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03-10-2005, 07:21 PM
anyone get past Helms Deep as good side yet???
I have gotten there, but am overwhelmed before Eomer/Gandy arrives.
Anyone survive this and beat this section??
I have done what some of the walkthroughs have suggested and lived longer, but I usually end up losing a hero, or the Uruks blow deeping wall.
03-10-2005, 08:41 PM
Upgrade all archers (rohan/elven), their armour and fire arrows. put legolas in the middle, and line Aragorn/Gimli/Boromir/Eowyn along the wall, along with archers. When the Uruk comes with siege ladders have the archers (with fire arrows take them out). After Beserkers come with the bomb, get the troops out of walls, when it blows, rush the uruks and rush one of the base. Theoden in horse rider at the gate will guard the gate with 2 sets of Rohan riders and attack the battle ram. Then Eomer/Gandalf should be around, summon them by click on the Rohan flag (the timer left top corner). Then rush the other the second base with everybody.
This should work even in hard mode, I've never been defeated at Helms Deep. I even kill both Uruk bases even before Eomer/Gandalf arrives. Just make sure your heroes stay alive.
03-11-2005, 12:19 AM
Im just starting as the good guys, finished as the Uruks, thought the end was a bit of a cop out though, but not gonna spoil it, am looking forward to Helms deep now, but need to practice my online gaming, have some mates who keep on beating me on singles, got some strategies ready now though! :speech
03-12-2005, 06:08 AM
Hey thanks for the tips on Helms Deep. I was finally able to get past it with the above advice.
I have a new one also, that worked there...
At the first wave, when the battering ram and the pikeman assault the main gate, I had my archers kill off the wargs and assist in killing the battering ram.
I had theoden march out through the side gate and attack the Ram to destroy it. This had the effect of getting the uruk pikemen to come after him and loiter around the secret entrance for a long time. I DID NOT KILL THEM OFF
By this time, I had mopped up the first wave, and had rebuilt the forces on the wall. The funny thing is, by not killing the Pikemen on the gate assault, it prevents the game AI from sending the second Uruk assault wave, giving you valuable precious time to armor up yoru archers, and give them all flame arrows, armor up the cavalry etc. By the time I had all the archers trained up to level three or four with Lego's help and the peasants trained up also
Let's just say, it was a killing spree when the second wave came, and the third wave, and the fourth wave...fun to build up experience so fast. I only had to mke sure the mines didn't get too close...actually, it was fun to blow them up out range of the wall and do damage to the Uruk formations.
Working on Isgiliath right now...killed a few Oliphants, but want to build up the experienced troops alot.
03-12-2005, 06:42 AM
Way to go Smaug. Kill them mofu's.
03-12-2005, 06:52 AM
I'm really wishing they'd come out with this game for Macintosh... :(
03-12-2005, 07:10 PM
As am I rook.
03-13-2005, 11:47 AM
Cheers for posting the tips! I started Helms Deep today, but got overwhelmed by the siege ladders. Will try again tomorrow! Looking forward to Isengard.
03-13-2005, 02:10 PM
FrodoEyes, you should armed the archers with fire arrows first before the time runs out on the Uruk charge and if there's any money left go for armour upgrade. When Uruk comes with ballastic calpults, Gimli with his level 5 power or Rohan riders should take them out.
03-13-2005, 04:14 PM
After Helms Deep, you are introduced to Faramir at the Forbidden Pool, very nice.
Played it through a couple of times, figurin out best way,
So far, I was able to jump Faramir up to level 3, and build me some nice amounts of armored archers, tower guards, soldiers, and cavalry. By almost totally wiping out the last orc base, but leaving it the ability to build cheapo troops, i was able to upgrade all my forces with armor, shielding, better weaponry, flame arrows, and cavalry shielding, and banner carriers.
My forces totally kick *** now, and have some good throw away ones when I need to build other upgrades in the future missions.
Its mean, but you have to send many off to die to be able to get around the resource cap, and training requirements to upgrade your blacksmiths, and other buildings.
03-13-2005, 04:29 PM
Is this game worth getting? It sounds like it but I've never been a big PC game player.
03-13-2005, 10:21 PM
Yes, me too. I donīt know this game, but it sounds like fun... :toast
03-14-2005, 12:14 AM
Hey josh, rob, i was NEVER a big gamer on the PC, only ever played rollercoaster tycoon on it, was a PS2 man b4 that, but this game is amazing,, like Red alert (if you ever played it) but with Middle earth characters, all the places you see in the films you battle at, very addictive, online gaming as well, had a 3 on 3 fri night at osgiliath!
Buy it, if you dont like it, i'll pay for it! ;)
I finished the game as the good guys and started over as the bad guys... Very Cool Game !!:banana
03-14-2005, 08:39 AM
Does Mouse @#%$ roll? of course you should get it!
03-14-2005, 09:26 AM
May have to buy this one. Thanks Big Al.
03-14-2005, 10:09 AM
I would recommend this game. Everything is balanced between Rohan/Gondor/Isengard/Mordor.
Helm's Deep/Minas Tirith/Black Gate are really fun scenerios.
Have you guys been to the BFME message boards and download player's creation of heroes like Sauron?
03-14-2005, 11:30 AM
May pop into the BFME message boards for tips. Didn't think i'd need any as I done the evil mode quite easily, but it's so harder when you're the good guys under seige.
Just tried Helms Deep, lost again. I run out of money too quickly. What exactly did you build? One stable, one archery range, one armoury etc?
Also do you let the gate be broken and the deeping wall be blown up or are you supposed to stop that? And how do I make sure I have enough money/resouces!!!
I got through all the attack waves then everyone died while I was attacking the last wave after the deeping wall had been blown up, then Eomer/Gandy arrived and started to kill off the uruks inside Helms Deep but then I had to guard the citadel and there is where I eventually died.
03-14-2005, 12:34 PM
build four farms. one armory(I destroy the armory once I've upgrade armour and weapon and then I build a 5th farm), one stable. (build armory and then stable last), I even destory the fountain and make a farm - in total you can have 6 farms.
have the 2 rohan rider (create another from the stables and upgrade armor only)and theoden on horseback guard (gives bonus to troops)the gate and build a secret door on the right hand side of the gate. have one set of rohan archers on each side of the gate and possible 3rd one on the top of the gate.
when the elven archers come, line them along the deeping wall with 3 more sets of rohan archers. the rest of the archers between the deeping wall and the gate. put Boromir/Aragorn/Gimli/Eowyn/Legolas along the deeping wall, but keep Legolas on the right side. upgrade with archers with fire arrows first and then with armour. (this could be achieved before the Uruk army comes)
when Uruk comes with siege ladders, have Legolas use double arrows, Gimli throwing axe, Eowyn's spear take out one ladder each (with archer's fire arrows). If the berserkers managed to get on top of the wall. Aragorn, Boromir/Gimli kill them.
The deeping wall will be destroyed no matter what, you can't stop it. It'll blow up by itself or Uruks with a bomb near it during the third wave. The Uruks will send ballastic calpults, these are dangerous cause they take out your guys faster. Gimli's power at level 5 (don't know what's it's called) gives him more attack power and running speed, have him attack the calpults or use Rohan riders destroy them.
Whenever the battling ram comes, have Theoden (use Theoden Charging power)and the horse riders attack it, by coming out of the secret tunnel.
After the Uruks fourth wave attack, u could either wait until Eomer/Gandalf to arrive to rush the base or do a rush with 2/3 of your archers with Aragorn/Boromir/Eowyn/Legolas/Gimli to destroy one Isengard's base, then Eomer's army rushes the other. Don't rush if you don't have a full army. When you're rushing, take out those calpults, they are a big reason why your army can get swiped out.
I think you're having money problems cause your heroes are dying. If a hero is low on life, pull him/her back to safety to the keep. It's expensive reviving them. Remember then Aragorn can heal heroes nearby.
I hope this helps.
03-15-2005, 09:08 AM
Cheers, I'll try that later today!!
03-16-2005, 05:21 AM
Well, it worked! Although only just, I finished the level with just Eomer, Gandalf, a group of peasants, a group of Rohan archers and a set of Rohan riders!
Got prepared as mentioned above, took out the first 2 or 3 waves easily although a number of Uruks did get onto the wall before I could destroy the ladders, but that was OK as I managed to hire new archers for the ones I lost.
Then the wall blew and I managed to finish off the wave of bad guys who were there but then the last wave came before I could rush a base, and that last wave managed to wipe me out, including Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Boromir, Eowyn and Theoden who I brought into that battle with his Rohirrim riders to run over the majority of bad guys while the archers above the gate destroyed any battering rams that tried to break in.
So I thought great, here we go again. Then I noticed Eomer/Gandy were 30 seconds away so while the remaining group of uruks started destroying my farmsI waited until the reinforcements came. I was gonna kill the uruks in Helms Deep then saw lots more coming from the bases so to stop any more arriving and me being totally overwhelmed I destroyed both bases first.
By the time I had finished, the uruks had destroyed all the farms and were in the bit inside the gate, destroying my stable and armoury and killing my archers, so I opened up the gates and charged them down, attacking from their ruined base and destoying the ballista first then I managed to win and only be left with the two heroes, the peasants, archers and Rohan riders!
Go me!! I'm now off to destroy Isengard.
03-16-2005, 06:43 PM
The best tactic on this game is easy..... forget all units (Good Campaign), and only make Elven warriors. The best unit.
And try to reach high levels with your heros the mos quick as you can.
03-16-2005, 11:50 PM
Yeah i found that tactic good FE, archers have the best range on the game, although rohan riders with flame arrows are pretty useful, trample, turn, kill, and repeat!
Tried online last night in a 3 vs 3 and got slaughtered, went is as Mordor, Gondor and gondor vs Gondor, isengard and isengard, the guy had heavy armour in about 1 minute, forged blades in 2! And as i had weak defence i was the easy target ,had gtw helping and he got killed! lasted bout 10 mins,
man those onliners are pro's!
03-17-2005, 09:11 AM
Archers, pff. They die too easily. Rohan riders all the way! As Al said - Charge, trample, kill, repeat. Easy! Ad since now I've got my 'summon Rohan allies' upgrade, I'm laughing!
03-17-2005, 09:44 AM
When you are attacked "body to body", its time to let your elven swords lighting under the moon..... Launch 3 groups of sword infantry and let the rest like archers.... nothing in the bad side can stop it.
Wait when you can use the DEAD ARMY......or the Gandalf last power.... :banana :p
03-21-2005, 12:11 AM
Nice tip, hadnt been using the elves with swords!
I love Gandalfs last power, but not when your playing online! >: killed 130 uruks in seconds! my whole army pretty much gone, then the army OT dead came to put salt in the wounds!
03-21-2005, 09:31 AM
Playing as the good guys is so much better than being the baddies - as if Helms Deep were'nt enough, tearing down Isengard was great, then that amazing Faramir level at the Forbidden Pool and then defending the bridges at Osgiliath...wow. I'm now playing as Sam in Shelob's lair. Is also fun playing a few levels as the Rohirrim to build my army up for when they arrive at Minas Tirith. On one level I made my fortress and built my army up to its maximum, complete with all the upgrades before I ventured outside and as soon as I moved I was surrounded by thousands of uruks with battering rams, catupults etc, and more coming from a nearby base! It was fun though, going on a killing spree with all my upgrades...
03-22-2005, 09:29 AM
So...any tips for Minas Tirith??!!
03-22-2005, 10:55 AM
Put your archers on the walls, With Faramir and gandalf in the two "towers" of the gate. Boromir in the left wall and Pippin in the right. Now close the gate and start building: a Archery Range and a Well near the gate. Now build a lot of farms, a Marketplace, Stoneworker, Workshop and a Blacksmith in the superiors levels. Build a keep near the right wall... the Nazgul will appear on this zone.
Now start to recruit archers.. and upgrade it the most quick as you can. The same with the walls. Try to do the upgrades of the marketplace, it would be a great adittion and help for receive funds from the farms.
In the perimeter of the wall, build this secuence: trebuchet, Battle tower, trebuchet, battle tower..... and 1 secret entrance at the top right wall. Put your archers the most near of between as you can.
Now the method is simple.... keep mordor out of the wall and the gate. Put "Gandalfīs Wizard Blast" on auto (right click on the icon) and the same with the "Faramirīs bow shoot" power.. when any enemy units (an horde) be near of the gate, use Gandalf Blast to put them out. All you need is dont let the assault towers be near the walls.. use the archers, Pippin and Boromir to do that. Now wait until Grond arrives.
When grond reach the gate.. use the elven and rohan spells to bring them to destroy grond, send 4 archers companys and use gandalf powers and faramir shoots too. When you destroy Grond, the only thing you need is wait until Rohan come to help you... destroy the top enemy base with them, and in short time, you will be healped by Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas with the power of the Army of the deaths..
It would be more easy than Helmīs Deep.
03-24-2005, 12:45 PM
Minas Tirith is more easier than Helm's Deep. Any stragedy will do.
I would do what Sebasval said, except for, the top row of the city, I would build all blacksmith cause the more you have the less it will cost to upgrade weapons/armour/banner.
You only need 2 trebuchets on each side of the gate and the rest are towers (like what Sebasval said, trebuchet, tower, trebuchet, and then the rest towers) and also bottom level city build 2 towers at each corner. this will help when the nazgul attacks (kills them faster with your archers) and if you get invaded by the orcs from siege towers. This would provide better defense
03-25-2005, 05:06 AM
Thanks for the tips, I asked before I actually played the level in case I needed help, but you're right it was all ok!
I was breathless when it was over! What an experience. The best level of any game I've ever played. I built mainly farms and market places on the 2nd level because if I needed to get reinforcements for any soldiers that were killed they would get to ther action quicker if I built the archeries, barracks and stables on the 1st level. Built a tower on the right for the Nazgul. The hardest part was the first attack, and keeping track of where the siege towers were going, and the catapults, and dealng with the orc archers and getting replacements for any dead soldiers.
Then suddenly Grond appeared at the main gate so I got everyone I could to try and destroy it - Gandy, faramir, Pippin, archers. The gate was about 2 or 3 hits away from being breached so I opened up and out rode Gandy and some riders to do some damage before getting them back inside again, but poor Gandy got stuck outside with Grond! The gate was then destroyed but as soon as it was, so was Grond. Then it was a frantic scramble to destoy all the siege towers, orcs, catupults etc with a breached gate, also killed a Fell Beast. Pippin, faramir and Boromir were killed. Then Rohan arrived! I charged down and destoyed the first base and the 3 Nazgul, then the Mumakil show up!! So I summon the Rohan allies to join in and kill the mumaks (Yeoman archers are very useful) then I rush and destroy the second base, then pull back to guard the broken gate.
All the orcs were cleared up and it was a simple matter of dealing with all the orcs and a few trolls who showed up. I just rode all of my riders out from the gate to trample the orcs, and it was easy to kill the surrounded trolls, then pull back to the city again. Done that a few times before Aragorn and the dead army arrived then once everything was killed, game over!
I look forward to playing it again :D
I'm now finishing all the mini missions so I have all the upgrades to fight at the black gate.
03-26-2005, 08:42 PM
Well, I finished the game.
The Battle of the Black Gates is actually very easy after you complete most or all of the side missions just after Minas Tirith. I happened to do them all to level up the Rohan forces a bit more. I then leveled up all the Gondor forces so that most of my heroes were level 10 or a few just under that. About the only one I didnt get leveled up was Merry, he didnt get past the 5th for me. But he was all that important anyways, no mission with Eowyn ro kill the Morgul Lord.
After arrving at the Black Gates, I arranged my archers in a semi-circle around the gate, I sent the horse troops to the rear to guard the camps, didnt really even touch them after that, just to handle some pesky warg riders. No Mouth of Sauron either, but maybe that will be fixed in a later patch.
Then I set all my heroes powers on auto, and sent Legolas to wipe out the flame archers on the top of the gate. Easy.
Then the first wave hit and it was a slaughter...for my side. All my archers were level 9 or better and flame arrows, and guarded by soldiers, made quick work of the orcs. Several other waves of orcs, trolls, and haradrim with Oli's and it was over. Used the Ents to destroy the gate walls/doors, Eagles to manage some Trolls and Nazgul, and the Army of the Dead is a awesome force, nothing touches them. It's fun to make them appear in the middle of the Orc army and they just run all over and kill everything.
about 20 minutes into the battle, you have the option of pulling for reinforcements of Rohan, or Gondor (depending on which army you used to begin with). I used the reinforcements once, but discovered with some good planning, I didnt need to use them to win.
After the 20-25 minutes winds down, a 5 minute timer appears that represents the Frodo/Sam/Gollum struggle in Mt. Doom, and then the forces of Mordor really come hauling out the gate, but its manageable. When the timer runs down, the game is over, cut to a movie and then stat display as usual at the end of battles.
Now to play as Mordor and see if its possible to Burn the Shire down.
It's an enjoyable game and has good replay value.
Pet peeves - Aragorn doesnt have the ability to ride horses, um, hello????? Brego???? Battle of the Black Gates????
also, none of the other heroes can ride with other heroes, such as Merry with Eowyn, or Pippen with Gandalf.
Nazgul are too easy to kill. Trolls hardly ever grabbed weapons, never seen them have maces or swords until the end of the game.
03-27-2005, 11:09 AM
Smaug, did you finish the Black gates with all of yur heroes alive? Apparantly, if you do, there's a bonus level? BTW Eagles are supposedly considered heroes too.
I can tell you if there's a Shire level if you want? Obviously I wanted there to be one as I'm a massive fan of the Scouring Of The Shire.
I was a bit annoyed Aragorn couldnt ride a horse to, and that Pippin and Merry couldnt join Gandalfand Eowyn on a horse. I didn't really know what to do with them as they're too slow to reach a fight before it's over. They're very handy with stones though, they get levelled up quicker than using their swords. They got levelled up a couple of missions after Minas Tirith by doing that on my game.
03-27-2005, 01:53 PM
I haven't reached the Black gates yet, but done with Minas tirith. My poor computer....
As most of us know, EA is not allowed to use anything that wasn't in the movies.
Not a 100% game, but very entertaining anyway. Loved it and looking forward to have time to play Black Gates, if my comp may handle it...
03-29-2005, 11:06 AM
Didn't anybody have a problem with this game? My men are half way through and all of a sudden the PC won't recognise the DVD anymore. It says something about a runtime error - DVD is not scratched. Seems not an uncommon mistake, as EA apparently are working on a Patch (1.02). Now we just have to wait for it to be released to continue playing. :rolleyes
03-29-2005, 11:16 AM
That's not nice... :(
02-09-2006, 10:31 PM
Battle for Middle Earth II Demo available
Here it is:
Get it while it's hot. You can play two different factions (Orcs and Dwarves).
02-10-2006, 09:15 AM
man this game is gonna rock!!! this is a good time to be a RTS fan. with empire at war coming out and then BFME II coming out im not gonna leave the computer room.
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