View Full Version : JS's BTVS induction! My episode thoughts & impressions

08-15-2005, 07:14 PM
EDIT: I've amended the title here, as I'm just gonna keep posting
my random thoughts on the BTVS episodes as I watch them,
if they make a big impression either good or bad. BTVS is
totally new to me, and I'm liking it a lot overall. Many more
winners than losers thus far.
Hello folks! :wave

Being the Buffy newbie that I am, I've watched season 1, and
now am on CD2 of season 2. I've just watched Lie To Me, and
it is far and away my favorite episode of Buffy so far.

Seems like the tone was taken up a notch as far as seriousness
and I certainly like that. I like almost all of the Buffy episodes
(except the one with the Praying Mantis - that was bad) :puke
but I like things darker and more serious than they've been up
to this point in the series that I've seen. Cheesy is OK, but I
like straight-up serious fright and horror typically. If they ever
made up the vampires in Buffy to look like the ones in 'Salem's
Lot (eyes!) I'd be very impressed, and probably even scared. :eek

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1223/barlow7ug.jpg http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9105/coffin7mk.jpg http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9614/ryerson1tq.jpg http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2268/sinkyourteeth7ed.jpg http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7960/window3og.jpg

Something more "primal" about that type vampire over BTVS's.
Seriously - I want a Buffy episode that will make me jumpy,
turning on the lights before going into a room, and having a
hard time going to sleep. Is there one that fits the bill? :dunno

Again - my favorite movie is Se7en to give you a gage on DARK.

Anyways, I was just blown away tonight, and will happily continue
my journey further into the Buffyverse. :yay :eek :thud

08-15-2005, 07:20 PM
While I have always liked Buffy and the figures it has provided, 'Salem's Lot would make for at least a few nice figures too!!

08-15-2005, 07:23 PM
I've seen a Barlow statue, and also a Barlow bust in my searches
in the resin kit world, but I never bookmarked them to return.

They are out there, and look pretty neat though.

Getting the eyes to glow would be amazing, especially if one
could get them a light up glow feature to turn on after dark.

08-15-2005, 07:53 PM
There's not really any full-on 'frightening' episodes... that's just not what the show is about. (Out of Buffy and Angel, the only truly frightening show for me... and man was it frightening... was the one with Spike's first appearence on Angel. Man was he a sadistic bastard... that episode was really 'frightening', for me. Pity that it meant he was written really out of character.)

A friend of mine hates the show because all he sees is the 'cheesiness'... but I personally love it because its a perfect balance of humor, drama, action, etc.

08-15-2005, 08:23 PM
Yep - cheese + light fright + action + comedy = Buffy.

It is fun to watch with my wife, as she and I both get a kick
out of Xander and Willow - their comedy relief is great.
Xander especially, as I like a sarcastic "zinger" type of wit.

Now I can look forward to Willow's "conversion" :naughty :o

All-in-all, a nifty show that I'm glad I took the time to get into. :clap

08-15-2005, 09:06 PM
If you like those vamps from Salem's lot, you'll really dig the uber-vamps, or Turok-Han, in season 7.

...Remember that this was made for prime time television, and so is complete with the cheese, 8:00 pm orgasms, and green-goo gore rather than red-goo gore.

I am a HUGE Whedon fan now, but I am also a relative newcomer. I only got into Buffy and Angel a little over a year ago, and now I can practically recite many of the episodes.

There are a few eps that offer some truly chilling moments in season 2: Passion - for the serial killer's perspective, Killed By Death - for the Freddie Krueger-esque quality, and I Only Have Eyes For You, for a great ghost tale. All of these are in a row, so you're in for a treat soon.

08-15-2005, 09:12 PM
Okay - you started it, Jim. I can't help it. It must be written... here's a list of the Buffy eps I consider to be the most creepy. (You may not want to read this if you want to be completely spoiler-free, but I did keep everything as vague as I could.)

Season 3: The only one that really stands out as creepy is Gingerbread, and that's really only in parts. Season three, however, has some of the best humorous Buffy episodes EVER.

Season 4: Hush. I don't think I need to say anything else.

Season 5: Listening To Fear - many will disagree with me, but I thought this one was a great episode, truly creepy just with the camera angles and presentation of a freaky demon.

Season 6: Afterlife definitely gets some serious creep-factor points for all the little posession scenes, espectially Anya's. Also, Villians - just for the scene in the woods.

Season 7: I think there are too many in season 7 to list individually - almost all the scenes with the Turok-Han creeped me out, and Nathan Fillion as the preacher is more than enough to creep out a "dirty girl" like me.

08-15-2005, 10:32 PM
Buffy is more about the pathos than the creep but I'll second Hush as one of the best for sheer skin-crawling.

08-16-2005, 02:21 AM
Thanks for the info on the upcoming episodes!

8:00pm orgasms???? :dunno

Salem's Lot was on prime time TV as well, and I saw it in all it's
glory at the ripe old age of EIGHT! Hence my lifelong attraction
to all things frightening, especially vampires.

08-16-2005, 06:36 AM
Not the creepiest, eeriest, or vampirella-ist but, (series 2) episodes 13 and 14, "Surprise" and "Innocence," mark the moments the Buffyverse found its true voice.



08-16-2005, 06:38 AM
8:00pm orgasms???? :dunno

That's something I read from some script notes - 8:00 pm orgasms refer to the way TV changes promptly at 8:00 pm, as we are past the "family" hours.

08-16-2005, 07:00 AM
Even within the constraints of an 8 PM time slot and, considering the characters were of high school age, the series did not fall short of often very provocative sexual content and heavy innuendo.


08-16-2005, 07:26 AM
Hence the term "8:00 pm orgasm." They're allowed to be a little more graphic after 8pm.

I think as far as scary mosters go, Buffy did a pretty good job especially considering the tight budget during the first few seasons. I also love the fact that most of the monsters were latex and goo, not CGI.

But I agree with Dave - Buffy was more about the story to be told than about straight-up horror, a fact that truly made it one of the greatest shows on television.

08-16-2005, 08:11 AM
Hence the term "8:00 pm orgasm." They're allowed to be a little more graphic after 8pm
Actually, as it relates to the prime time schedule, 8 PM is considered to be the family hour, hence the term "8 PM orgasm." More "mature" programming content begins at 9 PM.

Yes, Buffy broke all the rules, defied categorization, and redefined genre television.

Viva Buffy! :stake


08-17-2005, 10:50 PM
best buffys i rekon from season 2 r(might hav 4got afew)

Passions, Lie To Me, Becoming pt1&2, Innocence, Surprise, and When she was bad

08-18-2005, 04:00 AM
You may already know this, but here's some info that I'm sure Buffy fans will appreciate...........


Anthony Stewart Head has a recurring role in the second series of the new Dr Who. It wasn't the best show I'd ever seen, but the first season was definitely extremely watchable. I look forward to seeing Anthony on the show (it's good to see him on other shows such as Manchild a few years back as well as Little Britain).

08-18-2005, 12:18 PM
Dont forget about the Monarch of the Glen where Giles plays Chester the womanizer!
...that show also stars the fourth doctor, the great Tom Baker as Donald!

08-19-2005, 05:01 PM
oooh seeing the Buffybot banner got me thinking that we have to have Buffy figures that "talk" like R Lee Ermey and the Scarface Pacino.

Buffybot (seeing Buffy): Say! look at you! You look just like me! We're very pretty.

Buffybot (referring to sex with Spike): It wasn't one time. It was lots of times, and lots of different ways. I can make sketches!

Buffybot: Angel's lame. His hair goes straight up, and he's bloody stupid!

Buffybot (having sex with Spike in the graveyard): Oh Spike, you're the big bad! You're the big bad!

Buffybot (going out to patrol): Time to slay. Vampires of the world beware!

that'd be a great figure,

08-19-2005, 05:57 PM
A talking Buffybot - now there's a way to get people to buy Buffy again. I'm all for it!:banana :stake

08-20-2005, 07:10 AM
What a fantastic idea, ffl1940! Excellent use use of your brain! :clap I've updated my BuffyBot banner in tribute; Hope you don't mind!

Some of my favorite lines are:

To Anya: "Anya! How is your money?"

To Willow: "You're recently gay!"

To Spike: "Darn your sinister attraction!"

To Xander: "I don't understand that question but, thank you for asking!"

Referring to her weapons chest: "Those are my weapons. Give me something big and sharp!"

I agree, a talking feature could be a way to revisit some previously produced figures and rejuvenate the license. Humor was such an important ingredient in the Buffy formula but, IMO, that element never really carried over to the figures. This would be a great device to deliver a dose of much-needed whimsy into the line.


09-04-2005, 07:41 PM
And now for the 2nd WORST episode of Buffy I've seen thus far:
The one where John Ritter turns out to be a Robot!

NEVER have I liked the start, and had such high hopes for an
episode, only to be totally crushed by the stupidity of the outcome. :cry :bang :curse :rage :bonk

I can suspend disbelief, but OMFG! What were they thinking?
Even worse, as the setup was great, and John Ritter did a
totally fantastic job of his part at the beginning.

BTW, my least favorite Buffy so far is the one in the first season
with the Praying Mantis. That one was beyond bad for me.

Onward and upward! :toast

09-04-2005, 09:00 PM
Are you kidding? Ted rocks!


09-05-2005, 12:31 AM
TED was great!, yes the prayin mantis was bad.
but ted rocks!

09-05-2005, 01:30 AM
Those are probably the weakest Buffy episodes, but I'd still rather watch them than most of the crap that is currently on TV.

09-05-2005, 05:24 AM
The first part of TED indeed WAS great, that is why it hurt so
much to see the ending play out so stupidly. No questions as
to where, how, or why Ted was a robot? Not even the least
but curious on an investigation? Buffy and her mom thought
that Buffy had KILLED a person, and it is all fixed up fine and
dandy like nothing happened with no repercussions. Buffy's
mom was in "love" with Ted, and the fact that he was killed
by her daughter, and then found to be a ROBOT! :bonk :bang2
didn't even phase her for any extended period of time.

Well, enough ranting! Suffice to say, I didn't like the ending. :lol

On to many more (and hopefully better) Buffy episodes! :rock :yay :banana :carrot :ted

09-05-2005, 05:45 AM
I you thought "Ted" was bad, wait until you see "Bad Eggs! :eek

But, with "Surprise," the show comes of age.

Hang in there!


09-05-2005, 05:48 AM
If you were disappointed by the whole Ted ending thing....How'd you feel finding out Pennywise was a giant paper mache spider in IT?


09-05-2005, 08:19 AM
FF - You're right - Bad Eggs was very bad as well IMHO, BUT
the difference for me was that it didn't start of GREAT, only
to pull the rug out from under me like TED did.

ironman - IT is one of my favorite books, that just was translated
very badly on-screen. The ending on-screen was pretty bad,
visually, but that is an ending that is confusing anyways.

I mostly like the story of the kids growing up, and all of the
trials and tribulations that they go through together.

09-05-2005, 08:43 AM
Looking forward to hearing your impressions of "Surprise" and "Innocence," JS!


09-05-2005, 12:08 PM
I've only got seasons 1 & 2, so hopefully those are in there.
If not, I'm waiting for my Super-Mega-Monster-Buffy-Box-Set
to get the whole series, and then I'll continue my exploites into
the Buffyverse!

:rock :yay :banana :carrot :ted :clap

09-05-2005, 12:12 PM
They are the next two eps after "Bad Eggs."

09-05-2005, 05:39 PM
JS - if you're anything like me, after you finish season 2, you won't be able to wait until November to see season three. If you CAN, well... you are stronger than I. Kudos. ;)

09-05-2005, 06:09 PM
OK - Here are my next 3 episode reviews - some spoilers:

Surprise - good, but not great. Too much smoochy for me, as
I'm older, and it is just annoying and wierd for me to see that.

Innocence - Good to Very Good! I like Angel as a bad guy, and
he ranks right up there with Spike on that front. I'm looking
forward to what occurs from her foreward with he and Buffy.

Phases - Good - the suit/makeup for Oz looks pretty bad, but
as it is a TV show I guess it is what it is. The gold standard
of all time is still The Howling, so this pales in comparison.

I'll add more as I watch 'em! 8o

09-05-2005, 06:16 PM
Glad you're enjoying it. I'm on Angel Season 1 Disk 2 and enjoying the parallels to Buffy episodes. :rock Really enjoyed Spike in "In the Dark" at the beginning. :rollin

09-05-2005, 06:52 PM
Loved Ted! But, loved John Ritter too so anything he was in was good and it was fun seeing him play a bad guy.

And I would absolutely love a talking Buffybot figure! Someone should get Sideshow to read this thread to see how enthusiastically that idea has been met with.

And I think FF should be the person that decides what figures are going to be made next because his banners are always great.

09-05-2005, 11:27 PM
the howlin? dont you mean American werewolf in london! buffy bot would be cool, but id rather some other figs first.
WILLOW! i dont care where a new one is from anymore i just want a good lookin willow!

09-06-2005, 02:52 AM
Nope BD - I meant The Howling. If you look at AWwiL, the
werewolf is a fixed-faced figure, just like the one in Buffy.
The expression NEVER changes. Once noticed, it looks pretty
ridiculous. That, plus the knowledge that in AWwiL was just
a guy laying down on a board to make it look like the werewolf
was running, just took too much away from the creature for me.
Now the movie itself is GREAT, and is still one of my favorites,
it is just the "frozen-faced" werewolf that I have a problem with.

09-06-2005, 06:14 AM
The Howling...great flick. That film reinvented the werewolf genre.


09-08-2005, 07:24 AM
Just saw the "She" episode of Angel last night and Angel at Cordelia's Party is the greatest scene I've seen so far in Angel and all seven seasons of Buffy!!!! :rollin