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Well, we talked about it in chat a couple nights ago... and just really noticed Dave's icon and it inspired me to start a thread. (This may be long)
Where to start... wow. I (like Dave) view the Kill Bill saga as one film. And one of the best of all time. For those who don't know, it WAS actually one film until 2 months before release. Nobody wanted to cut anything out, but they also didn't know how the public would respond to an almost five hour long revenge epic with a quieter second half. So, Daryl Hannah suggested splitting it in two, seeing as how the narrative and general tone completely shifts at the half way point. So they did... anyway.. on to the movie.
Tarantino does SOOO many things right with this movie. Even when he is blatantly paying homage to those films that inspired him, he is completely in control and it is HIS style and print that we see, not simply a dublicate shot. To list the movies that this film references, in words or with shots, would take pages, however it comes of as completely its own film.
Some things I LOVE...
1. Beatrix Kiddo... not revealing "The Brides" name was not only extremely cool, but it established the charatcer as simply... "The Bride"... a pissed of chick who got screwed on her wedding day and is out for blood. Throughout the movie, prior to learning her name, there are several references to it... several characters call her "Kiddo" which we pay no attention to. Then there is the seemingly pointless but oh so cool exchange of "Silly Rabbit. Trix are..." "For Kids" ... TRIX.... KIDS... BEATRIX KIDDO!! ahhhh... which brings me to my second point...
3. Alluding to the truth. Tarantino gives his audience room to think. Whether it be the conents of Marcelus's briefcase in Pulp Fiction or whether Elle Driver is really dead, he loves to make his audience guess. Whereas other (lesser) directors beat you over the head with who is who and how everyone feels, Tarantino leaves it for us to discover... Point in fact... the relationships between Oren and Beatrix and Elle and Beatirx. Going back to the "trix" exchange before.. this seemingly pointless exchange tells us A LOT about these two characters. Remember, Bea and those that make up her Death List Five were once upon a time all in the same posse. It is obvious that Oren and Bea were friends. The "trix" exchange was probably something they used to say to one another and laugh. Evidence of their friendship can be seen in their battle. An elegant Samurai Sword fight... an art of fighting built on respect for your enemy. After Oren has been cut, the two stare at each other. We see the respect Oren has for Bea, she realizes she is going to die, and she commends Bea and apologizes for ridiculing her (and most likely, also for f!@king her over). There are tears in Bea's eyes as she accepts the apology and realizes that she HAS to settle the score, even though this person in front of her used to be her enemy. SUCH a beautiful scene. Take this and compare it to the Elle and Bea trailer home brawl. A Dirty, no hold bars, bite em, scratch em til their dead (or not?) fight. These two women HATED each other. Even when they were partners, you assume they never liked each other bc of the hate that is between them. Obviously, Elle is a scoundrel (a damn right cool one). She killed Pei-Mei, Killed Budd for a sword and lied to Bill about it and took credit for killing Bea. Bea, as stated before, is honorable. We KNOW they hate each other, just like we KNOW its the opposite with Oren. And NEVER is there a single line of dialouge that says "I love you" or "I hate you". Just great.
3. The funny moments. From Go-Go's silly school girl giggle, to Hatori hanzo's screwball antics in the shushi shop... you can't deny that this brutal revenge epic has its moments of pure humor. Oh, and "Revenge is a dish best served cold" - Old Klingon Proverb HAHAH
4. The emotional parts. From the films opening scene of the bloody brides "last" moments... to watching her wake from her coma to learn her baby is gone... to the first time we see Bea and Bill toghether (my favorite part of the whole thing!!!).... to the excruciating scene where Bea is buried alive... to the Bea seeing her daughter alive. This movie has moments that just sweep you away with raw emotion.
5. The Anime sequence. Nuff Said. BTW, who thinks that Bill is the guy that killed Oren's father? They seem to make a big deal of him, his ring and plus.. it is SO Tarantino to allude to something so ... radical without giving us the satifaction of a definitive.
6. Michael Parks. This guy BLEW my mind. For those who aren't familiar, in Vol 1, her plays the sherrif (Ok, but nothing to write home about) BUT in Vol 2, he plays Senor Esteban Viejo. Knowing that this is the same guy that played a Texan sherriff in Vol 1 makes his brilliant performance as estaban that much more amazing. That entire scene was just brilliant, and both Michael and Uma where firing on all pistons.
7. "You and I have unfinished business." Believe it or not, i didn't realize the first time around that Bea says this to every one on her death list (except Budd, for obvious reasons).
Anyway... i doubt anyone read that whole thing and i've just wasted another night of my life.. haha.. oh well. I just LOVE this movie and CAN'T WAIT for the SE DVD to come out where the movie is put BACK together and plays as one. I don't know exactly what they are going to change... originally, after we see Bill shoot Bea, it cut to her driving (the first thing we see in Vol 2) and arriving at Bills, then goes BACK to Chapter 1 (2). Also, the B&W portion of the "Showdown" is restored to color....
Discuss, tell me what you thought and add to anything I didn't say.
Where to start... wow. I (like Dave) view the Kill Bill saga as one film. And one of the best of all time. For those who don't know, it WAS actually one film until 2 months before release. Nobody wanted to cut anything out, but they also didn't know how the public would respond to an almost five hour long revenge epic with a quieter second half. So, Daryl Hannah suggested splitting it in two, seeing as how the narrative and general tone completely shifts at the half way point. So they did... anyway.. on to the movie.
Tarantino does SOOO many things right with this movie. Even when he is blatantly paying homage to those films that inspired him, he is completely in control and it is HIS style and print that we see, not simply a dublicate shot. To list the movies that this film references, in words or with shots, would take pages, however it comes of as completely its own film.
Some things I LOVE...
1. Beatrix Kiddo... not revealing "The Brides" name was not only extremely cool, but it established the charatcer as simply... "The Bride"... a pissed of chick who got screwed on her wedding day and is out for blood. Throughout the movie, prior to learning her name, there are several references to it... several characters call her "Kiddo" which we pay no attention to. Then there is the seemingly pointless but oh so cool exchange of "Silly Rabbit. Trix are..." "For Kids" ... TRIX.... KIDS... BEATRIX KIDDO!! ahhhh... which brings me to my second point...
3. Alluding to the truth. Tarantino gives his audience room to think. Whether it be the conents of Marcelus's briefcase in Pulp Fiction or whether Elle Driver is really dead, he loves to make his audience guess. Whereas other (lesser) directors beat you over the head with who is who and how everyone feels, Tarantino leaves it for us to discover... Point in fact... the relationships between Oren and Beatrix and Elle and Beatirx. Going back to the "trix" exchange before.. this seemingly pointless exchange tells us A LOT about these two characters. Remember, Bea and those that make up her Death List Five were once upon a time all in the same posse. It is obvious that Oren and Bea were friends. The "trix" exchange was probably something they used to say to one another and laugh. Evidence of their friendship can be seen in their battle. An elegant Samurai Sword fight... an art of fighting built on respect for your enemy. After Oren has been cut, the two stare at each other. We see the respect Oren has for Bea, she realizes she is going to die, and she commends Bea and apologizes for ridiculing her (and most likely, also for f!@king her over). There are tears in Bea's eyes as she accepts the apology and realizes that she HAS to settle the score, even though this person in front of her used to be her enemy. SUCH a beautiful scene. Take this and compare it to the Elle and Bea trailer home brawl. A Dirty, no hold bars, bite em, scratch em til their dead (or not?) fight. These two women HATED each other. Even when they were partners, you assume they never liked each other bc of the hate that is between them. Obviously, Elle is a scoundrel (a damn right cool one). She killed Pei-Mei, Killed Budd for a sword and lied to Bill about it and took credit for killing Bea. Bea, as stated before, is honorable. We KNOW they hate each other, just like we KNOW its the opposite with Oren. And NEVER is there a single line of dialouge that says "I love you" or "I hate you". Just great.
3. The funny moments. From Go-Go's silly school girl giggle, to Hatori hanzo's screwball antics in the shushi shop... you can't deny that this brutal revenge epic has its moments of pure humor. Oh, and "Revenge is a dish best served cold" - Old Klingon Proverb HAHAH
4. The emotional parts. From the films opening scene of the bloody brides "last" moments... to watching her wake from her coma to learn her baby is gone... to the first time we see Bea and Bill toghether (my favorite part of the whole thing!!!).... to the excruciating scene where Bea is buried alive... to the Bea seeing her daughter alive. This movie has moments that just sweep you away with raw emotion.
5. The Anime sequence. Nuff Said. BTW, who thinks that Bill is the guy that killed Oren's father? They seem to make a big deal of him, his ring and plus.. it is SO Tarantino to allude to something so ... radical without giving us the satifaction of a definitive.
6. Michael Parks. This guy BLEW my mind. For those who aren't familiar, in Vol 1, her plays the sherrif (Ok, but nothing to write home about) BUT in Vol 2, he plays Senor Esteban Viejo. Knowing that this is the same guy that played a Texan sherriff in Vol 1 makes his brilliant performance as estaban that much more amazing. That entire scene was just brilliant, and both Michael and Uma where firing on all pistons.
7. "You and I have unfinished business." Believe it or not, i didn't realize the first time around that Bea says this to every one on her death list (except Budd, for obvious reasons).
Anyway... i doubt anyone read that whole thing and i've just wasted another night of my life.. haha.. oh well. I just LOVE this movie and CAN'T WAIT for the SE DVD to come out where the movie is put BACK together and plays as one. I don't know exactly what they are going to change... originally, after we see Bill shoot Bea, it cut to her driving (the first thing we see in Vol 2) and arriving at Bills, then goes BACK to Chapter 1 (2). Also, the B&W portion of the "Showdown" is restored to color....
Discuss, tell me what you thought and add to anything I didn't say.
