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ironman1188
07-26-2005, 04:04 PM
The ape-o-nauts seem popular, but I would have liked Milo in "ape" clothes.
General Aldo I thought was a given. :\
And, despite odds, I had really hoped for Burke, Virdon, Galen, Urko and Zaius from the TV series. The humans provide different sculpts and outfits, Zaius looked nothing like Maurice Evans and General Urko's makeup varied greatly from Ursus or Aldo while his uniform was somewhat a mix of the two. :bang
A gorilla soldier that resembled one actually in the films would have been a nice touch too.

rentu
07-26-2005, 05:14 PM
i was hoping for a set of all the original astronauts myself...seemed like it would be a rather easy job since all it would need is the head sculpt. the others you mentioned would have been great too :( hell i would have bought anything they threw out there for a long time.....

screamingmetal
07-26-2005, 05:48 PM
The ape-o-nauts are the ones I was really looking forward to. Other then them, I'd like Milo, Mandemus, and maybe General Aldo; I can't remember if he looked different from other Gorilla apes.

creecher
07-26-2005, 07:29 PM
At least one ape-o-naut would be nice.

Poelzig
07-27-2005, 03:44 AM
Aldo,and maybe Julius.More Gorilla's basically.I always figured that they would have made a lobotimized astronaut as a site exclusive only figure.

ironman1188
07-27-2005, 05:12 AM
General Aldo; I can't remember if he looked different from other Gorilla apes.

He sure did. His uniform was like Urko's but his facial sculpt was very different from other gorillas. There was actualy quite a bit of diversity in the ape characters facially. The outfits were admittedly rather similar, but that was the way their culture was. I would not have minded several chimps, orangutan and gorillas in similar clothes as long as the sculpts were varied and they could find some "extra" accessories to throw in.

Protozaius
07-27-2005, 10:00 AM
And, despite odds, I had really hoped for Burke, Virdon, Galen, Urko and Zaius from the TV series.

Mat did mention that he received a fan petition for the TV series characters to be made... but I don't think it was taken too seriously. It's the movies that are generally considered to be "classic".

As for me, I would have bought everything and anything from the line, be it from the movies or the TV show. My list of what I would like to have seen made is embarassingly long. I do realize that my tastes border on the fringe... that what I would want wouldn't necessarily be big sellers for Sideshow. I recognize that. The fact that in a list I provided when the line was first announced included and other two orangutans from the hearing (Maximus and the Judge) and a Circus Caesar with an all leather tunic only proves my status as a hopeless, rabid Ape Fan.

But there are certain sore spots when it comes to characters unproduced. I would have loved to have seen:

1) Julius... a GREAT gorilla before gorillas were typecasted as "warmongers"

2) Ape-O-Nauts... all three of them (maybe with a Dr. Milo in tunic as an exclusive)

3) Caesar from Battle (although one will be easily customizable using Conquest Caesar and a Cornelius... removing the glyph will prove to be the only obstacle)

4) Virgil... I have a thing for orangutans. And Paul Williams made a great one.

5) Lastly, a polystone of the Caesar statue. That would have been truly special.

Basically, I would have liked to see them touch a little on each of the five films (okay, and a bit on the TV show, GEEZ). But I'm not going to be one of those who criticize what WAS produced by Sideshow. Too many Taylors? Nah. Too many humans? Nah. I think that there are good solid reasons behind every release from Sideshow. The fact that we have as many humans as we do, I believe was in the timing when the line ended. Sideshow just started covering Beneath (with the introduction of Brent AND the Mutants) when the plug was pulled. I really don't blame Sideshow for anything... other than providing me with a GREAT figure line. For that they are gulity as charged.

I think the blame for the failure of the line is in the times that we live in. Having just got back for SDCC, I see that there is a real tug of war out there to score the disposable income of the collecting world... a community those dollar is stretch far beyond the breaking point. There is some terminally COOL stuff out there. You know the stuff I mean... the high end stuff that you need an acrylic case for. FAR more than there ever has been. I believe there are a lot of Ape fans out there that wanted to buy these figures... and may do so after the price has bottomed out. But a POTA fan may also be a Star Wars fan or a Lord of the Rings fan... so these fans are left with some hard decisions in the marketplace. Should I buy that Attackus Vader or that Gentle Giant Biker Scout or that Lawgiver Statue? I find myself selling off items that I wouldn't do normally (some of my vintage Mego stuff) only to get some of these cool high end items.

I also think that since the line is as good as dead, you are going to find a percentage of people (completists) willing to buy the items that they were on the fence about because now that the end is here. There is a final, finite number (the number is 19, I believe) of pieces to collect to have a complete set.

ironman1188
07-27-2005, 10:05 AM
Mat did mention that he received a fan petition for the TV series characters to be made... but I don't think it was taken too seriously.

And, to me, thats part of the problem. The fans are not taken seriously. nd we are the ones buying the figures, begging for figures, etc... I'd be curious to know how many people were on that petition, but thats probably another of those things they can't divulge. :rolleyes

jlcmsu
07-27-2005, 10:18 AM
The fans are taken seriously but they do have to make characters that they know will sell well. What if they make some of the TV characters and they sell like crap? Thats a bad business decision. Its a fine line really.

ironman1188
07-27-2005, 10:33 AM
The fans are taken seriously but they do have to make characters that they know will sell well. What if they make some of the TV characters and they sell like crap? Thats a bad business decision. Its a fine line really.

So, Giles or Cordy wouldn't sell well? The fans have been not just asking but pleading for them to no avail.
And as for the Apes TV, I think the 5 main characters would have sold as well as what's been offered so far, perhaps some evn better. Of, course that would also hinge on the characters, ape and human, looking like they should. Have any of the lines figures thus far sold "like crap" ?
I hope I'm wrong, but it really seems to me that sideshow is abandoning the 1:6 collector. I know, I know...."But they just picked up Star Wars"....yadda yadda yadda.....
OK, but is that now where the 1:6 focus is going to be? Hell, they could put anything Star wars out after Hasbro's offerings and make themselves look good. If they want to back up statements that they listen to the fans, how about making something that they asked for. A lot of lines died or are dying with out figures that have been begged for.
Ygor
Maleva
Rod Serling
Dr. Pretorious
{insert Bond Villain here}
ape-o-nauts
Giles
Cordy
Now Buffy seems to be getting more figures than any other line, and if the numbers are there to support that, than so be it. But the lack of certain key characters up to this point truly makes me wonder if they will ever be seen before the decision to end that line joins the Outer Limits, Twilight Zone and Planet of the Apes.
Sooooo, here's hoping Majestic can pick up some slack with their BSG and Dark Shadows line.

Protozaius
07-27-2005, 10:35 AM
And, to me, thats part of the problem. The fans are not taken seriously. nd we are the ones buying the figures, begging for figures, etc...

Ironman, you have got to realize that you are a fringe Ape fan, like myself. You and I do not represent (nor do the ones who signed the petition) the sizable kind of demographic that makes these things sell. Plus, Sideshow has NO GUARANTEE that the people who sign the petition would actually BUY the figures. It would be an expensive gamble.

Okay, let me put it this way... let's just say Sideshow ran a poll last Christmas on which 12" Ape figure to produce: General Ursus or General Urko? I have dated this proposition BEFORE Ursus was actually announced. With those conditions, I believe that Ursus would win hands down. In the world of Ape fandom, Ursus is far cooler than Urko... heck, he helped bring about Armageddon! Ursus is also more known to the casual fan of the Apes than Urko. Before Ursus was unveiled, he was the ONE figure I heard on EVERYONE'S want list.

Now five months later, the exclusive Ursus still hasn't sold a mere 500 pieces. SO hysteria for a figure doesn't always equate to sold items.

And I would like to stress... it was MY impression during my connversation with Mat that the poll wasn't taken seriously. It was just MY IMPRESSION. The petition could have easily been seriously considered by someone at Sideshow at some time. I do not, under any circumstances, assume to speak for anyone from Sideshow.

ironman1188
07-27-2005, 10:47 AM
I understand about the fans and the lack of guarantees. Its much like there's no guarantee that the piece you receive will look like the piece they advertised you would be getting.
And I know Ursus was much clampered for [I personally always liked Urko better] but I've also heard alot of people state that the Ursus pictured doesn't look like Ursus from the films. I don't know if they used the gorilla soldier head, like they used Cornelius for Caesar, but that could be part of the lack of sales. As for exposure.....I see the TV series on Tv alot more than the old movies. Now, yes, like you said i may be a bit more of a fan than some, but I own both DVD sets and several of the figures [it will be all once they're released], some even in duplicate, I have the Mego and the Hasbro, the magazine set, the books on record........God!!! I have a lot of stuff :lol
And i do understand that that was your impression from your discussion, but, the fact that the line is, for all intents and purposes, dead, does seem to say that your impression was correct.
Oh, well, in another 30 years maybe someone else will come along and complete the line. :\

dstephan
07-27-2005, 11:02 AM
Caesar is a different head sculpt from Cornelius. I'm not sure if the pics have been updated, but it was definitely different at SDCC.

ironman1188
07-27-2005, 11:36 AM
Caesar is a different head sculpt from Cornelius.

I'm aware Dave, thanks. I just hadn't seen anyone post pix of the new sculpt yet.

Protozaius
07-27-2005, 11:39 AM
Ironman, I've e-mailed you the Caesar pix I took at SDCC. I'm sorry that they are so blurry.

So check your e-mail.

ironman1188
07-27-2005, 12:30 PM
Got'em!!!! And I like that head. Sure pull the plug and as you improve the line!! :bang

darth kered
07-27-2005, 03:21 PM
did sideshow announce the POTA line is ending?

ironman1188
07-27-2005, 03:28 PM
I don't think it's a question of losing the license, I think it was a choice made by Sideshow to stop

Oh, the pain.... :cry

Protozaius
07-28-2005, 09:42 AM
There might be a smaller company down the road willing to live with the low sales numbers now associated with the Apes franchise and produce a new line of 12" figures. The problem will be of quality. Say what you will, but I believe Sideshow has in it's stable of talent some of the VERY best sculptors in the business.

Or maybe Medicom will include a line of Apes in thir Real Action Heroes line. My wallet cringes at the thought.

ironman1188
07-28-2005, 12:49 PM
There might be a smaller company down the road willing to live with the low sales numbers now associated with the Apes franchise and produce a new line of 12" figures.

From your lips to God's ears. :idea


The problem will be of quality.
Not necessarily.


Say what you will, but I believe Sideshow has in it's stable of talent some of the VERY best sculptors in the business.
They do have some good sculptors but they are not the only good ones in the business. I hope someone does bail out the license and deliver the rest of the figures we asked for [and deserve].

Protozaius
07-28-2005, 09:51 PM
I hope someone does bail out the license and deliver the rest of the figures we asked for [and deserve].

I wouldn't say "deserve" exactly. What did we actually do to deserve anything?

When I mean quality it doesn't stop at the sculpting. There is the quality of the clothing. I have some figures from smaller companies whose clothing where seams are about to split and whose ends are about to unravel (my Android Hunter/Blade Runner figure comes to mind). And then there's the quality AND quantity of Sidweshow's accessories, well usually anyway. Even down to the colorful and classy packaging... you've got to admit the boxes Sideshow makes are some of the best in the business, bar none! Not that it matters too much since I open everything, but I digress

It was just that Sideshow was the best of possible worlds for an incredile 12" Ape line... anything after this will be a step down.

ironman1188
07-29-2005, 04:45 AM
It was just that Sideshow was the best of possible worlds for an incredile 12" Ape line... anything after this will be a step down.
Cool!!!! More for me!!!
And by deserve, I mean that a fan base that can reach back to '68-'69 and has stuck with the franchise through mediocre comics & magazines and a mostly horrendous cartoon [due in large part to the lack of animation] "deserve" the best a fan can get. This does not fall solely on Sideshow, but in this particular case, we're talking 1:6 figures of which Sideshow was the provider. I still think thatsome "lesser" figures would have sold had they been done up to Sideshow's old standards.
Personally, I was in for all of these, and I'm sure I wasn't alone:
James Whitmore - President of the Assembly
James Daly - Dr. Honorious
Robert Gunner - Landon [with lobotomized extra head access.]
Jeff Burton - Dodge [with glassy eyed museum head access.]
Diane Stanley - Stewart
Lou Wagner - Lucius
Woodrow Parfray - Dr. Maximus
Buck Kartalian - Julius
Victor Buono - Mutant [ Fat Man ]
Jeff Corey - Mutant [ Caspay ]
Natalie Trundy - Mutant [ Albina ]
Tod Andrews - Capt. Maddox [ Skipper ]
Gregory Sierra - Mutant [ Verger ]
Eric Braeden - Dr Hasslein
Sal Mineo - Milo
Ricardo Montalban - Armando
Bradford Dillman - Lewis dixon
Natalie Trundy - Stephanie "Stevie" Branton
Roddy McDowall - Milo [in leather tunic from film's beginning]
Don Murray - Governor Breck
Hari Rhodes - MacDonald
Severn Darden - Kolp
Slave Gorilla in red tunic
Slave Orangutan in orange tunic
Claude Akins - General Aldo
Lew Ayres - Mandemus
Austin Stoker - MacDonald
Paul Williams - Virgil
Natalie Trundy - Lisa
Bobby Porter - Cornelius
John Huston - The Lawgiver
Roddy McDowall - Galen
Ron Harper - Virdon
James Naughton - Burke
Mark Lenard - General Urko
Booth Coleman - Dr. Zaius
Eldon Burke - Gorilla Trooper Olam
Ron Stein - Gorilla Guard Tirvo
John Hoyt - Prefect Barlow
Marc Singer - Dalton
William Smith - Tolar
Norman Alden - Zako
Beverly Garland - Wanda
Percy Rodriguez - Aboro
Pat Renella - Jason

I know not everyone would want ALL of these, but I'm sure there are more than just 1 or 2 that would sell well.

Protozaius
07-30-2005, 10:01 AM
Cool!!!! More for me!!!

WHAT?!?! I never said that I wouldn't buy 12" Apes if they were offered by a smaller company... I just said that it would be a step down from what Sideshow brought to the table. Heck, I bought all of the Hasblow stuff... so I've sunk pretty low in the past to get my Ape fix.


And by deserve, I mean that a fan base that can reach back to '68-'69 and has stuck with the franchise through mediocre comics & magazines and a mostly horrendous cartoon [due in large part to the lack of animation] "deserve" the best a fan can get

Hmm, interesting. Personally, I've been on the same road as you have these past 30 years (mediocre comics, magazines, TV series and lets not forget Hasblow!) yet I've not reached the level where I feel entitled to get anything... from ANYONE. Hmmm. I feel lucky that I got the opportunity to purchase some of the best Ape merchandise EVER this past year. It was a fun but unfortunately short run.


Personally, I was in for all of these, and I'm sure I wasn't alone

Actually, Ironman, I think you are! Now, I'm a die-hard Apes fan but looking at your extensive list I would be hard pressed to rationalized shelling out $40-$50 each for some of them... I would have definitely passed on some of the more obscure TV human characters (Dalton and Tolar, BLEECK!). Believe me, Sideshow would have truly tested my metal as a completist if they offered Lewis and Stevie! Perhaps you should contact a talented customizer to help you score your Dalton and Tolar.


I'm sure there are more than just 1 or 2 that would sell well.

Ironman, if Cornelius and Zira didn't sell well (they are now being offered at a reduced price on Sideshow's website) and these are PRIME CHIMPS here, what makes you think Prefect Barlow would? In fact, what other figure on your list do you think would have sold BETTER than CORNELIUS and ZIRA!?!

NEWSFLASH: You can NOW get the VERY popular Dr. Zaius FREE with your purchase of a Lawgiver statue at Sideshow website!

www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-b...072905news (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=7506&source=072905news)

hulkfan
07-30-2005, 10:30 AM
Ironman, if Cornelius and Zira didn't sell well (they are now being offered at a reduced price on Sideshow's website) and these are PRIME CHIMPS here, what makes you think Prefect Barlow would? In fact, what other figure on your list do you think would have sold BETTER than CORNELIUS and ZIRA!?!


Sshhhh! We'll have none of that 'rational' talk around here! You're in danger of spoiling his theory that the line's demise is due to Sideshow's unbridled desire to 'slap the face' of the collector, out of sheer spite, rather than something as logical as sales numbers.

ironman1188
07-30-2005, 05:00 PM
I just said that it would be a step down from what Sideshow brought to the table.

Well, I'm glad you'd buy them PZ, but I don't really see that they would be a step down.


I've not reached the level where I feel entitled to get anything

Well, I guess...good for you?
I think if I'm spending $40+ on a figure I can be entitled.


if Cornelius and Zira didn't sell well (they are now being offered at a reduced price on Sideshow's website) and these are PRIME CHIMPS here, what makes you think Prefect Barlow would?

What I said was "I know not everyone would want ALL of these, but I'm sure there are more than just 1 or 2 that would sell well." I didn't say Barlow would out sell Cornelius and Zira. Maybe Aldo, the ape-o-nauts would, but we'll never know now.


Sshhhh! We'll have none of that 'rational' talk around here! You're in danger of spoiling his theory that the line's demise is due to Sideshow's unbridled desire to 'slap the face' of the collector, out of sheer spite, rather than something as logical as sales numbers.

Ahhhhhh, Sideshow will now bless us with their presence. They can't come out and tell you the line is officially cancelled. They can't tell you the reason the likeness is off is that the likeness rights were unobtainable. They can't tell you a lot about what you've asked,but have someone go a little pro-sideshow against somebody else and they'll jump outta the woodwork.
I never said Sideshow had an unbridled desire to slap the collector's face. I just said that some of your decisions were a slap in the face of the collector. And poor sales numbers couldn't have anything to do with oversized heads, poor rooting of the hair on females, end product not looking like the prototype or my favorite....prototypes not looking like who they're supposed to be. The line's demise couldn't possibly hinge on any of those "rational" sales factors. Or the fact that they sell pretty well at the 2nd market/online dealer prices can't mean that Sideshow might be overpricing them a little? I'm still skeptical on the whole Brent issue as the 1st reason doesn't match the latest one, but, again, its all moot now. Thank you Sideshow for being upfront and honest with your customers.
Now....on to kill off the Buffy line before that one's completed.

screamingmetal
07-30-2005, 06:00 PM
No matter what you say, it still stands that Cornelius and Zira didn't sell well. The only other characters that would've sold better then those two would be Taylor and Cornelius. And you cant use the "they flooded the market with Taylors" excuse because Sideshow really only made four versions of him, two of which were a very limited edition of 500 and (two of the four sold out). And the other central Apes to the first movie were made, they didn't drag the line on for too long before seeing these characters, and they still don't sell!


I just said that some of your decisions were a slap in the face of the collector. And poor sales numbers couldn't have anything to do with oversized heads, poor rooting of the hair on females, end product not looking like the prototype or my favorite....prototypes not looking like who they're supposed to be. The line's demise couldn't possibly hinge on any of those "rational" sales factors.
No it's not. The over sized head and the Poor Rooting was all on one figure, Nova. There wasn't a product that did not look different then the prototype. Taylor? he looked fine, Exclusive Taylor may have needed the shirt and a better paint job but that one did sell out! It looked wrong but still sold.
The only prototypes not looking like who they're supposed to be are Brant and Nova, Brant's problem was the licenser, so go blame them. Nova was decent not horrible, I'd still like to buy that set. and who's to say that she didn't have the same problem as Brent?
So what does that leave?
-Two versions of Dr. Zaius, both are great, one limited to 500 and still hasn't sold out, the other gone.
-Three versions of Taylor, one looked great and sold out (or about to), one looks great and has yet to sell and is limited to 500, and one that looks great, has yet to sell but hasn't sold out possibly because he comes with Nova.
-Two versions of the Gorilla solder Both look great, and only one version sold out,
-Zira looks great and still has yet to sell.
-Cornelius looks great and still has yet to sell.
-Two mutants, They look great, one limited to 500 and they have yet to sell out (that could be because they haven't been released yet, word of mouth).
-General Ursus Looks fantastic, the best and most intricate of all of them but the exclusive version still has yet to sell out!
-Two versions of The Lawgiver Statue both look great, and has yet to sell out (only the exclusive has limited to 100)
-Caesar (we'll have to wait and see how this one goes)

Sideshow really only fumbled with two, the others are great, and many have yet to sell.
The problem with the Planet of the Apes line is that the Planet of the Apes collectors aren't seeking out these characters as dolls. They are out, there is nothing wrong with these figures, most look perfect! And the collectors still don't care.
It's not Sideshow that killed the line because they hate it, or lost interest in it, or screwed up on most of them (just look to Hasblow for screw ups if you need to be reminded) it is the Planet of the Apes collectors that did, there simply isn't enough of them out there that would buy dolls.
And it saddens me too because I really want Ape-O-Nauts! :(

ironman1188
07-31-2005, 05:42 AM
The only other characters that would've sold better then those two would be Taylor and Cornelius.

Your opinion. Which you should be entitled to as I should mine.


And you cant use the "they flooded the market with Taylors" excuse because Sideshow really only made four versions of him

I don't know that I said they "flooded the market with Taylors" but for a line out barely a year and have 4 versions of one character.......the water's getting high.

My comment about sales, heads, rooting etc was not limited to the POTA line.


The only prototypes not looking like who they're supposed to be are Brant and Nova, Brant's problem was the licenser, so go blame them.
In the Ape line this is true, though Heston could have been closer in resemblence. However, I am still skeptical to buy the licensor excuse on Brent as that was not what was said originally. The original reason was that the sculptor did his best, missed the mark, the licensor approved it anyway and it was in production and unable to be changed. Now, all these months later, as the line comes to a close and not a bit officially, he changes the story to the likeness rights not having been available. Seems to me he would have known this when sculpting the piece.

As for the other pieces and your thinking they look great or not, I'm not going to debate you on your opinion.
To me, Heston was lacking, Cornelius was off a bit in appearance, Zira was ok, Zaius was wonderfully done, the gorilla was a disappointment in its being "too" generic, The mutants, to me, are too early to tell and Ursus, while he may be intricate, does not look like the James Gregory version from the film to me so far, but he should be here Monday and I can attest to his likeness better.
The Lawgiver statue? Its a great piece, but its more a statue than a figure and some statue collectors may not collect it as its only one piece and not belonging to a set and other figure collectors may not have bought it due to its high pricepoint and it not being a figure. My conjecture is as good as the next guys as far as why something "wouldn't" sell.


Sideshow really only fumbled with two, the others are great

Again, your opinion, which you are entitled to, but with which I don't agree. Brent and Nova are way off. Taylor, Cornelius, the gorilla soldier [and possibly Ursus] could all be better. being as Taylor was used 4 times, Brent twice the gorilla twice and Nova ...thats 9 released figures that are fumbled.


just look to Hasblow for screw ups if you need to be reminded

All too true, but we're not dealing with Hasbro here, we're dealing with Sideshow..the high end of making excellent representations of the characters we love. There is no argument from me that for $20 Hasbro gave us mostly lousy Apes and Star Wars figures. Sideshow doubled the price and gave us some better figures from the Ape franchise and some....let's just say different ones. Now they have the Hasbro Star Wars license.......we'll see how that goes. At least we should get some decent unis and weapons.

I'm not looking to argue with you, or Hulkfan. And while I may be harsher on some of Sideshow's "work" I don't insult them personally unless attacked personally first. Honestly, I'm upset with all the lines I like falling at the wayside. I suppose I should just be grateful for what I was able to get. After all, look at the poor bastards who got their hopes up when Sideshow originally announced the Happy Days license. :p

Bonehead15
07-31-2005, 07:27 PM
Well I'll be honest, I'd buy almost anything Ape related. :p I have or preorderd every piece that SS has released or announced.

I consider myself a "die hard" Apes fan but probably not as much as Ironman.

From a buisiness point of view, I can understand why SS canceled the line. The figures just didn't sell. :( It sucks. >: I too am upset. The Apes were probably my second favorite line behind the Uni Monsters. I for one thought that there were plenty Apes fans out there that would be interested with 1/6 scale figures but I don't think for a second that the figures didn't sell cause the line lacked quality. IMO I felt that the figures were quite good. Sure some weren't perfect but I don't feel that a single figure was below par. That's just my opinion. Some may disagree with me and that's fine.

I hope maybe SS will reconsider and release a few more limited figures like Beneath Taylor. The Apeonauts would be rather easy to make. A Zira or Cornellius in human clothes from Escape would be easy also.

SS is a company. They make figures, statues, ect. to make money. The Apes just didn't make enough money to continue the line.

creecher
07-31-2005, 09:31 PM
I can't understand it. The most popular Sideshow lines aren't cutting it. It does look ominous. I know, from down under, that there are many figures, that are being bandied about as not selling well, and we haven't even had our shipment arrive.

How long does an item have to be on the market before it's decided it's a flop? I can only afford a certain number of figures, so when lines stream out figures, I can't get them all. So I get what I can, while I can, and during the slower periods, mop up some that I missed out on. There seems to be less 1/6 fans than what I thought there might be. Most people would be waiting for the bargains on ebay. Someone buys them up, no matter how many of a particular item there is. So the consumers are out there. The PotA line came out with too many figures for me to keep up with. The news that there doesn't seem to be many fans buying these will have a downward affect on ebay prices. Woo Hoo. The news that the line is over will send them back up again.

I'd have thought there would be some co-ordinative strategy. I guess the cost of licenses doesn't allow time for this. The licensor invariably comes out of things unscathed, whilst Sideshow cops the flack. Had they understood saturation points they might have aspired to doing a good deal for all concerned.

ironman1188
08-01-2005, 04:31 AM
I guess the cost of licenses doesn't allow time for this. The licensor invariably comes out of things unscathed, whilst Sideshow cops the flack.

An interesting perspective, Creecher. One that may well go unconsidered at times. The licensor may well increase the license' cost if for no other reason, then there is suddenly an expressed interest in it. This would then force the company, Sideshow in this instance, to raise the SRP to make up for that added cost. Yet another reason that could lead to poor sales and would indeed help add to the demise of our beloved lines.

Protozaius
08-01-2005, 01:07 PM
Personally, I don't think that Sideshow could have launched the line any better... well, I only wish they would have put up the 1/4 Apes for pre-order as well, but that is my own dead horse to beat. As an Ape Fan, we couldn't have asked for more... spot-on likenesses of core, high demand characters like Zaius, Cornelius, Zira and Taylor. It was a dream come true for Ape fans.

However, this is not the first time Apes has failed in the marketplace. SOTA had plans to launch their own Ape figure line but due to the low sales of their Ape busts, SOTA decided to cancel the line. Here's a link to an old interview with Jerry Macaluso of SOTA:

systems.figures.com/Features/index.html?show_article=37953&domain=figures.com&dom=fig&domain_id=4 (http://systems.figures.com/Features/index.html?show_article=37953&domain=figures.com&dom=fig&domain_id=4)

Also on a related note, I remember Ape Fans looking forward to the publishing of the book "Planet of the Apes Re-visited" for over a decade. It was finally released in 2001, in conjunction with Burton's "reimagining" abomination for $25. The book sold poorly. It is now READILY available at Book Liquidators across the country for $6 each.

I wonder if the constant failure of Apes in the market will lower it's licensing fees.

ironman1188
08-01-2005, 01:13 PM
I wonder how much adverse effect the Burton "re-imagining" had on the whole franchise?

Protozaius
08-02-2005, 02:52 PM
It's not Sideshow that killed the line because they hate it, or lost interest in it, or screwed up on most of them (just look to Hasblow for screw ups if you need to be reminded) it is the Planet of the Apes collectors that did, there simply isn't enough of them out there that would buy dolls.

It's strange to realize just how small the particular pond you are swimming in really is.

Planet of the Apes is that strange kind of franchise where the fan base is deceptively small. Sideshow is not the only company to get burned on the franchise (see above link to SOTA interview). I still wonder how far Palisades 4" Ape line will go. If they do their homework, they won't get past the prototype stage.