NC-17 Rating for "Grindhouse"? [Archive]

DouglasMcc

03-18-2007, 06:02 PM

RT-News writes: "Consider these seven words describing a scene in "Grindhouse:" "Grossly obese man chewing on a baby." Yeah, so is it any wonder rumors claim the grungy Quentin Tarantino/Robert Rodriguez double feature is heading towards an NC-17?

"Some of it is so graphic and outrageous for a major Hollywood studio, there's no question it's headed for an NC-17 without big cuts," says NYP's inside source.

Also stirring things up are the fake movie trailers separating "Planet Terror" and "Death Proof," to be guest directed by genre filmmakers Rob Zombie ("House of 1000 Corpses"), Eli Roth ("Hostel"), and Edgar Wright ("Shaun of the Dead").

With Zombie's trailer for the fictional "Werewolf Women of the S.S.," picture Nazi concentration camps, mad doctors, blood draining experiments, and topless girls getting branded with swastikas.

Andrew O'Hehir of Salon recently saw Eli Roth's holiday-themed trailer (for a fake slasher flick called "Thanksgiving") and called it "unbelievably gruesome...horrifying, hilarious, and guaranteed not to pass muster with the MPAA. (Wait for the DVD, I guess.)"

And says one studio insider: "Some cuts definitely will have to be made. There's no question." Dimension, which is putting out "Grindhouse," had no comment.

Check out the NYP article for more descriptions of lovely and amazing "Grindhouse" scenes. It might be the best we'll get until the unrated DVD.

Source: New York Post, Salon"

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/news/comments/?entryid=407773

Hmm.... color me interested again :D

Memnoch

03-18-2007, 06:07 PM

Well this should be interesting...

I would think these guys would fight tooth and nail over making cuts to the film(s).

BUT

Many theaters are already hyping the film(s).

So this should be fun to watch play out.

Karma

03-18-2007, 06:08 PM

why cut it?

those that want to see, want to see the gore...why take it's essence away?

occulum

03-18-2007, 06:11 PM

yeah. hopefully it will be an NC-17 rating.
Wont have to deal with the kids beign there that are way too young to be there i nthe first place as many mentioned noticing at 300 (which I noticed as well)

DarkArtist81

03-18-2007, 06:11 PM

why cut it?

those that want to see, want to see the gore...why take it's essence away?

That's how I feel about it too... This is exactly why I think the MPAA is what is draining some of the artistry and free expression from modern film. censoring the artists original vision until it is "tame" enough for an audience. It's rediculous.

I mean, those who want to see this film are not going to be offended by some Nazi imagery, blood, violence and nudity. The films that this movie is supposed to emulate were exactly the same way, so why change a damn thing?

nash

03-18-2007, 06:16 PM

I'd prefer unrated, but NC-17 is great.

screw the MPAA review board.

Karma

03-18-2007, 06:17 PM

although the cynical side of me thinks this is handy for the studios for dvd release time

theatrical release then 6 months later uncut version

Kabukiman

03-18-2007, 07:59 PM

The first, and only, NC-17 movie I've ever seen was "Orgazmo" I had *just* turned 17 days before it played at a local theater.

I'd be very happy to make Grindhouse my second NC-17 viewing.

Bannister

03-18-2007, 08:08 PM

:rock:rock:rock

The ill Jedi

03-18-2007, 08:24 PM

NC-17 = AWESOME!!!

:rock :rock :rock

The Boot

03-18-2007, 09:24 PM

This movie will never see theatrical release as an NC-17. The sad truth is that too many major theater chains won't run a film with that particular rating, and many major newspapers/publications won't even run an ads for them.

Thankfully, DVD has given us an almost guaranteed outlet for "unrated" cuts like the ones we're talking about. We'll see it as intended, but it'll take 6-12 months after theatrical release for that to happen.

Which, of course, somehow manages to totally suck and :rock at the same time.

Kabukiman

03-18-2007, 09:31 PM

^ thankfully, *some* theaters (http://www.landmarktheatres.com/) won't bow to the man. Unfortunately, they are few and far between.

But as you said, DVD makes the point moot.

Fubeca

03-18-2007, 09:34 PM

The first, and only, NC-17 movie I've ever seen was "Orgazmo" I had *just* turned 17 days before it played at a local theater.

I'd be very happy to make Grindhouse my second NC-17 viewing.

Hmmm, that's interesting because the first NC-17 movie I stared in was Orgazmo!!!

Bannister

03-18-2007, 09:44 PM

Hmmm, that's interesting because the first NC-17 movie I stared in was Orgazmo!!!
You created South Park!!!

BDboystoys

03-19-2007, 02:17 AM

So is the US's NC-17 yrs the equivalent to Australias R rating?(over 18's) If so.. ****. I REALLY wanted to see this in cinemas.
I know exactly what you mean about the youth in films today though. I consider myself at an age where Im old and mature enough to see these kind of films, but I've noticed a massive increase of younger viewers in higher rated films nowdays.

Kabukiman

03-19-2007, 07:03 AM

From what I understand is that the US version of R means nobody under 17 gets unless accompanied by a guardian. NC-17 means nobody under 17 gets in, period.

kodiak8658

03-19-2007, 07:08 AM

Hmmm, that's interesting because the first NC-17 movie I stared in was Orgazmo!!!

Is that you Trey? :lol

Kabukiman

03-19-2007, 10:14 AM

Hmmm, that's interesting because the first NC-17 movie I stared in was Orgazmo!!!

Is that you, G-Fresh? :lol

Bannister

03-19-2007, 10:23 AM

From what I understand is that the US version of R means nobody under 17 gets unless accompanied by a guardian. NC-17 means nobody under 17 gets in, period.
In theory you need a guardian to see an R-rated flick if under 17. Most of the time when I was younger they rarely carded me, despite having signs everywhere saying you needed to be 17 to purchase an R-rated ticket. I have actually gotten carded more after I turned 17 then before.

ZombieReign

03-19-2007, 10:29 AM

Do newspapers and tv stations still refuse to accept advertising for NC-17-rated films?

I guess we will get a hacked-up "R" version for theaters, and then the unrated DVD. Sucks, because these really need to be shown in their intended state on the big screen.

Bannister

03-19-2007, 10:38 AM

Toastybuffoon

03-19-2007, 01:08 PM

When you have big studio backing and Quentin's name attached to a film, you can bet it will get away with much more on the theatrical screen under an "R" rating than if it really was a low budget output. I'm sure a bit will be trimmed, but I doubt it will be so much as to ruin the experience.

darth dypshyt

03-20-2007, 12:23 AM

It will be interesting to see what rating this movie gets in Australia...the 300 was originally rated R..(no-one under 18 allowed..), but was rated MA15+ on appeal from the studio...The Grindhouse will probably have the same problem....I just hope not too much is cut...I am sick and tired of people telling me what "does me harm..".

The people rating these are the true weirdos....No offense to anyone on this board who rates movies etc. for a living..:D

kodiak8658

03-20-2007, 02:48 AM

In theory you need a guardian to see an R-rated flick if under 17. Most of the time when I was younger they rarely carded me, despite having signs everywhere saying you needed to be 17 to purchase an R-rated ticket. I have actually gotten carded more after I turned 17 then before.

Immigration asking for a green card doesn't constitute 'being carded'. :lol

Actually NC-17 means no child at or under the age of 17 will be admitted. NC-17 took the place of the X rating.

Blu-Vapor00725

03-20-2007, 06:01 AM

I'm looking foward to this movie because grindhouse flicks were considered extinct for a while now . The last grindhouse flicks i saw were pink flamingos and eraserhead. Those movies were over the top and not rated at all. I guess that was the appeal of gringhouse flicks, there were no boundries for a director, and the audience always knew what to expect with these kind of movies. But having a grindhouse flick promoted as a grindhouse flick should'nt be R rated. But I guess the rating system will always have a say so in artistic expression. Thank God for dvd.:D

ZombieReign

03-20-2007, 08:01 AM

I saw a commercial for this on TV last night. Had the "R" rating designation at the end, so it looks like it has gotten rated. :(

Boba Fett

03-20-2007, 09:07 AM

I remember the first NC-17 movie I saw was "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer"

Bannister

03-20-2007, 10:07 AM

Immigration asking for a green card doesn't constitute 'being carded'. :lol

Actually NC-17 means no child at or under the age of 17 will be admitted. NC-17 took the place of the X rating.
I know what NC-17 means. I was referring to the rules for R-rated films, which are rarely enforced.

Batty

03-20-2007, 10:34 AM

Anyone checked out the official site lately? Play Grindhouse Scream Machine for some zombie killing fun!

http://www.grindhousemovie.net/

2000man

03-20-2007, 03:00 PM

It will not be released in the theater as NC-17. It makes a nice story and people oh and ah, but it won't happen. This movie cost money to make and the studio wants to make their money back. That won't happen if it is NC-17, so it will be released as an R and then when the dvd comes around, you'll have an unrated cut. That is not to say, however, that I agree with it.

mfoga

03-20-2007, 04:12 PM

On the Grindhouse it still states unrated so do many other sites so maybe they have not made cuts yet.

EVILFACE

03-20-2007, 04:27 PM

Kewl. I would not mind them doing a R cut then Uncut on DVD, so it would make more theatrical $$$ so they for sure will turn that Machete trailer into a movie!!!

occulum

03-20-2007, 04:29 PM

Kewl. I would not mind them doing a R cut then Uncut on DVD, so it would make more theatrical $$$ so they for sure will turn that Machete trailer into a movie!!!

hell yeah!
Danny Trejo is the *****!

Blu-Vapor00725

03-21-2007, 07:44 AM

I just pray that its good. I've been wanting a good zombie flick in a while so i hope it delivers on that front, but regarding the rating , i guess R ratings arent that bad i mean there has been a lot of envelope pushing with R rated films like hostel, saw, ect... S hopefully rodriquez and tarantino knew this from the get go and didn't put things to drastic in their movies that would be later butchered by the rating.

Kabukiman

03-21-2007, 08:57 AM

To be fair, I think the zombies are zombie-like humanoids on an alien planet.

KitFisto

03-21-2007, 09:02 AM

W/O sounding like a prude, why in the world would anyone want to watch a fat man chew on a baby? I mean seriously, this stuff is getting ridiculous.

ZombieReign

03-21-2007, 09:07 AM

W/O sounding like a prude, why in the world would anyone want to watch a fat man chew on a baby? I mean seriously, this stuff is getting ridiculous.

zombies aren't picky ....

plus this is a grindhouse flick, so anything (and everything) goes

Toastybuffoon

03-21-2007, 02:08 PM

W/O sounding like a prude, why in the world would anyone want to watch a fat man chew on a baby?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iXk33rJwaFU:D

The Boot

03-22-2007, 08:43 PM

This movie will never see theatrical release as an NC-17.

Told ya. :D

http://www.joblo.com/grindhouse-get-an-r

Not unexpected at all. The most interesting part of the article for me is the revelation of the final running time...3 hrs. and 5 min.! :rock

DouglasMcc

03-22-2007, 08:48 PM

Told ya. :D

http://www.joblo.com/grindhouse-get-an-r

Not unexpected at all. The most interesting part of the article for me is the revelation of the final running time...3 hrs. and 5 min.! :rock

Woah ... well, if much was cut ... it was going to be cut anyway no matter the content. Movie theaters HATE 3 hour movies. It ends up costing them an extra showing or 2 every day, which equals lost money in their eyes. So, I highly doubt the theater consortium would have allowed, say a 3 and 1/2 hour movie. I personally doubt much was cut. And besides, Tarrantino and Rodriquez are good at slight edits to avoid cuts (i.e. The Bride and Crazy 88s in black and white to avoid cuts).

DouglasMcc

03-22-2007, 09:00 PM

Okay, here seems to be the problems:

1. Rob Zombie's piece, WEREWOLF WOMEN OF THE SS, features a Nazi concentration camp in which every woman is topless. There is also one point, where one of the topless women is tied down to a table, drained of blood and then branded with a swastika.

Sorry, but there are plenty of movies out there with excessive nudity. The only problem I can see with this would be the swastika. However, since the movie is not played seriously, I don't think it would be that much of a controversy.

2. Eli Roth's trailer for THANKSGIVING, features a young girl (played by Jordan Ladd) performing oral sex on her boyfriend in his car. She realises, half way through the act that he has been killed by a slasher, because he happens to be missing his head.

Okay, so River Phoenix can get away with performing oral sex on a DUDE 10 years ago in My Own Private Idaho and get an R rating, but heterosexual filatio is bad?!? The only problem I could see would be if they showed an actual sexual act ... which they would never do. If its the decapitation, well there are plenty of R rated movies with decapitations.

Further on, there is a scene where an obese man eats a baby. I can't believe I just typed that sentence in sincerity. An obese man eats a baby.

Um ... it all depends on how the scene is portrayed. If its serious in tone and shows the baby in a realistic fashion ... maybe. However, in the spirit of the actual Grindhouse flicks, I bet the baby looks obviously like a low budget mannequin.

Bannister

03-24-2007, 02:32 PM

Further on, there is a scene where an obese man eats a baby. I can't believe I just typed that sentence in sincerity. An obese man eats a baby.

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

Memnoch

03-24-2007, 04:58 PM

Ohhh man, we used to joke about our one friend eating babies.. I am so taking him to see this.

King Darkness

03-24-2007, 06:34 PM

The more I hear about this the more I want to see it!!!

Boobs, swastikas, blow jobs, and baby eating!?!?!?!

What more can you ask for from a movie?

mfoga

03-24-2007, 07:12 PM

Baby eating, how come no one said Toe was in this?

King Darkness

03-24-2007, 07:14 PM

Baby eating, how come no one said Toe was in this?

We were trying to keep it low key:cool:

Bannister

03-24-2007, 07:24 PM

We were trying to keep it low key:cool:
Uh oh, now the damn Kurgan's are going to invade this thread. I wish those bastards would just go away.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

King Darkness

03-24-2007, 07:28 PM

Uh oh, now the damn Kurgan's are going to invade this thread. I wish those bastards would just go away.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:lol :lol :lol

Stupid Kurgans.

Bannister

03-24-2007, 07:29 PM

:lol :lol :lol

Stupid Kurgans.
Korrection King, F'n Kurgans.:lol :lol :lol

Jen

03-24-2007, 07:36 PM

I am so gonna see this movie - mmmmmmm..blood and gore...makes me hungry. :D

Bannister

03-24-2007, 07:38 PM

I am so gonna see this movie - mmmmmmm..blood and gore...makes me hungry. :D
:rock:rock:rock:rock
Ever since they announced this movie I have been waiting for it. Only two more weeks.

Jen

03-24-2007, 07:42 PM

I'll be there opening weekend....just waiting for the damn tickets to go on sale so I can buy them early. :)

Bannister

03-24-2007, 07:45 PM

I'll be there opening weekend....just waiting for the damn tickets to go on sale so I can buy them early. :)
:rock:rock:rock

ZombieReign

03-27-2007, 07:08 AM

occulum

03-27-2007, 07:17 AM

I've been seeing tons of ads for this on TV, but all heavily promoting the QT "Death Proof" part, while only showing a small piece (rocket leg) of "Planet Terror." Is that just because they can show car crashs but not zombies on tv? either way - I'm there opening day!
Im not sure, but my guess would be that Planet Terror was finished first I believe, and its the main one on all the early trailers.
I think the first Sneak didnt have Deathproof on it at all. Only Planet Terror and the fake trailers. So maybe now theyre giving QT's more of the spotlight. Plus it is QT after all. That could explain it as well.

alls I knows is that I CANT WAIT to see this!!! :monkey1

Eli26

03-27-2007, 12:34 PM

Im not sure, but my guess would be that Planet Terror was finished first I believe, and its the main one on all the early trailers.
I think the first Sneak didnt have Deathproof on it at all. Only Planet Terror and the fake trailers. So maybe now theyre giving QT's more of the spotlight. Plus it is QT after all. That could explain it as well.

alls I knows is that I CANT WAIT to see this!!! :monkey1

I prefer Rodriguez over QT.

ZombieReign

03-31-2007, 02:39 PM

ign.com has the faux trailer for Eli Roth's "Thanksgiving" up for viewing. Definately sick and twisted (in other words - I LOVE IT !) April 6th can't get here soon enough.

Kabukiman

03-31-2007, 10:11 PM

Anyone know the running time on this beast? The wife said she heard there will be an old school intermission, but doesn't remember where she heard that.

NSFolsom

03-31-2007, 10:52 PM

Told ya. :D

http://www.joblo.com/grindhouse-get-an-r

Not unexpected at all. The most interesting part of the article for me is the revelation of the final running time...3 hrs. and 5 min.! :rock

Great news! I was worried that the film's (I'm referring to both Planet Terror and Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof) total running time was really just going to be an hour and a half. Thank tha movie gods. I'm really excited about the film. Happy Birthday to me!

Kabukiman

03-31-2007, 10:59 PM

Well that answers that question. I guess it helps if I actually read the whole thread. :monkey1

Batty

03-31-2007, 11:27 PM

Anyone know the running time on this beast? The wife said she heard there will be an old school intermission, but doesn't remember where she heard that.
There will be faux trailers shown: "Werewolf Women of the S.S." directed by Rob Zombie, "Thanksgiving" directed by Eli Roth, "Don't Scream" by Edgar Wright and "They Call Him Machete" by Rodriguez. I read that Machete will actually be made into a full-length direct to DVD movie.

I also heard that less than 20 seconds was cut out in order to get the "R" rating. That's not as bad as I was expecting.

I can't wait to see this!

NSFolsom

03-31-2007, 11:41 PM

Darklord Dave

04-01-2007, 01:47 AM

I'm really digging the trailers, hopefully Rodriguez's film won't eat up too much of the running time.

However shouldn't QT be working on the ultimate Kill Bill DVD?

PsychoCenobite

04-01-2007, 05:18 AM

elwood49

04-01-2007, 09:49 AM

I watched the review of this on "Ebert & Roeper" this morning. The female guest reviewer for Ebert loved the Rodriguez movie and gave the QT movie a mild recommendation. Roeper preferred the QT segment, and both raved about the trailers and missing reels. They gave it "two thumbs up" with Roeper giving it a "big thumbs up" (4 star equivalent).

I can't wait to see this, but I'll probably wait for the HD home version, as I do with almost all movies these days.

2000man

04-02-2007, 01:51 PM

I read that for some of the international release, added/different/deleted? footage would be shown in theater and there were talks, or perhaps are, splitting the two films up

DarkArtist81

04-02-2007, 04:21 PM

"Thanksgiving" Trailer can be seen here:

http://uk.media.movies.ign.com/media/749/749962/vids_1.html

A few of the other tailers are show at the end. Including clips of Nic Cage.

PsychoCenobite :monkey5

That is AWESOME!!!! Love the Halloween homage at the beginning. I usually hate Eli Roth... but that was freakin hilarious! :rock:rock:rock:rock:rock

I cannot WAIT for this movie.....

Holy crap.... almost didn't notice... 5,000th post! :D

2000man

04-02-2007, 04:47 PM

There is an excellent set of articles and interviews on this film as well as grind house films from the 70's-85 in the newest Rue Morgue.

Mookeylama

04-02-2007, 07:06 PM

i'm soooo looking forward to this. Thanksgiving trailer was great!

PosterBoyKelly

04-03-2007, 03:22 AM

Rodriguez is the best director in years in my opinion, QT is alright too, can't wait! This is gonna rock the year!

elwood49

04-03-2007, 07:12 AM

Rodriguez is the best director in years in my opinion,

Interesting that you feel that way. I'm actually not a fan of his movies at all. I don't even think he's the best Latino director. That honor goes to Alfonso Cuarón, IMO, after Children of Men (the best film of last year, IMO).

Darklord Dave

04-06-2007, 11:30 PM

After SpyKids 3 I can't take Rodriguez seriously.

But moviefone says the film is only 2 hr.s 20 mins. I thought it was supposed to be over 3 hours? I have to plan my weekend accordingly!

Killbeggar

04-07-2007, 01:00 AM

Just got out of Grindhouse and I f'n LOVED it! Bloody, violent and completely over the top. A great homage to bad cinema. I havn't had so much fun just watching and laughing at a movie for a long time.
It has some great figures in it as well. Especially Rose NcGowan and Kurt Russell.

JGouse0498

04-07-2007, 06:25 AM

After SpyKids 3 I can't take Rodriguez seriously.

But moviefone says the film is only 2 hr.s 20 mins. I thought it was supposed to be over 3 hours? I have to plan my weekend accordingly!

It's roughly 3 hrs. and 10 min. (although 'Death Proof' makes it seem more like six hours...)

Darklord Dave

04-07-2007, 05:22 PM

I just saw it and it was only 2 hrs. 20 min. 11:55 show got out at roughly 2:30. Have to admit that I liked Planet Terror way more than Deathproof. Maybe it was just that there was more Rose McGowan, but that felt more like a film to me. It didn't seem like QT put a lot of effort into the script for Deathproof, although the whole thing is worth it for the ending.

The entire experience was a scream though, including the wacky trailers.

And I want 1/6 figures of Machete, El Rey, The Werewolf of the SS, Cherry Darling, Dr. Dakota, Stuntman Mike, the Thanksgiving killer...

Kabukiman

04-07-2007, 05:41 PM

2 hrs and 20 min? Are you sure?

Do some theaters have different cuts or something? I won't know until I see it next weekend... :confused:

Darklord Dave

04-07-2007, 05:44 PM

Hmm, Fandango has it as 3 hrs. 15 min. Maybe it was 3:30 when I got out? These old-fangled analog watches! How's anyone supposed to tell time without seeing the numbers?

Ryanfromindiana

04-07-2007, 05:45 PM

Maybe you were too tired to see straight! :D

Hmmmm...

Grindhouse
3hr 11min - Rated R - Action/Adventure/Horror - Trailer - IMDb
12:15 4:30 9:00

Going to see it in a bit...I'll report on this situation lol.

galactiboy

04-07-2007, 07:29 PM

Just got back from seeing it, F'n loved it... and it is over 3 hours long... I showed up for the 3:00p show, and didn't get out until around 6:30p.

I preferred Planet Terror over Death Proof, but both were excellent... I just thing that Death Proof may be a bit too talky to follow the first. And the trailers and commercials during are fantastic! I loved Machete, and I hope Batty's right about it being released :rock

JGouse0498

04-08-2007, 06:02 AM

Hmm, Fandango has it as 3 hrs. 15 min. Maybe it was 3:30 when I got out? These old-fangled analog watches! How's anyone supposed to tell time without seeing the numbers?

It had to have been. I went to the 11:50 showing and left around 3:15, and my friend pointed out he only had about an hour to drop me off at home and get to work at 4:30.

pordey2

04-08-2007, 06:54 PM

Making cuts to the movie is a bad thing...

splitting it in two as they're doing in Europe isn't any better... :monkey1

Knockworstface

04-09-2007, 06:59 AM

How was Tarantino's character "Rapist #1"? In Planet Terror.

EVILFACE

04-09-2007, 07:05 AM

splitting it in two as they're doing in Europe isn't any better... :monkey1

Yup, defeats the whole purpose of the movies.

JGouse0498

04-09-2007, 07:24 AM

How was Tarantino's character "Rapist #1"? In Planet Terror.

Umm...you'd have to see it to believe it...

Definitely the biggest gross-out moment of Planet Terror.

Kabukiman

04-11-2007, 06:10 PM

Well, the wife and I were going to see this Friday. That's not going to happen now. For whatever reason, it's playing locally as 2 different movies! :emperor

Checking other listings reveals that it's still playing as a double-feature if I want to go for a drive, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Unbe-frickin-lievable. :moon