View Full Version : 1/6 ANH Obi Wan - what if ...?
paulcarson
05-31-2007, 05:07 AM
I don't want to detract from the fantastic job Trevor did on the soon to be released Obi Wan figure.
Anyone wonder what he would have looked like if Andy Bergholtz had sculpted him? Well wonder no more...
I saw this elsewhere and thought some of you may be interested. My apologies to Andy if you don't want this posted here I can remove these. Its a shame that this will never be produced, I'd have loved one of these too.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/paulcarson/ben_big1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/paulcarson/ben_big2.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/paulcarson/ben_big3.jpg
paulcarson
05-31-2007, 05:08 AM
And please no bashing in this thread !
DarkArtist81
05-31-2007, 05:16 AM
Wow, that is really nice work.... Great likeness! :rock
No disrespect to Andy Bergholtz. Even though the side profile looks great, I prefer Trevor's sculpt.
Sachiel
05-31-2007, 05:53 AM
They're both great sculpts. Different, but still Ben Kenobi!
Customikey
05-31-2007, 05:57 AM
That is beautiful work!!
One of the things I notice about this sculpt is the way the neck is arched to aproximate the way Guinness holds himself. I really wish we'd see this in more heads. The standard up and down neck just looks so unatural and stiff.
This is wonderful work, Andy. I'd love to see your Old Ben painted up someday. What's the history behind this piece? Was it a commissioned piece or was it made for pleasure?
Anzik Hayes
05-31-2007, 06:12 AM
That is a great sculpt. Personally I see that he used alot of younger Alec Guinness reference photos, because it looks like Ben ten years prior to ANH.
And I would love to have one.
DarthNeil
05-31-2007, 06:16 AM
Apples and oranges...
They're both great sculpts from true artists--- either one used for a 1/6 ANH Obi would be a jewel of any 12" SW collection.
Thanks for sharing.
IrishJedi
05-31-2007, 07:13 AM
After seeing Trevor's amazing ANH Obi-Wan sculpt in person at CIV I have absolutely no problems with it:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/519401220_7f0ce05a91.jpg
paulcarson
05-31-2007, 07:17 AM
Yes, Trevor's work looks great but I wanted to show Andy's work . Both are fantastic sculpts in their own right.
DarthNeil
05-31-2007, 07:21 AM
Yes, Trevor's work looks great but I wanted to show Andy's work . Both are fantastic sculpts in their own right.
Agreed. Talent on both sides and either Obi would be an ideal addition to any SW 12" collection.
Seaward
05-31-2007, 07:28 AM
Both are amazing sculpts!!! I am always amazed by the detail and life-like quality that artists can bring to these sculpts, and then when you factor in the size that they are working with, I am even more impressed.
I am just glad to be getting such a high quality Obi-Wan!
jgatienza
05-31-2007, 07:28 AM
they are both awesome! wow, i am very impressed.
Anzik Hayes
05-31-2007, 07:30 AM
The highest praise I can give is that I would buy both in a heartbeat.
rabidwolverine21
05-31-2007, 07:34 AM
i would imagine this one would look even better if it hasnt already been through all the licensing touch ups they have to do before releasing the prototypes, that and i bet this thing would look beastly when painted. i actually prefer this one, even though i think trevor's work is awesome.
Memnoch21
05-31-2007, 07:41 AM
I think Andy's would make a good "Episode 3.5" as he does look like a younger Old Ben. Man, if only I could be as talented as Andy and Trev, if only.
Darth Madden
05-31-2007, 07:42 AM
Looks a little different but not any better or worse.
Brent72
05-31-2007, 08:14 AM
I agree that both are great.
FlyAndFight
05-31-2007, 08:49 AM
I think it looks fantastic as well. Would be just as happy if it was the sculpt that was used.
Perhaps it's that we're seeing Trevor's on an actual figure, but I'm leaning towards Trevor's as the definitive "Ben" Kenobi so far.
It just may bump Darth Maul from the Gold Medal podium.
MaulFan
05-31-2007, 09:18 AM
It's a great sculpt, another homerun by Andy. I would only have a prefernce over which head we get from the standpoint that for display reasons, having yound and old together in the same artistic style would just add to the feeling that they are a "set" so to speak, but I feel Trevor really defines Guiness' unique qualities a bit more, which is critical, just like he really defined his Linda Hamilton from just a female face, it's almost and exaggerating of those features that really works, but it does work. Either way, we're getting a kickass Old Ben, which is what counts.
pixletwin
05-31-2007, 10:15 AM
The highest praise I can give is that I would buy both in a heartbeat.
Ditto. They are both fabulous head sculpts.
:duff
Excellent work! With that said it looks more like old Ewan as Obi than Alec as Obi.
The Mike
05-31-2007, 10:26 AM
I love Andy's work, I really do but I'm glad that Trevor's sculpt is the one used. Andy's resembles Ewan a little too much and doesn't really give off the Alec vibe IMHO and while good it isn't the correct head for an ANH 1/6 Obi....
pixletwin
05-31-2007, 10:31 AM
Yeah. I would say Andy's sculpt is a bit too idealised. Makes Obi-Wan too symetrical or something... He looks too perfect, I guess.
MaulFan
05-31-2007, 10:39 AM
Just for kicks, I jumped into Photoshop and painted it just to see what it'd look like. Andy let me know if you have any problems with this.
http://www.swmmedia.com/SSC/ab_owk.jpg
Anzik Hayes
05-31-2007, 10:51 AM
Hey Maulfan, just for fun, why don't you add Ewan's moles to the forehead?
That would look creepy.
Memnoch21
05-31-2007, 10:54 AM
Creepy yet oddly accurate. Maybe reduce them so that they "go away with age" :rotfl
pixletwin
05-31-2007, 10:56 AM
Nice work MF. I think it would have looked really nice.
rainman
05-31-2007, 10:57 AM
I just hope the production version looks like the prototype. That seems to be the biggest challenge.
MaulFan
05-31-2007, 10:57 AM
Hey Maulfan, just for fun, why don't you add Ewan's moles to the forehead?
That would look creepy.
Mole.....mole.....molely moley moley....my molestake, mistake.....nice to mole you, meet you....mole, bloody mole, we aren't supposed to talk about the bloody mole, but there's a bloody mole winking me in the face.....I want to cut it off, chop it off, and make guacamole....and I'm spent.
MaulFan
05-31-2007, 10:59 AM
I have to say, I agree with some people, my first reaction to the front on view was "Ewan?". It almost seems like an Alec Ewan hybrid, and for anyone who watched the behind the scenes about Ewan for ROTS will know there are key areas in the face where they really match up, so it's easy for Ewan to be found in an Alec sculpt if a more youthful look is given. And I know it's a trait not many are fan of on Trev's sculpt, but the the ears on this one don't seem so Alec Guiness, Dumboish, and that dude deffinately had some flare to the tops of his ears, he was like a big elf :), but jokes aside, God rest his soul, and *tips my hat* here's to a great actor that is deffinately missed.
PosterBoyKelly
05-31-2007, 11:04 AM
They're both great sculpts. Different, but still Ben Kenobi!
Agreed. I think they're both equally as nice.
dekadentdave
05-31-2007, 11:29 AM
Trevor's is definitely the most Guiness-like. Andy's doesn't have the ears flanging out like on Trev's but I think that is one of the defining characteristics of his sculpt. Trev has more definition in the face that is characteristic of Alec's Kenobi. Have to go with Trevor hands down on this one.
Good effort by Andy though and nice to see what could have been. I had some problems with his Ewan Obi but overall it was a good sculpt. If Andy had done this figure I wouldn't have any problems with it as long as the factory paints matched those shown in the photoshopped image anyway.
screamingmetal
05-31-2007, 11:55 AM
They're both great sculpts and it's interesting to see another approach at the subject, but I personally think Trevor knocked this one out of the park.
Andy Bergholtz
05-31-2007, 12:09 PM
Count me in amongst those who prefer Trev's sculpt. As some have already said, I think mine was a bit too young looking (among other things). His face is a bit too slender and pointy, it needs to be more puffy and aged a bit. Any resemblance to Ewan is purely accidental, although I believe I sculpted this portrait not long after sculpting the Ep. III Obi so maybe it happened subconsciously.
I was bummed to hear my sculpt wasn't going to be on the final figure but it's hard to get too upset when you see how perfect the current likeness turned out. Trevor is a better portrait sculptor than myself, hands down... He's going to be an asset to Sideshow's lineup for sure. :rock
Trevolver
05-31-2007, 12:13 PM
I think Andy's portrait is beautiful, like all of his work! (he's the only reason I wanted to do portraits...I mean, look at his work, it's stunningly alive) Like I said elsewhere, I wish we could kind of combine the best qualities of our sculpts and see what we get.
my first attempt at guinness looks a bit more like Andy's work. maybe someday I can share that alongside with photos of the unpainted version you will be getting.
and SWEET color job maulfan. totally awesome!
Trev
Memnoch21
05-31-2007, 12:13 PM
Andy that is an awesome attitude and don't feel bummed because this is still an awesome sculpt. Like I said before, it would be VERY nice as a midway between Episode III and Episode IV. Glad you don't mind us having our bit of fun :lol
pixletwin
05-31-2007, 12:16 PM
Just out of curiosity Andy, are you allowed to sell recasts of your headsculpts or are they the property of Sideshow once you submit them?
MaulFan
05-31-2007, 12:21 PM
Andy, you and Trev are the best human portrait sculptors I've seen, both of you give your sculpts a life that is absent in some others work. Both of you give them that freaky "is it alive?" look, and I love that. We miss you at Sideshow, but best wishes to your new ventures, and always nice to see some of your work.
Anzik Hayes
05-31-2007, 12:22 PM
Yeah, yeah, what Marc said!!
*impatiently waits*
Ultimate Weapon
05-31-2007, 12:38 PM
I find it fascinating that two different artists can take a look at the exact same persona and approach it completely differently, and yet in the end both scultps evoke the likeness of the subject. Amazing work by both of you, Andy and Trevor.
Andy Bergholtz
05-31-2007, 12:46 PM
Just out of curiosity Andy, are you allowed to sell recasts of your headsculpts or are they the property of Sideshow once you submit them?
No chance of selling recasts, the piece is indeed still the property of Sideshow Collectibles.
Thanks again for the very kind words everybody. :o
p.s. Trev, I love you. :monkey3
paulcarson
05-31-2007, 12:53 PM
My thanks to both Andy and Trevor for their comments and more importantly for taking the time to look in !
I'm pleased that the guys who posted have been considerate towards both Andy and Trevor, it is especially easy ( too easy ) to say anything that could be misconstrued as being negative in text whereas if it was verbal would come out far differently.
My intent was to show " what could have been" in an "wow we could have had another awesome figure with this sculpt " and not a comparison between anyone's work. I'm glad it came out that way. :)
pixletwin
05-31-2007, 12:55 PM
No chance of selling recasts, the piece is indeed still the property of Sideshow Collectibles.
I figured. Thanks for answering me, Andy. :duff
DarthNeil
05-31-2007, 01:18 PM
My thanks to both Andy and Trevor for their comments and more importantly for taking the time to look in !
I'm pleased that the guys who posted have been considerate towards both Andy and Trevor, it is especially easy ( too easy ) to say anything that could be misconstrued as being negative in text whereas if it was verbal would come out far differently.
My intent was to show " what could have been" in an "wow we could have had another awesome figure with this sculpt " and not a comparison between anyone's work. I'm glad it came out that way. :)
As I said earlier either sculpt would have made for a phenomenal finished product. I'm anxiously awaiting this pre-order/release.
pixletwin
05-31-2007, 01:22 PM
As I said earlier either sculpt would have made for a phenomenal finished product. I'm anxiously awaiting this pre-order/release.
Me too... My legs are shaking and my knees are weak... In fact, I can't seem to stand on my own two feet.
Both are amazing sculpts from 2 extremely talented artists so it's nice to know that this is a win-win situation for collectors. I'd be happy with either one and really, really, really happy if I could have both! :D
Batty
05-31-2007, 01:58 PM
Both sculpts are beautiful. Andy's does look a little on the young side, but man, it makes me wish he was still with Sideshow.
I hope things are well over at DCD, Andy.
Darren Carnall
05-31-2007, 04:37 PM
Both of these look like Obi-Wan. Just on different days of the week maybe. They're both fabulous. :bow
But seeing as it's Trev's that we'll be getting, let me say that I'll be very happy to buy this piece..... and not do a single thing to it. (and that doesn't happen often with me..... I'm annoying like that, I'm never happy with anything). But I'm happy with this, (and would have been with Andy's too)
Great pieces that we could only have dreamed about owning 5 years ago. And now we get to have stuff like this on our shelves! woohooo :D
Anzik Hayes
05-31-2007, 05:13 PM
I remember the Hasbro days when you would be really happy if it looked sort of like the character with monotone skin and stubby arms.
dekadentdave
05-31-2007, 05:24 PM
Well these aren't the Hasblo days anymore. Collector's expect better quality and more accurate likenesses than we have been given. Thought SS could meet the demands but sadly they get a big "Needs Improvement."
Sachiel
05-31-2007, 05:32 PM
The only thing I remember about the Hasbro 12" days was seeing their figures and thinking they sucked. :monkey1
I was bummed to hear my sculpt wasn't going to be on the final figure but it's hard to get too upset when you see how perfect the current likeness turned out.
Interesting. I assumed that SS just assigned certain characters to certain sculptors and that was it. How many sculptors will take a crack at a given head sculpt before SS chooses which one to produce?
Andy Bergholtz
05-31-2007, 09:29 PM
Interesting. I assumed that SS just assigned certain characters to certain sculptors and that was it..
That is indeed how it's done. My sculpt wasn't used because I accidentally sculpted it a fraction too small in scale, it was a bit dwarfed by the bulky robes on the figure. Unfortunately I left the company before getting a chance to re-do the portrait (a blessing in disguise as it turns out, considering Trev's masterpiece replacement).
pixletwin
05-31-2007, 09:44 PM
That would be great if Sideshow showed a series of sculpts of the same subject by different artists and let the fans choose which one to run with.
Wouldn't that be nice?
MaulFan
05-31-2007, 09:45 PM
That would be great if Sideshow showed a series of sculpts of the same subject by different artists and let the fans choose which one to run with.
Wouldn't that be nice?
That'd be ugly Pix and you know it, whoever didn't get the sculpt they chose would be in here verbally ripping out the throats of those who chose the winning one.
Andy Bergholtz
06-01-2007, 07:14 AM
That'd be ugly Pix and you know it, whoever didn't get the sculpt they chose would be in here verbally ripping out the throats of those who chose the winning one.
Not to mention it would be a waste of production cost to intentionally commission head sculpts that would never be produced (a cost that would inevitably be reflected in the figure prices). But it would be fun to see, I admit. :)
Cocoboloboy
06-01-2007, 07:32 AM
Not to mention it would be a waste of production cost to intentionally commission head sculpts that would never be produced (a cost that would inevitably be reflected in the figure prices). But it would be fun to see, I admit. :)
Pix's idea is great. That would be fun to see but I definitely wouldn't want a huge cost increase because of it. It would be cool if they could go that route in a limited way, maybe for Con Exclusives only or something like that.
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