THE Marvel Grail [Archive] - Sideshow Freaks

Darth Loki

03-06-2007, 01:46 PM

I took the X-Men statue, for a few reasons. It was the first piece that introduced me to SSC. It's already getting damn near impossible to find and with at least one more announcement, it's only going to get harder to find and more expensive.

I think the Grey Hulk PF will be #2 when all is said and done. It's going to be the definitive Hulk collectible.

Doom really needs some other FF4 pieces to be announced to keep it's buzz up. Though those are some pretty pictures.

Shai Hulud

03-06-2007, 01:53 PM

Grey hulk vs Spider-man dio will always be the most valuable,
Dr. Doom PF will be always be the most beautiful,
And The Grey Hulk PF will always be my personnal favorite.

customizerwannabe

03-06-2007, 01:59 PM

I think Grey Hulk and Spiderman. Most limited of these and has 2 of the most popular marvel characters. I'd place Grey Hulk second and X-Men Sentinel third.

Deadly Dagger

03-06-2007, 02:14 PM

Doom Exclusive. As Josh would say..."bar none" :monkey3

El Roranous

03-06-2007, 02:23 PM

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w288/the_zombie_doc/IMG_1454.jpg:D

Bodie The Cursed

03-06-2007, 02:25 PM

Grey Hulk PF because Im a rare whore.

Natrix

03-06-2007, 02:26 PM

How can I pick just one when I own them all....

(cue evil laugh) Muhahahahahahahaha!!

:lol

The ill Jedi

03-06-2007, 04:37 PM

1) DOOM...with or without the cup, the clear winner in my eyes.

2) Hulk Vs. Spider-Man (Never really cared for the Grey version)

3) X-Men Vs. Sentinel #1 Exclusive

Khev

03-06-2007, 04:56 PM

Does anyone else find it amusing that the Exclusive Doom literally comes with a grail? :lol

carbo-fation

03-06-2007, 06:07 PM

This was a tough choice, but I ended up going with Dr. Doom. Although, the X-men dio #1 will be well sought after as well for the obvious reasons.

King Darkness

03-06-2007, 07:23 PM

Grey hulk vs Spider-man dio will always be the most valuable,
Dr. Doom PF will be always be the most beautiful,
And The Grey Hulk PF will always be my personnal favorite.

Perfectly said, and I agree with every word.

Bannister

03-06-2007, 07:34 PM

Perfectly said, and I agree with every word.
Ditto, but I actually like the Green Hulk more. I think that one may end up at Reg Doom prices in a year, especially if they do another Hulk movie.

Bonehead15

03-06-2007, 08:16 PM

DOOM conquers all.

Deadly Dagger

03-06-2007, 09:13 PM

Funny the Grey vs piece is kinda bombing out....for me I never really liked the sculpt due to scale issues...:monkey1

SolidLiquidFox

03-06-2007, 10:17 PM

1. Doom PF Ex: It transcends from comics statue to work of art. It's the one piece that every Marvel fan must own. Pictures do not do it justice.

2. Gray Hulk Vs Spidey: The rarest piece and the one that eludes most people to the point of just pretending it doesn't exist because of the price. To own this is to really be a Sideshow Marvel hardcore. Not because is the best piece but because most people would flip it and most have done so already. If you collect Sideshow Marvel (especially the Vs line) for the long run flipping this may be the ultimate mistake that will haunt you in a few years.

3. Xmen Vs Sentinel #1: Great use of the light up feature that may never be duplicated in such a great way. Now that the cat is out of the bag and this is officially at least the 1st of 3 statues, the demand will always be high and the supply remain low.

Gray Hulk PF is not as good looking as the green version. At 179 pieces I would be tempted to put the red/black Classic Spidey PF ahead in terms of uniqueness. It's the best version of Spidey in PF format. Gray Hulk PF is not the best version of Hulk in PF format. I could be completely crazy on this but I think this may be the case once the Hulk PF hype dies down a bit.

Khev

03-06-2007, 10:24 PM

I'm glad that there are 1,500 of these:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/7132_press01-001.jpg

but only 875 of this:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/71611_press02-001.jpg

:rock :rock :rock :flag

Okay so I couldn't go more than 3 posts without making a Cap reference. Sue me.

I don't think I was around when Doom was up for preorder. What was the reaction. Me and a few other people have been posting and reposting every new Cap pic at every opportunity. Were people doing the same for Doom? What kind of hype did he have leading to the sellout?

customizerwannabe

03-06-2007, 10:45 PM

He didn't have you, and a very small handful of zealots.:monkey5 The Cap will be one of my favorites, but I doubt it will ever be wrth more than hulk. The character appeal isn't as great, and the media support ie movies is totally absent.

Bodie The Cursed

03-06-2007, 10:47 PM

Wheres Neg Zone and Classic Spidey?..:confused:

Fritz

03-06-2007, 10:55 PM

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w288/the_zombie_doc/71551_press02-001.jpg

TOE

03-06-2007, 11:59 PM

where's the Thing maquette :confused:

:monkey1

the Doctor

03-07-2007, 12:02 AM

I'm glad that there are 1,500 of these:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/7132_press01-001.jpg

but only 875 of this:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/71611_press02-001.jpg

I don't think I was around when Doom was up for preorder. What was the reaction. Me and a few other people have been posting and reposting every new Cap pic at every opportunity. Were people doing the same for Doom? What kind of hype did he have leading to the sellout?

it came up for pre-order when sdcc 05 was on i think and i snapped up the exclusive doom which was limited to only 300.

then they changed it to 500 later on...and i was so pissed off i cancelled it...i'll never do that again:monkey1 :monkey2

Anespian

03-07-2007, 12:46 AM

Grail to some may be a so so to others. At 50 numbered pcs only, Grey Hulk vs Spidey dio is by far the rarest of them all. Hence it should be the grail. Worst of all, it eluded many collectors on that very fine day. Gosh, i still have my waiting list order with SStill today.:monkey2
Congrats to all who are still having it.

gambit

03-07-2007, 01:17 AM

customizerwannabe

03-07-2007, 01:25 AM

A fine piece but waaaaay too many for grail status.

Shai Hulud

03-07-2007, 02:22 AM

cap america aint a grail...they even offered two of their exclusives to customers....

customizerwannabe

03-07-2007, 02:37 AM

I actually think the green hulk will be worth more in the long run than the exclusive Cap.

Shai Hulud

03-07-2007, 02:54 AM

I actually think the green hulk will be worth more in the long run than the exclusive Cap.

Ditto.........

Alice Adrenochrome

03-07-2007, 02:55 AM

I voted for the Grey Hulk PF, because I belive the extra $100 collectors had to put down for that one, was for the "instant Marvel Grail" feature that SSC has built in. Only, I haven't found the switch to activate it yet... :D

Seriously now, I think the race is between the Grey Hulk PF, and the X-Men vs Sentinel # 1 Exclusive. Time will tell.

SolidLiquidFox

03-07-2007, 06:37 AM

Seriously now, I think the race is between the Grey Hulk PF, and the X-Men vs Sentinel # 1 Exclusive. Time will tell.

Doom has to be on that list. I find it funny how people still ignore the Gray Hulk Vs Spidey diorama. It pissed so many people off that to some people it was like it never existed. It's so unnatainable that people continue to not bring it up or just chalk it up as "not worth it". In reality, it's a more accurate Grey Hulk (McFarlane) than the PF.

The denial is actually very funny. :lol

Darth Loki

03-07-2007, 06:45 AM

Doom has to be on that list. I find it funny how people still ignore the Gray Hulk Vs Spidey diorama. It pissed so many people off that to some people it was like it never existed. It's so unnatainable that people continue to not bring it up or just chalk it up as "not worth it". In reality, it's a more accurate Grey Hulk (McFarlane) than the PF.

The denial is actually very funny. :lol

Scarcity is the only thing that will keep that popular. It doesn't look as good as the green and most people would rather have the PF than the VS. The Grey Hulk PF really put a dent in the VS popularity. I seriously doubt we'll get another Marvel piece with such a limited ES, but who knows.

Khev

03-07-2007, 07:15 AM

Numbers are wrong dude,

there are 875 + 1100 = 1975 Captain Americas
Look at my post again. The Golden Age Cap costume is different than the modern one and there's only 875. Doom himself is the same whether you have the chalice or not. 875 Golden Age Caps, 1500 Dooms. :D

Khev

03-07-2007, 07:22 AM

I actually think the green hulk will be worth more in the long run than the exclusive Cap.
You're probably right. The Hulk is a more well known icon than Cap and the Green is definitive. The ES difference of 125 almost certainly isn't enough to overcome the demand for the Green. But that's okay, demand or not, I'm happy knowing that there are more Green Hulks and Doom PF's spread throughout people's homes than Cap variants. :)

SolidLiquidFox

03-07-2007, 07:23 AM

It doesn't look as good as the green and most people would rather have the PF than the VS. The Grey Hulk PF really put a dent in the VS popularity.

Anyone would rather have the PF. It's cheaper than getting the Vs (there are 129 more out there), it's a bigger and more impressive sculpt and overall there is more positive hype than the negative backlash of the "surprise" release of the Vs.

However, completely denying the appeal of the Gray Hulk Vs Spidey is ridiculous. Much like the paint job on the PF it does look better in person. The gray sculpt is more accurate to the source as opposed to the PF which is just a paint over a Kirby based green. Most people don't seem to care and just want one for whatever their reasons.

The Vs piece was one of the best sculpts of 2006. It has perhaps the best Spidey sculpt with the most dynamic pose around that actually works. You figure any variant of it would rank higher. Nowadays it seems that people look more for shiny stuff (Iron Man) and pretty lights (Sentinel) over the strenght of the piece itself. One of Martin's best.

Shai Hulud

03-07-2007, 07:51 AM

Anyone would rather have the PF. It's cheaper than getting the Vs (there are 129 more out there), it's a bigger and more impressive sculpt and overall there is more positive hype than the negative backlash of the "surprise" release of the Vs.

However, completely denying the appeal of the Gray Hulk Vs Spidey is ridiculous. Much like the paint job on the PF it does look better in person. The gray sculpt is more accurate to the source as opposed to the PF which is just a paint over a Kirby based green. Most people don't seem to care and just want one for whatever their reasons.

The Vs piece was one of the best sculpts of 2006. It has perhaps the best Spidey sculpt with the most dynamic pose around that actually works. You figure any variant of it would rank higher. Nowadays it seems that people look more for shiny stuff (Iron Man) and pretty lights (Sentinel) over the strenght of the piece itself. One of Martin's best.

Word.....I think the people who had this in hand(like me..:naughty ) understand what youre saying solid.There is a mystique feeling on having that piece.For me,its the best dio ever.And the sculpt and color are Mcfarlane accurate.Awesome piece for fans of that comic era.

Darth Loki

03-07-2007, 08:06 AM

I had the VS piece and will admit that it is great in every way. shape, and form. But IMO, the appeal of this is the incredilby low ES. When you factor that compared to the ES of the Doom PF or X-Men Exclusive it's only a fraction, yet they are all going for around the same price right now.

Bodie The Cursed

03-07-2007, 08:56 AM

It always bothered me how Spidey was so much smaller than the hulk or for that matter the other chars in the Vs peices... Its why I got rid of it.. Not to mention its nearly impossible to display..

And may I mention again.. Neg and CLassic Spidey?..

*hoards rares*

Bodie The Cursed

03-07-2007, 08:58 AM

cap america aint a grail...they even offered two of their exclusives to customers....

Whats up w/ the 2 per exclusive.. Very lame.

Can you say Ebay and Cancellation flood?..

*poops in pants*

I bet Khev gets an erection when he reads a Cap comic..

SolidLiquidFox

03-07-2007, 09:35 AM

I bet Khev gets an erection when he reads a Cap comic..

:lol :lol :lol :lol

We all have our deviant pleasures I guess...

Fritz

03-07-2007, 11:54 AM

...I bet Khev gets an erection when he reads a Cap comic..

I can relate to that. I get one when I look at that sexy Tony Stark head.

El Roranous

03-07-2007, 12:07 PM

I can relate to that. I get one when I look at that sexy Tony Stark head.
:rock
It's jealousy that makes them say otherwise.

hairlesswookiee

03-07-2007, 01:23 PM

hey you guys shouldn't judge the PF that isn't released just yet. i put the xmen exclusive diorama because now you HAVE to have it if you are collecting the VS. line. with the Doom exclusive you don't really need it unless you feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that you paid extra for the cup.

Khev

03-07-2007, 01:31 PM

There are several pieces that could certainly be considered grails from the Marvel line.
Yep, and there always will be several. There are so many good pieces that for the most part it'll come down to character preference. ES obviously helps but it isn't everything. I doubt there's a single person who considers the Grey Vs, Classic Spidey, and Negative Spidey as their three favorite pieces.

This poll is certainly biased as it excluded the Spidey variants and is being posted at the height of X-Men Dio #1 hype.

lcummins

03-07-2007, 01:37 PM

I truly believe the XMen VS Sentinel #1 will be the most sought after grail as time passes! Especially one with electronics that continue to function!!!

El Roranous

03-07-2007, 01:41 PM

I truly believe the XMen VS Sentinel #1 will be the most sought after grail as time passes! Especially one with electronics that continue to function!!!
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w288/the_zombie_doc/IMG_1454.jpg

Darth Loki

03-07-2007, 01:43 PM

I truly believe the XMen VS Sentinel #1 will be the most sought after grail as time passes! Especially one with electronics that continue to function!!!

:rock :rock :rock :rock :rock

Bannister

03-07-2007, 01:43 PM

I can relate to that. I get one when I look at that sexy Tony Stark head.
:lol :lol :lol

customizerwannabe

03-07-2007, 01:56 PM

It always bothered me how Spidey was so much smaller than the hulk or for that matter the other chars in the Vs peices... Its why I got rid of it

That size difference is kinda Mcfarlanesque. He drew them with that size difference often. It's easier to display than green hulk any day of the week too.

Bodie The Cursed

03-07-2007, 02:11 PM

Tuesdays are usually harder than Wednesdays:confused:

customizerwannabe

03-07-2007, 03:08 PM

Tuesdays are usually harder than Wednesdays

That could be a sign of depression. Depressed over a lack of space to properly display grail pieces. I can help get you a prescription if you need it.

gambit

03-07-2007, 04:07 PM

Look at my post again. The Golden Age Cap costume is different than the modern one and there's only 875. Doom himself is the same whether you have the chalice or not. 875 Golden Age Caps, 1500 Dooms. :D

ah yes, very tricky :lol :lol :lol

although you might seem to have a point, any day I would choose Doom's chalice over the golden age cap exc item as I do not care about captain America so much. imo, he is a character created to ascertain a minimum selling copy of a comic :monkey1

Having said that, my exclusive is on order and I will be definitely getting him for he has a potential to be a great PF statue.

SolidLiquidFox

03-07-2007, 04:35 PM

I truly believe the XMen VS Sentinel #1 will be the most sought after grail as time passes! Specially one with electronics that continue to function!!!

I think a full exclusive set will be more valuable than just the first piece. It's funny a lot of people didn't give a crap about Sentinel Vs #1 until it started climbing up in price.

"Colossus' legs look funny"
"I hate Cyclops teeth...why is he not wearing the Jim Lee costume???"
"The lights are alright...nothing to write home about...mine are defective so I am getting a refund...not worth it"

:rolleyes:

I think Doom and Green Hulk PF are the strongest pieces and are so far the grails that most people will seek to own. One took a bit to be appreciated while the other was an instant success. Most people that are not into the Vs pieces will just pass on Sentinel Vs #1 altogether and not bother with the set.

gbeef

03-07-2007, 04:37 PM

with the death of cap i wonder what will happen to demand now. will it go up!? i voted DOOM exclusive. DAM the sclupt is nice and its hard to find on ebay or any other place.

Khev

03-07-2007, 05:00 PM

I find it funny how people still ignore the Gray Hulk Vs Spidey diorama. It pissed so many people off that to some people it was like it never existed. It's so unnatainable that people continue to not bring it up or just chalk it up as "not worth it". In reality, it's a more accurate Grey Hulk (McFarlane) than the PF.

The denial is actually very funny. :lol
Or, like with Classic Spidey and Negative Spidey, people just don't care about it that much because there are much better pieces out there. ;)

El Roranous

03-07-2007, 06:49 PM

I think a full exclusive set will be more valuable than just the first piece. It's funny a lot of people didn't give a crap about Sentinel Vs #1 until it started climbing up in price.

"Colossus' legs look funny"
"I hate Cyclops teeth...why is he not wearing the Jim Lee costume???"
"The lights are alright...nothing to write home about...mine are defective so I am getting a refund...not worth it"

:rolleyes:

I think Doom and Green Hulk PF are the strongest pieces and are so far the grails that most people will seek to own. One took a bit to be appreciated while the other was an instant success. Most people that are not into the Vs pieces will just pass on Sentinel Vs #1 altogether and not bother with the set.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I have to say that I am still so glad I went ahead and finally got the first X-Men Dio. By far my favorite piece in my whole collection. And anyone complaining about the costumes should do themselves a favor and go out and buy the Astonishing X-Men comics that these dios are based on- it will change your whole perspective.

SolidLiquidFox

03-07-2007, 06:57 PM

And anyone complaining about the costumes should do themselves a favor and go out and buy the Astonishing X-Men comics that these dios are based on- it will change your whole perspective.

I agree with you there. I argued the same point as soon as this piece came out. However, it's surprising the amount of people that collect comics statues and refuse to pick up a comic book or even the trade paperback.

LOTRFan

03-07-2007, 08:54 PM

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I have to say that I am still so glad I went ahead and finally got the first X-Men Dio. By far my favorite piece in my whole collection. And anyone complaining about the costumes should do themselves a favor and go out and buy the Astonishing X-Men comics that these dios are based on- it will change your whole perspective.

Word.

I still don't care for the teeth though, same with Mr. Magneto.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/LOTRFan0324/Smilies/confused21.gif

El Roranous

03-07-2007, 08:59 PM

Word.

I still don't care for the teeth though, same with Mr. Magneto.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/LOTRFan0324/Smilies/confused21.gif
Pablo Teeth :rock :lol

LOTRFan

03-07-2007, 09:50 PM

http://www.funnypart.com/pictures/FunnyPart-com-are_those_real_teeth.jpg

daelith

03-08-2007, 08:42 AM

I truly believe the XMen VS Sentinel #1 will be the most sought after grail as time passes! Especially one with electronics that continue to function!!!

Word! The Sentinel piece shows how difficult it is to work with assure QC when it comes to electronics--on first glance, it doesn't look very difficult, but in practice--if you got one that works, you've got gold!

Fritz

03-08-2007, 08:56 AM

Is an XvsS with non-functional lights worth more or the same as a regular?

Bodie The Cursed

03-08-2007, 08:59 AM

Is an XvsS with non-functional lights worth more or the same as a regular?

I would say more as it can be potentially repaired by someone who knows what theyre doing?..

The ill Jedi

03-08-2007, 09:06 AM

I would say more as it can be potentially repaired by someone who knows what theyre doing?..

Does anyone know if the question of 'how to repair' one was ever posed to Sideshow?

I wonder if anyone that got a malfunctioning Dio was able to get it fixed.

customizerwannabe

03-08-2007, 11:13 AM

Is an XvsS with non-functional lights worth more or the same as a regular?

Excellent question. I've wondered that myself.

twistedfreak

03-08-2007, 11:15 AM

I don't own any of these pieces, but I have seen a few of them in person.... I was the most blown away by Doom. So, I think he is the Marvel Grail. His chair is out of this world...

Darth Loki

03-08-2007, 11:19 AM

Excellent question. I've wondered that myself.

I wouldn't see why it would be. Both don't have lights. The only thing is that you might be able to get the exclusive fixed, some how :confused:

gambit

03-08-2007, 02:27 PM

Is an XvsS with non-functional lights worth more or the same as a regular?

I say yes, it would be slightly higher as there are some collectors paying more money to lower numbers

since exclusive is limited to 650, than there might be some chosing to pay, say 10 $ more to that

customizerwannabe

03-08-2007, 02:55 PM

I say yes, it would be slightly higher as there are some collectors paying more money to lower numbers

since exclusive is limited to 650, than there might be some chosing to pay, say 10 $ more to that

I'd buy that.

Khev

03-09-2007, 10:45 PM

However, it's surprising the amount of people that collect comics statues and refuse to pick up a comic book or even the trade paperback.
Well remember that the majority of superheroes were created 40+ years ago. A lot of people would be fans because of the comics they read as kids and the comics out today are quite different than those. I'd like to build a collection of TPB's of classic stories but I'm finding it harder to jump on board for the new storylines.

Some do look good though (like Planet Hulk and the current events with Captain America).

Jen

03-15-2007, 01:25 AM

My vote is for DOOM. That piece makes me speechless everytime I see it. I drool just thinking about it. Now if I could only get my hands on one!!!! :D

Radagaster

03-15-2007, 02:21 AM

As much as Doom looks like the pimp king he is . . .I just don't associate with him, being that he's also has the reputation of being a bad guy. So, I foresee Hulk PF or even Iron Man comiquette as grails . . .

Darth Loki

03-15-2007, 07:18 AM

After drooling over my Doom all night, I have no problem with anyone saying this is THE Marvel grail. Just an absolute incredible item. Not physicaly dominating like Hulk, but more impressive all the way around.

My personal favorite is still the first X-Men VS though

gambit

03-15-2007, 04:24 PM

My personal favorite is still the first X-Men VS though

"You don't like Sentinel and you want to sell it to Gambit"

Gambit tries mind trick on DL :D

I have a friend in Turkey with doom exc. I need to insist on him to sell Doom to me, guess it is the only way to have a doom for me :monkey1

Darth Loki

03-15-2007, 06:34 PM

"You don't like Sentinel and you want to sell it to Gambit"

Gambit tries mind trick on DL :D

I have a friend in Turkey with doom exc. I need to insist on him to sell Doom to me, guess it is the only way to have a doom for me :monkey1

Sorry my Turkish friend. My moment of weekness has passed and I'm fully entrenched in the Marvel line and all it's glory. I still hope one day you're able to get one. If not, I'm sure me and Rory will be happy to post pictures of our own for you to admire :D

El Roranous

03-15-2007, 06:59 PM

Sorry my Turkish friend. My moment of weekness has passed and I'm fully entrenched in the Marvel line and all it's glory. I still hope one day you're able to get one. If not, I'm sure me and Rory will be happy to post pictures of our own for you to admire :DSorry I can never resist the call.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w288/the_zombie_doc/IMG_1454.jpg

Khev

03-17-2007, 10:11 AM

No "grail" is complete until you contact casesforcollectibles.com:

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k40/cap70/DoomPFEX.jpg

(From cap70's collection on statueforum)

I can't wait to have each of my Captain Americas in such a setup!

El Roranous

03-17-2007, 10:16 AM

No "grail" is complete until you contact casesforcollectibles.com:

I can't wait to have each of my Captain Americas in such a setup!
Captain America is dead.:p

customizerwannabe

03-17-2007, 10:22 AM

No he isn't. He just isn't breathing right now.

mrcontinental

08-26-2008, 08:31 AM

What's up with all of the Cap hate around here? He is the embodiment of what used to be good about this country. It would seem that some of the appeal with the characters Doom and the Hulk is that they are selfish arrogant pricks with no regard for anyone or anything and many seem to think that that is the way to go nowadays. Doom has always been my third favorite villian; behind Thanos and Magneto so if I don't get one oh well. But Cap has always been my favorite hero because though he was always over matched in the power department he always got it done. Marvel killing him off to replace him with the reformed mass murderer Bucky the Winter Soldier will go down as the biggest mistake in comics history. So for me there really is no grail, I simply buy what I like and can afford. I have acquired the much maligned Magneto comiquette and Logan PF for peanuts because they haven't been hyped and I love them both. This is a hobby for me; one of many I have and not an obsession and I intend to keep it that way.

TOE

08-26-2008, 08:37 AM

I love Cap. I loved the sculpt and his representation so much I went and got 2. For me, the X-men vs. Sentinel excl. is not a grail but a statue to own, imo. Well executed, best light efx, great details.

I never liked Doom as a character but the PF was just mind blowing.

But, I would like to see Doom vs. Magneto dio sometime in the future.

El Roranous

08-26-2008, 08:42 AM

mrcontinental

08-26-2008, 09:07 AM

I like bad guys more. Characters like Captain America are boring to me. I should of said I especially don't like Captain America because he is TOO good. No one is really like that in real life and it comes across as absurd. I was glad when he died since I found him to be outdated for our time.

Sounds like you need to change your circle of friends then Ro. I know many people like that and proudly served with them for twenty plus years. There are still good people in the world, and no I'm not speaking of religious zealots who talk the talk but who will only assist you if you think and act exactly as they do, but people who try to do the right thing simply because that is who they are and they were born that way. My father was one one of those people; it's just the way he was. So they do exist. And I'll certainly be sure not to turn my back on you comrade. :naughty

El Roranous

08-26-2008, 09:31 AM

mrcontinental

08-26-2008, 09:51 AM

Truthfully, I am very glad to hear that. I wish more people were really like Captain America in real life. Haven't run into them though. I always try to do the right thing but it seems that most around me are greedy and only think of themselves. I see it in the grocery store and I see it in the news. It's a true shame.

I have always also had a fascination with evil characters. I like to explore the psychology behind their motives and actions. I'm just a freak sometimes I guess. :lol

I agree with that. We all have a darkside and chose whether or not we keep it in check. Thanos is evil personified yet has always been undone due to self doubt. Magneto's painful past is an obstacle that he simply cannot overcome, and Doom is simply Doom; a brilliant yet tourtured soul whom no amount of anything will every satisfy. They are complex and tragic; and I enjoy them. But I do not admire them for they are destined to always be alone and have holes in their souls that cannot be filled. They are a constant reminder to me that at the end of the day no amount of power or riches can satisfy the soul. Only trying to make something good in this world is truly rewarding. :emperor

El Roranous

08-26-2008, 10:01 AM

mrcontinental

08-26-2008, 10:20 AM

Wow, that is actually a very good way to put it...at least when we are talking about morals and ethics in a comic book universe. The sad part is that even though good always wins in the comics, it is not the way it really is in actual life unfortunately. Too many bad things happening to good people and too many bad people doing evil things and getting away with it.

I simply try my hardest to be the best I can be and be as good to the people around me as possible. I know it's too much to ask for others though.

Well put Ro. One person can make a difference. It can be a hell of burden to bear; but when the alternative is being a steaming pile of ^^^^^ material I'll continue to bear that burden. I've got two twin boys who need me to be strong. The worlds not black or white but shades of gray...I know this. But I at least want them on the lighter side of the spectrum. I will show them the darkness out there in due time but until then I'm fighting the good fight and showing them that nice guys don't always finish last. Love your family, be loyal to your friends, keep your word, and be kind to animals, yada yada. Corny? Maybe so. But I sleep very well at night.