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KitFisto
08-14-2008, 07:21 PM
HARRY POTTER AND THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE has been DELAYED 8 months!!!!!!!!!! It will now be released on July 17, 2009. This is very crappy news

HP 6 DELAY!!! (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=48001)


What a bunch of bull ^^^^. I am not at all happy about this.

IronFingaz
08-14-2008, 07:22 PM
Nobody is........... except WB :emperor

Darth Waller
08-14-2008, 07:25 PM
I'm curious what J.K. Rowling's thoughts are on this craptastic move.

Darklord Dave
08-14-2008, 08:49 PM
I'm curious what J.K. Rowling's thoughts are on this craptastic move.

Well, they're doing it to maximize profits and it's not like she's got a cash flow problem...

They do point out that the most successful Potter was released in the summer. It's all about the money.

Buttmunch
08-14-2008, 08:56 PM
I just don't understand why such a huge delay. I mean if they were going to do this surely they would have known before the teaser trailers. I just don't see how they were planning on releasing this in Novemeber a week or two ago and now NEXT summer.

The guys at WB need to be fired.

RyanGabriel
08-14-2008, 09:36 PM
BLOODY HELL! that sucks big time

Darklord Dave
08-14-2008, 10:20 PM
I just don't understand why such a huge delay. I mean if they were going to do this surely they would have known before the teaser trailers. I just don't see how they were planning on releasing this in Novemeber a week or two ago and now NEXT summer.

The guys at WB need to be fired.

This is the time of year when this kind of thing happens. They've had the summer to see what's been successful, evaluate what's in the pipeline and see how films with certain demographics play out on certain dates. Also other studios have set their tentpoles for next year and it's easier to see where there might be an opening.

The Tom Cruise WWII movie that has been pushed back 3 times and was slated for Feb 09 just got moved to Dec 08.

Buttmunch
08-14-2008, 11:13 PM
This is the time of year when this kind of thing happens. They've had the summer to see what's been successful, evaluate what's in the pipeline and see how films with certain demographics play out on certain dates. Also other studios have set their tentpoles for next year and it's easier to see where there might be an opening.

The Tom Cruise WWII movie that has been pushed back 3 times and was slated for Feb 09 just got moved to Dec 08.

Moving a feel forward is usually always welcome in my book :D

I just feel that if a release date is announced, it should be honored, or at least within a month of that original date. But 8 months is very extreme!

Like everyone has said, people will see this WHENEVER it is released. Waiting till NEXT summer is just stupid.

Buttmunch
08-15-2008, 12:39 AM
"The picture is completely, absolutely, 100 percent on schedule, on time. There were no delays," Horn told The Associated Press. "I've seen the movie. It is fabulous. We would have been perfectly able to have it out in November."

http://movies.msn.com/movies/article.aspx/?news=326989&GT1=28101

That makes me even angrier!

Darth Loki
08-15-2008, 04:00 AM
Well, they're doing it to maximize profits and it's not like she's got a cash flow problem...

They do point out that the most successful Potter was released in the summer. It's all about the money.

What a crock of bull ^^^^. If they're marketing people had an ounce of common sense they would realize that this was in large part because it released almost the same time as the final book and Potter buzz was outta control. Many people had just reread the books and were looking for anything and everything Potter.

This movie was scheduled just weeks before the Tales of Beedle the Bard was coming out and would have been a great fit with renewed interest in the series.

I will never believe that this isn't more to this.

And I'm not ^^^cing happy

Darth Waller
08-15-2008, 05:03 AM
What a crock of bull ^^^^. If they're marketing people had an ounce of common sense they would realize that this was in large part because it released almost the same time as the final book and Potter buzz was outta control. Many people had just reread the books and were looking for anything and everything Potter.

Exactly. :banghead

Shropt
08-15-2008, 05:06 AM
When is the Potter themed area of Islands Of Adventure opening in Orlando? Maybe they pushed back the film to coincide with the opening?

Wetanut
08-15-2008, 05:40 AM
When is the Potter themed area of Islands Of Adventure opening in Orlando? Maybe they pushed back the film to coincide with the opening?

Supposedly late 09/early 10 so it may not be the reason. Especially with Deathly Hallows still to follow which would feed the park opening.

Darklord Dave
08-15-2008, 09:34 AM
I'm not happy about it either - I wasn't happy when Paramount did it with Star Trek. But it makes a lot of sense and isn't stupid at all. There are only 2 time to release a tentpole film - Christmas or Summer. And if you release it in November you only have about 4 weeks before everyone goes back to school/work. In the Summer you have 12 weeks.

Darth Waller
08-15-2008, 09:52 AM
From EW: http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/08/news-flash-harr.html?iid=top25-20080815-NEWS+FLASH%3A+%27Harry+Potter+and+the+Half%2DBlood +Prince%27+Bumped+to+Summer+2009

Some outside the studio are already pointing out that moving Half-Blood will also stop next year’s profits from looking seriously underwhelming after the phenomenal success of The Dark Knight. “They don’t need the money this year anymore,” says a rival studio exec. “When a movie overperforms the way Dark Knight has, you really don’t need Harry Potter in the fall.” Asked about the seriousness of moving a Potter movie so late in the game, the exec adds, “Turning a battleship that big isn’t easy. You’re not talking just about the movie, but all the merchandising, the toys and stuff. It’s huge. And it has a domino effect across the rest of the summer slate.” The date change will affect other studio’s slates as well. July 17 is currently home to Will Ferrell’s Land of the Lost, but Universal may quickly move to safer ground.

Buttmunch
08-15-2008, 09:53 AM
I'm not happy about it either - I wasn't happy when Paramount did it with Star Trek. But it makes a lot of sense and isn't stupid at all. There are only 2 time to release a tentpole film - Christmas or Summer. And if you release it in November you only have about 4 weeks before everyone goes back to school/work. In the Summer you have 12 weeks.

But with Star Trek they didn't announce the change just 3 months before the release. It was well over a year before the planned release they bumped it back a couple more months.

The biggest issue here is only a week or twoa go it was still planned as November with the teaser trailer. You'd think they'd have something as important as the release date set in stone before they released any footage. :rolleyes:

BadMoon
08-15-2008, 09:54 AM
The bottom line is that this type of thing is a ^^^^ty thing to do to the fans.

Buttmunch
08-15-2008, 10:20 AM
The bottom line is that this type of thing is a ^^^^ty thing to do to the fans.

Exactly. If the movie is going to be be done in November, why sit on it for EIGHT FREAKING MONTHS! That is insane. If they don't want it to be a "flop" compired to the Dark Knight, release it January 1st or the first Friday in January or something.

Morons.

ProgMatinee
08-15-2008, 10:27 AM
Are some of you waiting to committ suicide until after the film is released or something?

Are 93 year olds waiting to cross this off their bucket list?

From a quantity perspective, delaying the film actually will mean more people will have a chance to see it. More people will have read the books by then and more people will have turned 11 or whatever that magic age of being interested is, etc.

The most important thing is to make sure the movie doesn't suck like the last one did. If a delay helps that in any way, I'll be happy.

Darth Waller
08-15-2008, 10:29 AM
The most important thing is to make sure the movie doesn't suck like the last one did. If a delay helps that in any way, I'll be happy.

The movie is done and they aren't making any changes to it. Just sitting on it until next summer.

Buttmunch
08-15-2008, 10:32 AM
Are some of you waiting to committ suicide until after the film is released or something?

Are 93 year olds waiting to cross this off their bucket list?

From a quantity perspective, delaying the film actually will mean more people will have a chance to see it. More people will have read the books by then and more people will have turned 11 or whatever that magic age of being interested is, etc.

The most important thing is to make sure the movie doesn't suck like the last one did. If a delay helps that in any way, I'll be happy.

The biggest thing is the film will be FINISHED in time for its original release date. So in short, they will just sit on the finished film for EIGHT more months. That is the biggest concern. The film will be done and ready and just waiting for summer because supposedly it will do better then :rolleyes:

This may be a two or three viewer in the theater, but I'm only going once if they keep the new summer release date. I wont' boycott it because that would be stupid, but I won't support it more than once in the theater now.

I even submitted a form to WB stating how annoyed I was.

Oh, and by the way, my 87 year old Great Grandmother IS looking forward to seeing this film.

Kabukiman
08-15-2008, 10:57 AM
They're pulling the same crap with Star Trek. It's supposedly going to be done in December (the original release date), but pushed it to May for marketing reasons.

I'm no marketing genius, but wouldn't you want to release the movie at a time when there isn't going to be a lot competition as opposed to the summer where you're king of the hill one week and dollar theater the next? :confused:

Buttmunch
08-15-2008, 11:11 AM
They're pulling the same crap with Star Trek. It's supposedly going to be done in December (the original release date), but pushed it to May for marketing reasons.

I'm no marketing genius, but wouldn't you want to release the movie at a time when there isn't going to be a lot competition as opposed to the summer where you're king of the hill one week and dollar theater the next? :confused:

I agree. The whole idea of summer being the only time a blockbuster can come out is riddiculous. If the film is good, it will do well no matter when it is released. Heck, it will probably even do better durning the lulls as there is nothing else to see and it has the audience's full attention. It seems anywhere between January and May there is NOTHING good out. Perfect time to release these films in there.

KAOSINLA
08-15-2008, 11:47 AM
I definitely understand the money move, but I think they are underestimating the revenue of a Nov/Dec release and the movie itself. Like someone said earlier, this would have conincided with "The Tales of Beedle and Bard" which has renewed the HP fury. Also, we're coming to the end of the line w/ HP and I believe each movie from OotP on will eclipse the previous no matter what the release date is.

Also, if memory serves me right, Return of the King didn't do to bad with a December 17th release.

IronFingaz
08-15-2008, 11:47 AM
There's never been any poblems money wise for movies in the holiday season before. S^^t, even Night At The Museum grossed over $250 million with a Dec. 22 release date. And that movie sucked.

http://www.chromewaves.net/images/interface/johnnycashFinger_.jpg

Again, WB, this is for you! :mad:

IrishJedi
08-15-2008, 12:02 PM
The movie is a product. Warner Brothers is simply flaunting all of that in everyone's face.

galactiboy
08-15-2008, 12:16 PM
Lame news... I was really looking forward to this one. Kind of an end cap for a year of cool ass movies :(

Buttmunch
08-15-2008, 04:46 PM
The movie is a product. Warner Brothers is simply flaunting all of that in everyone's face.

This better not start a trend of movies being made only to never be released and become urban legends. :rolleyes:

Its not so much a NEEDED delay that would bother me but the fact it will be READY in Novemeber only to be sat on for EIGHT more months is what is pissing me off royally.

Bonehead15
08-15-2008, 05:17 PM
From a quantity perspective, delaying the film actually will mean more people will have a chance to see it. More people will have read the books by then and more people will have turned 11 or whatever that magic age of being interested is, etc.



Well if that's your opinion then why not push it back a few years. Even MORE people will have read the books by then and interest will be even greater.

Right??? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:



You don't have to be fan of the novels to enjoy the movies. I don't know why people keep thinking that only fans of the novels enjoy the films.

The movies can stand on their own.

Ultimate Weapon
08-15-2008, 05:25 PM
Just read about this over at imdb.com. The whole summer movie mentality is becoming absurd. Summer is not the only time that movies can exist, make money, become successful, etc.

Contrary to suits' beliefs, People actually want to see movies year round, at least I do. I don't go to a movie just because it's summer time. They (WB) didn't have any problem releasing these movies in December when Lord of the Rings was being released, and it wasn't until LOTR finished that they moved the Potter schedule to the summer months. Now they were getting back to the original release months and because they're afraid of not having a tentpole for the summer this movie must wait. What difference does it make if $300 million comes in in November vs. July? I know, I know - shareholders, corporations, etc.

It's just a ridiculous scenario. Besides, Potter feels like a fall movie, not a summer blockbuster.

Oh yeah, the worst thing is that it's all about quarterly profit margins - that's it.

Darklord Dave
08-15-2008, 05:35 PM
Potter has kid appeal and with kids out of school they're more likely to repeat.

Just read that Twilight has moved into this spot - that's a smart move.


I'm betting Entertainment Weekly is a bit pissed though - here's their FALL MOVIE ISSUE:
http://www.associatedtelevision.com/ew-harry.jpg

...and they're also a Time Warner company :lol

Buttmunch
08-15-2008, 06:23 PM
Potter has kid appeal and with kids out of school they're more likely to repeat.

Just read that Twilight has moved into this spot - that's a smart move.


I'm betting Entertainment Weekly is a bit pissed though - here's their FALL MOVIE ISSUE:
http://www.associatedtelevision.com/ew-harry.jpg

...and they're also a Time Warner company :lol

And kids are out of school during Christmas break - not long after this would have come out, so the summer argument holds no water. WB is just smoking crack and pissing everyone off.

Darth Waller
08-15-2008, 07:32 PM
Potter has kid appeal and with kids out of school they're more likely to repeat.

Just read that Twilight has moved into this spot - that's a smart move.


I'm betting Entertainment Weekly is a bit pissed though - here's their FALL MOVIE ISSUE:
http://www.associatedtelevision.com/ew-harry.jpg

...and they're also a Time Warner company :lol

Owned! :lol

YoNoSe
08-15-2008, 07:36 PM
Saw the trailer in front of Clone Wars tonight. I felt bad for all the people who were chattering excitedly at the end when "November" appeared.

tomandshell
08-15-2008, 07:38 PM
I wanted to shout, "July 2009" after it played and everyone was chattering excitedly.

YoNoSe
08-15-2008, 08:00 PM
I wanted to shout, "July 2009" after it played and everyone was chattering excitedly.

:lol
"You will be a year older before you see this! Stop chattering!":D

KAOSINLA
08-16-2008, 03:30 PM
And kids are out of school during Christmas break - not long after this would have come out, so the summer argument holds no water. WB is just smoking crack and pissing everyone off.

Believe me I hate this decision. I always thought of HP as somewhat of a holiday season movie w/ Halloween and those following it. However, Dave is correct in simple supply and demand. And, in this case it's time.

Revenue is made on repeat viewings. The primary audience is individuals still in school, so that equals out to about 45 days in theaters before the school year begins with the July release. In contrast, you got about 3 days for Thanksgiving and then a 3-week school session before X-mas break. X-mas holds about 2 weeks of off time. In this holiday time period, a studio has to contend w/ Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, and New Years Day, along with shopping time, the traveling time of familiies visiting relatives, family priorities of the Holiday gathering rather than movies, and possible inclement weather. In contrast, this summer release has no holiday or school interruption and only has to contend w/ vacationing families, which movie viewing on vacation is usually not an interference with plans.

This by no means is meant to say that HBP wouldn't have made huge revenue this year, but says the potential is greater w/ the July release. Uninterrupted product time access and availability has much more potential than interrupted.

galactiboy
08-16-2008, 07:52 PM
I wanted to shout, "July 2009" after it played and everyone was chattering excitedly.

Yeah, I thought the same thing... cool looking trailer too :(

Darth Waller
08-16-2008, 09:02 PM
Believe me I hate this decision. I always thought of HP as somewhat of a holiday season movie w/ Halloween and those following it. However, Dave is correct in simple supply and demand. And, in this case it's time.

Revenue is made on repeat viewings. The primary audience is individuals still in school, so that equals out to about 45 days in theaters before the school year begins with the July release. In contrast, you got about 3 days for Thanksgiving and then a 3-week school session before X-mas break. X-mas holds about 2 weeks of off time. In this holiday time period, a studio has to contend w/ Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, and New Years Day, along with shopping time, the traveling time of familiies visiting relatives, family priorities of the Holiday gathering rather than movies, and possible inclement weather. In contrast, this summer release has no holiday or school interruption and only has to contend w/ vacationing families, which movie viewing on vacation is usually not an interference with plans.

This by no means is meant to say that HBP wouldn't have made huge revenue this year, but says the potential is greater w/ the July release. Uninterrupted product time access and availability has much more potential than interrupted.

The problem with this theory is that the summer is flooded with big releases, so there's really a shorter window for repeat business as opposed to the fewer big releases that the fall would have.

KAOSINLA
08-17-2008, 02:05 AM
The problem with this theory is that the summer is flooded with big releases, so there's really a shorter window for repeat business as opposed to the fewer big releases that the fall would have.


This is just an example of the intricacies of microeconomics. There could be doubt with a new movie entering the season with low-entry barriers and many firms with an expected/theorized audience level. However, with an established franchise movie elevating it over the homogenous products scale, the model of perfect competition is skewed or utterly erased when market power is established. Given the audience is already in place, product timing and placement becomes the key component in the capital gains equation superceding competition risks especially with the inclusion of advanced future release knowledge.

And for this reason summer movies have historically outperformed other seasonal releases (Here's some ranking with just U.S. Domestic stats).

Titanic: December 19th, 1997
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope: May 25th, 1977
The Dark Knight: July 18th, 2008
Shrek 2: May 19th, 2004
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial: June 11th, 1982
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace: May 19th, 1999
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest: July 7th, 2006
Spider-Man: May 3rd, 2002
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith: May 19th, 2005
The Lord Of The Rings: The Return of The King: December 17th, 2003
Spider-Man 2: June 30th, 2004
The Passion of the Christ: February 25th, 2004
Jurassic Park: June 11th, 1993
The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers: December 18th, 2002
Finding Nemo: May 30th, 2003
Spider-Man 3: May 4th, 2007
Forrest Gump: July 4th, 1994
The Lion King: June 15th, 1994
Shrek the Third: May 18th, 2007
Transformers: July 2nd, 2007

UTtoyfan
08-18-2008, 07:16 AM
I just got back from Universal Orlando last night and just read about the delay of Half Blood Prince this morning. :monkey2:monkey2
I was all excited too after seeing the construction and signs up for the "Wizarding World of Harry Potter" at Islands of Adventure. At least I don't have to wait until 2010 for the movie. :monkey4:monkey5
<a href="http://s155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/uttoyfan/?action=view&current=db_2008_0802_Potter_20101.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s285/uttoyfan/db_2008_0802_Potter_20101.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Darth Loki
08-18-2008, 07:23 AM
Anyone else think that WB is pushing this back to the next fiscal year because TDK blew away everyone's projections by about $300 million (the same $300 million this movie will make)? Knowing that they've already exceeded their fiscal goals for the year they are saving their next 'sure thing' for next year to help with the following years numbers?

I see ^^^^ like this all the time and now that I've been thinking about it, am almost 100% sure this is the reason behind the push back.

Darth Waller
08-18-2008, 07:25 AM
I don't doubt that they're moving it to 2009 because of TDK.

IrishJedi
08-18-2008, 07:30 AM
Anyone else think that WB is pushing this back to the next fiscal year because TDK blew away everyone's projections by about $300 million (the same $300 million this movie will make)? Knowing that they've already exceeded their fiscal goals for the year they are saving their next 'sure thing' for next year to help with the following years numbers?

That is EXACTLY the reasoning. Time Warner is a public company and it's all about avoiding "negative growth" and keeping stockholders happy.

If TDK and HP came out this year, 2008's box office numbers would have been through the roof and 2009 (with no other tent-pole thanks to the strike) would have flatlined. They're trying to avoid that by putting HP into the 2009 fiscal year. And in doing so Summer 2009 is better for all involved that Fall 2009.

It's annoying, yes. And I can completely understand why HP fans will be frustrated and disappointed. But it actually makes sense from a business POV.

The Josh
08-18-2008, 07:42 AM
That sucks. Ah well gives us something to look forward to next summer I suppose.

OSCORP
08-18-2008, 09:52 AM
HP should be seen in the fall not the scorching summer. It has that Fall/Halloween/winter vibe about it.

It was the only movie left this year i was willing to see in a theater.

KitFisto
08-18-2008, 09:55 AM
Anyone else think that WB is pushing this back to the next fiscal year because TDK blew away everyone's projections by about $300 million (the same $300 million this movie will make)? Knowing that they've already exceeded their fiscal goals for the year they are saving their next 'sure thing' for next year to help with the following years numbers?

I see ^^^^ like this all the time and now that I've been thinking about it, am almost 100% sure this is the reason behind the push back.

I said exactly the same thing on another message board.

dunedain
08-18-2008, 10:02 AM
HP should be seen in the fall not the scorching summer. It has that Fall/Halloween/winter vibe about it.
That is my feeling as well. It is also fall/winter in the movies it just gives a good feeling.

It was the only movie left this year i was willing to see in a theater.
Same here. I'm pretty pissed of about it all, but what can we do about it?
I just hope that they use this additional time to make the movie better.

Darth Loki
08-18-2008, 10:14 AM
I said exactly the same thing on another message board.

You've been seeing another board :horror

And to think, I trusted you :monkey2

pixletwin
08-18-2008, 10:33 AM
If making more HP money means keeping inhouse indi-rock acts like the Flaming Lips signed I can live with the delay.

The Mike
08-18-2008, 11:03 AM
You've been seeing another board :horror

And to think, I trusted you :monkey2

Get tested now bro. Who knows how many other boards you've been with through transfer now!

Anyone know if Universal caved to JK Rowing's request of having a full Diagon Alley where you have to tap the wall to get through? I know that was one of the big stumbling blocks that stopped it from going into Walt Disney World.

Agent0028
08-18-2008, 11:23 AM
Damn this is annoying. I guess after I get to go see Clone Wars there won't be any reason for me to go to the movies until July 09. And for those of you who think I am being facetious I'm not kidding, it could seriously be that long before I go to the movies again. :lol

galactiboy
08-18-2008, 11:29 AM
HP should be seen in the fall not the scorching summer. It has that Fall/Halloween/winter vibe about it.

It was the only movie left this year i was willing to see in a theater.


Same feeling here... I think that was the last one I was looking forward to this year.

Giant Chicken
08-18-2008, 02:55 PM
Damn this is annoying. I guess after I get to go see Clone Wars there won't be any reason for me to go to the movies until July 09. And for those of you who think I am being facetious I'm not kidding, it could seriously be that long before I go to the movies again. :lol



Is everyone forgetting about the new BOND movie??? I am totally bummed about Potter but I am still very excited about Bond.

Agent0028
08-18-2008, 03:03 PM
:o I reckon I am. Thanks for the reminder. :lol

Buttmunch
08-18-2008, 03:49 PM
That is my feeling as well. It is also fall/winter in the movies it just gives a good feeling.

Same here. I'm pretty pissed of about it all, but what can we do about it?
I just hope that they use this additional time to make the movie better.

Send Warner Bros an email telling them how pissed off you are and how unprofessional it is to bump a movie back (so far) and so close to its original release date.

I did. :naughty

IronFingaz
08-18-2008, 04:11 PM
Same feeling here... I think that was the last one I was looking forward to this year.

It was the only movie i was looking forward to see this holidy season on a Iron Man, Indy 4, Baman level. But it's not the ONLY movie because Wall-E, Hellboy II, Tropic Thunder and Pineapple Express hasnt reached this part of the world yet :banghead


Is everyone forgetting about the new BOND movie??? I am totally bummed about Potter but I am still very excited about Bond.

I know it's coming, i'm just not that excited. The first one was good but not great. And to me, it felt like they were biting the Bourne movies a bit. So no problem waiting for the DVD here.

galactiboy
08-19-2008, 07:25 PM
It was the only movie i was looking forward to see this holidy season on a Iron Man, Indy 4, Baman level. But it's not the ONLY movie because Wall-E, Hellboy II, Tropic Thunder and Pineapple Express hasnt reached this part of the world yet :banghead



Well, having seen all of them I would encourage you to keep to the schedule. Each one of those was great :rock

And I did forget about Bond, I thought Casino was okay... so I'll most likely see Solace, just not that enthused about it.

IronFingaz
08-20-2008, 06:04 AM
Well, having seen all of them I would encourage you to keep to the schedule. Each one of those was great :rock

And I did forget about Bond, I thought Casino was okay... so I'll most likely see Solace, just not that enthused about it.

I'm seeing Wall-E next week (and maybe Wanted) when it finally reaches denmark. The only thing that can stop me is if they only show the translated version. I refuse to pay for that. Then the week after i'm seeing Hellboy II and on Sep 19 it's Tropic Thunder. Pineapple Expess isnt until November, i think. And it might be out on DVD in the US a couple of weeks later so i might just use the money on that insted :D

The Mike
08-20-2008, 09:44 AM
WB's Alan Horn Addresses Harry Potter Fans
Source: Warner Bros. Pictures August 20, 2008

If you've read the comments on this item, it's not hard to see that "Harry Potter" fans are not too pleased with Warner Bros.' decision to move the nearly-completed Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince from November 21 to July 17, 2009.

In that announcement, Warner Bros. President and Chief Operating Officer Alan Horn stated the studio's reasons for moving the film. He said the reasons are twofold: "we know the summer season is an ideal window for a family tent pole release... [and] we are still feeling the repercussions of the writers' strike, which impacted the readiness of scripts for other films—changing the competitive landscape for 2009 and offering new windows of opportunity that we wanted to take advantage of."

It looks like the Warner Bros. Pictures offices were flooded with complaints from the fans, as Horn has now released the following statement to all the fans:

Many of you have written to me to express your disappointment in our moving "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" to Summer 2009.

Please be assured that we share your love for Harry Potter and would certainly never do anything to hurt any of the films. Over the past 10 years, we have nurtured and protected each film, and the integrity of the books upon which they are based, to the best of our ability.

The decision to move "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" was not taken lightly, and was never intended to upset our Harry Potter fans. We know you have built this series into what it is, and we thank you for your ongoing enthusiasm and support.

If I may offer a silver lining: there would have been a two-year gap between "Half-Blood Prince" and the much-anticipated first part of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," which opens in November 2010.

So although we have to wait a little longer for "Half-Blood Prince," the wait from that film until "Deathly Hallows" will be less than 18 months. I am sorry to have disappointed you now, but if you hold on a little longer, I believe it will be worth the wait.

Alan Horn
President, Chief Operating Officer
Warner Bros.

According to the poll on our main page, 60.3% of voters say it was a bad move on the studio's part, whereas 29.3% don't care either way, and 10.5% believe it was a good move.

Darth Waller
08-20-2008, 09:48 AM
If I may offer a silver lining: there would have been a two-year gap between "Half-Blood Prince" and the much-anticipated first part of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows," which opens in November 2010.

Sorry, but i'd rather have the two-year wait for Deathly Hallows than to have this movied pushed back as far as they did.

Agent0028
08-20-2008, 10:15 AM
Yeah, I can handle a wait that I know is coming. This is like driving to the candy store and getting there to discover they closed early. :(

galactiboy
08-20-2008, 01:57 PM
Sorry, but i'd rather have the two-year wait for Deathly Hallows than to have this movied pushed back as far as they did.

Yeah, that is really one of the weakest spins I've ever heard. I still have to wait 2 years to see the first Hallows movie... how is waiting until July to see Half Blood supposed to make me feel better that they want to make more money :lol

I call douchebaggery :lecture

Darth Waller
08-20-2008, 02:48 PM
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/ryuuku316/douche.jpg

galactiboy
08-20-2008, 06:05 PM
:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock :rock

YoNoSe
09-09-2008, 05:01 PM
Not sure if this is posted elsewhere, but apparently HBP screened in Chicago according to AICN. While I'm not a book purist at all (I'm all for making the films the best FILMS they can be...I can continue loving my books without conflict) it sounds like they made some REALLY bad decisions on this one. Obviously this is a very early look (though not when you consider the original release date) but even so....
http://aintitcool.com/node/38251

Darth Caedus
09-09-2008, 05:25 PM
That BLOWS. Seems that all the romance stuff kind of sucks. I know it's part of the book, but what one of the reviews said, it should be a sub-plot. Seems like they left out the best parts of the book, which is just sad. Which is odd, because Kloves usually is pretty faithful to the books. I hope they really improve on the book and not make it suck.

IronFingaz
09-09-2008, 05:39 PM
:monkey4 :monkey4 :monkey4

That better not be what the final version will be like.

Sachiel
09-09-2008, 09:22 PM
OMFG.

This is horrible. ESPECIALLY the end.

Maybe they'll actually get the last book close to right with it cut into 2 movies, but so ^^^^ing what.

I understand stuff needing to be left out, but then they go an rape what they "leave in".

So much good stuff is left out and what they put in is so little it seems insignificant and forgettable.

pixletwin
09-09-2008, 09:39 PM
I suddenly understand why they postponed the release. Thank goodness. Take the extra 8 months and fix this. If what they describe in their reviews are anywhere near the movies which are released I foresee a backlash of Jar Jar-like proportions.

Buttmunch
09-09-2008, 10:12 PM
Not sounding good at all. Maybe the year delay won't be such a bad thing if they do some reshooting!

Darklord Dave
09-09-2008, 11:30 PM
That doesn't sound promising, but they aren't postponing it to reshoot, just for cash flow. But when I read the book I could just see that last battle on the big screen, and if they've slighted that I will be very disappointed.

The romance is important, but if they're trying to turn HP into Twilight someone has their priorities all ^^^^ed up.

Agent0028
09-10-2008, 07:56 AM
Same here Dave, I've been dying to see the last battle in the movie since I read it.

Mesa
09-10-2008, 09:04 AM
Harry Potter lawsuit settled




As reported on IVC2.com:

Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling has won a landmark “fair use” court case against the small Muskegon Michigan-based publisher RDR Books as U.S. District Court Judge Robert Patterson has ordered that RDR not publish The Harry Potter Lexicon, which is based on a Website created by Steven Vander Ark. The Judge ruled that The Harry Potter Lexicon infringed on Rowling’s copyright and awarded her $750 for each of the seven Harry Potter novels and for the two books she has written about the Harry Potter universe a total of $6,750.

The award is hardly the most important outcome of this case (see “Copyright Battle Threatens Unofficial Guides”), which could have profound influence on the publication of compendia based on popular works. Fair use cases tend to be considered on a case-by-case basis, something that heartened the lawyers from the Stanford Fair Use Project, who were encouraged “by the fact the Court recognized that as a general matter authors do not have the right to stop the publication of reference guides and companion books about literary works.” Still the case could have a chilling effect on major publishers whose legal staffs might be reluctant to put the company in the position of mounting an expensive defense of an “unofficial guide” or compendium based on a popular property.

Warner Bros., which supported Ms. Rowling’s claim, was pleased with the verdict and issued the following statement: “We are obviously pleased with today’s ruling by Judge Patterson supporting the position that the proposed lexicon book infringes on Ms. Rowling’s rights. As a content company, it is imperative that we work vigorously on all fronts to protect the intellectual property rights of those who create the stories and characters, words, pictures and music that entertain and benefit the worldwide audience.”

J.K. Rowling was considerably more subdued in her response: “I took no pleasure at all in bringing legal action and am delighted that this issue has been resolved favourably, I went to court to uphold the right of authors everywhere to protect their own original work… Many books have been published which offer original insights into the world of Harry Potter. The Lexicon just is not one of them.”

RDR Books has not decided whether or not it should appeal the judge’s decision. Certainly this case deals with some of the murkiest and most complicated areas of copyright law, and there are certainly valid points of contention from both sides in this dispute. Judge Patterson took pains in his decision to say that compendium works generally serve a useful function and should be encouraged—the problem is that, in spite of his disclaimer, his decision just might have the opposite effect.

Darth Caedus
09-10-2008, 09:38 AM
OMFG.

This is horrible. ESPECIALLY the end.

Maybe they'll actually get the last book close to right with it cut into 2 movies, but so ^^^^ing what.

I understand stuff needing to be left out, but then they go an rape what they "leave in".

So much good stuff is left out and what they put in is so little it seems insignificant and forgettable.

That final battle as the death eaters escape had SO much emotion in the book, just like the battle at the end of OoTP. If they cut that out, that's just bullcrap.

Darth Waller
09-10-2008, 09:40 AM
I finally got the courage and clicked on the link to Ain't It Cool. I just don't know what to say. :sick

Darth Caedus
09-10-2008, 09:51 AM
I finally got the courage and clicked on the link to Ain't It Cool. I just don't know what to say. :sick

This sums it up pretty well....:monkey2:monkey2:monkey2:monkey2:monkey2

YoNoSe
09-10-2008, 10:00 AM
I finally got the courage and clicked on the link to Ain't It Cool. I just don't know what to say. :sick

I'm not even going to think about it for now. The release date is so far off that anything can happen. Dave is right, they didn't postpone to do reshoots, but maybe the reaction from test screenings will lead them there anyway.

pixletwin
09-10-2008, 10:28 AM
It may only be a matter of re-editing existing footage.

bumblebee
09-10-2008, 10:34 AM
It may only be a matter of re-editing existing footage.



Lets hope thats it, cause it sounds like "as it is now" were in for a let down.

El Roranous
09-10-2008, 10:35 AM
Oh man, this does not sound good....

Rogue Trooper
09-10-2008, 10:39 AM
Does'nt sound good at all, really surprised that it is the way it is.

Sachiel
09-10-2008, 02:49 PM
But when I read the book I could just see that last battle on the big screen, and if they've slighted that I will be very disappointed.



Same here Dave, I've been dying to see the last battle in the movie since I read it.


That final battle as the death eaters escape had SO much emotion in the book, just like the battle at the end of OoTP. If they cut that out, that's just bullcrap.

Exactly. I was tense and my adrenaline was pumping reading it. I could totally see that playing out on screen and was looking forward to seeing it right after getting through it.

I wonder what's going to happen with the last book. Things happen to characters that have been neglected in the movies. I don't think they'll leave them out, but if you haven't read the books, it's going to be hard to feel much of anything.

The movies are so dumbed-down. Some great significant stuff is left out and what is there is barely much, sometimes even a throw away line (which makes it insignificant in the movies).

It's like you have to read the books to get the rest of what's there.

KitFisto
09-10-2008, 03:16 PM
Wow, this sounds bad. I was SO looking forward to this film and it sounds like they cut most of the book out. I hope this gets fixed although I doubt it. How the hell could this script have been accepted????

ProgMatinee
09-10-2008, 03:34 PM
The last film was easily the worst in the franchise. This sounds to be going further into the pit of disappointment.

Darth Caedus
09-10-2008, 10:06 PM
The last film was easily the worst in the franchise. This sounds to be going further into the pit of disappointment.

:lecture:lecture:lecture:lecture:lecture

It's funny. People criticize Columbus' films in saying that they were too literal book-to-film translation. Which to me, isn't such a bad thing. PoA was the the first departure from the books and to me best of the series; but at least that kept the main plot points and issues and tones of the book. Granted OoTP had a lot of fluff to take out, the end for me saved the whole film. As it looks with HBP, they not only messed up the ending, but they also took out crucial points that made the whole book enjoyable. I really hope this film is saved.

tomandshell
09-21-2008, 11:33 PM
Interview with producer:


As you know, Half-Blood Prince screenings were recently held in Chicago, which has given fans an idea what to expect come July 2009. Many were shocked to see the omission of the Battle at Hogwarts and Dumbledore's funeral. Can you explain why these scenes were left out?

DAVID HEYMAN: The reason why we left out the Battle at Hogwarts is because we have a battle at Hogwarts in the Seventh film and we are avoiding repetition. Dumbledore’s funeral was something that I really loved and is a fantastic part of the book and part of me would have loved it in the film. But we decided that while we loved it that what we came up with was the right ending for the film that we had made.

Is it possible that given the delay in release, that Half-Blood Prince may be tweaked, according to the reactions from the screenings?

DAVID HEYMAN: Oh absolutely! The reason for a screening such as the one in Chicago is to give us information about any areas of confusion or pace or any issues that may arise, and work on them. So over the last couple of weeks, we have been working incredibly hard on the cut of the film and we will make changes to improve it. It is something that we have done with every film in the Harry Potter series.

Darth Caedus
09-22-2008, 12:32 AM
Interview with producer:

Well it's official, that guy's a Moron.


DAVID HEYMAN: The reason why we left out the Battle at Hogwarts is because we have a battle at Hogwarts in the Seventh film and we are avoiding repetition

WTF is up with that. That scene had MUCH more than just a battle. If those people can't see that, then that's just sad.

IronFingaz
09-22-2008, 06:50 AM
Well it's official, that guy's a Moron.



WTF is up with that. That scene had MUCH more than just a battle. If those people can't see that, then that's just sad.

:lecture :lecture :lecture

Agent0028
09-22-2008, 07:39 AM
That is the dumbest thing I have heard. Dumbledore's funeral is practically the launch for book 7 imo.

Darth Loki
09-22-2008, 07:49 AM
How the ^^^^ can people be OK with this???? That's the best part of the entire book! I mean there is no action except that part. So is Dumbledore going to live in the movie then? How is he going to die? Isn't that kind of a big part???

I may completely skip this movie if this is the case. How the hell can they ^^^^ up one of the most important parts of the entire series????

Bannister
09-22-2008, 08:49 AM
DAVID HEYMAN: The reason why we left out the Battle at Hogwarts is because we have a battle at Hogwarts in the Seventh film and we are avoiding repetition. Dumbledore’s funeral was something that I really loved and is a fantastic part of the book and part of me would have loved it in the film. But we decided that while we loved it that what we came up with was the right ending for the film that we had made.

Maybe there shouldn't be wizards and witches in this either, since the first five films featured that crap already.:lol:lol:lol

OSCORP
09-22-2008, 08:52 AM
Glad i put off reading the books and am just sticking to the movies otherwise i'd probably be pissed.

pixletwin
09-22-2008, 09:13 AM
Foolish Stupidity, thy name is David Heywood.

Darklord Dave
09-22-2008, 10:12 AM
It's David Heyman, actually. And wouldn't the big battle at Hogwart's be in the 8th film? The 7th will just be a a lot of camping scenes. Maybe Harry should join the Boy Scouts.

Darth Loki
09-22-2008, 11:44 AM
It's David Heyman, actually. And wouldn't the big battle at Hogwart's be in the 8th film? The 7th will just be a a lot of camping scenes. Maybe Harry should join the Boy Scouts.

Why does everyone say that about the 7th book? There were only a few camping chapters and most of them were really good. You have the one early when Ron leaves (vital to the story), then they go to Godric's Hollow. And then the chapter where Ron comes back. It's not like they're going to spend an hour of that movie in the woods.

The Mike
09-22-2008, 11:48 AM
^^^^ this movie. ^^^^ it. The ending of the book including the Battle at Hogwarts is the perfect climax. How else do they plan to show the fulfilling of the pact with Snape, etc? This movie just screwed the pooch and if its left unchanged I guarantee you that Potter fans will not only bash the hell of this film but protest it completely. People who go to book launch parties are not the people you want to mess with....you'd think someone in the production team would realize that.

Agent0028
09-22-2008, 12:11 PM
^^^^ this movie. ^^^^ it. The ending of the book including the Battle at Hogwarts is the perfect climax. How else do they plan to show the fulfilling of the pact with Snape, etc? This movie just screwed the pooch and if its left unchanged I guarantee you that Potter fans will not only bash the hell of this film but protest it completely. People who go to book launch parties are not the people you want to mess with....you'd think someone in the production team would realize that.

That's the truth, when I went with my cousin for Deathly Hallows she was ready to usurp the manager and start barking orders at the employees because she didn't feel it was organized enough.

pixletwin
09-22-2008, 12:18 PM
It's David Heyman, actually. And wouldn't the big battle at Hogwart's be in the 8th film? The 7th will just be a a lot of camping scenes. Maybe Harry should join the Boy Scouts.

Who cares what his name is? If he can't see how important Dumbledor's funeral is to the overall story his name can be Mud for all I care.

Darth Caedus
09-22-2008, 12:59 PM
Who cares what his name is? If he can't see how important Dumbledor's funeral is to the overall story his name can be Mud for all I care.

Like it was said in his book, Dumbledore's death represents that harry is truly on his own from that moment on, making his own destiny. His last and greatest defenders was dead and it was up to him (and friends) alone to stop Voldemort. Still can't believe that they are leaving that part out

Wetanut
09-22-2008, 05:06 PM
And to think.....he's on for the final film(s). I'm just so very thrilled. :banghead :read :bborg :stake

Darklord Dave
09-22-2008, 05:57 PM
I have to think they'll handle Dumbledore's death okay. I think how Sirius' death was done was better in the movie than in the book. It was much more final in the film, whereas the way the book was written I was sure he was coming back. It's the same producing team, so hopefully Albus will get a worthwhile send off.

YoNoSe
09-22-2008, 07:08 PM
I'm more interested in seeing the chase across the Hogwarts lawn than Dumbledore's funeral. It's the death and the effect it has on Harry that matter more than the ceremony.

Darth Caedus
09-22-2008, 07:43 PM
I'm more interested in seeing the chase across the Hogwarts lawn than Dumbledore's funeral. It's the death and the effect it has on Harry that matter more than the ceremony.

From what we said earlier in the thread, apparently they just show the death eaters walking out of hogwarts after the scene with Dumbledore. So you won't even get that either.

YoNoSe
09-22-2008, 07:56 PM
From what we said earlier in the thread, apparently they just show the death eaters walking out of hogwarts after the scene with Dumbledore. So you won't even get that either.

I thought that was just in reference to the death scene. I didn't think that was the actual end of the movie, but who knows?
I'm actually encouraged by the interview. At least there is a possibility that they will may make changes in the meantime. Regardless, I don't think anyone is out to make a bad movie on purpose and I think even the worst of the series so far have been made with good intentions. It is possible when interpreting the novels to film that you can lose sight of some of the fundamentals. Hopefully the test screenings will make it clear that the audience wants the landmark scenes even if the creative team feels they don't need them to get the point across.

Buttmunch
09-22-2008, 08:01 PM
I have to think they'll handle Dumbledore's death okay. I think how Sirius' death was done was better in the movie than in the book. It was much more final in the film, whereas the way the book was written I was sure he was coming back. It's the same producing team, so hopefully Albus will get a worthwhile send off.

While more final, I thought Sirus' Death was terrible in the last film. It felt forced. "Oh yeah, Gary, sorry but we have to kill you right here." "Oh, OK then." BOOM. The end.

The book was much more emotional, but it definately was more ambigious, like Two-Face.

Darth Caedus
09-22-2008, 08:07 PM
While more final, I thought Sirus' Death was terrible in the last film. It felt forced. "Oh yeah, Gary, sorry but we have to kill you right here." "Oh, OK then." BOOM. The end.

The book was much more emotional, but it definately was more ambigious, like Two-Face.

At first, Rowling never really described which curse had hit him and then him dissapearing through the veil. At first, I think she might have wanted to leave it up to the reader's interpretation of what happened to him. She kind of left you a glimmer of hope that maybe, possibly, he might come back. I, myself, thought that he might come back, or at least wished it to happen; he was one of my favorite characters. Then later, it is mentioned that the dead are seperated to the living, as if by a veil, kinda left a sense of finality to the subject.

But the film gave you a "OH, HE'S DEAD" moment.

Agent0028
09-22-2008, 08:52 PM
I liked the book version of Sirius' death because it allowed me at least to feel the same way that Harry did, I empathized with him as opposed sympathizing with him.

Sachiel
09-22-2008, 09:12 PM
So is the "COWARD!" part even going to be in? Or does that get left out with the rest of the finale.

Anyways, the huge scene at the end of book 7 won't be till movie 8 (if we can trust them to split the book into 2 parts and not make a non-existent 8th :rolleyes:). Plus it was a lot bigger. Like the end of Fellowship compared to Helm's Deep, maybe even the attack on Minas Tirith.

When you put it down to the basics, there's already a lot of repetition.

Darth Loki
09-23-2008, 07:07 AM
I hope they don't have any magic in the 6th film because it's been done to death in the first 5 already :rolleyes:

ProgMatinee
09-23-2008, 07:32 AM
Unfortunately, one can say that the "magic" has slowly been disappearing from the films since Sorcerers Stone. SS had so much whimsy to it, its a far cry from the last film. They need to put back the "awe" in the films but maintain the darkness of the story.

Darth Caedus
09-23-2008, 12:40 PM
Unfortunately, one can say that the "magic" has slowly been disappearing from the films since Sorcerers Stone. SS had so much whimsy to it, its a far cry from the last film. They need to put back the "awe" in the films but maintain the darkness of the story.

:rotfl:rotfl That's one of the reasons why I love the first film. Really truly put you in another world, while the others (besides PoA) really try to ground the stories. Hope they change that, but I doubt it.


So is the "COWARD!" part even going to be in? Or does that get left out with the rest of the finale.

Anyways, the huge scene at the end of book 7 won't be till movie 8 (if we can trust them to split the book into 2 parts and not make a non-existent 8th :rolleyes:). Plus it was a lot bigger. Like the end of Fellowship compared to Helm's Deep, maybe even the attack on Minas Tirith.

When you put it down to the basics, there's already a lot of repetition.

If Harry and Snape don't have the "coward" fight scene at the end, then there really is no reason to introduce the Half-Blood Prince's book or even call it that. Can't believe these morons who made this film.

Agent0028
09-23-2008, 12:46 PM
Not having the final battle seems to do away with the reason for Dumbledore's Army. In my opinion all of that was Rowling building up the student's ability to assist in defending Hogwarts. Without that scene alot of the DA scene in the last movie lose their poignancy imo.

The Mike
10-05-2008, 05:04 PM
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/10/03/harry-potter-munch.jpg

Oct 3 2008:Before You Buy That Harry Potter Desk Calendar Just for the Photos...

Here they are! (via JoBlo) Yes, whoever made the Harry Potter desk calendar this year committed a grave error: they included unreleased studio images from whatever Harry Potter movie we're on at this point! And now someone on a LiveJournal community has posted all 40-some of them, so enjoy.

Link for the pics:

http://community.livejournal.com/hbpmoviepics/45818.html

Darth Caedus
10-05-2008, 05:06 PM
Is this supposed to be Lavendar Brown???

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1259/desk11ma2.jpg

No idea who this is either

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5466/desk43ht7.jpg

Nor her

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7971/desk47wc0.jpg

KitFisto
10-05-2008, 05:07 PM
Yeah, that's her.

Darth Loki
10-05-2008, 05:15 PM
I can't wait for this movie to come out in 7 weeks.

Oh wait........................

I can't wait so see some movie about vampires in 7 weeks :monkey2

Darth Caedus
10-05-2008, 05:17 PM
I can't wait so see some movie about vampires in 7 weeks :monkey2

http://www.typophile.com/files/yay-gay.jpg

IronFingaz
11-07-2008, 06:35 PM
New international teaser leaked...

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=49998

wookster
11-07-2008, 07:02 PM
I'm expecting the full wrath of the JK Rowling mafia to come down upon me, but I aint never read none of her books or nuffin, I did however try to get into the movies, but after the first film (which had a coolness to it) all the other just blend into one... kinda dull and messy, especially the last one, very messy!

Darklord Dave
11-07-2008, 10:32 PM
The trailer was great - it does reinforce my worry about Gambon being the weakest link. The shot of him on the island was brilliant though.

tomandshell
11-14-2008, 10:57 AM
Links to new trailer (scroll down to 11/14):

http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=11750

pixletwin
11-14-2008, 11:25 AM
That trailer actually assuages the feelings I had that this movie may be a train wreck.

OSCORP
11-14-2008, 11:33 AM
Looks good to me, but then again i don't read the books.


July is still a stupid time for a release. (we should be seeing this NOW!)

pixletwin
11-14-2008, 03:55 PM
uly is still a stupid time for a release. (we should be seeing this NOW!)

:lecture :lecture

Harry Potter movies = Christmas for me.

Entropy
11-14-2008, 09:41 PM
That trailer actually assuages the feelings I had that this movie may be a train wreck.

I agree. Thank goodness Steve Kloves is back writing the script.

And I wish this were coming out this year. :monkey2

CelticPredator
11-14-2008, 09:45 PM
SS is the best in the series. Along with COS, and POA. '

The rest suck IMO.

El Roranous
11-14-2008, 09:56 PM
That trailer was great. I am looking forward to it.

Also, it appears as though someone finally gave that "new" Dumbledore some acting lessons. Hopefully he isn't so harsh, or rough as he has been in the last few films. Dumbledore is gentle not clumsy and oafish.

Darth Caedus
11-15-2008, 11:04 AM
I must saw, that trailer makes the movie not look ridiculous like the first one did. Still think we should be seeing it his month though..........

UTtoyfan
01-07-2009, 09:59 PM
What do you guys think about them going back to the 'PG' rating? I love Harry Potter and all, but I imagined the last two books as being more 'PG-13' in tone. Oh well, I still will watch it nevertheless. Maybe it'll be a hard 'PG'?
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/1/7/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince-rated-pg
http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_SrchReslts.asp

Darth Caedus
01-07-2009, 10:24 PM
What do you guys think about them going back to the 'PG' rating? I love Harry Potter and all, but I imagined the last two books as being more 'PG-13' in tone. Oh well, I still will watch it nevertheless. Maybe it'll be a hard 'PG'?
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2009/1/7/harry-potter-and-the-half-blood-prince-rated-pg
http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_SrchReslts.asp

Kinda bummed about this. There are plenty of PG-13 worthy scenes from the book, but they want to sell more tickets, so drop it down to PG. :monkey2:monkey2

The tone from the trailers don't make it seem like a PG film too.

Havok
01-07-2009, 10:25 PM
Yeah I would prefer PG-13 also, but I'll still see it. It should still be good regardless. Maybe the last one will be PG-13.

Darklord Dave
01-07-2009, 11:16 PM
Well, if they're cutting out the big battle I don't know that there's any real violence in this episode. The scene with Dumbledore being tortured by drinking the potion could be intense, but perhaps Gambon doesn't put any effort into it and it's not too disturbing.

tomandshell
01-08-2009, 01:24 AM
Never would have expected them to go back to a PG this late in the series.

The Mike
01-08-2009, 01:26 AM
I have never read any of the Harry Potter books except "The Half Blood Prince" simply because I loved the movies and thought all of them were great. I only read HBP because after Order of the Phoenix and seeing Sirius die I wanted to find out what happened next. This particular book has such a dark feel and a dark tone I would have thought they'd push the lines of a PG-13 instead of revert backwards.....

DinoLast
01-08-2009, 02:59 AM
I think this is a stupid move by WB. The first film is seven years old, so most of the fans are now adults or teenagers.

Entropy
01-08-2009, 03:55 AM
Ugh. I've given up hope of this being what it could. Damn you David Yates! :mad:

Memnoch
01-08-2009, 06:30 AM
Ugh. I've given up hope of this being what it could. Damn you David Yates! :mad:

I gave up hope for this series after seeing GoF. After that horrid adaptation I just view them as fun popcorn flicks but not serious adaptions of the books.

Agent0028
01-08-2009, 09:04 AM
I think any kid who has seen the graveyard scene in GoF can probably handle anything in the next few movies that would make it PG-13.

wookster
01-08-2009, 09:16 AM
I think this is a stupid move by WB. The first film is seven years old, so most of the fans are now adults or teenagers.

Yeah but kids still love these books, they're as popular as ever with tweenies so with kid pester power comes bums on seats!

ProgMatinee
01-08-2009, 09:34 AM
I HATED the tone of the last film so if going back to PG at leasts brings them away from visually overwhelming the film with gloom and doom then I'm for it. Yes, I've read the books several times. I personally felt they overdid the darkness of the last film and the mysticism of the Potter universe was severly lacking.

They need to bring some "magic" back and part of that is done by being a bit more lighthearted even within the events of the last novels.

wookster
01-08-2009, 09:46 AM
I have to admit I haven't read the books, more of a fan of 'His Dark Materials' by Pullman (and look what happened there!) but the last couple of HP movies were realy messy IMHO.

Wolf873
01-08-2009, 10:22 AM
I have never been fan of HP movies, I think they are ok at best. I only found 1s, 2nd and 4th to be watchable so far. I only watch them for sake of having a visual aspect to the stories, though I can just imagine it while reading :). The reason is, they cut out most of the parts, I mean just look at 2nd movie. It was longer than the latest one, even though the 5th book was fatter than last 4 :s. Also, the kid actors are worst kid actors ever, only Ron manages to come up as convincing. It's been 5 movies and they haven't improved.

T.E.D
01-08-2009, 10:27 AM
I have never been fan of HP movies, I think they are ok at best. I only found 1s, 2nd and 4th to be watchable so far. I only watch them for sake of having a visual aspect to the stories, though I can just imagine it while reading :). The reason is, they cut out most of the parts, I mean just look at 2nd movie. It was longer than the latest one, even though the 5th book was fatter than last 4 :s. Also, the kid actors are worst kid actors ever, only Ron manages to come up as convincing. It's been 5 movies and they haven't improved.

That is only because Rupert Grint is as useless as an actor as Ron is as a character so they match well. Having said that i am looking forward to the new one.

Wolf873
01-08-2009, 11:27 AM
That is only because Rupert Grint is as useless as an actor as Ron is as a character so they match well. Having said that i am looking forward to the new one.

Not really, Ron is not useless. He's been helpful quiet a few times and has proven to be a trustworthy friend to Harry, even if they quarreled a bit. I see Hermoine as more of stranger in the midst, since she is the brains and thinks differently than the two. In any case, the new movie would be sad, since Dumbledore would be making his last appearance.

T.E.D
01-08-2009, 11:39 AM
Not really, Ron is not useless. He's been helpful quiet a few times and has proven to be a trustworthy friend to Harry, even if they quarreled a bit. I see Hermoine as more of stranger in the midst, since she is the brains and thinks differently than the two. In any case, the new movie would be sad, since Dumbledore would be making his last appearance.

Unless they film the heaven/train station section for the seventh film which i really hope they do, it always reminded me of the scene between luke and ben on dagobah in ROTJ

Havok
01-08-2009, 01:23 PM
Well if they stick to the plan of making the last movie a 2 parter, then there really shouldn't be anything cut out of it. It should be nice to have the last movie with pretty much everything from the book in it.

Wolf873
01-08-2009, 01:28 PM
Not really, Ron is not useless. He's been helpful quiet a few times and has proven to be a trustworthy friend to Harry, even if they quarreled a bit. I see Hermoine as more of stranger in the midst, since she is the brains and thinks differently than the two. In any case, the new movie would be sad, since Dumbledore would be making his last appearance.

Unless they film the heaven/train station section for the seventh film which i really hope they do, it always reminded me of the scene between luke and ben on dagobah in ROTJ

They should include that scene, it is unavoidable. As Havok said, since the movie is two parter, we have little to worry about the last film. That is the one I'm most looking forward to :). I actually forgot about that scene and that Dumbledore was in it, so not really his last appearance in the upcoming film.

Entropy
01-08-2009, 02:33 PM
I gave up hope for this series after seeing GoF. After that horrid adaptation I just view them as fun popcorn flicks but not serious adaptions of the books.

I actually quite like GoF and think, for the most part, it's a solid adaptation. The grave yard scene especially is a great scene. I certainly like that the film does a better job of hinting and reminding about the goblet, Mad Eye, polyjuice mystery than the book does. They do drop the ball with the maze finale.

The Potter film that really stunk it up was the last one, OotP. David Yates' ham fisted direction and poor pacing ruining that one.

wofford29
01-13-2009, 02:42 PM
So I just saw "Order of the Phoenix" again ,(it's still the only one I've seen) and I really don't understand why I keep hearing people on here say that the guy that plays Dumbledore is a bad actor. What gives?

KitFisto
01-13-2009, 02:45 PM
So I just saw "Order of the Phoenix" again ,(it's still the only one I've seen) and I really don't understand why I keep hearing people on here say that the guy that plays Dumbledore is a bad actor. What gives?

He's "bad" as Dumbledore. Richard Harris played DD in the first 2 films and played the character perfectly.

wofford29
01-13-2009, 02:47 PM
He's "bad" as Dumbledore. Richard Harris played DD in the first 2 films and played the character perfectly.

What makes him bad?

pixletwin
01-13-2009, 02:49 PM
That first Dumbledore had a much more... I dunno... ethereal and wizzened-wise air. Michael Gamdon is good as Dumbledore but he lacks... something.... as Dumbledore.

That being said, I think his acting is fine.

KitFisto
01-13-2009, 02:49 PM
What makes him bad?

The fact that IMO ( and many people's opinions ) he does not play the character well at all when put against the books. Richard Harris was like DD jumping out of the book and on screen. Gambon's take on the character isn't really close to the way the character is in the books. The fit of his acting style to the actual character in the books is a bad "fit" if that makes more sense.

wofford29
01-13-2009, 02:55 PM
So it has nothing to do with his acting per se, it's about how he's playing the character?

KitFisto
01-13-2009, 03:03 PM
So it has nothing to do with his acting per se, it's about how he's playing the character?

Yeah....At least that's how I and I know many others think. He's not a bad actor, but he's a bad fit for this character.

The Mike
01-13-2009, 04:13 PM
Richard Harris had a sage, Gandalf type quality to Dumbledore. He felt regal and powerful on screen. While Gambon is fine, he doesn't have the same presence that Harris had, he seems less powerful and less forceful even as DD gets mad.

Darklord Dave
01-13-2009, 04:37 PM
I think it's that he's just not playing the character in the books, almost all the choices he makes seem wrong - and it does seem like he's not putting much effort into it.

He has been quoted as saying he doesn't bother to read the books and just let's the director give him everything about the character.

Jen
01-13-2009, 04:38 PM
I think it's that he's just not playing the character in the books, almost all the choices he makes seem wrong - and it does seem like he's not putting much effort into it.

He has been quoted as saying he doesn't bother to read the books and just let's the director give him everything about the character.

Well that there is the problem. :lol The books should be required reading for anyone playing a role, imo.

Agent0028
01-13-2009, 04:50 PM
I agree that he should read the books to know more about the character. Yet at the same time it would seem even more important that the director read the books and direct the actor to be like the character. It seems that if the director has a good grasp on the character that he could pass it on to the actor.

The thing I like about this version of Dumbledore versus the first one is that the first one seemed to much like a ripoff of Merlin. He also seemed a little too old and frail, I have a hard time seeing that Dumbledore doing some of the stuff he does in later books.

Havok
01-13-2009, 05:30 PM
I think Richard Harris played Dumbledore better than Gambon does, but I like what they both brought/bring to the character. I also think that Gambon should read the books too, and maybe it would improve his interpretation of the character. Like Agent said though, I too have a hard time seeing Richard Harris' version of Dumbledore doing some of the more physical stuff. Also it seems like Gambon's Dumbledore has less of a connection with Harry. All in all though I'm happy with his performance, like I said it's his own take on the character.

IronFingaz
01-13-2009, 05:34 PM
I wish they had gone with Peter O'Toole instead.

Havok
01-13-2009, 05:35 PM
How about Ian McKellen? :D

Giant Chicken
01-13-2009, 05:51 PM
I miss Richard Harris very much. He definatley potrayed Dumboldore as the security blanket that the book made him out to be. I hated Gambon at first because he seemed like Harry's crazy uncle or something. He has slowley gotten better over the 4th and 5th films and I very much enjoyed his fight scene in the last film.

Sachiel
01-13-2009, 06:28 PM
In the 4th movie I was expecting him to fall down and start foaming at the mouth.

Entropy
01-13-2009, 06:58 PM
Funny, I liked Gambon in PoA and have progressively disliked him more in each film.

Darth Caedus
01-13-2009, 11:38 PM
I miss Richard Harris very much. He definatley potrayed Dumboldore as the security blanket that the book made him out to be. I hated Gambon at first because he seemed like Harry's crazy uncle or something. He has slowley gotten better over the 4th and 5th films and I very much enjoyed his fight scene in the last film.

Gambon sure brings the eccentric part of Dumbledore to life, but he has ZERO of his compassion, empathy, and gentleness that I got from him throughout the books.

Harris had the perfect mannerisms, voice, benevolence, and gentleness that brought the character to life. Too bad Gambon didn't study Harris' performance beforehand. I know he would want to put his own spin on the character, but he should have stayed with what Harris pulled off.

Agent0028
01-14-2009, 09:02 AM
I do have a hard time seeing the current Dumbledore do the scene at the end of Sorcerer's Stone where he has the every flavor bean and its earwax.

Anyone know why she changed the title from Philosopher's Stone to Sorcerer's Stone for the American edition?

pixletwin
01-14-2009, 09:16 AM
Because sorcerer sounds more exciting than philosopher. One conjures up images of magic and mystery while the other conjures up images of carigan sweaters and cluttered university offices. :dunno

Darth Caedus
01-14-2009, 11:37 AM
Because sorcerer sounds more exciting than philosopher. One conjures up images of magic and mystery while the other conjures up images of carigan sweaters and cluttered university offices. :dunno
Here's one explanation

This was a marketing decision made by author Rowling and Scholastic, the publishing house that released the novel in the United States. The decision to change Philosopher to Sorcerer was made because, in the U.S., a philosopher connotes a scholar of philosophy, ethics, metaphysics, logic, and other related fields. Philosopher does not typically connote an alchemist or magician, and magic is essential to the Harry Potter books. Consequently, the publisher suggested using another word with a more magical connotation, and Rowling suggested Sorcerer. Rowling gives this explanation: "Arthur Levine, my American editor, and I decided that words should be altered only where we felt they would be incomprehensible, even in context, to an American reader... The title change was Arthur's idea initially, because he felt that the British title gave a misleading idea of the subject matter. In England, we discussed several alternative titles and Sorcerer's Stone was my idea."

pixletwin
01-14-2009, 11:59 AM
:chewie :chewie :chewie :chewie

Agent0028
01-14-2009, 12:39 PM
I can understand the reason for changing it, but excuse me while I let me arrogance show for a moment.

Heaven forbid Americans may know the legend of the Philosopher's Stone and call it by its proper name.

Okay, I feel better now.

ProgMatinee
01-14-2009, 12:45 PM
I do feel that Sorcere's Stone works better with the alliteration that is frequent in Rowling books.

Darth Waller
01-14-2009, 12:51 PM
I got so ticked at the name change, when it came out on DVD, I bought the Canadian version so I could have the proper name. :banana

The Mike
01-14-2009, 12:58 PM
I can understand the reason for changing it, but excuse me while I let me arrogance show for a moment. Heaven forbid Americans may know the legend of the Philosopher's Stone and call it by its proper name. Okay, I feel better now.

Personally, I haven't read any of the books but one (HBP) but I'm more interested in snagging the UK versions, I heard they were longer and there was a bit of stuff in it that wasn't in the US versions....so I want to know the Philosopher's Stone legend and I'm American!! :D

UTtoyfan
03-07-2009, 04:46 PM
With 'Watchmen' and the new Star Trek trailer, I'm surprised no one posted this yet.(not really, I'm sure we're all excited about 'Watchmen' :D) New HBP trailer!

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809791044/video/12342139

Darklord Dave
03-07-2009, 05:14 PM
With 'Watchmen' and the new Star Trek trailer, I'm surprised no one posted this yet.(not really, I'm sure we're all excited about 'Watchmen' :D) New HBP trailer!

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809791044/video/12342139

Very nice. I'm sorry I read the early comments about the screenings of this film - the trailers are giving me more confidence that it's going to be good. I'm even feeling a little better about Gambon.

Agent0028
03-07-2009, 05:57 PM
It does look like its going to be good, I still have concerns though.

IronFingaz
03-07-2009, 06:04 PM
Looks great :rock I'm still very excited about it but... the one thing that worries me is how they did the ending.

OSCORP
03-07-2009, 06:11 PM
Looks good to me, have not read the books though.

GrueSam
03-07-2009, 06:44 PM
Looks good to me, have not read the books though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/gruesam/Emoticons/b_rotten.gif

Agent0028
03-07-2009, 06:54 PM
Looks good to me, have not read the books though.

:tap :read

KitFisto
03-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Trailers look good, but I am still worried about the important stuff they left out.

UTtoyfan
03-07-2009, 07:40 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/gruesam/Emoticons/b_rotten.gif

:lol:lol
Is that a dead banana?

Scar
03-07-2009, 07:54 PM
I was always just a fan of the movies and hadn't read the books until after seeing the fifth movie. My impetus was that on the ride back from the movie's midnight show, two of my friends just ^^^^^ed non-stop about how it sucked and the book was light-years better... only to later admit that the book was their least liked of the series. I went through the book series in about a month, and I actually think the books really hit their stride in the fifth, which contained surprisingly concrete political undertones and was written for a more mature audience. That said, just because the movie was different than the book doesn't make the movie poor in and of itself. OOTP was actually quite excellent.

I don't like to directly compare movies to the books upon which they were based; different mediums, different translations of the tale. I like to consider them separate stories, different interpretations of the same events and characters. I'm looking forward to HBP immensely, and even if it diverges greatly from the book it should be spectacular. Anxious to see Snape thrust back into the fore.

Agent0028
03-07-2009, 08:26 PM
Anxious to see Snape thrust back into the fore.

That's what she said.

Entropy
03-07-2009, 08:31 PM
OOTP was actually quite excellent.


Ugh. I really dislike both OotP the book and film. Hopefully David Yates doesn't screw up HBP too badly, it's my fav.

Scar
03-07-2009, 08:44 PM
That's what she said.

:lol:monkey1:lol


Ugh. I really dislike both OotP the book and film. Hopefully David Yates doesn't screw up HBP too badly, it's my fav.

Both the book and screenplay were written more for dialogue and the consequences of action than action itself. It's one of those necessary tales that ties together arcs, being that Voldemort just returned and it's an attempt at getting the word out while that word is being oppressed by those trying to cover it up.

HBP, though, is just jam-packed with action. It should be magnificent all around.

pixletwin
03-08-2009, 12:25 AM
Oooo. I have a bit more faith this will not suck.

Buttmunch
03-08-2009, 01:46 AM
I sure hope the extra 8 months of waiting were used to improve the film. It wouldn't make any sense not to with that amount of time. I'm still pissed about this being delayed 8 months because the Dark Knight did so freaking well at the box office. If Watchmen ends up being a hit we may never see this released.

Havok
03-08-2009, 01:54 AM
I think the trailer looks great, I'm really looking forward to the movie. I've pretty much come to expect things to be cut from them by now, but hopefully they'll keep pretty much everything in the last one since it's being split up into two movies.

Darth Caedus
03-08-2009, 01:44 PM
Seeing it during watchmen got me more amped to see the film.

Scar
03-08-2009, 02:00 PM
Seeing it during watchmen got me more amped to see the film.

I actually don't even remember what trailers were attached with Watchmen... I kept hoping for Terminator, but other than Wolverine I can't recall any.

Scar
03-08-2009, 02:06 PM
Also, this trailer wasn't all that remarkable. Michael Gambon does an excellent job in the trailer emoting and getting across Dumbledore's affliction and sadness. Other than that it seemed to be mostly recycled footage from previous trailers with new dialogue. Still very much pumped, though.

Batty
04-16-2009, 01:53 PM
New trailer tonight.

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pixletwin
04-16-2009, 02:00 PM
Cool. I also heard that they changed the release date.

Agent0028
04-16-2009, 02:18 PM
Earlier or later?

pixletwin
04-16-2009, 02:21 PM
earlier. I don't remember. It was only a couple days or a week.

Agent0028
04-16-2009, 02:26 PM
Better than later.

Batty
04-16-2009, 11:47 PM
July 15th. Here's the new tailer. They sure do show a lot.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/harrypotterandthehalfbloodprince/

plasmid303
04-16-2009, 11:58 PM
Yes, I wish they hadn't shown so many plot points in that trailer. I suggest avoiding it if you aren't already familiar with the story, regardless of how epic it is.

pixletwin
04-17-2009, 07:28 AM
Looks pretty damn fandabulous to me. Can't wait! :rock

Darth Caedus
04-17-2009, 08:14 AM
Does look great, but they are revealing tons about the plot of the film. And I'm surprised that they tell you straight out that Draco has a mission....it was a red herring in the book until the end

Even though we should have seen this film about 5 months ago :banghead:banghead:banghead:banghead

Agent0028
04-17-2009, 08:36 AM
Damn, that does look good.

ProgMatinee
04-17-2009, 09:54 AM
That looks great. I really hope this redeems the last one which I though was by far the worst of the franchise.

pixletwin
04-17-2009, 10:02 AM
I think it seems like it reveals too much for those who have read the book. I just showed it to a coworker and she said it looked interesting but it didn't seem to reveal anything.

OSCORP
04-17-2009, 10:46 AM
Looks good. Still should not come out in summer though.

Idiots!

Darklord Dave
04-17-2009, 11:18 AM
It does look pretty cool and creepy. Kind of surprised it got a PG instead of PG-13, with all the darkness.

Agent0028
04-17-2009, 11:19 AM
Were the last two PG or PG13?

HdoubleD
04-17-2009, 01:48 PM
It does look pretty cool and creepy. Kind of surprised it got a PG instead of PG-13, with all the darkness.

It was a 2 minute trailer, its impossible to tell what rating it deserved, without seeing the film.

It looked very promising though......

pixletwin
04-17-2009, 01:57 PM
In the book when Harry does the spell on Draco, I can't imagine that passing a PG rating. Has anyone heard whether this was cut or tones down?

IronFingaz
04-17-2009, 05:34 PM
Were the last two PG or PG13?

They were PG13's. The first 3 were PG.

Agent0028
04-17-2009, 07:31 PM
I thought so. Seems odd they would go back to PG, especially since things are only getting more intense as the story progresses.

Memnoch
04-17-2009, 08:21 PM
I dont think its odd. Cut things or tone things down so that more kids can go see it and bring the parents to add to the box office.

darthviper107
04-17-2009, 09:55 PM
I wonder why they don't have a ratings system for books--perhaps ratings are flawed?

Memnoch
04-17-2009, 10:13 PM
Id say because for a long time most of the population was illiterate so they didn't need to control them but anyone can watch a movie, hence the need to control and restrict.

Sachiel
04-18-2009, 01:17 AM
Does look great, but they are revealing tons about the plot of the film. And I'm surprised that they tell you straight out that Draco has a mission....it was a red herring in the book until the end

Even though we should have seen this film about 5 months ago :banghead:banghead:banghead:banghead

What?

It's said in the beginning of the book.

Darth Caedus
04-18-2009, 10:41 AM
What?

It's said in the beginning of the book.

Well, you really didn't know what he was going to do.....I meant to the main characters (Harry/Herm/Ron). I could see for movie purposes, to leave that another mystery to solve towards the end of the film, to people who have not read the book.

Just noticed something as I watched it again, was that Bellatrix running along the tables towards the end of the trailer?

Agent0028
04-18-2009, 03:35 PM
Looked like it to me.

Darth Caedus
05-21-2009, 05:43 PM
Actually looks really good

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41156

Plus they have the music from Prisoner of Azkaban (which is the best IMO)

The Mike
05-21-2009, 07:16 PM
Wow...they do give out a lot. Especially the "Fight back Coward" sequence if you are paying attention.

Darth Caedus
05-21-2009, 08:13 PM
Wow...they do give out a lot. Especially the "Fight back Coward" sequence if you are paying attention.

Well, they're assuming that most people in the universe have read the books; which is probably true at this point.

Agent0028
05-21-2009, 08:16 PM
And for those who haven't :read

lerath666
05-31-2009, 08:10 AM
I do have a hard time seeing the current Dumbledore do the scene at the end of Sorcerer's Stone where he has the every flavor bean and its earwax.

Anyone know why she changed the title from Philosopher's Stone to Sorcerer's Stone for the American edition?


I can understand the reason for changing it, but excuse me while I let me arrogance show for a moment.

Heaven forbid Americans may know the legend of the Philosopher's Stone and call it by its proper name.

Okay, I feel better now.


LOL Necroquote.

Had to chime in here. the Title of that particular book is not all that was changed. there are several pasages in the earlier books that were changed becuase there was concern of "occult references" in the books, and an attempt was made to drive a early wedge there to avoid the sterotypical "americian Moral right" nonsense that still wants to burn witches at the stake. along with pokemon cards, magic the gathering and dungeons and dragons books.

As some of you may know, this was only marginaly sucsessful.

Idiocy like that makes me ashamed of my country some times.

Darth Caedus
05-31-2009, 11:44 AM
LOL Necroquote.

Had to chime in here. the Title of that particular book is not all that was changed. there are several pasages in the earlier books that were changed becuase there was concern of "occult references" in the books, and an attempt was made to drive a early wedge there to avoid the sterotypical "americian Moral right" nonsense that still wants to burn witches at the stake. along with pokemon cards, magic the gathering and dungeons and dragons books.

As some of you may know, this was only marginaly sucsessful.

Idiocy like that makes me ashamed of my country some times.

Well, I think the moderations made for the first book was more aimed at making it commercial in the US then trying to avoid occult references. THE PHILOSPOHER'S STONE isn't really known in the US. We known it at being called something else. I've read both versions and there were some passages and explanations that used different diction and verbage that I wasn't used to; I even had to look some up because I had no idea WTF Rowling was talking about :rotfl:rotfl

You have to remember, the publishers didn't know that these books were going to be a HUGE success. They just wanted to sell as many copies as possible; and changing it so most US KIDS could understand it was the highest priority. Sure, many US Adults know what a philosopher's stone is, but the books were primarily written for childres, who would have no idea what that is.

I think the whole debate and situation with occult references and anti-witchcraft resentment because public once the books became a smash hit and people became aware of it. Which is pretty sad if you ask me....

Agent0028
05-31-2009, 03:54 PM
Yeah, but I didn't know what a sorcerer's stone was either until I read the book. Honestly I may not have been familiar with the philosopher's stone at that time either. When the kid's read it they would have known what it was then at some point they may come across it again and realized its not a creation by Rowling. Although by that same token when they hear about the philosopher's stone they'll recognize it as as the sorcerer's stone. Someone dumb must have pissed me off before I wrote that. :lol

ProgMatinee
05-31-2009, 04:25 PM
i think the reigious right gets overrated. 200 people get worked up over Harry Potter and everyone thinks theres a major uprising.

lerath666
05-31-2009, 04:33 PM
dosn't matter if it's 200people, or 2. or 2 million. it's still retarded.

ProgMatinee
05-31-2009, 04:43 PM
dosn't matter if it's 200people, or 2. or 2 million. it's still retarded.


well there are a lot of things that a retarded. probably more people think harry potter is real than people that think harry potter is bad.

pixletwin
05-31-2009, 04:56 PM
I don't think there was anything more behind the title change than the fact that to most American's SORCERER sounds more exciting than PHILOSOPHER. Anything else was just publicity flap-flap.

Buttmunch
06-09-2009, 03:57 PM
I watched OotP again the other day and started listening to this (HBP) again at work. Jim Dale does an amazing job. I've listened to a lot of audiobooks over the past few months and Dale is still the best with his vocalizations that are distinct for every character. Its really gotten me excited for this film again. Hopefully it isn't as bad as the early reviews of it were. They've had almost another year to improve it anyway.

But it still amazes me we haven't gotten any 1:6 figures from this gold mine. I'm assuming the kid's heights have been a big problem for most companies from doing it, but now that they are fully grown I don't see that as an excuse any more. Heck, Sideshow still has that underused Hobbit body lying around. At least NECA's 7" figures have been fairly decent.

Darth Caedus
06-09-2009, 05:33 PM
I watched OotP again the other day and started listening to this (HBP) again at work. Jim Dale does an amazing job. I've listened to a lot of audiobooks over the past few months and Dale is still the best with his vocalizations that are distinct for every character. Its really gotten me excited for this film again. Hopefully it isn't as bad as the early reviews of it were. They've had almost another year to improve it anyway.

But it still amazes me we haven't gotten any 1:6 figures from this gold mine. I'm assuming the kid's heights have been a big problem for most companies from doing it, but now that they are fully grown I don't see that as an excuse any more. Heck, Sideshow still has that underused Hobbit body lying around. At least NECA's 7" figures have been fairly decent.

Yea, Jim Dale does an AMAZING job of doing all those voices for those books. I think I remember reading that for OotP, he did over 75 distinct and different voices. That's just amazing. I don't know of Stephen Fry does that for the UK version, but Dale is great.

I would SOOOOOOOO buy the 1:6 line for HP. I would get a Dumbledore/Snape/Voldemort/Harry/Dobby and I guess that's it. I wouldn't be a completinist, but those would be awesome

Buttmunch
06-09-2009, 05:42 PM
75! Wow!

Yeah, Dumbledore (Harris preferably), Snape, Lucius Malfoy, and Voldemort would all be musts. I guess I'd have to get a Harry to go with them though :lol

Who am I kidding, I'd be a completist.

EDIT: I just looked Dale up on wikipedia and he has 146 different voices just in Deathly Hallows! :google

Darth Caedus
06-09-2009, 09:26 PM
75! Wow!

Yeah, Dumbledore (Harris preferably), Snape, Lucius Malfoy, and Voldemort would all be musts. I guess I'd have to get a Harry to go with them though :lol

Who am I kidding, I'd be a completist.

EDIT: I just looked Dale up on wikipedia and he has 146 different voices just in Deathly Hallows! :google

That's freaking disgusting....he was great on Pushing Daisies.

Entropy
06-09-2009, 09:37 PM
Dale is very good but the Stephen Fry versions are superior imo. Yes he does different voices.

And as far as Sorcerer vs Philosopher's stone, the Philosopher's Stone actually is something of lore and Sorcerer's Stone was just made up for the US version b/c, yes, Sorcerer is more exciting and "magical" than Philosopher which becomes confused with boring thinkers and scholars like Socrates and Plato.

Buttmunch
06-09-2009, 10:38 PM
I hadn't realized NECA finally released the Year 2 Harry and Richard Harris Dumbledore 2 pack! I just ordered mine off of ebay so I should be up-to-date on NECA Potter figures by the end of the week (also have the Bellatrix/Malfoy wave coming)! I'm glad to finally get a decent Harris Dumbledore. He was the perfect Dumbledore. I've never been able to stand Gabon after Harris gave such a perfect performance, although Gabon seems to be improving with each film. He better have his act together for HBP. I still can't stand his yelling at Harry in GoF after Harry's name comes out of the Goblet. So unlike Dumbledore. So unlike the softspoken Harris from the previous films. And what is up with the rubber band in the beard?

I imagine the Dumbledore figures will only raise in price in the next few weeks as the film gets closer.


And any idea if the Fry audiobooks are available/playable anywhere in the states? I have a hard time believing anyone could be better than Dale.

Darth Caedus
06-09-2009, 10:44 PM
I hadn't realized NECA finally released the Year 2 Harry and Richard Harris Dumbledore 2 pack! I just ordered mine off of ebay so I should be up-to-date on NECA Potter figures by the end of the week (also have the Bellatrix/Malfoy wave coming)! I'm glad to finally get a decent Harris Dumbledore. He was the perfect Dumbledore. I've never been able to stand Gabon after Harris gave such a perfect performance, although Gabon seems to be improving with each film. He better have his act together for HBP. I still can't stand his yelling at Harry in GoF after Harry's name comes out of the Goblet. So unlike Dumbledore. So unlike the softspoken Harris from the previous films. And what is up with the rubber band in the beard?

I imagine the Dumbledore figures will only raise in price in the next few weeks as the film gets closer.


And any idea if the Fry audiobooks are available/playable anywhere in the states? I have a hard time believing anyone could be better than Dale.

Yea, Harris was pretty much 110% what I thought he would be from the books. As for the Fry audiobooks, try ebay, if not, I think you might have to download them

Buttmunch
06-09-2009, 11:02 PM
Yeah, Harris was one of the most perfect casting choices ever. Rickman is also perfect as Snape as was Kenneth Branagh as Lockhart. Luckily they haven't had to replace anyone besides Harris and that was unavoidable. Nothing bugs me more than switching actors in the middle of a series.

I'm going to see if by any chance my library has any of the Fry versions or if its just the Dale ones before I resort to ebay or anywhere else. Its more out of curiousity than anything.

Entropy
06-09-2009, 11:35 PM
I listened to the first two Dale versions then heard Fry for PoA and switched. I went back and listened to the Dale ones and they are nice, but Stephen Fry is the best. JKR thinks so as well.

But you may not like him as, by design, he isn't as flamboyant as Dale who sometimes gets in the way of the story.

JKR: What I really enjoy about your reading is, the accents aren't intrusive. I don't feel as though you're in any sense giving us a sort of virtuoso performance of, "These are as many accents as I can do," or different voices. You don't form a big barrier between the listener and the story, I feel.

http://www.mugglenet.com/jkr/interviews/bbc4.shtml

Buttmunch
06-10-2009, 12:31 PM
I don't think Dale gets in the way of the story, but adds to it. He really performs the book, not reading it. And I really like that. It gives the characters life. So many other readers simply read and don't give much emotion or different voices to the characters, which can be really confusing when two characters are talking back and forth with eachother. That said, I really am curious to check out Fry's work. I suppose he is reading the English text instead of the American one right? (ie Philospher's stone and other English phrases that were changed in the American texts?)

I also heard this is getting an equivalent of a PG-13 (12a) rating in England, but it is only PG here in the states. :confused:

Darth Caedus
06-10-2009, 12:33 PM
I don't think Dale gets in the way of the story, but adds to it. He really performs the book, not reading it. And I really like that. It gives the characters life. So many other readers simply read and don't give much emotion or different voices to the characters, which can be really confusing when two characters are talking back and forth with eachother. That said, I really am curious to check out Fry's work. I suppose he is reading the English text instead of the American one right? (ie Philospher's stone and other English phrases that were changed in the American texts?)

I also heard this is getting an equivalent of a PG-13 (12a) rating in England, but it is only PG here in the states. :confused:

Yea, for Dale, it almost seems like someone is recording a play with a little bit of narration inbetween the lines of dialogue. I only wish that other audiobooks were as good as these.

Buttmunch
06-10-2009, 12:39 PM
Yea, for Dale, it almost seems like someone is recording a play with a little bit of narration inbetween the lines of dialogue. I only wish that other audiobooks were as good as these.

Exactly! It is very much like a play with narration. He certainly brings the book to life. I love the fact you can identify the characters before the book names who is talking (ie you know when it is Hagrid or Snape before they are identified). If more audiobooks were like this they would be a lot more popular.

Anyone know if Dale has read any other books outside of the Harry Potter series? I'd probably listen to anything he read if he reads them like he does the Potter series.

Entropy
06-10-2009, 03:05 PM
Meh. I'm with JK on this one. While he has distinct character voices as well, his Hermione in particular is praised in the JK Rowling interview, I think Fry gives the books a more mature reading. His pacing in particular is better.

Though Dale is brilliant and perfect on Pushing Daisies.

And yes, Fry reads the better, un-Americanized versions. :)

Buttmunch
06-10-2009, 03:43 PM
Tickets just went up for sale at my local theater! Start watching yours! This is one of two films this year that my theater has an email alert for when tickets go on sale (the other being Twilight: New Moon).

pixletwin
06-10-2009, 03:45 PM
Which theater Brant?

Buttmunch
06-10-2009, 03:49 PM
Which theater Brant?

Jordan Commons and the rest of the Megaplex theaters. My favorite by far! :rock

KitFisto
06-10-2009, 03:53 PM
I am looking forward to this film.

pixletwin
06-10-2009, 03:53 PM
Jordan Commons and the rest of the Megaplex theaters. My favorite by far! :rock

Awesome. I am going to pick up some too. :rock

KitFisto
06-10-2009, 04:02 PM
Awesome. I am going to pick up some too. :rock

Well Pix, you like Potter so you're not a totally lost cause.

pixletwin
06-10-2009, 04:08 PM
:moon :moon :moon :lol