buy / sell qualifications

[tylerd]

as 50 posts, imo, is a pretty lax requirement to allow someone to sell on the board, how about considering a post to time on the board ratio?

i've noticed some guys have been members for 3+ years but have only posted less than 100 times. then one day they put up several high end items that they want to sell for hundreds and sometimes over a thousand dollars. a lot can happen to someone over a 3 year period. imo, if you can't post on average at least a couple of posts a week as a member, you shouldn't be allowed to sell either. just trying to help make this board safer for selling and buying stuff.

[helmsdeep]

Mmmm, i'm from Belgium and my english is not that good. I come here a few times a day and read alot but don't write much. So according to you, i can not sell at the forum, sorry thats bull.......

Eaven a respected member can screw someone after 3000 postings.

[Cocoboloboy]

Nothing is going to guarantee that a buyer doesn't get taken advantage of. Not a post count, length of membership, post to length of membership ratio or anything like that.
The feedback forum that pix takes care of and a minimum post requirement is sufficient IMO
Common sense plays a more important role in being a safeguard than anything when it comes to suspicious sales.

[uscmhicks]

I think even with 10 posts or 10000 if someone is gonna try and rip someone of for a few thousand dollars they may wait a while and try to build up a bit of trust.

[tylerd]

so i gather you guys don't have a problem with a three year member that has 50 posts, and all of a sudden puts up thousands of bucks worth of stuff for sale? one or two people may know him but most probably don't.

couple of questions if your philosophy holds true..why even have a 50 post minimum? if someone can't post twice a week, how will anyone ever get to know them to trust sending a payment in advance? and after three years, if they have only 50 posts, how many transactions and how many people would have posted feedback? probably not many if any.

like i said, just TRYING to make the board a safer place for buying and selling.

bid away gents and good luck. :lol

[tylerd]

Mmmm, i'm from Belgium and my english is not that good. I come here a few times a day and read alot but don't write much. So according to you, i can not sell at the forum, sorry thats bull.......

Eaven a respected member can screw someone after 3000 postings.

so why bother with a feedback thread and a 50 post minimum if anyone can screw you at any time? how will you buy anything, anywhere, ever? if you're a member and you can't post twice a week, you're not trying. see, you already have one. one to go.

[uscmhicks]

I mean I could talk about terminator all night on a thread and get 300 posts but still rip someone off tomorrow , I just don't think there two related matters. :rolleyes:

[tylerd]

I think even with 10 posts or 10000 if someone is gonna try and rip someone of for a few thousand dollars they may wait a while and try to build up a bit of trust.

what prompted me was a pm from a brand new member on how he can get bowen stuff for way cheaper than anyone. then he replied in a thread followed by two more unknown new members giving their endorsement on how great and reliable he is. but the guy doesn't even have a website. he sells on ebay but can't anyone 'say' their ebay name is *****. how can you prove it's him?

i would never pay someone in this manner, especially with a credit card but there are many younger members (aren't you 13?) that may not think anything wrong. just looking out for the other guy, which is supposed to be a good thing. friends are important, but only if you can recognize one.

[tylerd]

Nothing is going to guarantee that a buyer doesn't get taken advantage of. Not a post count, length of membership, post to length of membership ratio or anything like that.
The feedback forum that pix takes care of and a minimum post requirement is sufficient IMO
Common sense plays a more important role in being a safeguard than anything when it comes to suspicious sales.

and how about new guys not as seasoned to know these things? they could use a friend before falling in a pit of crap. just trying to help others.

[uscmhicks]

lmao , 17.
I wish I was 13 again , those days were great ! :D

[tylerd]

lmao , 17.
I wish I was 13 again , those days were great ! :D

sorry, thought i read 13 somewhere. :lol

[FrankenFan]

I understand your concerns, tylerd, I've been a member here since May, 2004, so the majority of the current active membership are noobs* to me — including you. :lol

I agree with that other noob*, Cocoboloboy, no matter what the qualifications one must meet to trade in the Commerce section, there is no litmus test that can absolutely classify a person as honest or dishonest.

One of the most infamous scammers on this board was a kid named Melvin Pelayo. He had the avatar with the bouncing boobs, he had the sexy sig, he made the whacky posts, he showed the pics of his awesome collection; He did everything a member could do to get noticed and known and people loved the guy. He was even caught in a lie about a Tom Cruise custom samurai figure and still people bought from him. In the end, he took a lot of members' money and never delivered the goods.

I'm an honest guy and I've been thinking of selling my DC Direct collection, but I probably would not be considered trustworthy, because I'm not that well-known here and I've only racked-up 2000 posts in four years. And though I have been an eBay member since January, 2000, I've only had 8 transactions there, all as a buyer.

*Disclaimer: Please don't take offense by my usage of the word "noob." I'm just sayin' it's all relative. :D

[helmsdeep]

so why bother with a feedback thread and a 50 post minimum if anyone can screw you at any time? how will you buy anything, anywhere, ever? if you're a member and you can't post twice a week, you're not trying. see, you already have one. one to go.


No, a feedback thread is a good thing.And for more postings? If i don't know what to write, i write nothing:rotfl

p.s. thats two, i'm safe for this week:D

[tylerd]

I understand your concerns, tylerd, I've been a member here since May, 2004, so the majority of the current active membership are noobs* to me — including you. :lol

I agree with that other noob*, Cocoboloboy, no matter what the qualifications one must meet to trade in the Commerce section, there is no litmus test that can absolutely classify a person as honest or dishonest.

One of the most infamous scammers on this board was a kid named Melvin Pelayo. He had the avatar with the bouncing boobs, he had the sexy sig, he made the whacky posts, he showed the pics of his awesome collection; He did everything a member could do to get noticed and known and people loved the guy. He was even caught in a lie about a Tom Cruise custom samurai figure and still people bought from him. In the end, he took a lot of members' money and never delivered the goods.

I'm an honest guy and I've been thinking of selling my DC Direct collection, but I probably would not be considered trustworthy, because I'm not that well-known here and I've only racked-up 2000 posts in four years. And though I have been an eBay member since January, 2000, I've only had 8 transactions there, all as a buyer.

*Disclaimer: Please don't take offense by my usage of the word "noob." I'm just sayin' it's all relative. :D

none taken. i consider myself a noob to the collecting and ebay world. it's an ongoing process and i still have much to learn.

[tylerd]

No, a feedback thread is a good thing.And for more postings? If i don't know what to write, i write nothing:rotfl

p.s. thats two, i'm safe for this week:D

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[Blake]

I really think minimum posts are pretty useless. If I am a con-man, I'll post 50, twice a week, 10 times a week, etc. just to hit the minimum, then still rip people off. I just had one of the most positive experiences in my buying career off of someone who had minimal posts, but they were able to provide me with their eBay name and feedback. I paid for the item on Wednesday and received it by Saturday (thanks Furious1).

You ultimately decide whether to buy something or not...not any moderator on the board. If you do not take the necessary steps to gain a comfort level before your purchase, then the blame, at least partially, rests with you as well.

As with anything, there are exceptions, but I have not yet been ripped off.

[Cocoboloboy]

and how about new guys not as seasoned to know these things? they could use a friend before falling in a pit of crap. just trying to help others.

Maybe a sticky thread in the commerce section with a warning about buying from people with little to no positive feedback is the best way to help the young'uns. Ultimitely it's the buyers responsibility, whether 13 or 80 yrs old, to make sure their comfortable with buying from a particular seller. Again, the feedback section is an excellent tool for just that.

The 50 post count minimum just helps to deter scammers and people only interested in selling stuff who join a forum just to post in the commerce section. Granted it won't stop some of these people but at least it's a thorn in the side.:lol

[Cocoboloboy]

I agree with that other noob*, Cocoboloboy, no matter what the qualifications one must meet to trade in the Commerce section, there is no litmus test that can absolutely classify a person as honest or dishonest.
*Disclaimer: Please don't take offense by my usage of the word "noob." I'm just sayin' it's all relative. :D

I am HIGHLY offended just so you know.:lol At least I have a higher post count than you though.:monkey3:D:D

[FrankenFan]

I am HIGHLY offended just so you know.:lol At least I have a higher post count than you though.:monkey3:D:D
Frickin' noobs... :lol

[lcummins]

Frickin' noobs... :lol

Tell me about it! :D

[Wetanut]

It would seem that this 50 post restriction is being by-passed by some anyway. I've read more than one newbie post on the "introductions" thread with "I have stuff to sell, let me know if interested; i'll send you a pm" or some such. So it boils down to just plain common sense by the buyer.

[amarcord]

Isn't there a way that moderation can obtain (and control if it is accurate) your personal details when you want to sell someting?

But than again, selling and buying things here isn't the purpose of this forum, it is more like a privalage.

The collectorworld is smaller than you might think, so once a bad reputation will follow you.

It is all about trust.

[Darklord Dave]

The commerce section was added because people asked for it and so members could trade with fellow board members under the assumption that a transcation with another member would be safer than ebay.

I've always tried to distance the board from these transactions, although I've participated myself. I can see why other boards have done away with trade threads and/or made it a different tier of membership.

I guess I could require someone to register their contact information with the forum before they could solicit a sale - but that would imply some endorsement from the board and I'm not willing to take on the liability that such an endorsement would imply.

[carbo-fation]

It's fine the way it is. People just need to refer to the feedback thread, ebay ID, etc. before making any deals. If you're unsure of someone, then don't make a transaction. Simple as that! Of course, common sense goes a long way.

[cjf28]

what prompted me was a pm from a brand new member on how he can get bowen stuff for way cheaper than anyone. then he replied in a thread followed by two more unknown new members giving their endorsement on how great and reliable he is. but the guy doesn't even have a website. he sells on ebay but can't anyone 'say' their ebay name is *****. how can you prove it's him?

i would never pay someone in this manner, especially with a credit card but there are many younger members (aren't you 13?) that may not think anything wrong. just looking out for the other guy, which is supposed to be a good thing. friends are important, but only if you can recognize one.

There is no 100% garuntee on your purchase, on any forums. So, why attempt to purchase anything at all on a message board?

In the end, it doesnt matter if someone is new or a long time boardie, it could be either. So, its up to you to buy or not buy from the person.

[cjf28]

I understand your concerns, tylerd, I've been a member here since May, 2004, so the majority of the current active membership are noobs* to me — including you. :lol

I agree with that other noob*, Cocoboloboy, no matter what the qualifications one must meet to trade in the Commerce section, there is no litmus test that can absolutely classify a person as honest or dishonest.

One of the most infamous scammers on this board was a kid named Melvin Pelayo. He had the avatar with the bouncing boobs, he had the sexy sig, he made the whacky posts, he showed the pics of his awesome collection; He did everything a member could do to get noticed and known and people loved the guy. He was even caught in a lie about a Tom Cruise custom samurai figure and still people bought from him. In the end, he took a lot of members' money and never delivered the goods.

I'm an honest guy and I've been thinking of selling my DC Direct collection, but I probably would not be considered trustworthy, because I'm not that well-known here and I've only racked-up 2000 posts in four years. And though I have been an eBay member since January, 2000, I've only had 8 transactions there, all as a buyer.

*Disclaimer: Please don't take offense by my usage of the word "noob." I'm just sayin' it's all relative. :D

Melvin posted here too? Yeesh :rolleyes:

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

posts like this is exactly why a post minimum would not work to weed out the scammers (Im in no way saying you are). Alot of people dont have the time to slam down 3000 posts in a year. some are married with kids, or multiple jobs. some, like myself, just dont feel articulate enough to join in on conversations, instead choosing to just read and look at the pretty pictures

Maybe a sticky thread in the commerce section with a warning about buying from people with little to no positive feedback is the best way to help the young'uns. Ultimitely it's the buyers responsibility, whether 13 or 80 yrs old, to make sure their comfortable with buying from a particular seller. Again, the feedback section is an excellent tool for just that.

realistically though, if your 13 to 17, you shouldnt be making purchases on the internet anyways. go find the books in your dads sock drawer, like I did. :D

[uscmhicks]

realistically though, if your 13 to 17, you shouldnt be making purchases on the internet anyways. go find the books in your dads sock drawer, like I did. :D

I disagree really , I usually get my dad to sign any cheques I send out although the money comes from my pocket. For paypal I simply use his bank account and put my money in it. I have made alot of friends in the collecting world and have experienced my fair share of awesome's and +++++++s.
I think it has nothing to do with age.
In fact seeing as though I'm on post count 1,100 upward and your on 4 .....
http://msghelp.net/images/stfu_noob.jpg

:lol:lol:lol No I'm kidding !. I can understand why people should be worried your always taking a chance I guess , just check the feedback and hope for the best!.

[cjf28]

what I mean is, alot of places you sign up for state that you need to be 18 to post and trade. If your using your parents paypal, Im not sure thats allowed.

but by all means, if you can be responsible with purchasing online, then go for it

[uscmhicks]

Well basically if I want to buy something using my Dads bank account really means hes buying it ( after I get permission to take it out of course ) and I am paying for it. So if hes over 18 which obviously he is I don't see a problem.
If someone sells something on the board say , I am interested , then I contact them saying I will pay tomorrow. I say to my dad . " Hey I'm taking that cash out for a figure ". He says fine and then I send it over to the seller. In reality he has purchased it although it was my money. This is the simplest way anyhow.
There are a million other ways it could be done but I have no problems with this so it suits me.

Tay.

[uscmhicks]

It's fine the way it is. People just need to refer to the feedback thread, ebay ID, etc. before making any deals. If you're unsure of someone, then don't make a transaction. Simple as that! Of course, common sense goes a long way.

I completely agree man. :rock

[Bonehead15]

Well I've also been a member here for almost 4 years and only have 2,000 posts, some people DO have lives outside their computers so they can't post every day, but does that really mean anything? :confused: Just because you have 30,000 posts doesn't offically make you a trustworthy person. It justs means that you need to get out more. :monkey3

If someone is going to rip you off they'll go to any lengths to meet whatever requirements are put in place. Melvin is a perfect example.

The best way to protect yourself is to just be careful who you deal with. A little commonsense goes a lot of ways. If you don't feel safe dealing with someone then don't. If a deal sounds to good to be true than it usually is.

I understand where tylerd is comming from but I think that there really isn't too much you can do about it.

[Bannister]

Well I've also been a member here for almost 4 years and only have 2,000 posts, some people DO have lives outside their computers so they can't post every day, but does that really mean anything? :confused: Just because you have 30,000 posts doesn't offically make you a trustworthy person. It justs means that you need to get out more. :monkey3

The Josh is such a scam artist. He has finally reached the 30,000 post barrier so he can put his plan to screw the members of the board over into effect. I am on to you sir.:lol:lol:lol

[HAPPYBOY]

:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha

[Polylord]

The Josh is such a scam artist. He has finally reached the 30,000 post barrier so he can put his plan to screw the members of the board over into effect. I am on to you sir.:lol:lol:lol

Josh, The Eye is always watching....:ogat