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Karma
01-24-2008, 07:28 AM
That's the title for Bond 22

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=21853

plot details

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=21851

Shadow King
01-24-2008, 07:36 AM
Oooo the new Bond is getting closer. After the last one I am looking forward to this one.

Estel
01-24-2008, 07:40 AM
Some footage can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owwEwNIuxbo&eurl=http://commanderbond.net/article/4809

A press conference with cast and crew is scheduled in about two hours from now.

Reinhardt
01-24-2008, 07:44 AM
awesome. i can't wait to see this.

Darth Waller
01-24-2008, 09:16 AM
And I thought The Phantom Menace was a bad title. :monkey1

tomandshell
01-24-2008, 11:44 AM
The title is familiar to me from my days of reading the books and short stories, but they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to get an Ian Fleming connection this time. It's really not a good title for the movie, in my opinion.

Rogue Trooper
01-24-2008, 12:54 PM
I know it is based on a Flemming short but it does'nt quite roll off the tongue like a bond title should.

Blackhole
01-24-2008, 12:55 PM
I'm sure it will eventually...

Estel
01-24-2008, 01:12 PM
Official synopsis:

Sounds awesome!

QUANTUM OF SOLACE continues the high octane adventures of James Bond (DANIEL CRAIG) in CASINO ROYALE.

Betrayed by Vesper, the woman he loved, 007 fights the urge to make his latest mission personal. Pursuing his determination to uncover the truth, Bond and M (JUDI DENCH) interrogate Mr White (JESPER CHRISTENSEN) who reveals the organisation which blackmailed Vesper is far more complex and dangerous than anyone had imagined.

Forensic intelligence links an Mi6 traitor to a bank account in Haiti where a case of mistaken identity introduces Bond to the beautiful but feisty Camille (OLGA KURYLENKO), a woman who has her own vendetta. Camille leads Bond straight to Dominic Greene (MATHIEU AMALRIC), a ruthless business man and major force within the mysterious organisation.

On a mission that leads him to Austria, Italy and South America, Bond discovers that Greene, conspiring to take total control of one of the world�s most important natural resources, is forging a deal with the exiled General Medrano (JOAQUIN COSIO). Using his associates in the organisation, and manipulating his powerful contacts within the CIA and the British government, Greene promises to overthrow the existing regime in a Latin American country, giving the General control of the country in exchange for a seemingly barren piece of land.

In a minefield of treachery, murder and deceit, Bond allies with old friends in a battle to uncover the truth. As he gets closer to finding the man responsible for the betrayal of Vesper, 007 must keep one step ahead of the CIA, the terrorists and even M, to unravel Greene�s sinister plan and stop his organisation.

carbo-fation
01-24-2008, 01:38 PM
Sounds very interesting. I am sure it will be as good, if not better than the first one.

Darklord Dave
01-24-2008, 03:48 PM
it's a bad title - but I think Octo***** still takes the crown for bad Bond titles.

Agent0028
01-24-2008, 06:33 PM
Maybe there is some sort of connection between the short story and the movie. I can't remember what the short story is about, is it the one with the exotic fish? I need to re-read it.

tomandshell
01-24-2008, 06:40 PM
It was a pretty atypical short story, with Bond the guest at a dinner party where he is told the story of a couple he met at the dinner table. I doubt that anything but the title is being used for the movie.

Batty
01-24-2008, 06:41 PM
The title reminds me of a M*A*S*H episode where Radar asked Klinger for a modicum of potatoes. Is that the same as a quantum of solace?

I'm so glad a new Bond flick is on the way.

Darklord Dave
01-24-2008, 07:01 PM
Quantum

1. A quantity or amount.
2. A specified portion.
3. Something that can be counted or measured.

So he's in mourning and this mission will allow him some measure of solace in dealing with Vesper's death.

Still a crap title.:rolleyes:

Batty
01-24-2008, 07:06 PM
Yeah, I think a Modicum of Potatoes sounds better.

screamingmetal
01-24-2008, 08:31 PM
Horrible title but interesting premise. I'm looking forward to seeing this. Hopefully Sideshow will finally get a 1:6 Craig Bond released before the second movie hit's theaters.

Agent0028
01-24-2008, 08:49 PM
Oh yeah I vaguely remember that short story. It's the one where Bond pronounces if he ever married it would be to a flight attendant. Maybe the Bond girl will be one. :lol

Buttmunch
01-25-2008, 11:19 AM
Remeber when they changed "Licence Revoked" to "License to Kill" because they thought Americans were too stupid to understand the title. Sounds like they need to rethink this one.

When I think of Quantum, I think of a UPS notice.
When I think of Solace, I think of a doiley or something.
When I think of Quantum of Solace, I am expecting to see The Josh's new figure pics.

Agent0028
01-25-2008, 12:06 PM
When I think of Quantum, I think of a UPS notice.


:rotfl Me too.

Estel
01-25-2008, 12:23 PM
It's scary how many similarities there are between the release of this one and License to Kill.

-Second outing of a serious Bond actor. (Dalton/Craig)
-Revenge is one of the main plot points.
-Writer's strike. (1989 / 2007-???)
-License to Kill was released in the same year as Batman and The Last Crusade. Dark Knight and Indy 4 this year.

Buttmunch
01-25-2008, 03:11 PM
It's scary how many similarities there are between the release of this one and License to Kill.

-Second outing of a serious Bond actor. (Dalton/Craig)
-Revenge is one of the main plot points.
-Writer's strike. (1989 / 2007-???)
-License to Kill was released in the same year as Batman and The Last Crusade. Dark Knight and Indy 4 this year.

Wow, that kinda is freaky. But Jack Nicholson didn't die, so there goes one similarity. I bet they keep Craig on to at least finish the "trilogy."

pickard
01-26-2008, 05:37 AM
The title sucks, but there have been plenty of Bond movies with great titles that were dreadful.

After Casino Royale, nothing could keep me away from this flick. As long as it's good, they can call it whatever they want.

As for Craig, I hope they make 5 or 6 with him.

Darth Caedus
01-26-2008, 09:49 AM
Yea, the title kind of sucks, but the movie sounds like it should be good. When I think of "Quantum of Solace", I think of Solar Power; I don't know why, but I do. After that, I think of the solace from the man with the golden gun, so I hope it's different.

DarthNeil
01-26-2008, 07:32 PM
It's scary how many similarities there are between the release of this one and License to Kill.

-Second outing of a serious Bond actor. (Dalton/Craig)
-Revenge is one of the main plot points.
-Writer's strike. (1989 / 2007-???)
-License to Kill was released in the same year as Batman and The Last Crusade. Dark Knight and Indy 4 this year.

[insert TWILIGHT ZONE music here]:lol

I can't wait for the new Bond.
The title?... Blah... But Craig was right up there with Connery (of the 60's) and it was an easy transition from Brosnan (previously my second favourite Bond) to Craig. I hope that it builds on the success of Casino and that it also builds on an audience that seem to used to bang rather than some cerebral moments of, dare we wish for it, dialogue among the actors.

tomandshell
02-07-2008, 09:23 AM
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7784/qosposterno5.png

Buttmunch
02-07-2008, 09:34 AM
That is a cool teaser poster, but the lack of a title makes me think they are having second thoughts after we said how crappy it was.

Estel
02-07-2008, 10:31 AM
New behind-the-scenes video:

http://movies.aol.com/movie/quantum-of-solace/26922/video/behind-the-scenes-clip-no-1/2067725

Looks really good.

Jair
02-07-2008, 03:22 PM
Read somewhere that the new movie starts up about 5 minutes after Casino ended, which would make it the first direct sequal...pretty neat, there is a decent "info" spot over at moviefone about the movie:

http://movies.aol.com/movie-photo/bond-quantum-of-solace-poster

A few interesting tidbits and a picture of two of Eva Green, the more I look at her the more I think she may be one of the best looking Bond ever.


Evan

Batty
02-07-2008, 03:28 PM
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7784/qosposterno5.png

That reminds me of the Phantom Menace teaser poster.

Sick Boy 82
02-08-2008, 03:38 PM
I love that they are actually going to be making this a sequel. It's supposed to start up only 20 mins after Casiino Royale ended!!! The teaser poster is pretty dope. He has the same stance and gun from when the first one ended.

DarkArtist81
02-08-2008, 03:58 PM
I love that they are actually going to be making this a sequel. It's supposed to start up only 20 mins after Casiino Royale ended!!! The teaser poster is pretty dope. He has the same stance and gun from when the first one ended.

Yeah, that is the most awesome thing about it. I loved that last movie and that ending was classic. So it's very cool to see this be a continuation of that feeling. Sort of like Bond getting his emotions out of his system through violence. :lol

I'm really looking forward to it.

DarthNeil
02-08-2008, 08:42 PM
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7784/qosposterno5.png

I like the poster.
As far as the title, meh-- but I'll reserve judgement until I see the movie to put it into a context.

Agent0028
02-08-2008, 09:32 PM
I liked the poster when I first saw it, but looking at it the last few times I've visited the htread the pose seems a little strange--unnatural or something. The whole shadow with a gun on the pavement thing is a pretty cool idea. And I think its cool that it ties in with the end scene of Casino Royale.

Buttmunch
02-08-2008, 10:37 PM
I still think the lack of a title on the poster is odd. They KNOW the title, why not put it on? That makes me think they might retitle it. Quantom of Solace has to be THE worst Bond title ever. Us Americans had to look up all three of the words to know what the title means. At least the other Bond titles are a character name, object, place, or just straight forward. Quantum of Solace is just odd. It doesn't even flow right.

When I told people the title they asked, "you hurt your what?" :lol

Sick Boy 82
02-08-2008, 10:54 PM
When I told people the title they asked, "you hurt your what?" :lol

That has to be the best explanation of how confusing the title is! Nice bro.

DarthNeil
02-09-2008, 08:04 AM
I still think the lack of a title on the poster is odd. They KNOW the title, why not put it on? That makes me think they might retitle it. Quantom of Solace has to be THE worst Bond title ever. Us Americans had to look up all three of the words to know what the title means. At least the other Bond titles are a character name, object, place, or just straight forward. Quantum of Solace is just odd. It doesn't even flow right.

When I told people the title they asked, "you hurt your what?" :lol

For Bond the title is meaningless-- even in the media they'll refer to it as the latest BOND movie. Bond is the icon and Bond is what needs to be shown. Just look at The Dark Knight. No one was calling it by that name. It was the next BATMAN movie OR (up until the untimely passing of Heath Ledger) the Batman movie with the JOKER in it. These properties sell according to the iconic character. The title means little to the general public. Only the fanboys clamour for a title.

Agent0028
02-09-2008, 09:02 AM
I don't know much about teaser posters, but it seems to me like teaser posters for really big movie series like this don't really need a movie title.

DarthNeil
02-10-2008, 06:13 AM
Pictures posted on AICN...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35561

Nothing exciting--but hey...

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/QuantumPic1.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/QuantumPic2.jpg

Les Walker
02-11-2008, 11:33 AM
Another cool video:

Quantum of Solace short (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_1PwlzyLc&feature=user)

DarthNeil
02-13-2008, 08:26 AM
Rumours over at AICN about who has a cameo as the "big boss" in the new Bond film...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35606

Spoiler underneath....

Avoid now...



Al Pacino:D

Les Walker
02-14-2008, 08:39 PM
Curious....

Sachiel
02-14-2008, 08:43 PM
LOL, I think you have the cameo thing backwards. Places I went to say he has a small, but important cameo. But NOT what it is! :monkey5

Agent0028
02-27-2008, 08:34 PM
I just read this on MI:6 in regards to the translation of the meaning of the title. "The most literal translation of 'Quantum of Solace' could be assumed to mean 'Quality of Sorrow', but out of context this is quite inaccurate. It can most accurately be described, as Fleming might have dictated, 'the smallest unit of human compassion'.

I think knowing that adds an interesting dynamic to the title, but obviously its flying way over most people's heads.

Sachiel
02-27-2008, 09:34 PM
There's also another meaning which the movie will convey. So they say. Don't know what.

Darklord Dave
02-27-2008, 09:55 PM
Well if it was an '80s Moore Bond - "Solace is a new nerve gas and just the smallest amount, a quantum, is enough to kill you. And Christopher Walken is going to release a lot of quantums on New York (or Los Angeles)"

DarthNeil
03-29-2008, 05:22 PM
Footage from a behind the scenes YAHOO clip. (two of them)

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809961074/video/7063371

The Mike
03-29-2008, 05:35 PM
Goddamnit I can't wait for this movie. Just got Casino Royale on Blu-Ray and definitely like Craig the best as Bond. Even more then Brosnan, more than Moore, even more than Connery. Hope they do another twenty with Craig. :rock

DarthNeil
03-29-2008, 06:07 PM
Goddamnit I can't wait for this movie. Just got Casino Royale on Blu-Ray and definitely like Craig the best as Bond. Even more then Brosnan, more than Moore, even more than Connery. Hope they do another twenty with Craig. :rock

Looks like (from the YAHOO clips) he's enjoying playing the part as well so that bodes well for him being around for at least 5 of the movies if not more.

Killbeggar
03-29-2008, 06:44 PM
Frankly I couldn't care less what the title is as long as I get a James Bond film. :D But I think 'Quantum of Solace' is pretty cool.
But analytically I'm a 007 fanatic They could do a Bond/Teletubbies crossover and I'd love it to death.
November is my birthday month and a new James Bond movie is the best present anyone could get me.

kl241
04-04-2008, 04:06 PM
Here is a link to check out some new stills and hear what the plot is about. This movie should solidify Craig as the best Bond since Connery (better than Sean Connery, I won't go there)

http://www.usatoday.com/life/flash.htm?gid=459

The Mike
04-04-2008, 05:23 PM
I will. He is.

tomandshell
04-04-2008, 05:48 PM
I like that they are pulling the word "quantum" into the plot. That will help sell the title.

kl241
04-04-2008, 06:00 PM
Okay TheMike, you said it. But I might have to agree with you. I just don't want a bunch of hate mail coming my way. You had the balls to say it.

The Mike
04-04-2008, 06:27 PM
Bring the hatemail this way. I love Bond, Connery made the role, Moore was a little fem for my taste, Lazenby was a joke, Dalton was forgettable, Brosnan had a Moore vibe mixed with a bit of Connery charm but it wasn't until Craig that I found myself really liking the character for more than the women and gadgets. Craig plays the role as if it were written specifically for him and IS THE ONLY JAMES BOND imho. If SSC's Bond line wasn't able to make a Craig for whatever reason it deserved to be canceled.

tomandshell
04-04-2008, 06:32 PM
Connery in Diamonds Are Forever or You Only Live Twice is pretty much on par with Moore, as far as I'm concerned. If Craig keeps it up, he will own the role in a way that nobody has since Goldfinger.

Sachiel
04-04-2008, 09:15 PM
I've been a fan of Bond, I liked the movies. But it wasn't until Casino Royale that I became a FAN of Bond. :D

The Mike
04-04-2008, 10:48 PM
A-- mother ^^^^in-- men Sachiel. Amen.

plasmid303
04-04-2008, 11:22 PM
I've been a fan of Bond, I liked the movies. But it wasn't until Casino Royale that I became a FAN of Bond. :D

A lot of my female friends (and my mom...) share the same sentiment. They swoon over Craig. Geez.

SSC_Nerd
04-04-2008, 11:37 PM
There was always a part of me hoping that the group behing everything would be SPECTRE. Too bad. :(

Agent0028
04-05-2008, 08:10 AM
That would have been cool for it to have been SPECTRE. So long as it wasn't being run by Blofeld's one breasted daughter....

paulcarson
04-05-2008, 09:20 AM
Connery in Diamonds Are Forever or You Only Live Twice is pretty much on par with Moore, as far as I'm concerned. If Craig keeps it up, he will own the role in a way that nobody has since Goldfinger.


Agreed. Craig IS Bond . Nice to finally see some realism in the mix.

Agent0028
04-05-2008, 12:59 PM
I miss Q. Hells bells I named my cat Q. :lol Bring back our gadget man...and Moneypenny.

Sachiel
04-05-2008, 05:44 PM
Well they did say SPECTRE won't be in these movies. Sure they still could have surprised us.

I can't wait for this movie.

DarkArtist81
04-05-2008, 06:14 PM
I agree as well, I have been a Bond fanboy for a long time. And I was always one of those Connery junkies that swore up and down that no one would ever be able to top his performance in the role. Craig proved me wrong.

He is without a doubt, the best Bond ever. He doesn't downplay it or cheapen it with cheesy lines. He owns the role, as soon as the film began I believed in him. He pulled it off, as if he had lived that character all his life.

I'm really excited to see if he can continue that passion and give us many many more awesome Bond films in the future. :rock

Sachiel
04-05-2008, 08:30 PM
Just got done watching CR on Showtime in glorious HD.

Ah. Eva Green.:love

:drool

Kick ass opening song, too. :rock

I wish Andy would sculpt Vesper and Le Chiffre heads.

You hear me Andy? :joy

Agent0028
04-05-2008, 08:52 PM
It is an awesome song.

plasmid303
04-05-2008, 09:23 PM
Le Chiffre was the only problem I had with Casino Royale. He wasn't much of a villain and more of a whipping boy for the bigger baddies.

tomandshell
04-05-2008, 10:23 PM
That would have been cool for it to have been SPECTRE. So long as it wasn't being run by Blofeld's one breasted daughter....

Wasn't there a monorail involved, as well? It's been a while since I read that book.

DarthNeil
04-06-2008, 04:40 AM
Wasn't there a monorail involved, as well? It's been a while since I read that book.

Monorail?...

http://simpsons.ugo.com/images/best-episodes/marge-versus-the-monorail.jpg

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/hillary-clinton-vs-the-monorail/7043250/

Agent0028
04-06-2008, 08:08 AM
Wasn't there a monorail involved, as well? It's been a while since I read that book.

Maybe, the house being an exact replica of Tara from Gone With the Wind is the other part that stands out in my mind. Been awhile since I read it too.

tomandshell
04-07-2008, 01:08 PM
Craig seems like the most physical actor to play Bond so far. I can't imagine even Connery doing some of the stuff Craig did in the Madagascar sequence in Casino Royale. He even looks good and tough running--if I was a bad guy, I wouldn't want to look up from my henchman work and see this coming at me:


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5753/hrquantumofsolace36kl1.jpg

DarkArtist81
04-07-2008, 03:07 PM
:lol You got that right. It reminds me of The Venture Brothers. That sequence where you saw through the eyes of one of The Monarch's henchmen as Brock chased him down and broke his neck. :lol

I'm sure it's close to the same kind of experience.

DarthNeil
04-12-2008, 06:42 AM
Some pics from the site If It's Movies

http://www.ifitsmovies.com/2008/04/10/spy-pics-from-the-new-james-bond-set/

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2183/2404645554_fc16c19f8f_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2135/2404645528_9794415150_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2404660234_d99707737b_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2105/2403818405_773d26408b_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2245/2404645442_1afe115631_o.jpg

customfig
04-12-2008, 06:45 AM
I think that Craig is problably the best BOND so far after Brosnan.

carbo-fation
04-12-2008, 07:13 AM
:lol Nice sneakers!

JGouse0498
04-12-2008, 04:52 PM
:lol Nice sneakers!

LOL

Seriously though, I like that he's wearing sneakers there. Too many times, Bond is doing all of this acrobatic crap wearing freakin' tuxedos. It was especially bad during the Brosnan era. No way someone's running long distances in formal wear. This looks and feels more practical and realistic.

hydrobud
04-20-2008, 11:24 AM
not sure if this has been posted anywhere .page with youtube trailers (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Quantum+of+Solace+Tease&search_type=)

Buttmunch
04-20-2008, 03:56 PM
Those look like fan made fakes.

Giant Chicken
04-20-2008, 06:49 PM
BUMMER... Glad the guy is okay. Hopefully won't cause any delays in filming.



James Bond Film Car Plunges Into Lake
April 19, 2008, 8:32 PM EST
ROME (AP) -- The car being used in the latest James Bond film plunged into a lake in northern Italy while being driven to the set.

Producers say the driver of the Aston Martin was taken to a hospital with minor injuries. They say James Bond's iconic car was being delivered to the filming unit in heavy rain on Saturday morning when it went off the road and plunged into Lake Garda.

Italian state TV has shown footage of the smashed, black car being hoisted out of the water.

"Quantum of Solace" is the newest film in the 007 series. It stars Daniel Craig and is due for release later this year.

RJMacReady16
04-20-2008, 07:04 PM
LOL

Seriously though, I like that he's wearing sneakers there. Too many times, Bond is doing all of this acrobatic crap wearing freakin' tuxedos. It was especially bad during the Brosnan era. No way someone's running long distances in formal wear. This looks and feels more practical and realistic.

Odds are that's merely for comfort and you won't be seeing his feet in certain shots of that sequence.

hydrobud
04-20-2008, 07:05 PM
Those look like fan made fakes.


i don't think they all are

Sick Boy 82
05-21-2008, 05:20 PM
Sweet new video diaries!!!! So kick ass, can't wait for this to come out!!!

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/quantum_of_solace/news/1729588/

Sick Boy 82
06-10-2008, 06:38 PM
New featurette with Olga Kurylenko! So ^^^^ing hot!! Watch Hit Man just to see her!! Can't wait for QoS!!!!

Quantum of Solace Bond Girl Featurette: Olga Kurylenko (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/06/10/quantum-of-solace-bond-girl-featurette-olga-kurylenko/)

Sick Boy 82
06-11-2008, 05:10 PM
YES!!! Another sweet featurette with the DP Roberto Schaefer!!! Well, here you go:

Quantum of Solace Featurette: Director of Photography Roberto Schaefer (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/06/11/quantum-of-solace-featurette-director-of-photography-roberto-schaefer/)

Sick Boy 82
06-13-2008, 01:59 PM
Yes, another new featurette for QoS!!! This time with Exec. Producer Callum McDougall. Enjoy!!

Quantum of Solace Featurette: Executive Producer Callum McDougall (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/06/12/quantum-of-solace-featurette-executive-producer-callum-mcdougall/)

Sachiel
06-18-2008, 08:01 PM
New images.

http://enewsi.com/news.php?catid=190&itemid=13461

MooMooEgg
06-19-2008, 07:15 AM
Odds are that's merely for comfort and you won't be seeing his feet in certain shots of that sequence.

Maybe they'll be playing it up like the David Tennent Doctor Who... sneakers with suits for all future Bond Films. lol:rotfl

Sick Boy 82
06-26-2008, 05:12 PM
Sweet new teaser promo!!!!! God I can't wait!!!

Short Quantum of Solace Teaser Trailer Promo! (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/06/26/short-quantum-of-solace-teaser-trailer-promo/)

scubasteve
06-26-2008, 05:49 PM
Sweet new teaser promo!!!!! God I can't wait!!!

Short Quantum of Solace Teaser Trailer Promo! (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/06/26/short-quantum-of-solace-teaser-trailer-promo/)

Second most anticipated movie for me for '08. :chew

Karma
06-30-2008, 06:00 AM
teaser trailer

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/30/quantum-of-solace-teaser-trailer/

DarkArtist81
06-30-2008, 07:00 AM
teaser trailer

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/30/quantum-of-solace-teaser-trailer/

:rock:rock:rock

NICE! Can't wait for this film. Bond is finally exciting and compelling again. I'm hooked.

Batty
06-30-2008, 08:56 AM
:rock:rock:rock

NICE! Can't wait for this film. Bond is finally exciting and compelling again. I'm hooked.

I totally agree. The trailer looks great.

dunedain
06-30-2008, 09:01 AM
This is going to be one bad-ass Bond movie!:007

KeninMI
06-30-2008, 10:54 AM
Awesome...totally geeked to see this.

Now when is the Craig Bond figure coming out?! Hello, Sideshow!

JGouse0498
06-30-2008, 11:04 AM
Is it too soon to declare this movie as EVEN BETTER than Casino Royale??!?!?!?!

That was one kick-ass trailer!!! Although I do get weary of the whole "Bond goes rogue" angle.

Buttmunch
06-30-2008, 11:28 AM
Is it too soon to declare this movie as EVEN BETTER than Casino Royale??!?!?!?!

That was one kick-ass trailer!!! Although I do get weary of the whole "Bond goes rogue" angle.

It only seems to happen every other film :lol

But this does look good. I'd say it has a very Dark Knight feel to it (ie Bond/Batman is pissed and will do whatever it takes to get the job done, Bond of course killing and Batman not).

Kuzeh
06-30-2008, 11:37 AM
Trailer looks great!!
Even though at different stages of my life I've enjoyed Bond's movies, a lot of them, specially with Brosnan, were pretty annoying.
Casino Royale was awesome IMO, and this one looks much bettter!!

JGouse0498
06-30-2008, 11:40 AM
Trailer looks great!!
Even though at different stages of my life I've enjoyed Bond's movies, a lot of them, specially with Brosnan, were pretty annoying.
Casino Royale was awesome IMO, and this one looks much bettter!!

GoldenEye was a terrific Bond film, but then the scripts got more outrageous with the set pieces, one-liners, and science fiction technology. Look at Die Another Day...exo-suit controls for a space laser, 100% ice palace, invisible cars, DNA REPLACEMENT!!!

James Bond had turned into a really bad Sci-Fi Channel made-for-TV movie!!

But Casino Royale really brought this series back to life in a way I don't think many viewers expected. And Quantum of Solace seems to be furthering that revival.

Brent72
06-30-2008, 11:57 AM
Second most anticipated movie for me for '08. :chew

Me too. This is right on the heels of The Dark Knight for the movie I most want to see this year. That trailer was AWESOME!!! :cool:

plasmid303
06-30-2008, 12:00 PM
That trailer rocked! Can't wait for November! Maybe then we'll get a Craig Bond figure! But probably not! Who knows! EXCLAMATION POINT!

tomandshell
06-30-2008, 02:48 PM
1.85:1 aspect ratio? Say it ain't so!

Darth Waller
06-30-2008, 02:49 PM
1.85:1 aspect ratio? Say it ain't so!

Yay, no black bars on my widescreen TV.




KIDDING! :D

JGouse0498
06-30-2008, 04:18 PM
1.85:1 aspect ratio? Say it ain't so!

I've seen trailers that are cropped to 1.85:1 even though the actual film is in 2.35:1, so I wouldn't worry yet.

Brent72
06-30-2008, 05:56 PM
I've seen trailers that are cropped to 1.85:1 even though the actual film is in 2.35:1, so I wouldn't worry yet.

Yeah, that's actually a pretty common practice. No chance this movie will be 1.85:1 on the DVD/Blu-Ray so I wouldn't worry about that a bit. :cool:

Agent0028
06-30-2008, 06:00 PM
It looks incredibly awesome. Although I have to admit the whole going rogue thing takes away some of my excitement, it's just been done so much already.

Darth Caedus
06-30-2008, 07:04 PM
:rock:rock:rock

NICE! Can't wait for this film. Bond is finally exciting and compelling again. I'm hooked.

HELL YEA !!!!! :rock:rock:rock:rock:rock

Looks just like the first one, can't wait for it

The Mike
06-30-2008, 11:26 PM
My God, this so far is living up to the hype created after Casino Royale. I love that it picks up right after and Craig by far is THE BEST BOND EVER! I can't wait. I have Andy's Craig sculpt on my desk waiting to be sent off to either Les or Josh. I love this franchise!!!

Giant Chicken
06-30-2008, 11:55 PM
Going to be great...

tomandshell
06-30-2008, 11:55 PM
I've seen trailers that are cropped to 1.85:1 even though the actual film is in 2.35:1, so I wouldn't worry yet.

I hope so--If I remember correctly, we've only had two Bond films (after Goldfinger) that weren't 2.35:1, and they were back in the early 70's when Roger Moore took over the part. No need to drop more than thirty years of tradition and lose the more cinematic aspect ratio I've gotten used to seeing when it comes time for a new Bond film. (At any rate, how much of a freak am I that I come away from the awesome trailer worried about the aspect ratio?)

DinoLast
07-01-2008, 01:45 AM
Bond going rogue? Didn't that happen already in licence to kill?

CelticPredator
07-01-2008, 02:05 AM
No, because License to Kill doesnt exist in this Bond series.

JGouse0498
07-01-2008, 04:23 AM
Yeah, think of Casino Royale as a reboot that took the character back to the beginning in a new cinematic Bond universe. So the events of License to Kill never occurred--especially since the reason Bond went rogue then was to avenge his long-time friend Felix Leiter being fed to sharks. In this universe, Bond and Leiter have only just met.

But for the audience, the rogue theme was the crux of License to Kill. To a lesser extent, the "rogue" element was also factored into parts of Die Another Day and Casino Royale. Of the two, DAD had it more because Bond escaped confinement because MI6 thought he'd been compromised and spilled his guts about government secrets.

Darth Waller
07-01-2008, 05:28 AM
I don't know how accurate IMDB is, but they list it at 2.35:1.

Agent0028
07-01-2008, 05:42 PM
Having thought about it, I can see how him going rogue does kinda make sense with this version of Bond given that he disregards authority as evidenced by breaking in to M's apartment and hacking in to her computer. On the other hand it seems ridiculous to me that he can't even properly tail someone without being caught but is now going to go off on his own.

Darth Caedus
07-01-2008, 09:42 PM
No, because License to Kill doesnt exist in this Bond series.

You know, people may bag on Dalton, but his Bond Movies were action packed awesomeness

piccolodaimaoh
07-01-2008, 09:51 PM
You know, people may bag on Dalton, but his Bond Movies were action packed awesomeness

:lecture :lecture :lecture

You hit the nail right on the head. Dalton might not have done many Bond films but his portrayal was very true to the literary Bond. Loved the opening sequence to The Living Daylights.

tomandshell
07-01-2008, 09:54 PM
No, because License to Kill doesnt exist in this Bond series.

I'll take License to Kill over Diamonds Are Forever or Die Another Day any time.

DarkArtist81
07-02-2008, 06:45 AM
I'll take License to Kill over Diamonds Are Forever or Die Another Day any time.

Ditto. The Dalton Bond films have grown on me over the years... They really are pretty damn good.

Agent0028
07-02-2008, 04:14 PM
I think the Dalton Bonds are among the best realistic ones.

DarthNeil
07-04-2008, 01:17 PM
Don't know if this has been posted yet but the HD trailer has been posted at YAHOO...

http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/feature/hdtrailers.html

Looks great!!:007

Darklord Dave
07-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Just saw the trailer on Hancock. This isn't Bond! Where are the moon rovers, the clever quips, the madmen bent on world domination? No invisible cars, no sliding down a mountain on a cello - I'm very disappointed.



It's too bad that one of the greatest film franchises ever is having to resort to great characters, cool action and actual story. It's a sad day for Bond afficionados. :monkey2



:joy:angelsmil

JGouse0498
07-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Just saw the trailer on Hancock. This isn't Bond! Where are the moon rovers, the clever quips, the madmen bent on world domination? No invisible cars, no sliding down a mountain on a cello - I'm very disappointed.



It's too bad that one of the greatest film franchises ever is having to resort to great characters, cool action and actual story. It's a sad day for Bond afficionados. :monkey2



:joy:angelsmil

That's gonna go down in Sideshow Freaks history books as one of the best sarcastic comments on this board... :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

UTtoyfan
07-05-2008, 04:28 PM
I'm late to the Bond madness, but I just watched the teaser. AMAZING! And the fact that they are continuing the story of the first movie, I don't think any other Bond film has done that yet. Can't wait for November!

Agent0028
07-05-2008, 04:30 PM
I think the closest it comes is the prologue to DAF when Bond is searching for Blofeld for revenge after Tracy's death.

UTtoyfan
07-05-2008, 04:38 PM
I think the closest it comes is the prologue to DAF when Bond is searching for Blofeld for revenge after Tracy's death.

Oh yeah good call! I felt sorry for the Lazenby Bond cause that was his only movie and it ends like that for him. Kinda sucks.:monkey2

DarkArtist81
07-05-2008, 05:44 PM
Oh yeah good call! I felt sorry for the Lazenby Bond cause that was his only movie and it ends like that for him. Kinda sucks.:monkey2

Same here... he wasn't really a bad Bond. But he only got that one movie and didn't even get to do the follow up.... really sucks for him.

Agent0028
07-05-2008, 07:22 PM
It's probably just as well, I don't think Lazenby could have pulled off DAF. It just occured to me, all three of the big Bonds (Connery, Moore, Brosnan) hung up the tuxedo on a very silly poorly received movie.

tomandshell
07-29-2008, 04:26 PM
The opening title theme from Quantum of Solace will be--in a first for the series--a duet featuring Alicia Keys and White Stripes' Jack White called "Another Way to Die."

Interesting...

Agent0028
07-29-2008, 04:40 PM
Hmm, that is interesting. I can't wait to hear it. Gotta say I think You Know My Name is my favorite Bond theme so I hope this one is good too.

DarthNeil
07-29-2008, 05:44 PM
The opening title theme from Quantum of Solace will be--in a first for the series--a duet featuring Alicia Keys and White Stripes' Jack White called "Another Way to Die."

Interesting...

Glad to hear they got rid of the druggie non-rehab Winehouse (sp?). Can't stand her (or her music).

RJMacReady16
08-02-2008, 10:31 PM
Same here... he wasn't really a bad Bond. But he only got that one movie and didn't even get to do the follow up.... really sucks for him.

I just did a spit-take when I read that and I wasn't drinking anything....needless to say that hurt a little....

Lazenby?

Not bad????

:google

DarthNeil
08-04-2008, 04:12 AM
Tons of pics here... (24 to be exact)

http://www.film.com/photos/quantum-of-solace/21896685?start=0

tomandshell
08-21-2008, 02:53 PM
This is the latest film to be pushed back by the studios--they bumped the US release date a week to November 14th. Now that Potter is out of the way, they are preparing to dominate the Thanksgiving season.

DarthNeil
11-14-2008, 08:08 PM
Just got back from seeing this.
A great addition to the Bond movies and a really nice story arc that was continued from Royale-- any other Freaks catch this?

Loved the homage to Goldfinger with Fields found on the bed in oil.

Jen
11-14-2008, 08:10 PM
I'm going to go see this tomorrow. Can't wait!! :rock :rock

Sachiel
11-14-2008, 08:35 PM
Just got back from seeing this.
A great addition to the Bond movies and a really nice story arc that was continued from Royale-- any other Freaks catch this?

Loved the homage to Goldfinger with Fields found on the bed in oil.

I rip on the editing here.
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41095

I felt it could have been a lot better.

Previous draft had Bond going after Vesper's boyfriend. Here it gets lost in all the other stuff.

I probably wouldn't be as disappointed if it wasn't a true sequel to CR.

I just didn't get the quantum of solace I was hoping to.

;)

CelticPredator
11-14-2008, 08:37 PM
But theres always next time!

CelticPredator
11-14-2008, 08:39 PM
I think the closest it comes is the prologue to DAF when Bond is searching for Blofeld for revenge after Tracy's death.

No. He was serching for Blofeld because it was set AFTER YOLT. Eon wanted to ditch OHMSS as best as they could....

Sachiel
11-14-2008, 09:11 PM
But theres always next time!

Yeah, but this was a continuation of Casino Royale. I felt there were wasted opportunities in the story.

Mathis was wasted in more ways than one and that whole scene made me go "wtf?". Also White was supposed to get it at the end (but I think the last shot was great). They supposedly filmed it, but didn't use it because it would make the producers feel they have to make a trilogy. Even though leaving him alive makes people want to know what's up.

The movie isn't non-stop action (thank God). It has it's "rest" periods, but I felt there should have been more (in scenes and information). It jumps too fast inbetween locations and even when walking across a street. :lol

Hell, even some of the action scenes could have been longer and probably would have if they weren't chopped up and made to look like they're in a blender. Some great stuff was wasted in that regard, too.

I was never hardcore about Bond. I enjoyed the movies and if they were on I'd watch them. Especially during Thanksgiving. Goldeneye was my favorite, which I found out also happens to be done by the CR director.
Die Another Day was the only one I seen in theaters before QoS. I wanted to see CR in theaters, but never got around to it.

I love Casino Royale and was very much looking forward to QoS and whatever comes after. Now, I see it could go anywhere. Maybe I'll like it better during a second viewing, but I didn't get the feeling of excitement of wanting to watch it again like with Casino Royale (which I watched again the next day) more like one of "will it be better?". The opening credits and ending credits didn't give me a feeling of excitment, either.

This movie is going to seperate Bond fans even more.

CelticPredator
11-14-2008, 09:14 PM
Blofeld. It must be done. I'm working on a little fan film...(because I'm too lazy to come up with something new!!), and im going to put my own version of Mr. Blofeld. Scared, smart, and ruthless.

No kitty though....

Dr.Mirakle32
11-14-2008, 09:17 PM
Just got back. Definitely better than Casino Royale, and Craig really won me over this time.

Natrix
11-14-2008, 09:24 PM
I preferred Casino Royale, not that Quantum is a bad movie.

I didn't care for the quicker cuts than even the Bourne movies during most of the action scenes. It just seemed like they really made the action more confusing and harder to follow than it needed to be.

Dr.Mirakle32
11-14-2008, 09:35 PM
I really only liked Casino Royale after the second time I saw it and took it into consideration. My initial reaction was borderline dissapointment. With QoS, the first hour had its WTF moments, but it quickly shaped up into a classy, modern, action-packed, almost "European"/"art house" thriller; basically a Fleming Bond story for the present. I left the theater pumped, wanting to see what Eon will do next.

I watched CR before seeing QoS, and IMHO alot of the dialogue in the former really tried to hard. The "witty" banter between M and Bond and Vesper and Bond really got old.

A major improvement in QoS was I actually LIKED the Bond-Girls. How could Bond fall for Vesper? I hated her character on the film, and thought about how Connery's, or even Moore's Bond wouldn't put up with her uppity attitude, backtalk, and ultimate betrayal.

If Connery was Bond during the train scene, he would slap her in the mouth and laugh.

The Mike
11-15-2008, 12:28 AM
Got back from Quantum and loved it. I really liked how they tied up a lot of the loose ends and questions from Casino Royale and loved how it was set up for a continuation of the series. Amazingly fast paced and it really continued to cement Craig as Bond for me. I'm already dying for the next installment.

SOLIDSNAKE
11-15-2008, 12:38 AM
watched it tonite.
great movie but I think Casino Royal was a better.
Daniel still a great james bond.
8/10 for me.

kl241
11-15-2008, 01:14 AM
Saw it twice, dare I say that Craig could be better than Connery? And before you start throwing hate mail my way, pop in "Never Say Never Again" before you answer this post. I don't think we will ever see Craig pull a stunt like that.

JediMike71
11-15-2008, 02:08 AM
Craig better than Connery? No...I don't think so. "Never Say Never Again" was an "unauthorized" James Bond movie. It was produced by Talia Shire's (Adrian from the Rocky movies) production company called Taliafilm. It came out the same year, 1983, that the real James Bond movie, "Octopussy", starring Roger Moore. Somehow they lured Sean Connery back (big paycheck) to play Bond one last time. You'll notice in the movie that none of the regular cast is there playing "Q", "M", or Miss Moneypenny. That's because it wasn't the "official" Bond movie that year.

Never Say Never Again was basically a remake of Connery's earlier official Bond movie, "Thunderball". Same storyline, same bad guy, just updated for the 1980s. It was also one of Kim Basinger's first movies. It was good to see Connery, my favorite actor to play Bond back as James Bond. Even though it wasn't a "real" James Bond movie.

You can't compare Never Say Never Again (Connery's worst Bond movie) to Quantum Of Solace! How about popping in his best one, in my opinion, Goldfinger. Now that one is a classic. :D

I'm a HUGE James Bond fan. Daniel Craig is now the best actor to play him since Sean Connery, but he's not better than Connery. Sean Connery will ALWAYS be the best in my book.

DarkArtist81
11-15-2008, 02:08 AM
I saw it tonight and absolutely loved it. I still like CR a bit better, but this was right there with it in my mind. I like that Bond at the beginning was so full of rage that he made mistakes for a while there. Craig really is a great Bond, I LOVE how he plays it. This movie had me from opening scene until the end.

I hope we get like 8 Bond flicks out of Daniel Craig, I cannot wait to see what they do next. :rock

JediMike71
11-15-2008, 02:23 AM
I agree Josh that Daniel Craig is incredible. It is great to see him make some mistakes in the beginning. It does show he is human, and not some invincible superhero. Craig is showing his vulnerabilities and short-comings and bringing some complexity to the character. Yeah, I'd like to see him stick around and play Bond for a long time. :D

But I still have a place in my heart for Sean Connery's James Bond.

Cap'n Cook
11-15-2008, 04:12 AM
A major improvement in QoS was I actually LIKED the Bond-Girls. How could Bond fall for Vesper? I hated her character on the film, and thought about how Connery's, or even Moore's Bond wouldn't put up with her uppity attitude, backtalk, and ultimate betrayal.

If Connery was Bond during the train scene, he would slap her in the mouth and laugh.

It's not really worth comparing the above. This Bond is a completely different kettle of fish, so saying that the other Bonds wouldn't act the same way in a situation is a strange negative feeling to hold. Sorry if that sounds @rsey, it's not meant to. :D

Then again, I don't really care for Bond films, but love CR. Saw QOS last Sunday, and was not impressed. As many have said the Bourne like 'have to cut every second' action shots were loathsome and incredibly hard to follow. Saying that, our tiny cinema was filled with idiots munching and rustling and walking in and out every two seconds and talking, so I can honestly say I have NO idea what the plot was. I will reserve full judgement until I can watch it on Blu-ray.

CR is a significantly better film to me.

DarkArtist81
11-15-2008, 09:41 AM
I've been a Bond fan for years, and this movie actually felt more like a true to nature Bond film than CR did. Usually Bond movies aren't that calm, CR was really one of the only ones that could be. Seeing as though it didn't have a lot of traveling and there was no "chasing after clues" kind of plot.

Normally in the Bond formula, Bond globe-trots in hopes of linking the villain to dastardly deeds or chasing him. So this movie fit right back into that.

There is no way it could have been a slower character piece. Not with what had to be accomplished in this film. I think they did a decent job of still remaining interesting and building character (as well as character relationships)....while still being true to the Bond formula.

And I LOVE the continuing storyline. It felt like the good old days with Bond chasing after SPECTRE. :rock

CelticPredator
11-15-2008, 09:44 AM
BLOFELD!!!

http://ultimatejamesbond.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/blofeld1.jpg

kl241
11-15-2008, 10:42 AM
I understand about Never, and I love Goldfinger. It was a different time baqk then. But I just thing Craig captures more of what Ian Flemming intended with the character. Connery is the man, but I don't think we will ever see Craig singing "Underneath the Mango Tree".

CelticPredator
11-15-2008, 10:43 AM
Unless he goes to Jamaica. Because thats all they sing there. There are no other songs.

scubasteve
11-15-2008, 10:53 AM
Saw it. Great film. Cinematography got annoying at times, but I warmed up to it about mid-way through.

hairlesswookiee
11-15-2008, 12:25 PM
loved this move 1000000%. it came out guns blazing and grabbed you by the balls and said "we're on this journey together so lets go." the opening song kind of sucked, but whatever.

CelticPredator
11-15-2008, 01:21 PM
Another Way to Die is the worst Bond theme ever produced. DAD sucks, but its somewhat intresting.

plasmid303
11-15-2008, 01:32 PM
That parachute scene midway through the movie shattered everything I thought I new about the laws of gravity and momentum. This movie could've been called "Quantum of Science, or lack thereof".

Celtic, I agree about the Bond theme, but I did somewhat enjoy the cg opening sequence/montage, with the return of excess female bodies.

scubasteve
11-15-2008, 02:09 PM
More like Quantum of Shakycam

No, but really, it was a great film. Could have done without the awkward rape scene, though. Didn't feel like it belonged in a Bond film.

Kabukiman
11-15-2008, 02:14 PM
Could have done without the awkward rape scene, though. Didn't feel like it belonged in a Bond film.

Totally agreed. There could've been other ways to imply it rather than just putting it onscreen. That was totally out of place and wholly inappropriate for a PG-13 film, imo. (I have the same feelings about the torture scene in CR)

CelticPredator
11-15-2008, 02:29 PM
The torture scene was the one of the best scenes!

So funny.

hairlesswookiee
11-15-2008, 02:40 PM
The torture scene was the one of the best scenes!

So funny.

hell yeah...he had some big balls to handle that kind of treatment. i almost threw up when i saw that part. i seriously felt his pain.

JediMike71
11-15-2008, 04:30 PM
I understand about Never, and I love Goldfinger. It was a different time baqk then. But I just thing Craig captures more of what Ian Flemming intended with the character. Connery is the man, but I don't think we will ever see Craig singing "Underneath the Mango Tree".

Yes, I agree the time periods between Connery and Craig are VERY different. But, that was the ONLY time Connery as Bond ever sang. Plus it was in the first movie, Dr. No. I think he was having fun with Ursula Andress. After that he never sang again.

I thought the torture scene in Casino Royale was great. Again, showing that Bond could be hurt...and endure.

The agent covered in oil in QOS reminded me so much of the girl painted gold in Goldfinger. A nice "nod" to Goldfinger there, whether they intended it or not. I didn't think that showing her that way was too strong for a PG-13 rating. I've seen much worse than that in other PG-13 movies before QOS.

Kabukiman
11-15-2008, 04:49 PM
I didn't think that showing her that way was too strong for a PG-13 rating. I've seen much worse than that in other PG-13 movies before QOS.

I'm not sure if this was a response to my PG-13 comment or not. If It is, I want to clarify that my comment was referring to the rape scene near the end of the movie, not the girl covered in oil.

JediMike71
11-15-2008, 05:16 PM
Okay. As far as I saw it, that girl nearly was...but wasn't.

DinoLast
11-15-2008, 06:14 PM
I have just seen the movie
1, worst Bond theme song ever
2, The action scenes were filmed to close up and just looked a mess
3, The film just kinda sucked in general

JediMike71
11-15-2008, 06:25 PM
Wow, did we see the same Bond movie? :confused:
The theme song wasn't the best, but okay. The action scenes were great to me. Sucked in general? Not to me.

Endless Wake
11-15-2008, 06:36 PM
2, The action scenes were filmed too close up and just looked a messI was thinking the same thing.

Sachiel
11-15-2008, 09:06 PM
The torture was in the novel, and...

the girl doesn't get raped, Camille interrupts. But that crotch-shot was very odd.

Yes, the action scenes would have been awesome if you could see exactly what was happening.

Casino Royale did this great.

But I guess some people need to have this ^^^^ty editing to feel an adrenaline rush, were I get it from watching the choreography. I just felt aggravated. Heck the making-of on Starz! had better camera angles.

Song is one of the worst and the opening credits just seemed dull. The CGI Bond was horrible.

Now, there was some pretty cool stuff in the movie. The fight before meeting Camille was good and ended great. The opera was a very cool scene from beginning to end, except

for the ^^^^ty editing with the shoot out, again wasted footage.

The finale was great and the rest till the last shot of the movie. But,

WTF was going on with Vesper's boyfriend and the other chick?

They did that a few times in the movie. Bond learns something, we don't.

And Mathis, wtf happened there?

I hope these and other plot points are just something I missed and I'll see in another viewing and not bad writing (or was taken out for the sake of action).

Jen
11-15-2008, 09:46 PM
Just saw it - thought it was good - there were a lot of scenes where I wanted to know more of what happened - but over all I was entertained. Did like Casino better.....but overall still a good action flick.

Kabukiman
11-15-2008, 09:59 PM
And Mathis, wtf happened there?

Vesper was the one who set up Bond in CR, not Mathis.

I was kinda wtf on that myself.

Darklord Dave
11-15-2008, 10:12 PM
Just saw it and thought it was a great companion film to CR, which is probably my favorite Bond film and I'm a huge Bond-nut from way back.

I think Craig is the best Bond, but he's really playing a different character. He's the "blunt instrument" that M calls him in CR - he doesn't really think - he acts on instinct and sometimes gets carried away with the violence rather than doing what the case calls for.

I really like what they've done with Quantum - it's a much cooler organization and appropriate for the times - if they've tried to bring back something like Smersh or Spectre it would have been out of place and cheesy for a Craig Bond film.

jedibear
11-15-2008, 10:29 PM
Saw it this evening.

I thought it was excellent. It really completed the transition of Bond that CR started. Gone are the overworked quips, the overblown gadgets and the ageless agent who never gets a scratch. Instead we get a brutal, complicated man's journey from just being a killing machine to actually learning the hard way what his place is in the secret-laden, double-crossing world he inhabits as an agent of her Majesty's Secret Service.

I really appreciated how through some very well-done storytelling shorthand, we get a great sense how the different people Bond crosses paths with affect his life, most especially M. The cast was terrific, not a bad one in the bunch. And Craig? Well, I don't think he HAS to be "better" than any Bond preceding him...but he really makes Bond his own here. The man exudes "dangerous" and yet gives off an air of intelligence. It's a great performance. He makes the action look like it really hurts and when he throws off a one-liner (there were a few), they aren't the obvious "please laugh here" types...they just add to the character. I'm delighted to read in the trades that he's on for at least two more. QoS was a great completion to this arc of Bond's story...like "The Dark Knight" earlier this summer, it's left us really wanting to know where he goes from here.

Were there some tech issues? Just a few...I agree with those who've commented that the whole "shakey-cam" hyperactive editing style for action scenes is a bit hard on the eyes and comprehension, but it also begs for some repeat viewings for a chance to further decipher it all. And yes...the opening theme was rather dull. I also got tired of the graphics departments "fun with fonts" in indicating what location we were in.

But those few issues were washed away by some really inspired scenes. The opera scene was one of the best in any Bond film...just amazing. Some of the visual touches were great, like the poor Ms. Fields becoming a sly nod to "Goldfinger" all black while M looks on dressed in pure white. Cool stuff...

I think the Bond franchise has rebounded quite well from it's '90's excesses and here's hoping we get a few more outings with Craig that are as well-crafted and compelling as CR and QoS are...

Sachiel
11-15-2008, 10:36 PM
Vesper was the one who set up Bond in CR, not Mathis.

I was kinda wtf on that myself.

It was just how the scene played out.

It happened so fast. First I though Mathis was dead, then Bond seems to use him as a shield. Then turns out Mathis was alive, though only for a few more minutes. ;) Then there's the part about his name.

Though some things still are unclear to me (from CR). When Bond and Vesper are having dinner, he thinks Mathis told Le Chiffre about the bluffing? Then Le Chiffre goes on to say that Mathis is 'his' friend. So was that just Le Chiffre messing with Bond?


I went to the QoS Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_of_Solace) to see if I could find any answers on my other questions.

Vesper's former lover, Yusef, is a member of Quantum who specializes in seducing high-ranking women who have valuable connections, to get them to give up government assets as ransom for himself in fake kidnappings where he is supposedly held hostage. He is attempting to do the same with Canadian agent Corinne Venneau. But Bond tells Corinne about Vesper...

Was that explained in the movie and I just forgot? Though while thinking about the scene I did come to that conclusion.

Now, a Mr. White quote.

"You know, if she hadn't killed herself, we would've had you too." What exactly did he mean by that?

Darth Caedus
11-16-2008, 01:39 AM
Just saw it and thought it was a great companion film to CR, which is probably my favorite Bond film and I'm a huge Bond-nut from way back.

I think Craig is the best Bond, but he's really playing a different character. He's the "blunt instrument" that M calls him in CR - he doesn't really think - he acts on instinct and sometimes gets carried away with the violence rather than doing what the case calls for.

I really like what they've done with Quantum - it's a much cooler organization and appropriate for the times - if they've tried to bring back something like Smersh or Spectre it would have been out of place and cheesy for a Craig Bond film.

I can agree with pretty much all of that. This is a different bond then the connery/etc. Bond's a blunt instrument, he's there to get the job done no matter what.

Not going to put it in spoilers because it's old. Mathis was working for Le Chiffe the entire time during Casino Royale. When Bond found out about his tell, Mathis told Le Chiffe about it, thus Bond lost all of his money the first time. So when he said that Mathis was his friend, Bond knew that it was Mathis that told Le Chiffe about his tell and allowed Le Chiffe to beat Bond the first time.

About Yusef, I think that it was implied when Bond was telling the Canadian girl about what he was going to do with her. Saying that she had a necklace similar to Vesper. That Vesper really did love Bond and that he forgave her in the end; that she was played just like he was.

About Mr. White saying that to Bond I think that maybe they were going to hold vesper hostage and extract information from bond in exchange for her....?????? Maybe Vesper told them that Bond would break rules if need be and that they could do the same for him????

ANY WHO, I liked the movie a lot, but Casino Royale was FAR superior IMO. Love the action scenes in this one, but the story and plot wasn't as intriguing as CR. Can't wait for the next one.

Sachiel
11-16-2008, 02:55 AM
Yeah, that's what I was thinking on Mr. White. Killing Bond was the other, but that doesn't make sense because they had plenty of chances.

I dug around and I found this on Mathis from another board.

Bond only told two people about Le Chiffre's bluff. Someone told Le Chiffre. He put the blame on Mathis.

Le Chiffre told Bond Mathis was working for him, which confirms it for Bond. But he wasn't. It was to use Vesper as a bargaining chip.

Krypto
11-16-2008, 05:23 AM
It really completed the transition of Bond that CR started.

Indeed. It seems that some thought that transition was complete after Casino Royale, but there's so much more to the character that one film wouldn't suffice to create a three-dimensional character worthy of the audiences attention. I think some fans just expected a big empty action film, since they figured Bond was Bond now. That's not the films fault, that's the fault of certain audience members who expected one thing and got something different and unique and even challenging for this type of film.

Kabukiman, what rape scene are you referring to? I think the general attempted to rape a girl, but was killed by Olga's character in the process.

Also, the film posted a $27 million opening Friday with a project $72 million opening weekend, nearly doubling Casino Royale's $40 million opening. Yeah, I think it'll be a big hit. ;) Word of mouth seems more positive since the film actually opened and people have now seen it.

Kabukiman
11-16-2008, 08:37 AM
Kabukiman, what rape scene are you referring to? I think the general attempted to rape a girl, but was killed by Olga's character in the process.

That's the one. Something about brutalizing a woman, then throwing her on a bed in an attempt to have sex with her while she is screaming and crying doesn't seem very PG-13 to me no matter whether there was penetration or not.

scubasteve
11-16-2008, 01:08 PM
But those few issues were washed away by some really inspired scenes. The opera scene was one of the best in any Bond film...just amazing.

:lecture

I totally agree. The opera scene was beautifully executed. That is probably the stand-out scene in the entire film, for me.

And yes, whether the girl was raped or not, the scene could have been done differently. It was borderline R and didn't belong.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 01:26 PM
Eh. Rape happens. It brings tension. I havent seen the film, so I cant comment.

The Mike
11-16-2008, 01:59 PM
It was just how the scene played out.

It happened so fast. First I though Mathis was dead, then Bond seems to use him as a shield. Then turns out Mathis was alive, though only for a few more minutes. ;) Then there's the part about his name.

Though some things still are unclear to me (from CR). When Bond and Vesper are having dinner, he thinks Mathis told Le Chiffre about the bluffing? Then Le Chiffre goes on to say that Mathis is 'his' friend. So was that just Le Chiffre messing with Bond?


Le Chiffre was being honest. Remember "M" was willing to let him go after Vesper was found out and Bond said "Just because Vesper is guilty doesn't mean that Mathis is innocent. They allowed him "retire" because he was "innocent" isolated in a villa with just his lady companion to keep him company. The whole incident was to make the audience question if Mathis really was with Le Chiffre or not. Remember Mi-6 has no clue about anything going on with the "organization" this was another sign of that, that Mathis was dirty but even Mi-6 couldn't figure it out onoce Le Chiffre was dead. It also is why Bond went to him when "M" locked him out. Desperate times call for desperate measures and being in bed with a known traitor was the last straw. Ironic that the company that Mathis was helping in turn through their connections and establishments betrayed Mathis as well.


I went to the QoS Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_of_Solace) to see if I could find any answers on my other questions.

Vesper's former lover, Yusef, is a member of Quantum who specializes in seducing high-ranking women who have valuable connections, to get them to give up government assets as ransom for himself in fake kidnappings where he is supposedly held hostage. He is attempting to do the same with Canadian agent Corinne Venneau. But Bond tells Corinne about Vesper...

Was that explained in the movie and I just forgot? Though while thinking about the scene I did come to that conclusion.

This required one to have paid close attention to the end of Casino Royale. Vesper's lover Yusef got Vesper to give up secrets because of their relationship. He was in the process of doing the same to the Canadian government through Corinne. That is why Bond told her to tell the Canadian Government to check their rosters for a mole....indicating that Corinne was the mole. Also the showing of the necklace was supposed to be a glaring indication that a gift that was supposed to be an individual gift given only in love was used as another ploy to get in and to show how her emotions were used against her as she as well as Vesper took Yusef's feelings for genuine and didn't realize they were being used. Once they had what the needed and wanted to place a scapegoat out they "abducted" Yusef as a blackmailing tool even though he was working for them the entire time. When they realized he was found out, the wanted to keep their mole and planted a dead body. So that his current work with Corinne wouldn't be compromised. Corinne thanked Bond before leaving because he was giving her a chance to leave and not be implicated because he was giving her the ability to realize her mistake and move on. It was another sign of his forgiveness of Vesper because he didn't want to continue to demonize Vesper's past and her mistake.


Now, a Mr. White quote.

"You know, if she hadn't killed herself, we would've had you too." What exactly did he mean by that?

He was saying that he believed that Bond was so in love with Vesper and would do anything for her that he would even turn on his own country to make sure that he stayed with her. It was another fold in the same idea with Yusef. That the women were so in love with Yusef that they turned on their own country and that Bond would do the same. Its an interesting twist to this own organization that they used psychological means to get their agents and counterparts instead of just promises of money and power. They are appealing to both sides of the brain map.

Can we change this to a Spoilers thread so we can quit with the tags already?

jungle jom
11-16-2008, 02:14 PM
I still think Craig makes a great Bond... But this movie was just a mess. I really wanted to like it and came out of the theater thinking it wasn't so bad.

The more I thought about it, the more I came to realize how weak it was.

Every action sequence save the the part with the planes were badly directed and edited. I had to strain to follow what was happening. At times I couldn't tell who was Bond.

Also I like my Bond films to have a proper ending with loose ends tied up. I want a self contained movie rather than a serial. I don't want to wait years to see what happens.

And would it kill the filmmakers to put the Bond theme somewhere in the body of the film rather than in the credits?

Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike it because it's a new take on the Bond character. I loved "Casino Royal". It was well done.

This latest was just an exercise in poor filmmaking.

Krypto
11-16-2008, 04:46 PM
People need to stop complaining about the editing. It wasn't that bad and I'm a person that dislikes the kind of frantic hand-held style. The editing itself was more fluid and organic than in other films that employ similar techniques. And it only takes place in the action sequences, which I'm fine with. Bourne Ultimatum gave me a headache because the entire film was shot hand-held like the cameraman was purposely shaking it to make it more "intense". I saw the film again and the camerawork didn't bother me at all the second time. Also, I think I may like the film more than Casino Royale.

Krypto
11-16-2008, 04:48 PM
That's the one. Something about brutalizing a woman, then throwing her on a bed in an attempt to have sex with her while she is screaming and crying doesn't seem very PG-13 to me no matter whether there was penetration or not.

So wait, a woman nearly being raped is inappropriate for a PG-13 release, but not Bond violently killing several people isn't? Hmm... ;)

Rugby1970
11-16-2008, 05:01 PM
I was really disappointed as well. I typically dig the hand held, frenetic cutting style but it is really difficult to pull off. I was very confused by this movie. I could have sworn M was shot during the interrogation... I give up trying to fallow the action after a while. The Bond girl was not a strong actress, the South American dictator was also a weak actor.

I was just bored throughout. I never really cared or understood what was happening. Quantum was supposed to be a scary, super secret organization but they ended up not being scary or threatening at all. Felix's subplot was never fully explored either.

In Casino Royal, you really felt each death... it meant something for Bond to kill. I actually love the idea of Bond becoming a killing machine but it just got too easy for him.

In the end, too many things I was interested in occurred off camera.

Craig is possibly the best Bond and maybe this movie suffered because Casino was so good. It really set the bar high and this fell far far short.

Really disappointed but cannot wait to see the next one. I want to see Craig in another great Bond movie.

Giant Chicken
11-16-2008, 05:32 PM
Liked it... didn't love it.

I too thought that the film was all over the place. As a lot of the critics have noted it seemed that they were making a Bourne movie and not a Bond.

I know this is suppose to be the begining of the Bond story so I will let QoS slide. I just hope the closing shot of the movie was a sign of the Bond to come... it just sucks that we will have to wait another couple of years to see him.

Kabukiman
11-16-2008, 06:21 PM
So wait, a woman nearly being raped is inappropriate for a PG-13 release, but not Bond violently killing several people isn't? Hmm... ;)

Violence is something a young person can wrap their head around pretty easily. Same with sex. Violence + Sex = something children shouldn't be exposed to, imo.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 06:27 PM
Nevermind.....

uscmhicks
11-16-2008, 06:37 PM
Liked it... didn't love it.



Ditto. Although I was expecting another Casino Royal and to me it was completely different. I think I will like it better the second tme round.
Craig is my fave bond.

The theme was terrible. I thought when I walked in ( a tiny bit late ) it was an advert for a car or something. Then I realised and though wtf is this song.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 06:38 PM
Casino Royale was too perfect. No Bond movie can top it. Atleast not for a while.

Dr.Mirakle32
11-16-2008, 08:40 PM
It was really good, but I wouldn't go that far. Even QoS topped it for me.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 08:45 PM
No. Its perfect.

Dr.Mirakle32
11-16-2008, 08:52 PM
Just my opinion. I even know people that flat out didn't like it.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 08:53 PM
Those people suck. Makes me want to weep blood.

cerealkeller
11-16-2008, 09:06 PM
Saw it tonight. Liked it A LOT. Great revenge flick and Daniel Craig I can safely say is my ideal version of Bond.
Also can't understand what everyones talking about with the editing. I followed it fine, but I also followed the action in Batman Begins just fine. So I asked my girlfriend if she thought the action was hard to follow and she didn't think so either.
Can't wait now to see the story continue in the next one.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 09:09 PM
I hated the BB action...but everything else was just so good, I couldnt care less.

cerealkeller
11-16-2008, 09:15 PM
Loved the action in BB, but I do understand the folks that don't. For my tastes, you don't always need to see everything that happens to understand what's going on. Otherwise it looks too choreographed. Like Ducard said "This is not a dance!". Back on QoS, Craig is just so brutal and baddass. I think I have a man-crush on him. The kind of guy you wish you could be, then you realize "oh yeah, I'd rather sit on my ass and play video games, watch movies and collect dolls".

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 09:17 PM
I do. I cant stand that quickeditingcrapthatmakesthingslookalljumbledtogea therandhardtofollow.


Sometimes it works...but most of the time....(this is why I dont watch the Bourn films).

a-dev
11-16-2008, 09:18 PM
Started to watch an early pirate of this but the quality was pretty awful so I stopped and to date haven't seen the film but tell me - did my eyes deceive me or did this film go straight from studio logos into a car chase - entirely skipping the customary and IMO essential Bond gunsight intro? Seriously I know they want to take bond in bold new directions but why call it bond if you're going to strip away everything people expect of a bond film? Same with the lack of bond theme until the end credits (as someone else pointed out here) - I thought the idea of CR (which I loved) was to 'establish' bond at the end of which the bond theme really kicked in, signifying that bond was back.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 09:18 PM
Its at the end of the film...I dont like that idea either...

CR's was brilliant...for that one movie...

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 09:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph0XVIFWJbQ

Craig's Gunbarrel.

cerealkeller
11-16-2008, 09:25 PM
The traditional Bond beginning starts after the car chase. I've never seen one of the Bourne films yet. Keep meaning to, just haven't gotten around to it yet.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 09:27 PM
We're talking about the Gunbarrel.

a-dev
11-16-2008, 09:29 PM
Didn't CR have the gunbarrel intro at the start like every other bond?

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 09:31 PM
No. It was after the pre credit scene which led into the main titles. Really brilliant. Here?Not so much IMO.

jungle jom
11-16-2008, 09:52 PM
Started to watch an early pirate of this but the quality was pretty awful so I stopped and to date haven't seen the film but tell me - did my eyes deceive me or did this film go straight from studio logos into a car chase - entirely skipping the customary and IMO essential Bond gunsight intro? Seriously I know they want to take bond in bold new directions but why call it bond if you're going to strip away everything people expect of a bond film? Same with the lack of bond theme until the end credits (as someone else pointed out here) - I thought the idea of CR (which I loved) was to 'establish' bond at the end of which the bond theme really kicked in, signifying that bond was back.

Exactly Right!!!!!!!!!

JediMike71
11-16-2008, 10:10 PM
Yeah, I really missed the gunbarrel intro at the beginning of both CR and QOS. It was good to see it at least at the start of the credits for QOS, but it should have been where it's always been. I love the Bond them, and it should have been playing over the gunbarrel intro. Sure let Bond now go into a bold new "fronteir", but don't strip away everything we all know and love.

CelticPredator
11-16-2008, 10:18 PM
I could careless if he doesnt say "Bond...James Bond" or get a martini, or any of that crap....but the Barrel is scared. CR took it out, and thats fine...but I QOS should've. But they did do a barrel...so im sure we'll see it in the next one.

DarkArtist81
11-16-2008, 10:18 PM
I really don't mind the change... It's really minor to me... At least they were in there in some fashion, that's all that really matters to me.

bidge1000
11-16-2008, 11:15 PM
just saw this, thought it was excellent. I don't think it should be seen as a standalone movie. The events happen one hour after the end of Casino Royale, I see this as a continuation and the two stories making one big film.

The end is inconclusive, the search continues. Having not ever been a big bond fan, I cannot wait to see more now!

PS,

this was my first time ever seeing a Bond movie in the cinema, have just not been a big fan until the Reboot!


D

Krypto
11-17-2008, 05:52 AM
The gun barrel should be at the start of the next film, like the films of old. The point is that after this film, after he's got he's matured and become wore from battle and loved and lost, he's the Bond we know. Some people thought that he was that way after the end of Casino Royale, but they weren't giving the character enough credit, he has more depth than that with the way Craig plays him.

a-dev
11-17-2008, 07:25 AM
Some of the messing around and omitting of bond conventions seems pretty needless. Without those bond conventions (the gun barrell, the theme, bond..james bond etc) its all too easy to call these films Bourne rip-offs. After the excesses of Die another Die I guess they're worried about continuing the pattern of 'low key' bond progressing up to ridiculously OTT bond but come on - surely its possible to keep the 'realism' and hard edge of CR while maintaining recogniseabilty. Surely it wouldn't have killed them to keep the gun barrell intro in the right place and have bond say something bond-esque at least once (again though, haven't yet seen QoS, I'm just going on negative reviews). And I do think the time for holding back on the bond theme had already passed. Fair enough to keep the audience waiting in Casino Royale but when the theme came on at Bonds appearance with the machine gun at the end of that film - I sort of took that to be the indicator that Bond had been established as Bond and thereafter that tune would appear at appropriate times as normal in the next film. Otherwise why play the tune at all during the running time of CR, end credits included?

bagelsncheesey
11-17-2008, 07:37 AM
Fantastic movie, from start to finish. I think it was a perfect bridge movie from Casino Royale. It will be cool to watch them back to back when this comes out on Blu.

choopie
11-17-2008, 08:56 AM
Saw it over the weekend and enjoyed it. Nice continuation from Casino Royale, but I think CR was 100 times better in story line and action sequences. Now that Bond has gotten his revenge and has come to terms with his lost love, now it's time to shape him into a more mature, refined, less-reckless Bond. I really like the raw and gritty aspect of his character, but to carry that from one movie to the next will get old very fast. I expect the next film to feel more "Bond."

Krypto
11-17-2008, 10:23 AM
I loved many of the nods to films past in Quantum. My favorite of which was the opening, which reminded me of On Her Majesty's Secret Service, showing Bond and the Aston Martin in close-ups revealing parts of his face and cross-cutting his face with the car racing down a curvy road. And the nod to Spy Who Loved Me with Bond throwing the bodyguard off the roof.

And the Bond theme is in the score from time to time. It's kind of buried in there, but it's there. Listen closely. ;) I think they're holding the theme back because once that theme comes on full-blast during an action sequence, it kind of derails the tension and since they're going for a more hard-edged Bond and more tension filled action sequences based in reality, the theme is sort of unnecessary in some respects.

The Mike
11-17-2008, 12:56 PM
I too thought that the film was all over the place. As a lot of the critics have noted it seemed that they were making a Bourne movie and not a Bond.

I always laugh at these kind of critic comments. Bourne was touted as "Bond for the 21st Century" from the beginning even by Damon during Press Junkets. It was supposed to be more modern, realistic take on the spy movie which is Bond. Then with Casino Royale, Bond was rebooted and made more realistic, more managable and now its the Bourne rip off? :lol

Bourne was Bond without the tuxedos, Q, women and charming style. Craig's Bond is Bourne, the same "blunt object" but with women and style showing through. I like that better seeing that while Bond had to become refined and mature that the style, the thing that made him Bond is natural and not learned. What I also like is that its a job not some weird mental psychobrainwash that makes him a killing machine.

I loved this film but will admit I liked Casino Royale more. Bond has a weird tie to multiple generations, the guy behind complained after the movie during the credits that it was the "Worst Bond Film Ever" and that he missed Roger Moore. While for me there WAS NO BOND BEFORE CRAIG. I like Craig's Bond even more than Connery. Not to mention the movie was left open-ended as well as completing the previous storyline which made me wish the 3rd film was already done. That is the sign of a good movie IMHO, leaving you wanting more.

I've read this was supposed to be signed for a trilogy only. I hope we get at least twice that from Craig before all is said and done.

Krypto
11-17-2008, 01:56 PM
Bourne can not compete with Bond for one very simple reason - he's not a spy. Period. And he doesn't have any depth of character. He's just a man on the run. The Bourne films have more in common with The Fugitive than the Bond films. And to say Bond ripped off Bourne stylistically is silly. I guess the people who say such things haven't seen From Russia with Love or On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Bond was doing the whole "realistic" thing with real stunts and hard-hitting fights decades before Bourne.

JediMike71
11-17-2008, 04:36 PM
There's no way that Bond is "ripping off" the Bourne movies! :confused: Don't you realize that the first James Bond movie was in the early 1960s? Plus, Ian Fleming wrote the books years before Dr. No was released! The Jason Bourne movies came out in the 1990s. Not the 1960s. Bond was before Bourne. Some people seem to throw in Bourne comparing it now to almost every single action movie coming out now. Sure, the Bourne trilogy was great. But it will NEVER be better than Bond. At least to me. :D

scubasteve
11-17-2008, 05:49 PM
So, let's get this straight, it was Vesper who told Quantum that Bond knew Le Chiffre's "tell" and not Mathis?

Kabukiman
11-17-2008, 06:30 PM
So, let's get this straight, it was Vesper who told Quantum that Bond knew Le Chiffre's "tell" and not Mathis?

That's what I got from it. The very end of the movie seems to solidify this.

Morbach
11-18-2008, 08:50 AM
I want to see this movie!

The Tuggernaut
11-22-2008, 05:54 AM
Saw this earlier today... fantastic movie! 8/10
Can't wait for the next Bond film!

Now come on Sideshow... where's my Daniel Craig PF?

pmtz2005
11-23-2008, 03:11 AM
I really just want to see the bond girl, damn she is so hot :bow

Wor-Gar
11-23-2008, 12:37 PM
I finally saw this last night.... and I didn't like it much. :(

I wanted to. Just didn't find it very engaging. Now that the whole Craig-as-Bond reboot has cooled for me, I felt the movie wasn't very innovative as compared to CR. Nothing jumped out at me, nothing blew me away. The best action shots were given away in the trailer. The rest was mild.

This Bond really needs a great villain to go up against. The "Roman Polanski" guy wasn't much of a challenge. I'm growing tired of the "Clear and Present Danger" plots and characters. I don't want a Moore-Bond cartoon, but a little more larger than life villain and plot, done realistically, would be more fun.

Josette
11-23-2008, 02:46 PM
This Bond really needs a great villain to go up against.

That's exactly what I think, too. He realy needs a villain that's an equal and not just an annoyance. That's the number one thing they should focus on when they start thinking of ideas for a third.

I didn't get very interested in this movie until about halfway through it. The beginning was overstuffed with action and I found it rather hard to follow the plot. The second half rocked. And Craig is as perfect a Bond as ever.

I think this movie actually works a lot better if you watch Casino Royale immediately prior to seeing it. It's almost as if the Casino Royal is the beginning and the build up, and that this one is the climax and the falling action.

The Mike
11-23-2008, 06:23 PM
I really just want to see the bond girl, damn she is so hot :bow

Which one? Personally I like Gemma Arterton over Olga...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/06/30/article-1030502-01CBB24400000578-373_468x301.jpg


This Bond really needs a great villain to go up against. The "Roman Polanski" guy wasn't much of a challenge. I'm growing tired of the "Clear and Present Danger" plots and characters. I don't want a Moore-Bond cartoon, but a little more larger than life villain and plot, done realistically, would be more fun.

You're missing the bigger picture. He is fighting an organization that even MI-6 has no idea about. He fighting an organization that is even pulling over the wool of the eyes of the US Government. When considering a syndicate, it wouldn't be as impressive if everyone in it were an A+ villian. Even Mr. White seems to be working for someone. Which means that there is someone at the top still to come.

BTW: This beat BOLT, Disney's big Holiday film....it ended up at number 2 for its sophomore week a full 400,000 over its third place mentioned above.

scubasteve
11-23-2008, 06:51 PM
I'll take both Bond girls! Gemma slightly sexier, though

pmtz2005
11-23-2008, 07:57 PM
im definately taking olga...the first time I saw her in Hitman it was over :love

scubasteve
11-23-2008, 09:09 PM
She's got the looks. Acting could use some work, but I'd rate her higher than say...Megan Fox.

Wor-Gar
11-24-2008, 07:21 PM
You're missing the bigger picture. He is fighting an organization that even MI-6 has no idea about.

A faceless organization is boring.

SPECTRE had great faces.

CelticPredator
11-26-2008, 12:07 AM
They must re do Blofeld.

Seretur
11-28-2008, 02:42 AM
A faceless organization feels too real for comfort... Especially when the CIA is all to eager to jump in bed with it.

I really like QoS, catatonic editing be damned.

scubasteve
11-28-2008, 09:58 AM
A faceless organization feels too real for comfort... Especially when the CIA is all to eager to jump in bed with it.

I really like QoS, catatonic editing be damned.

Yep, I loved it. Seen it 3 times in the theater, so far

CelticPredator
11-28-2008, 12:05 PM
I need to see it again. I liked it, but I was already in a depressed mood, and Bond being depressed didnt help....damnit Bond!

The action was god awful. But I liked the story and everything else.

scubasteve
11-28-2008, 10:37 PM
The action was great, especially that knife fight! Loved it! :banana

CelticPredator
11-28-2008, 10:57 PM
Too quick. I like to see the action.

DarkArtist81
11-28-2008, 10:58 PM
A faceless organization feels too real for comfort... Especially when the CIA is all to eager to jump in bed with it.

I really like QoS, catatonic editing be damned.

:rock I agree. The faceless organization is much more real, and threatening. SPECTRE was always laughable to me, with their inept guards and traps. The only film that somewhat made them seem real was OHMSS, and even that one had a few issues.

I really love the direction this series is heading towards, it's like having SPECTRE back... but done right. I will agree that a more interesting villain is needed. But I still hated Greene with a passion, he really was a bastard.

CelticPredator
11-28-2008, 10:59 PM
I love his uh....end.

Hilarious.

"20 miles before you consider drinking that..."

DarkArtist81
11-28-2008, 11:09 PM
I love his uh....end.

Hilarious.

"20 miles before you consider drinking that..."

I love that he didn't kill him.. You want him to, badly.. but you hope he doesn't. He chose to do his job instead.

The entire film felt like Bond was too pissed to function properly at his work, and it was subtlety done.. I didn't realize that's what angle they were working until mid film.

CelticPredator
11-28-2008, 11:11 PM
I liked the end though. Where he didnt get his revenge. It worked.

Also, I loved the Goldfinger refrence.

scubasteve
11-28-2008, 11:22 PM
I love that he didn't kill him.. You want him to, badly.. but you hope he doesn't. He chose to do his job instead.

The entire film felt like Bond was too pissed to function properly at his work, and it was subtlety done.. I didn't realize that's what angle they were working until mid film.

At the end of CR, as he is holding Vesper's body, you can just see the overwhelming hate and pain running through him. To be honest, I expected him to be an absolute killing machine in QoS. You can tell he felt at least some sense of culpability after he killed the guy with the knife, seeing as how he deviated slightly from his duty when he flat out stabbed the guy in the neck.

tomandshell
11-28-2008, 11:43 PM
It's interesting that Craig hasn't killed the main villain in either of his Bond films so far.