod Classic because I wanted to watch movies on the go along with my music. Something my old MP3 couldn't do.

[ilovefreestufftoo]

I chose the Ipod. It's smaller.

[nash]

PSP all the way!! Unlock it and download any game you want for free. plus add videos, music and pics, and browse the net.

Ipod is the most over-hyped piece of ^^^^ player on the market today. much better selections for multi-media players or even music players out there than ipods.

[Starkiller]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

That, sir, is a matter of opinion. They definitely cater to different audiences, so there is a clear choice, it just depends on what kind of gaming experience you're looking for.

For some reason DS vs PSP has been an issue of kiddie vs hardcore. I think anyone making that argument doesn't know what they are talking about, and it's not a discussion worth having. imo, the DS offers more innovative titles that could be played in short bursts (the point of handheld gaming, imo) while the PSP offers the console experience in a smaller package. So that statement about having a stronger lineup is true for either system, it just depends on what kind of gaming experience you're looking for.

I try to stay out of fanboy pissing matches, and I'm truly not trying to start one here, but I can't just let a statement like that go unchallenged.

I think it went unchallenged because most agree with it. Anyone can argue all they want and deny the DS is catered toward children and the PSP is catering towards an older hardcore crowd, but it's true. DS has some good games but nothing that would appeal to most older gamers. You said it so yourself except for the word gimmicky you used innovative, PSP offers "a console in your hands" basically and can also be played in short bursts. I'd feel ridiculous carrying around the little DS in public. The line up for certain consoles says it all:

DS games: Nintendogs, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokemon, Phoenix Wright, Hanna Montana, Elite Beat Agents, Animal Crossing, Kirby, etc....

PSP games: God of War, Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, Crisis Core, Grand Theft Autos, Tekken, Battlefront, Syphon Filter, WipEout, etc...

Nintendos approach for the DS is the same as the wii, aim at very young children( (especially girls, kids who like cute anime characters etc.) or very old people who enjoy brain age or other non-game, games.

[Kabukiman]

DS games: Nintendogs, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokemon, Phoenix Wright, Hanna Montana, Elite Beat Agents, Animal Crossing, Kirby, etc....

PSP games: God of War, Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops, Crisis Core, Grand Theft Autos, Tekken, Battlefront, Syphon Filter, WipEout, etc...


You're forgetting the great games like Castlevania, Mega Man, Advance Wars, Ninja Gaiden, Final Fantasy, all for the DS.

I still stand by my statement, if someone is thinking DS vs PSP is a matter of kiddie vs. hardcore, then they either don't understand gaming as a whole or they need to take the fanboy goggles off.

[Starkiller]

You're forgetting the great games like Castlevania, Mega Man, Advance Wars, Ninja Gaiden, Final Fantasy, all for the DS.

I still stand by my statement, if someone is thinking DS vs PSP is a matter of kiddie vs. hardcore, then they either don't understand gaming as a whole or they need to take the fanboy goggles off.

The games catered towards hardcore gamers are few and far between on the DS, I think Nintendo needs to take the goggles off and start making games for gamers and not little girls.

[Furious1]

I'm actually trying to sell my PSP, havent really used it much lately.

[Starkiller]

I'm actually trying to sell my PSP, havent really used it much lately.

Really? I'd sell my DS, but my gf bought it for me, and I'd feel guilty, when she asks hows your DS? And I say, whoops I sold it.

[SpawnFan]

The games catered towards hardcore gamers are few and far between on the DS, I think Nintendo needs to take the goggles off and start making games for gamers and not little girls.

That Nintendo makes games for kids is a huge misconception! They are one of the greatest game developers there are! That their games might look more colourful then those of other developers does not mean that the concepts behind them are catered towards children.

[Bat Eater]

i always thought DS and PSP are for little kidz :D, cant wait to get madden in PSP, if i was you i'll get both, play while you listen to music :rock

[Starkiller]

That Nintendo makes games for kids is a huge misconception! They are one of the greatest game developers there are! That their games might look more colourful then those of other developers does not mean that the concepts behind them are catered towards children.

Color has nothing to do with it.

Nintendo:
http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/69197/nintendogs_pack_1_qjpreviewth.jpg

Vs.


Sony:
http://www.vgblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/03/God%20of%20War%20PSP%20Demo.jpg

Concepts are everything Nintendo caters toward children, girls, and casual gamers. Nintendo makes 4 games catering towards hardcore, and even those this last gen have gone soft for the casual crowd. Mario, Metroid, Zelda, and Smash Brothers. Ti's a shame they prefer to make games about raising puppies, or being fit rather than real games aimed toward actual gamers, and not little girls who own a nice little pink DS...

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/10/3335-DSPink.jpg

Nintendo crowd:
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/10/lillyds.jpg


Sony crowd:
http://images2.ggl.com/articles/4883/chobot.jpg

Right it must be the color!:rotfl

[Bat Eater]

Color has nothing to do with it.




Nintendo crowd:
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/10/lillyds.jpg


Sony crowd:
http://images2.ggl.com/articles/4883/chobot.jpg

Right it must be the color!:rotfl


:mwaha:mwaha, i wish my girl did that with my psp :naughty:naughty

[Kabukiman]

This is the stupidest argument I've ever seen. We can post box art all night.

ZOMGS!1!1!! PSP IS FOR TEH KIDDIZ!1!!!

PSP: http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1778/935285bkv9.jpg

DS: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3160/180430bog5.jpg

Clearly, the DS is only aimed at the "hardcore" gamer and the PSP is only aimed at 10 year old girls. By posting these two box art images, I proved my point that all of the thousands of DS titles are for the hardcore gamer who likes kicking the ^^^^ out of people ninja-style and the dozens of PSP titles out there are for the little girl who wants to be a waitress.

Actually, we wouldn't be able to post box art all night because we'd run out of PSP box art in an hour. Oh well, enough of this, I'm going to go play my PSP. But only because I lost my DS. :lol

[Agent23]

I'm gonna get the iPod Classic 80GB for now, I think.

Then in the summer I'll probably get the PSP. I have a ton of games for my PS3 I am still trying to fit time in to play (GTA IV included).

Thanks to everyone for chiming in. :)

[Bat Eater]

I'm gonna get the iPod Classic 80GB for now, I think.

Then in the summer I'll probably get the PSP. I have a ton of games for my PS3 I am still trying to fit time in to play (GTA IV included).

Thanks to everyone for chiming in. :)

you made the right choice grasshopper :joy

[Starkiller]

This is the stupidest argument I've ever seen. We can post box art all night.

ZOMGS!1!1!! PSP IS FOR TEH KIDDIZ!1!!!

PSP: http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1778/935285bkv9.jpg

DS: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3160/180430bog5.jpg

Clearly, the DS is only aimed at the "hardcore" gamer and the PSP is only aimed at 10 year old girls. By posting these two box art images, I proved my point that all of the thousands of DS titles are for the hardcore gamer who likes kicking the ^^^^ out of people ninja-style and the dozens of PSP titles out there are for the little girl who wants to be a waitress.

Actually, we wouldn't be able to post box art all night because we'd run out of PSP box art in an hour. Oh well, enough of this, I'm going to go play my PSP. But only because I lost my DS. :lol

I'd rather have better over quantity. Go in the video game section of your local store and just look...kiddie games overpower all games for the DS, as 90% of the games are aimed at 10 year olds. Now go over to the PSP section 10% of the games are aimed at children. I'm sorry I prefer to play a system aimed more at my age demographic and interests. I'm sorry I'd rather rip people open with my blades of olympus than catpure little cute pokemon. Or I'd rather sneak around and snap peoples neck as Snake then raise puppies.

[Bat Eater]

I'd rather have better over quantity. Go in the video game section of your local store and just look...kiddie games overpower all games for the DS, as 90% of the games are aimed at 10 year olds. Now go over to the PSP section 10% of the games are aimed at children. I'm sorry I prefer to play a system aimed more at my age demographic and interests. I'm sorry I'd rather rip people open with my blades of olympus than catpure little cute pokemon. Or I'd rather sneak around and snap peoples neck as Snake then raise puppies.

yea what he said, i dont know what the hell is wrong with you guyz saying that DS is better then PSP..... hey Kabukiman, what the hell you talking about?! Diner Dash is a cool game :monkey4 :D

[Fritz]

Get a Sirius Stiletto 2. It'll play MP3's and you can listen to NFL Radio all day long. :idea :lecture

[Agent23]

Bought my iPod Classic 80GB tonight. But, I think I am gonna get a PSP anyway.

:D

[Agent23]

Bought the Daxter Ice Silver PSP bundle. Also bought Final Fantasy Tactics for it.

Been loading up videos on it already. Also, the Amazon MP3 downloads are compatibe w/both my iPod and my PSP. So, from now on I'll be buying from Amazon.

:D

Great little system. Got it linked up to my PS3 with the "Remote Play". Pretty awesome feature. Love it.

[BuffyGirl]

I am going to go with psp because of the gaming capabilities. You get more out of it. Other than games, ipod is fine. I have an ipod, but I love my psp more.

[Eternal_D]

i voted psp just because I don't get why everybody loves the ipod...

[nash]

a modded psp owns any mobile device.

[carbo-fation]

Is there a way to get the psp unlocked by yourself? I am planning on getting one in the next couple of days and I would love to be able to do all sorts of stuff without having to pay for it.

[Agent23]

I'm not even sure "unlock" means...for the PSP.

I bought Crisis Core: Final Fantasy 7 today. I'll be looking to pick up Lumines 2 soon. As well as Lord of the Rings Tactics, and I'm sure GTA: Vice City Stories and Libery City Stories.

So many good games. So little time.

[BadMoon]

I'm not even sure "unlock" means...for the PSP.

I bought Crisis Core: Final Fantasy 7 today. I'll be looking to pick up Lumines 2 soon. As well as Lord of the Rings Tactics, and I'm sure GTA: Vice City Stories and Libery City Stories.

So many good games. So little time.

I am with you Agent. I recently bought a PSP and have only played games on it. I probably haven't even touched what this baby can do.

[Agent23]

Well, I have put some music and some movies on it. If you convert videos to the MPG4 format to iTunes, create a new folder on your desktop and click and drag them there. Then you can upload them to your PSP memory card, in the file called "Movies".

I don't know what "unlock" means thou...

[carbo-fation]

Well, I have put some music and some movies on it. If you convert videos to the MPG4 format to iTunes, create a new folder on your desktop and click and drag them there. Then you can upload them to your PSP memory card, in the file called "Movies".

I don't know what "unlock" means thou...

I hope Nash or someone else can expand on this. Seems very intriguing to me.

[nash]

unlock or modding your psp means that you bypass having to play games from those UMD discs. You can download and store video games on your memory stick and play them straight from there :). I havent bought one psp game, yet i have all the new and better games on my hard drive ready to swap out and play from my memory stick any time.

[carbo-fation]

unlock or modding your psp means that you bypass having to play games from those UMD discs. You can download and store video games on your memory stick and play them straight from there :). I havent bought one psp game, yet i have all the new and better games on my hard drive ready to swap out and play from my memory stick any time.

That sounds awesome! You wouldn't happen to know how to get this done?:monkey3

[The ill Jedi]

...Got it linked up to my PS3 with the "Remote Play". Pretty awesome feature. Love it.
Congrats on getting a PSP!

How exactly does the 'Remote Play' feature work? I've heard of it, but don't know what it's for.

[bagelsncheesey]

Congrats on getting a PSP!

How exactly does the 'Remote Play' feature work? I've heard of it, but don't know what it's for.

It's for accessing content on your PS3 from anywhere.

[The Josh]

Doesn't unlocking it void the warranty?

[bagelsncheesey]

Doesn't unlocking it void the warranty?

Yes it does.

[The Josh]

I thought so. That would be all the reason I wouldn't do it.

[bagelsncheesey]

I thought so. That would be all the reason I wouldn't do it.

I agree. I like my PSP the way it is, and don't mind buying games.

[nash]

I thought so. That would be all the reason I wouldn't do it.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl Youre worried about a warranty for a $150 item?

[The Josh]

I agree. I like my PSP the way it is, and don't mind buying games.

Right its not like PSP games are that expensive.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl Youre worried about a warranty for a $150 item?

Yeah, I am. I don't have $150 to just toss around. Some of us aren't born with silver spoons in our mouths.

[nash]

Right its not like PSP games are that expensive.



Yeah, I am. I don't have $150 to just toss around. Some of us aren't born with silver spoons in our mouths.

The better games are $30 to $40. You buy 4 or 5 and that's already paid for a new PSP. Youre fine with paying for games yet worried about a $150 warranty? I dont get it...

I actually pay rent and all my bills, you?

[The Josh]

I'd rather buy games than risk something happening to my PSP and not letting the warranty to what its supposed to. If you void the warranty you're screwed and I would prefer not to have to go out and buy a new one. I rarely if ever buy 3-4 new games in such a short period of time.

As far as what I pay. I pay all the same bills you do. :)

[Badvermin]

unlock or modding your psp means that you bypass having to play games from those UMD discs. You can download and store video games on your memory stick and play them straight from there :). I havent bought one psp game, yet i have all the new and better games on my hard drive ready to swap out and play from my memory stick any time.

Thanks a lot for supporting us developers. :mad:

[granado.espada]

I say go for PSP.!

[Agent23]

Well, I returned my iPod and exchanged it for the iPod Clasic 160GB.

Up to 40,000 Songs.

:rock

[vader70450]

get yourself a voyager....best of all worlds...