Buffy and Angel 12" lines on hold

[screamingmetal]

From Ask Sideshow:


Question: Are there plans for more 12-inch figures of from the Buffy and Angel lines?

SSC: The Buffy and Angel lines are currently on hold. While there is a huge universe of characters to draw from, we do feel satisfied that all of the core characters (at least from the original Buffy cast) have been represented at this point. We'll be focusing on other properties for a while, but do hope to return to the Whedonverse in 12-inch at some point in the future.
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[Firefly Flanatic]

Well, that sucks! I'm glad we're getting Giles for the Buffy line but the Angel line has barely started. If I had known it was going to be "on hold" this soon after the Angel line started I wouldn't have bothered starting to collect those. And we never got a Cordy for the Buffy line and she was definitely a core member in the earlier seasons. And what about Anya and Tara? And a decent Faith and Willow should have been made for all of us who bought the crappy looking offerings they gave us.

Just wondering how many Buffy fans will still be loyal to Sideshow when they decide to pick up the line again - don't know if I'll be willing to support Sideshow when they've clearly abandoned us. Oh well, saves me a lot of money.

[Anzik]

I'm bummed but I like what they've done so far so I'll wait and see.

Hopefully its not on hold for years.

[Serpentor]

well that sucks. The Angel cast is still in need of Gunn, Wesley and Fred and looks like they wont happen any time soon.

[thamesvalidude]

well that sucks. The Angel cast is still in need of Gunn, Wesley and Fred and looks like they wont happen any time soon.


How sideshow can say that the core characters have been covered amazes me. Serpentor is spot on about the three figures above who have been missed and are absolutely key to the line. (although even DST haven't done Gunn - rights issue?)
I cancelled my PF Spike yesterday and my list of pending products is getting v. small. i only want a couple more star wars figures and LOTR isn't much faster than Buffy. Looks like me and Sideshow are approaching the end of the road.

[Serpentor]

I can understand the reluctance to do Fred or Illyria thier females have been kind of hit or miss. But what abotu Wesley? He was imporant to the overall series of both Angel and Buffy! He deserved a figure for sure. Also I take being on hold as pretty much never going to happen baring a miracle.

[Memnoch]

Thus why my only two Buffy figures are going and Im only keeping Giles out of my love for Anthony Head.

[BDboystoys]

I cant believe they say they have satisfied and produced the core characters from Angel. Buffy had had a long run, but Angel, no way. Thats wrong and they know it. I understand why they're holding the line but to say theyre happy with the Angel line is beyond me.

[Eli26]

Ummm there are so many figures that could be produced that haven't. How about Joyce? Ms. Calendar? Kendra? Principle Snyder? Mr. Wood? The Other Slayers? Jonathan? The Major? Adam? Glory? Dark Witch Willow? Amy the Witch? Moloch? The Judge? That's just the Buffy characters. How about the Angel characters? Wesley? Fred? Illyria (sp?)? Gunn? Doyle? Lindsay? Lilah?

I think we're missing some of the core characters and some big bads! Wake up and smell the coffee SideShow!

[Serpentor]

I think most agree Sideshow's covering of the Buffy/Angle universe is lacking alot of good characters. Lindsy would be a big one from Angel. He's up there with Wesley in terms of core for that series. Its a shame it seems as though we will not see any of them. I guess thier priority is Star Wars now.

[Darklord Dave]

Buffy/Angel is the line I'm most interested in from SSC, but we have to face facts - they just aren't selling. I think we need a campaign for an Illyria PF - I think that's something that they could get behind!

[Serpentor]

Buffy/Angel is the line I'm most interested in from SSC, but we have to face facts - they just aren't selling. I think we need a campaign for an Illyria PF - I think that's something that they could get behind!

Sadly its true Cordeilla was in high demand and took her forever to sell out.

An Illyria PF would be awsome indeed I'd get one and I'm not heavily into PF's only have Buffy.

[Slayerverse98]

This sucks. I wonder if on hold is just another way to say finished?

[Serpentor]

I think the line is dead. They say on hold but really I dont see any more being made. Sideshow does seem more into making PF's and dioramas and things these days. Star Wars and Lotr are probably the only 12" lines they will keep going. Maybe I'm wrong hopefully I am and one day soon we'll see a new Buffy or Angel 12" figure announced.

[sueworld]

I agree, it does sound like the 'shows over' for this range. I mean, lets face it, Buffy's a dead show, and I with all the will in the world I can't believe it's sold as well as other 'fresher' lines, so this seems a logical step on Sideshows behalf.

It also makes more sense as to why they've decided to just release a 're-hash of the original PF Buffy, rather then something new. So no hope of a PF Angel then by the looks of it. or does this still mean they intend to carry on making characters in the PF range?

It's also sad that this news has come in month of Buffy's tenth anniversary. A black day all round really.

[Slayerverse98]

I don't think it means the PF are on hold aswell. I hope they're not because i want an Angel first

[Josette]

I can understand the reluctance to do Fred or Illyria thier females have been kind of hit or miss.

The quality of their female figures have been hit or miss, hence the lacking sales on some of them, IMO.

But this news doesn't come as a surprise to me. They say 'on hold', but I think it's pretty much a dead issue at this point and that there's a chance we won't see anymore, period. Overall, I am satisfied with the ones I have (the original core Scooby gang and the earlier Buffy characters). But to say all the core characters have been made definitely isn't accurate. I'm not a fan of Dawn or Anya, but they (along with Tara) are core characters in the later seasons, and Angel will be missing Wesley, Fred, and Gunn. But I would've only bought Wesley out of all of those, and a Doyle if they'd made him.

I'm more put out by the fact that it seems as if the only 12 inch figures SSC is going to truly focus on is $tar War$. The lack of 12 inch figures coming is what bothers me most.

[sueworld]

Trouble is if they concentrate solely on the Star Wars line, what happens when they've reached saturation point with the buying public?

Not everyones a Star Wars fan, and even the ones that are can only buy so much.

I still think it wouldn't have killed them financially to have brought out at least two Buffyverse figures a year, just to keep the line 'bubbling along' till the 'novelty' of the Star Wars 'rush' had tapered off.

[LordAzrael]

I'm very disappointed. I could see that the "Buffy" line could have gone on hiatus for a while but surely "Angel" had a few more - as others said Wesley was important in BOTH series so not to have a Wesley is pretty sad.

At least I now have the complete set.......

Personally I'm a bit disappointed overall with where SSC is going. Really they were the only company in my price point for 12" figures - I get the occassional HT figure but they tend to be at least double and sometimes triple what I pay for a SSC figure.

Oh well. Still a few other lines to catch up previously released figures from.

[sueworld]

Yeah, I know what you mean. They seemed to have canceled (oops) 'put on hiatus' a few other lines as well, and I have the distinct feeling that they're gong to turning their collective backs on the 12" range and favor the high end collectors market instead, which means that half the time I certainly wont be able to purchase any.

I don't suppose it would help if a load of us emailed Sideshow and said we were disappointed at this new news?

[Slayerverse98]

I think we should all try emailing them and letting them know how we feel and hopefully they'll pick up the lines again soon

[olvidadero]

Months of optimism thrown in the garbage can. I thought we'd get at least a Wesley figure and a PF Angel. Well, now I can focus my collecting on the DST line and other movie lines I collect. Maybe I will get the PF Lord Darkness..... Ok, I'm trying to look at the bright side, but in fact, I am sorely devastated :monkey2

[Seaward]

I think that they very cleverly stated that the core characters from Buffy have been covered, so they don't see much life left in that line. They could certainly still get a few more figures out the door, but sales of the Buffy line haven't been what they once were. I am sad that we won't see Fred, Anya, Illyria, Gunn, Wesley, and Doyle in the immediate future, and I would have loved to get a Judge, but I won't mourn the passing of this line until Sideshow removes them from the webpage and says that they have lost the rights. Maybe Season 8 in the comics will drum up interest enough to start a Buffy revival.

[sueworld]

I can't help but find it weird that their idea of the 'core characters' being covered in Angel are Lorne, but no Wes or Gun or Fred. I mean are really thinking that Lorne was more of an important character to the show, then any of those others?

Or is that they couldn't be bothered to try and capture an accurate human likeness again, and that Lorne looking as he does, is easier to do.....:rolleyes:

[Anzik]

I guess the days when they were happy when a figure sold 500 units are long gone.

Kind of like saying thank you to all the little people who got us here, now get out.

[Slayerverse98]

The core characters in Angel are deffinately NOT covered. Wesley and Fred are core characters to season 3 and season 5's plots

[ProgMatinee]

This is kinda a lesson as to why its a good thing that the SW line didn't start out with all the main characters up front.

I do feel bad for you Buffy fans....maybe they can move onto Firefly and keep the Whedonites happy?

[Josette]

This is kinda a lesson as to why its a good thing that the SW line didn't start out with all the main characters up front.

I do feel bad for you Buffy fans....maybe they can move onto Firefly and keep the Whedonites happy?

How? We just recently got Giles, and the main Angel characters won't be made. Tara, Dawn and Anya are also missing and they were all major characters. Buffy didn't start with all of the main characters. They had a lot of rehashes and one shot characters instead.

I strongly, strongly doubt SSC will ever do a Firefly line. If the Buffy line isn't profitable for them any longer, then I cannot see how Firefly would be. It doesn't have the large following that Buffy had, due to so little episodes. And the movie did poorly in theaters. A few years ago I could've easily seen SSC producing Firefly figures....but definitely not now.

[BillyBudd]

Sideshow didn't say anything about the Angel cast. Read again...

...we do feel satisfied that all of the core characters (at least from the original Buffy cast) have been represented...

That's fairly accurate.



Also, Sideshow didn't say anything about the PF line.

[Josette]

Still....with the Angel line still on hold along with the Buffy one, I wouldn't expect to see any of the show's main characters anytime soon.

Buffy's main characters have been represented for me. I'm personally satisfied with my Buffy collection as it is; once I get Giles I'll have no problem with that being it. But I'm sure those who enjoyed seasons 4-7 would have a different opinion on the lack of Tara, Dawn and Anya.

[sueworld]

Well Spike is the only PF figure I've ordered, and he really stretched my bank balance to breaking point, so I really couldn't see myself buying many others after him due to the expense.

I would have loved the 12 " range to have kept going, because at least your 'average' collector has a fighting chance of collecting them without veering into bankruptcy . :o

[ProgMatinee]

How? We just recently got Giles, and the main Angel characters won't be made. Tara, Dawn and Anya are also missing and they were all major characters. Buffy didn't start with all of the main characters. They had a lot of rehashes and one shot characters instead.

I strongly, strongly doubt SSC will ever do a Firefly line. If the Buffy line isn't profitable for them any longer, then I cannot see how Firefly would be. It doesn't have the large following that Buffy had, due to so little episodes. And the movie did poorly in theaters. A few years ago I could've easily seen SSC producing Firefly figures....but definitely not now.

The thing about the Buffy line is that to get any new customers interested in the line, they would have to release Buffy and Willow and Oz and Spike all over again. Would you want more versions of each of those?

With the Firefly line they would be starting from scratch and wouldn't be alienating collectors over "not another Captain" figure.

My point wasn't so much that the Buffy line was started with all main characters, the point is that the core characters have all received at least 2 versions already.

Once the core characters are exhausted, there is not much incentive to keep producing lower selling figures.

I know there are some hard core collectors out there willing to buy the side characters, but the casual collector wants main characters.

The strategy for LOTR and SW needs to continue to be a mix of core characters and side characters so that 5-6 years from now there are still core characters to release.

[BillyBudd]

I just asked Sideshow whether the PF line will also be placed on hold after the alternate Buffy and Spike figures are released. Hopefully Sideshow will answer my question.

[thamesvalidude]

It does say specifically "Buffy" figures so I suppose we could keep a little optimism for a Wesley or a fred. However, I for one will not be holding my breath. I get the feeling Sideshow is moving onwards and upwards and we're being dumped at the bus stop. Oh well!:monkey2

[MiskatonicNick]

Oh well, screwed over by *another* 12" figure line before a favourite core character is reached - no surprise there then.

I still reckon if SSC had given us more of the Scoobies at the start than monsters of the week or 15 seconds of screentime variants the line might have had more legs... but SSC themselves back then reckoned they had everything worked out fine for the line's longevity* Sometimes fans just can't be arsed to wait around for 5 or 6 years just to collect their main cast.

And the disaster trio of fugly Willow, fuglier PG Buffy and Vampire Spike (aka milk-the-punters-for-more-cash-than-include-alternate-heads Spike) didn't help matters much.

Nick

*gotta admit to being slightly concerned by what the future might hold for SSC's 1/6th SW and, especially, LOTR lines.

[MiskatonicNick]

It does say specifically "Buffy" figures so I suppose we could keep a little optimism for a Wesley or a fred. However, I for one will not be holding my breath.

Very wise... I think you'd be turning a very deep shade of purple (then green... then kinda sickly pale...) before Wesley or Fred are sighted.

I get the feeling Sideshow is moving onwards and upwards and we're being dumped at the bus stop. Oh well!:monkey2

I've gotta say that, in the 1/6th world, I get the feeling that SSC while indeed moving onwards are more kinda going sideways. I struggle to see any real upwards movement in quality (not necessarily talking bodies but just basic clothing & accessories) since their 12" Universal Monsters... especially compared to some of the other players in the 1/6th arena.

Nick
Bitter? Moi?

[Ironman1188]

Buffy/Angel is the line I'm most interested in from SSC, but we have to face facts - they just aren't selling. I think we need a campaign for an Illyria PF - I think that's something that they could get behind!

Yeah, a gargantuan figure that doesn't fit in with the rest of my collection and costs what FIVE 1:6 figures would is just what I would want to complete the Buffy/Angel series of offerings.
But, Dave is right that these lines aren't selling. Well, they're not selling as well as $tar War$ anyway, but not much does.
Sideshow, as good as they had been to collectors, seems out of touch with what a "core" character is. They didn't think the Medeival Kurgan or Ramirez was core enough to Highlander to be made. I don't want to hear about "likeness", they made Brent for the POTA line because they felt he was vital to the overall stories and his likeness was "lacking" to say the least. So what, Ramirez and MK weren't vital to the story of Highlander? And, speaking of POTA, there are a plethora of "key/core" characters ignored in that line.
They made all the centarl Buffy characters? Cordy was a very central Buffy character, but didn't get made until the Angel line. Several more "key/core" characters were added that we've yet to even acknowledge. Hell, how long did we have to wait foir Giles? You can't get too much more central than him. As for Angel, if you want "central" characters, anything Cordelia did would never have happened without Doyle.

[TheObsoleteMan]

Well, this certainly comes as a huuuuge shock to me. :rolleyes:

I knew if we didn't see anything new at Toyfair that both lines were dead and buried.

[Anzik]

How many people passed on Cordy because she was on a short body and had the lazy eye?
How many people stopped buying because they saw SSC giving up on the line?

I hate to say it but SSC is turning to the darkside. They are milking SW already with rehashes, jacking prices and dropping anything that doesn't fly off on PPO day.
Whats that saying about the eggs in one basket?

[El Roranous]

Is anyone else getting F'n tired of stupid Star Wars!?!? It isn't only the Buffy lines that are suffering, it's all lines except for Star Wars and they buy everything as long as it's got the logo on the box. :monkey4

Now they are making the Premium Format Boba Fett out of plastic and most don't seem to care because hey, it's BOBA FETT! :google

[sueworld]

And the disaster trio of fugly Willow, fuglier PG Buffy and Vampire Spike (aka milk-the-punters-for-more-cash-than-include-alternate-heads Spike) didn't help matters much.


And don't forget the disaster that was Faith, who barely looked like she was human, let alone liked the character. *shudder*

Can't help feel Sideshow did a lot of 'own goals' when it came to damage done to this line.

And yes, I'm bloody sick and tired of hearing about Star Wars. That line is the worst thing to have ever happened to this company, in that every other line is now having to 'cow down' before it. *grr*

[BillyBudd]

It does say specifically "Buffy" figures so I suppose we could keep a little optimism for a Wesley or a fred. However, I for one will not be holding my breath. I get the feeling Sideshow is moving onwards and upwards and we're being dumped at the bus stop. Oh well!:monkey2

Actually, Sideshow explicitly referred to both Angel and Buffy...

The Buffy and Angel lines are currently on hold.

[betic1]

man i am bummed out about this big time !:mad: :censored
this was my "bread and butter"and what I think was also the "hook" that got alot of people onto the other sideshow lines at the time .

I also think that this is the end or at least the slow demise of the other 12 inch lines ( except $tar war$ )
it appears that sideshow are just moving on to the more ..profitable areas of collecting .

and leaving us faithfull 12 inchers behind
the least they could have done was fix that faith and willow :monkey1
no WES ...a pox on thee I say :monkey3

[TheObsoleteMan]

I've been prepared for this annoucement ever since they liquidated the "web exclusive" Cordy/Lorne/Giles figures out to other retailers, but I still can't believe they couldn't manage to give us Wes to finish the Angel line. They had to know how important that one was to us, but I guess it wasn't worth the bother to them.

I remember when the Angel line was first announced, I imagined how awesome it was gonna be to have the whole team displayed on a shelf...

[Anzik]

I'm thinking of canceling my SSC Giles and placing the order with Alterego.

[Protozaius]

Why in the hell did Sideshow bother making D'Hoffryn... when it looks like they didn't make any plans to make an Anya? He goes with practically NO OTHER FIGURE!!!:monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2

I'm heartbroken at this announcement... but, strangely, it's not a surprising one. During the hard fought battle, waged most vocally by thamesvalidude, to get a Giles made, our own Darklord Dave said Giles represented a "boring" figure for Sideshow to make... and that IF and when they finally make him, he will probably cap the line. Well, Dave, you were right.

When I started collecting Sideshow figures three years ago, there were SEVERAL healthy 12" lines on their plate. And when they announced the acquistion of both SW and LOTR in the 12" format, I thought Sideshow would rule the 1/6 universe. That didn't exactly happen. Instead, the Star Wars jugernaut ended up being some sort of "Trojan Horse"... what on the surface appeared to be a gift turned out to be something far more devastating. It ended up re-defining Sideshow's priorities and expectations... slowly spoiling a once great little company like Sideshow right to the core.

Now, Sideshow procures product from Medicom and Hot Toys to give the impression that they are still in the 1/6 scale business... when that fact couldn't be further from the truth. Even the 12" LOTR line has had ONLY 4 figures announced in over a year's time.

And as I look at all of my pre-orders, I too forsee myself parting ways with Sideshow a lot sooner than I expected. I'm primarily a 12" collector and my destiny doesn't t seem to lie with them. :maul

[abstractharmony]

At least we got an actual answer.

Disappointed but not surprised.

I still think we'll see another buffyverse 1/6 at some point but right now I understand that SSC want to concentrate on SW and LOTR. Two lines that make a ton of cash for them and both lines take a LOT of pre-planning and man hours.

Still with the announcement of an Ash PF at least they haven't totally abandoned their earlier lines.

[LordAzrael]

When I started collecting Sideshow figures three years ago, there were SEVERAL healthy 12" lines on their plate. And when they announced the acquistion of both SW and LOTR in the 12" format, I thought Sideshow would rule the 1/6 universe. That didn't exactly happen. Instead, the Star Wars jugernaut ended up being some sort of "Trojan Horse"... what on the surface appeared to be a gift turned out to be something far more devastating. It ended up re-defining Sideshow's priorities and expectations... slowly spoiling a once great little company like Sideshow right to the core.

Now, Sideshow procures product from Medicom and Hot Toys to give the impression that they are still in the 1/6 scale business... when that fact couldn't be further from the truth. Even the 12" LOTR line has had ONLY 4 figures announced in over a year's time.

And as I look at all of my pre-orders, I too forsee myself parting ways with Sideshow a lot sooner than I expected. I'm primarily a 12" collector and my destiny doesn't t seem to lie with them. :maul

I'm with you. What I don't think SS realises is that the 1/6th line is what draws people in - its affordable and good value. Only once you get the collector bug do people seem to move up into the bigger & more expensive pieces.

I looked at my preorders too, and apart from Star Wars everything else there I pre-ordered at the time in case I can't get it from someone else. Why would I buy Medicom or Hot Toys from Sideshow when I can get it 15% less at Alter Ego or some other retailer ?

[Serpentor]

1/6 is all I collect I wont collect other lines due to space and size. I cracked down on the Buffy PF and I would crack on a Faith or Illyria PF figure. Other wise Its too expensive. I dont want to get into the whole star wars line. I bought most of the figures that are out now but I'm already sort of getting bored of it. Oh well hopefully the line isnt truly dead and one day we will see the remaming important characters done.

[Darth Rage]

Disappointed but not surprised.



That about sums it up for me as well.

Too many star wars 12"ers and not enough in any other line.

[figuremaster_les]

I just discovered this news. :monkey2
I am anxiously awaiting my Giles, thinking, I might start getting into that Angel line now....and this!
NO Wesley or well....I won't start that list....
But...damn.

[Boba Fett]

I for one, am happy to see this finally die. Buffy and Angel is over. Hello?? Did anyone notice?? Why would Sideshow bother to let this line continue when the series is dead and gone??

[dr2red]

I myself am saddened by this. I was looking forward to Anya and Wesley at least. I have been considering getting out of the 12 inch figures and going into
PF's and Electric tiki stuff.
I wish so many lines had been continued and this one was tops on my list.
I have been waiting for them to make a judge but sadly that won't happen.

[Josette]

I for one, am happy to see this finally die. Buffy and Angel is over. Hello?? Did anyone notice?? Why would Sideshow bother to let this line continue when the series is dead and gone??

$tar Wars is technically over, too. No matter how many more times Lucas screws with the original trilogy, the complete saga had been made. That's not an argument that works, IMO. Buffy will have always have a following. There are shows that have been off the air for decades that still have conventions.

And if licenses of movies or tv shows that were 'over' weren't made, we'd have very little selection in the collecting world. The Evil Dead trilogy is over, yet SSC is releasing a PF Ash. The Universal Monster movies are long over, and look how many figures, busts and PFs have been/are being released of those. The list continues...

[King Darkness]

Welcome to the hell that we Highlander fans and POTA fans have felt for some time now.

[LordAzrael]

About the only thing left to announce is a date for when Sideshow Collectibles is changing its name to Star Wars Collectibles. Must be in the next newsletter I guess.

[King Darkness]

About the only thing left to announce is a date for when Sideshow Collectibles is changing its name to Star Wars Collectibles. Must be in the next newsletter I guess.
:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

thats f'n great Lord!!!

[blazelsd]

The timing on this is a lil off if I were running things over at SS.
With the Buffy season 8 comic getting us all excited again I would think it be the perfect time to start rolling some 1/6ers out for the fans.

[Bonehead15]

I knew something like this was comming once Giles was announced so I sold almost all of my figures while the market was still good.

I have a feeling that a ton of people will be dropping SS cause of this.

I least SS had the guts to announce this instead of lingering on their customers for months.

[King Darkness]

I least SS had the guts to announce this instead of lingering on their customers for months.

This I agree with, and I would like to see more of it.

Not lines being "put on hold", but the honesty from SS.

[LordAzrael]

This I agree with, and I would like to see more of it.

Not lines being "put on hold", but the honesty from SS.

Yep. So when the honesty about The X-Files line ?

I suppose on a positive with SSC's lines not increasing in 1/6th I will branch out.

[olvidadero]

I for one, am happy to see this finally die. Buffy and Angel is over. Hello?? Did anyone notice?? Why would Sideshow bother to let this line continue when the series is dead and gone??

I'm sorry, I'm not a hater, but I absolutely hate that point of view. Isn't Star Wars, LoTR, Legend, Alien, Evil Dead, and a long etc. dead and gone? I keep reading and hearing "Buffy ended 4 years ago, it makes no sense releasing more memorabilia from the show" ...WHY???? I mean, that's what makes no sense at all. It is a show with a huge cult fan base. I'm sure it's one of the tv shows with the biggest cult following and memorabilia been made, and see, most of the best stuff they did with the licence in the different toy companies was made once the show was over. Sideshow released the fisrt Buffy figure of the renewed line in 2004, and have released aprox. 30 figures in three years). I'm sure we will continue to see many Buffy memorabilia years and years from now. The show being ended is not what's killed the line. It was the drop in the quality control (Willow), and especially the bad bad bad decisions that SSC made for the line (DK?? D'Hoffryn and not Anya? 3 years of wait for Giles?), that resulted in the loss of interest of the collectors, and I understand why.

[Shai]

:monkey1 :monkey1 :monkey1 :monkey1

[Murderofcrows71]

Buffy and Angel 12" lines on hold

guess my credit card will be as well.

[sueworld]

Buffy and Angel 12" lines on hold

guess my credit card will be as well.

Wonderful! You should send that comment to Sideshow!

[thamesvalidude]

Buffy and Angel 12" lines on hold

guess my credit card will be as well.


Now that's funny!!!!!:rotfl

[Anzik]

Its kind of ironic to me. I was really getting kind of bored with the SW line and since I was a Buffy fan during the whole run, I decided to get a couple and was hooked. Now I can keep collecting the SW line that I don't really want, but the ones I do want aren't available.

Must be that Irish blood bringing out such luck.

[FrankenFan]

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[olvidadero]

:monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2

Now it feels exactly how it felt when the show ended. Thanks FrankenFan, that was beautiful :)

[sueworld]

Aww, FrankenFan that's wonderful.....*sob*

Damn you Sideshow! :monkey2

[Protozaius]

I for one, am happy to see this finally die. Buffy and Angel is over. Hello?? Did anyone notice?? Why would Sideshow bother to let this line continue when the series is dead and gone??

Hey, Boba... didn't you bite it in the Sarlacc Pit back in 1983??? :monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey3

Talk about dead and gone. :lol :rotfl :lol

[LordAzrael]

Hey, Boba... didn't you bite it in the Sarlacc Pit back in 1983??? :monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey3

Talk about dead and gone. :lol :rotfl :lol

Bet the exclusive for the SSC 12" Boba Fett is the side of the Sail Barge so you can display Fett in all his full Bounty Hunter l33tness.

[Anzik]

In the realm of fantasy, what version of Wes would everyone prefer?

[The Mike]

Man....this is disconcerning to say the least. All the major characters? What about Doyle? Gunn? Fred? Wesley? The Angel line died before getting its wings.....After securing an Angel and Cordy I'm pissed that the only other character to look forward to is Lorne...

[olvidadero]

Man....this is disconcerning to say the least. All the major characters? What about Doyle? Gunn? Fred? Wesley? The Angel line died before getting its wings.....After securing an Angel and Cordy I'm pissed that the only other character to look forward to is Lorne...

Lorne is an incredible figure, you should look forward to it, but I understand, him and not Wes? That's even more painful than D'H and not Anya.

[sueworld]

In the realm of fantasy, what version of Wes would everyone prefer?

*****ed up gun toting Wes from the later seasons. I have a real soft spot for that incarnation. And if Sideshow doesn't do him I'll just have to have a go at making on myself. :google

[LordAzrael]

I'd be happy just getting any version - once you've got the head sculpt most of his costumes are fairly standard type clothing so not a difficult custom.

[olvidadero]

I would love a Buffy Season 3 Wesley, but I'd be happy as well with a Season3-5 Wes from Angel. Having the two important Wesleys would be ideal, but since it's almost improbable that we'll get one, I'd go with whatever they gave me.

[thamesvalidude]

I would love a Buffy Season 3 Wesley, but I'd be happy as well with a Season3-5 Wes from Angel. Having the two important Wesleys would be ideal, but since it's almost improbable that we'll get one, I'd go with whatever they gave me.


I will second that!!

[olvidadero]

Lindsy would be a big one from Angel. He's up there with Wesley in terms of core for that series.

Sorry, I don't think so.

[Anzik]

*****ed up gun toting Wes from the later seasons. I have a real soft spot for that incarnation. And if Sideshow doesn't do him I'll just have to have a go at making on myself. :google
Thats what I started last night. I went image searching for shots of Wes to start sculpting. I'm amazed how many forward facing shots there are but very few profile and 3/4.

[sueworld]

Well I'm a huge Wesley (as well as Spike) fan and have a fairly large collection of publicity images that I use regularly for my digital artworks. Give us a heads up if you want me to post up any for you. :D

*ETA* Here's one for a start..

http://i4.tinypic.com/49ifcbl.jpg

[olvidadero]

I love that shot. I love how sad it makes me feel.


I'd love to see a 1:6 Wes custom!

[Anzik]

Awesome, thanks Sueworld!

[TheObsoleteMan]

In the realm of fantasy, what version of Wes would everyone prefer?
This was the Wes I was hoping for...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/fedexpope/wes.jpg

If Sideshow couldn't even manage to churn out the 6 main cast members then they shouldn't have even bothered doing an Angel line. None of their other lines have gotten hosed as bad as Angel. They even made a Krycek for the X-Files line. F'ing Krycek! And they can't give us a Wesley?

Sooo angry! :monkey4

[abstractharmony]

They even made a Krycek for the X-Files line. F'ing Krycek!

Who was as big a part of the series as Wes with Angel.

The anti-mulder!

[TheObsoleteMan]

Who was as big a part of the series as Wes with Angel.

Bigger apparently since he actually got a figure made.

[Seaward]

To quote Doyle from Angel:
Is that it? Am I done?

:crying

[olvidadero]

Oh that quote. It seems I only come to the board to cry and cry and cry!!! I love Doyle. I wish someone could make a figure of him.

[Seaward]

When SS announced the change-o-head feature for Asaaj, I hoped that Doyle would get a similar treatment. I loved his exit from the series, and the way they used his character in season five was tremendously heartbreaking. I will hope that on hold means just that, and when they get an opportunity, they'll revisit the Buffyverse. I hope season 8 rekindles a Buffy renaissance(sp?), and SS can see how much interest there is in the property.

[sueworld]

Well as I said earlier you all know what to do, take your disatisfaction about this matter directly to Sideshow either by emailing them or leaving a comment about it here...

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/behindtheshow/?p=2748#comments

If enough fuss is made it may help you never know.

[Ironman1188]

Well as I said earlier you all know what to do, take your disatisfaction about this matter directly to Sideshow either by emailing them or leaving a comment about it here...

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/behindtheshow/?p=2748#comments

If enough fuss is made it may help you never know.
Not very likey. There was no success with campaigns and comments to try and save Planet of the Apes, Highlander, Universal Monsters, Twilight Zone [what line is missing a figure as integral to it as Rod Serling is to TZ?], .....

This is what characters look like when they comfort each other, realizing that collectors shall never add them to their shelves:
http://i4.tinypic.com/49ifcbl.jpg

And FrankenFan, I love the headstone, but I think in light of the way Sideshow seems headed, a cemetery would be more fitting. A headstone for each line left to die, placed around the most central of the abandoned - the 1:6 collector.

There is another thread about whether a Hot Toys or Medicom forum is needed here. I suggest we petition companies that are giving us long sought after licenses to see if some of our favorites truly have to die or if they can be relicensed and revived. Hot Toys is giving us a plethora [albeit a more expensive one] of 1:6 offerings that were never thought to be seen. Majestic [:monkey2 ] gave us Dark Shadows, Dr Phibes, classic Battlestar Galactica before abrubtly leaving us abandoned. But they gave us what was asked for. SiFiMetropolis is moving forward with Lost in Space and with Traid Toys bodies. This has the best implication for us 1:6 collectors. Possibly the best looking figure with some new 1:6 licenses? It might be that this Sideshow board will soon be full of nothing but the blind followers and those who will buy anything stamped with the $tar War$ or LOTR logo.
Maybe we should look into another board just for abandoned collectors of deserted lines? :(

[sueworld]

I don't know much about these other companies that you speak of. Do they have forums of their own, or is there a forum that covers all toy companies that produce 1.6 scale figures?

[Fritz]

I know a lot (ie most) of you are upset that the line is "on hold". I can't say I'm overjoyed but I understand it. I'm happy that Sideshow actually put out a Giles, Cordelia and a Lorne which were probably the most requested figures that were realistic to produce. They could have easily put this line on hiatus before those last three figures and I believe they actually did listen to the fans before producing these last three.

I'm surprised though that any license to produce figures doesn't have some sort of minimum requirement for how many figures need to be produced in a year.

[Ironman1188]

I don't know much about these other companies that you speak of. Do they have forums of their own, or is there a forum that covers all toy companies that produce 1.6 scale figures?

The other companies have sites that feature their products. I'm not sure if they have company specific forums [yet]
Majestic has unfortunately gone under.
SFM:
http://www.scifimetropolis.com/

Hot Toys:
http://www.hottoys.com.hk/

Triad:
http://triadtoys.com/

[sueworld]

Thanks for that, I'll go over and take a look-see.

[Anzik]

The Buffy/Angel characters mentioned are all relatively easy to do. Basically head sculpts and existing wardrobes. Human faces, youthful without needing a ton of detail.
None of the intricate intergalactic or medeival costumes of SW or LOTR, and they toss in those same stakes again, maybe one of those same axes again and pop them up. So what if they don't sell out in a day.

I think the main reason behind this is the resources SW is drawing from SSC. I just don't think they have enough people to fill the other lines.

[olvidadero]

The Buffy/Angel characters mentioned are all relatively easy to do. Basically head sculpts and existing wardrobes. Human faces, youthful without needing a ton of detail.
None of the intricate intergalactic or medeival costumes of SW or LOTR, and they toss in those same stakes again, maybe one of those same axes again and pop them up. So what if they don't sell out in a day.

I think the main reason behind this is the resources SW is drawing from SSC. I just don't think they have enough people to fill the other lines.


With Andy being gone (and Oluf?), there's no Buffyartists in SSC anymore. That might have been a decisive factor in the downfall of the line.

[sueworld]

Have both of those definitely left then?

[abstractharmony]

Yes,

Andy has an exclusive with DC Direct and Oluf hasn't had any new sculpts in a while...


:monkey2

[BillyBudd]

I hope the departure of these sculptors doesn't mean that there won't be a PF Angel. That would piss me off because it would make NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

[sueworld]

Yes,

Andy has an exclusive with DC Direct and Oluf hasn't had any new sculpts in a while...


:monkey2


But Oluf's one of the best sculptors they've got. That sounds so ridiculous to not use him.

[BillyBudd]

Yeah, I really hope Oluf is still working for Sideshow...for the sake of the PF line.

[BDboystoys]

But Oluf's one of the best sculptors they've got. That sounds so ridiculous to not use him.

Hey Sue, who made that Spike sculpt on the far right of your sig? Its looks brilliant!

[sueworld]

The Spike portrait on the end was done by a friend of mine I was talking about here...

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17268

The size is about the same as a Sideshow one. I just painted it.

[BDboystoys]

The Spike portrait

on the end was done by a friend of mine I was talking about here...

http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17268

The size is about the same as a Sideshow one. I just painted it.

"You got mad skills" as a painter!

[sueworld]

Aww, thanks love. Until I had to stop working due to a chronic illness I used to be a creature shop painter for films and TV for the last 20 years or so, so you do manage to pick up a few tips along the way! :o

[Darren Carnall]

hey sueworld... I just did a google search and found your stuff over on deviantart. (I'm not a stalker.. honest, lol) Some excellet stuff you got over there

You're quite the talented thing aren't ya..... :love (love meeting really talented people)

[sueworld]

My, you are quite the detective eh! :lol

Thanks. Since the onset of the illness I do most of my 'work' on Photoshop these days. Nearly all based around the subject dear old Spikey, as you saw. :rolleyes:

[Darren Carnall]

yes... i did happen to catch the 'theme' ;)

and some things are just worth detecting out :bow

[sueworld]

Thanks love. That character is my 'muse' poor wee sod that he is!

I've had a look at some of your work too (I'm on dial-up so I've only managed to see a little so far) and you're quite the talented chap yourself. I love your oil paintings, and your Anokin (spelling?) re-sculpt was just wonderful!

[Anzik]

You guys all do some kick *** work. I'm green with envy.

[screamingmetal]

It's sad to hear but I do think Sideshow isn't entirely done with Angel just yet. I think we could see at least a Wes and possibly Fred before they end it for good but they won't be coming for a few years.
I just know that my 1/6 Angel collection is completely unfulfilled at this point.

[Anzik]

Abstract Harmony has gotten this forum breathing again with one post. It would really piss me off to no end if SSC sees this incredible response to the head commission and decides they screwed up.

[Ironman1188]

It's sad to hear but I do think Sideshow isn't entirely done with Angel just yet. I think we could see at least a Wes and possibly Fred before they end it for good but they won't be coming for a few years.
I just know that my 1/6 Angel collection is completely unfulfilled at this point.

Yes it was great of them to virtually announce the Angel line just in time to put it on a shelf for an undetermined time. And even if we do get Wes and Fred in "years" to come, it is almost as inexcusable as the exasperatingly long wait Buffy fans endured for Giles.

[sueworld]

Well I like so many others here see the 'on hold' as being 'canceled' but just out of interest isn't there a time limit connected to a license given out to toy companies? How long can Sideshow drag it out if they want to?

[Ironman1188]

Well I like so many others here see the 'on hold' as being 'canceled' but just out of interest isn't there a time limit connected to a license given out to toy companies? How long can Sideshow drag it out if they want to?

Hopefully not as long as they did with Highlander.

[sueworld]

And how long was that then?

[Ironman1188]

And how long was that then?
Well, the first Buffy was released on 07-25-2001, and its 2007 now, soooo.....

[sueworld]

I find that odd. Things may have changed since 'my day' but over here in the UK toy manufacturers have a defined period in their licenses to get their products out there. Beyond that they then have to re-negotiate a new one.

No wonder Sideshow can bugger product lines about if they have all the time in the world to do it!:lol

[Ironman1188]

There are usually set licensing lengths. I don't know what Sideshow's might be with regards to Whedon's properties. The Highlander one just expired and, unexplainably, Sideshow removed ALL hints of ever having had it. I know the license holder made a request but it was strange that they can't show what they made.

[sueworld]

I don't know much about that line. How many figures did they end up releasing?

I did pick up on the fact certain key characters where left undone. Is this correct?

[Ironman1188]

I don't know much about that line. How many figures did they end up releasing?

I did pick up on the fact certain key characters where left undone. Is this correct?

Five figures but only three characters. :(

[sueworld]

So who were the other two then?

[Ironman1188]

They did modern Connor, Duncan and Kurgan and then "origins" versions of Connor and Duncan.

[sueworld]

Oh I see. I wonder why they then wanted to erase all info reagrding that old line then. Weird.

[screamingmetal]

Well I like so many others here see the 'on hold' as being 'canceled' but just out of interest isn't there a time limit connected to a license given out to toy companies? How long can Sideshow drag it out if they want to?
I do think there is an eventual time limit on all licenses, but Sideshow has covered so much of 1/6 Buffy that I don't really see another company taking on the property. Since Sideshow has had such a hard time releasing new figures to satisfactory numbers, I doubt anyone could. (well maybe Triad could reinvigorate it given the chance.)

[screamingmetal]

Yes it was great of them to virtually announce the Angel line just in time to put it on a shelf for an undetermined time. And even if we do get Wes and Fred in "years" to come, it is almost as inexcusable as the exasperatingly long wait Buffy fans endured for Giles.
I think their strategy did them in. Too many Buffys, Angels, and Spikes upfront and very poor renditions of Faith and Willow, with a lot of people waiting on some much beloved characters. One thing to note is that most of the old Buffy figures are soldout and hard to find. So the large numbers in the beginning are still in the hands of collectors who might be unaware that the line has a few new beloved characters available limitedly such as Giles and Faith. Maybe Sideshow needs to do a bit more publicity on the line and reach out to the Buffy community online elsewhere.

[buffy-collector]

Buffy magazine Issue 93, 3 page special. Lorne and Giles are the last figures as the Sideshow range is being retired.

They have a blue-suit Lorne to release as a special but no details of when.

PF range will continue indefinitely (yeah, cos all the fans can keep shelling out $250 a pop), next up is Angel.

So, all this business about put on hold is a crock!

[sueworld]

Oh lord! Thanks for that news. So what we all suspected was true. No more Buffy figures, just the bloody expensive PF line!

Arghhh!! :confused:

[TheObsoleteMan]

PF Angel? Looks like I'll be collecting a bit longer after all.

Damn you, Sideshow. Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!

[sueworld]

I'd love an Angel, but it nearly financially killed me getting Spike!

I wish they hadn't decided to go this route as it's going to leave a lot of collectors out in the cold.

[Darklord Dave]

The line was cancelled after Buffy and the Gentlemen. But it can always be renewed. And since they can point to the poor sales it probably wouldn't cost much to renew it.

Blue suit Lorne? Must be an SDCC exclusive.

I'm glad the PF line is continuing, maybe we can eventually get a decent Buffy.

[Slayerverse98]

It's good news that the line is still going to carry on but why no more 12" figures?. I'll only buy the regulars in PF and that's it

[Protozaius]

I don't think that we should be under any delusion that the PF line will continue past Angel. Considering the VERY slow sales of Spike (with an exclusive edition of only 350), I'm sure that Angel was so far along in the pipeline of development that cancellation was not an option. Like the Roger Moore Bond PF, I thinking that the editon size is going to be relatively small.

However, if the Angel PF is a knockout, I just might (due to the fact that there will not be anymore 12"ers) find myself buying him along with Spike and the second version of Buffy. Especially if they include like Spike a vampire head swap out. :monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey3

My wallet hopes that is not the case. :monkey1 :monkey1 :monkey1

As for a blue suited Lorne as an SDCC exclusive... I'm sure that if it does come to pass, the edition size would be VERY small... like the SDCC Vision Lawgiver, which I have the VERY LAST ONE... 100 out of 100!! :D

[dr2red]

Buffy magazine Issue 93, 3 page special. Lorne and Giles are the last figures as the Sideshow range is being retired.

They have a blue-suit Lorne to release as a special but no details of when.

PF range will continue indefinitely (yeah, cos all the fans can keep shelling out $250 a pop), next up is Angel.

So, all this business about put on hold is a crock!


Do you know if this is available to buy online. I would love to see the pics if there were any.

[screamingmetal]

Buffy magazine Issue 93, 3 page special. Lorne and Giles are the last figures as the Sideshow range is being retired.
On hold sounds like there is still some hope. Retired sounds like it's the end of the line to me.
My optimism just took a major dive, it just makes me sad to see this line die and $tar War$ continue unabated.
I'm starting to really hate the Star Wars Juggernaut now.

[FrankenFan]

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4240/aw***xa1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[TheObsoleteMan]

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4240/aw***xa1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[LordAzrael]

The line was cancelled after Buffy and the Gentlemen. But it can always be renewed. And since they can point to the poor sales it probably wouldn't cost much to renew it.

Blue suit Lorne? Must be an SDCC exclusive.

I'm glad the PF line is continuing, maybe we can eventually get a decent Buffy.

Yeah I suppose could be a negotiation technique.

[Anzik]

You never know. There are only so many guest appearances on How I met Your Mother you can do before you need more than just royalty checks. As much as I adore everyone from Buffy, there are no real mega talents emerging from the series so I don't see any of them being 'above' some Buffy TV movies down the road just to get them in the spotlight and on the radar again.

[BillyBudd]

I don't think that we should be under any delusion that the PF line will continue past Angel...

I agree. But I'm just happy that we'll be getting a PF Angel!

[blue_rogue]

So a PF Angel is confirmed, that's awesome! I hope it goes up for order before SDCC. 4 months is a long wait...

I'm not really expecting to see any new characters in the line after Angel, but we'll see. I could see them maybe doing Faith or Willow. I'd love to get those two, as well as Xander and Giles. Not counting on it, though.

[BDboystoys]

Angel PF! WOO! :rock
The only big downside for me with the Buffy PF line, is that because theres a whole universe of characters I love, when they produce them I want them, but in reality I dont have the space to collect them all.
I hate the fact knowing my collection space is just dwindling.

[BillyBudd]

I wouldn't worry too much about space. I asked a Sideshow rep about the longevity of the PF Buffy line a while back, and the person said that they "weren't going to go crazy." I'd be surprised if there are more than two after Angel. At the same time, I wouldn't be suprised if Angel is the last one.

[thamesvalidude]

Sunday morning = bad mood. Usually it's the Sunday paper effect, global warming, governmental incompetance, terrorism and the general state of the world. You know how you feel like we're all going to hell in a handcart once you put the papers down.
This morning, however, the catalyst for my ill humour is not a major world event, but a blue suited Lorne. How stupid do they think we are?
After all the complaints about the number of Buffy, Spike and Angel variants and the general dismay caused by the demise of the Angel line before it ever really got started, Sideshow flick us two fingers and give us a lame variant of one of the characters who wsn't even in all five seasons. And supposedly this is the end of the line.
Well thank you Sideshow. Thank you at least for producing a Giles before you abandoned the Buffy line. My next port of call is your site to cancel my PFs, I don't see why you should make such humungous profit out of my wallet when you treat lines I've supported faithfully to the point of buying very poor figures just to show support, with such cynicism. Somebody else can celebrate.
As for me I feel I've just heard the final insult!

[olvidadero]

I'm having a very rough weekend and the news of a PF Angel made up for it a little bit. However, I agree with whom said that this Angel was probably too advanced in production to be cancelled and it doesn't necessarily mean that the line is continuing as a PF line. We shouldn't take this announcement as a sign of continuation but as a goodbye gift.

[abstractharmony]

Remember the commissions my friends...

we can all be happy!

[thamesvalidude]

Remember the commissions my friends...

we can all be happy!


I know abstract...but I still can't help feeling let down by Sideshow, a Wes and a Fred should have been mandatory before they closed the Angel line....the rest would have been icing on the cake.

Oh well, as Dusty said "more opportunities for the customizers."

[TheObsoleteMan]

I still can't understand why Sideshow even bothered with an Angel line. They had to know that they weren't going to be huge sellers, and yet they made a a big deal of the announcement at the time. With the line ending so quickly, it's obvious now they weren't really committed to it, so it just seems strange that they bothered at all.

Despite my bellyaching at the line's early demise, I am glad they did bother. At least I got three very nice figures I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

[abstractharmony]

Despite my bellyaching at the line's early demise, I am glad they did bother. At least I got three very nice figures I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

That's right. I got my Seeley Booth out of it...

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/abstractharmony/Seely1.jpg

[sueworld]

Ha, wonderful!!

[Protozaius]

I still can't understand why Sideshow even bothered with an Angel line. They had to know that they weren't going to be huge sellers, and yet they made a a big deal of the announcement at the time. With the line ending so quickly, it's obvious now they weren't really committed to it, so it just seems strange that they bothered at all.

Despite my bellyaching at the line's early demise, I am glad they did bother. At least I got three very nice figures I wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

I couldn't agree more. :D

[Slayerverse98]

Love the Seeley Booth, abstractharmony.

I am very glad that there's going to be a PF Angel but i am sad to know that the Buffy and Angel lines are indeed finished. I've only been collecting since august 2005 and it seems way too early to end the line without an Anya, Tara and Dawn and the Angel line Fred, Wesley and Gunn. I can't understand why they'd leave out those main characters or why they ended the Angel line so early. However i am glad i got the oppertunity to own Angel, Lorne and Cordelia..

If he PF line does continue after Angel then i'd like to see the Scooby Gang being made. They're the only ones i'd buy unless Sideshow go crazy and make a Dark Willow, a new Buffy or a Faith

[BDboystoys]

On the PF front, I have to say I HIGHLY doubt SS will ever release another Buffy. Even having the alternate version was strange to me. Creating another would just bore people with so many Buffy's
When the line is so small currently, I think the worst thing that could be done is to make another PF of the same character. SS would be wanting to branch out to grab interest in the line, thus having a more diverse range of characters tio collect.

Well we already have:
-Buffy (x2)
-Spike
-Angel (coming soon)

In the future, if there are any more I would think SS would choose:
-Dark Willow
-Faith

I don't see much more coming from there on unfortunately. Dark Willow and Faith stand out as memorable, stand alone characters. Creating a PF Willow for example would just mean a continuation of the scoobies and would feel out of place without the rest of the gang.

[binky]

Buffy magazine Issue 93, 3 page special. Lorne and Giles are the last figures as the Sideshow range is being retired.


Ah, my blind optimism and faith is justified yet again. Not. Well, thanks for the info. Is there a scan of the article available anywhere? I would've hoped for something official from SS, but come to think of it, I don't think they've ever made an official announcement that they've stopped a line. I guess it wouldn't make much business sense, kind of like poking a wounded animal with a short stick. But the flip side is, you feel kind of silly for the time you spent debating wish lists of their next figure--and by this, I mean me, with the silly.

PF Angel - yes, but Buffy 2 - Cancel City. I might pick it up from a retailer or eBay later if they do something about the eyebrows.

binky

[Ironman1188]

Buffy/Angel 1:6 collectors:toilet_cl Sideshow

[Slayerverse98]

What's that mean?

[sueworld]

I think it means the line is 'going down the toilet'. :lol

And us with it, by the looks of it!:rotfl

[Slayerverse98]

I thought it meant Sideshow are saying to us collectos: eat sh..pooh or somethin

Dunno about anyone else but i'm avoiding the toilet

[BillyBudd]

...Creating a PF Willow for example would just mean a continuation of the scoobies and would feel out of place without the rest of the gang.

That's why I seriously doubt I will buy another PF after Angel is released. I don't like the idea of displaying Willow without Giles and Xander, and we all know that Giles and Xander have essentially no chance of being made.

A PF Big Bad would be cool though...the Judge, the Master, or an Ubervamp.

[BDboystoys]

That's why I seriously doubt I will buy another PF after Angel is released. I don't like the idea of displaying Willow without Giles and Xander, and we all know that Giles and Xander have essentially no chance of being made.

A PF Big Bad would be cool though...the Judge, the Master, or an Ubervamp.

Exactly. I'll stop after Buffy, Angel and Spike. Buffy represents her show, and Angel represents his show. Spike was a main character entwined in both shows, so he fits perfectly.
Unless SS would be committed to making the whole scooby gang, I wouldnt buy more beyond that. (maybe Faith though)

[Darklord Dave]

I think there are a few characters that would make great PFs and you wouldn't need the rest of the gang. Like having 7 of 9 from Voyager...

Dark Willow
Illyria
Faith

And the monsters would be great in PF -
The Master
Adam
The Judge
Turok-han

[ffl1940]

I think there are a few characters that would make great PFs and you wouldn't need the rest of the gang. Like having 7 of 9 from Voyager...

Dark Willow
Illyria
Faith

And the monsters would be great in PF -
The Master
Adam
The Judge
Turok-han


I agree several of those would be cool PFs (is Turok-han from Angel? not familiar with that name), however the only monster I could see SST making in PF format is one of The Gentlemen, they're creepy, iconic in the Buffyverse and may well appeal to non Buffy fans just because they look cool. They might sell 40 Adam PFs even if he looked cool he wasn't one of the more popular big bads, and the Judge is cool, but not PF Worth IMHO, I don't think there'd be enough people willing to drop $250+ on several of these guys.

I've got LBD Buffy PF and I'm getting Spike, but I'll pass on an Angel PF, UNLESS they give him a 1/4th Smile Time puppet, that would be a super-cool accessory and it'd be the difference maker in me deciding to buy it.


Beyond Angel with Smile Time puppet Angel I could only see myself getting a Dark Willow PF.

[Darklord Dave]

The Turok-han are the ubervamps from Season 7 of Buffy.

But realistically with the lines winding down, the only PFs I can see following Angel are a Dark Willow and Illyria. I'll be campaigning for both.

[BDboystoys]

Ah the Gentlemen would be wonderful in PF form. Also it would be very fitting considering they were the of the first Buffy figures to ever come out of SS. Ending it with a PF version would be cool.
I cant believe I gotgot Illyria though! She is my most wanted above Angel.:D

[FrankenFan]

Since we have a "Season One/pre-Season One" PF Buffy, and assuming the PF line will not be very extensive, I'm most interested in seeing likenesses of and characters from the early years that would complement the original Buffy, resulting in a more well-integrated and cohesive display.

I think we're off to a good start with Spike, and, I hope we see a learner, more feral-looking Angel/Angelus (assuming he comes with two heads, like Spike). Therefore, for the first Big Bad, I'd have to go with ol' fruit punch-mouth, The Master.

And I would love to see a Willow Rosenberg; No interest in Giles or Xander.

I agree with both Dave and ff1940 that there are a number of other Big and Little Bads that would make interesting figures and take full advantage of the PF format; Certainly The Judge, Adam, and an Uber-Vamp would fill the bill, and I'd definitely get one of the Gentlemen. (Which one? Camden Toy or Doug Jones?)

And Dark Willow? Check. Chosen Buffy? Check. Anyanka? Check. Drusilla (two heads)? Check. Darla (two heads)? Check. Illyrria? Check.

"And so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby..."

[Ironman1188]

I'm kind of surprised by the folks preparing for PF's, or the possibility thereof, and seemingly already abandoning the hopes of 1:6, even though both dreams are fruitless as the license is apparently done.
Thanks again, Sideshow. I guess we can clear out all the emoticons except for:
:chew and :emperor

[FrankenFan]

I'm kind of surprised by the folks preparing for PF's, or the possibility thereof, and seemingly already abandoning the hopes of 1:6, even though both dreams are fruitless as the license is apparently done.
Exactly, possibility. Just shootin' the breeze.

This one's for you, ironman1188:

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1662/gftripty0.jpg

[thamesvalidude]

I'm not sure the Buffy magazine is the absolute voice of certainty on the demise of the Buffy/Angel line, but I am certainly not going to be holding my breath in the wait for new releases. I used to have a source that kept me pretty reliably informed about future releases, but that person is no longer associated with S/S (indeed i had no idea a Giles was in preparation) so I have absolutely no idea what is happening now.
The general feeling is that all S/S 1/6 lines except Star Wars and LOTR are going to be deliberately neglected over the next couple of years.
Even so, we eventully saw a Skinner for the X-Files and a Giles for Buffy, so a very limited Wes is a distant albeit remote possibility.
i will wait for our customizers and see what they can come up with.
As for the PFs I cancelled the PF Buffy and Spike but have relented and re-ordered the Buffy. I will not be buying Spike or the projected Angel and I do not believe there will be any further PFs after that.
As for the blue suited Lorne, as far as I am concerned that can be inserted somewhere dark and painful.

[sueworld]

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As for the blue suited Lorne, as far as I am concerned that can be inserted somewhere dark and painful.

I think Lorne would quite like that!! :rotfl

[BillyBudd]

The Gentlemen are fan favorites, but they are just random monsters of the week. The Master and the Turok Han (aka Ubervamps) are much more significant to the history of the show, so I believe they are better candidates for the PF treatment. The Judge is somewhere in between monster of the week and main season villain.

While the Master or The Judge would definitely fit in better with early versions of Buffy, Angel, and Spike, I'm not sure they would sell as well as an Ubervamp, which I personally believe would be the best choice for a PF Big Bad. The Ubervamps are interesting from an aesthetic standpoint, and I think they have wider appeal than the Master or the Judge. The Ubervamps are much simpler demons. They are vicious animals without personalities that can potentially turn people off. Let's face it, the Master and the Judge's human personality traits can strike some people as a bit lame.

That said, I don't think an Ubervamp would be wildly successful. A Dark Witch Willow would probably sell better just because it's Willow. I'm not sure about Illyria. She's the only character we've discussed that never appeared in Buffy. I have to wonder whether that may impact sales because it seems to me that there are a lot of Buffy fans who never got into Angel (but not the reverse).

[ffl1940]

[QUOTE=BillyBudd] The Gentlemen are fan favorites... [QUOTE]

BillyBudd, the first words of your post are exactly why The Gentlemen would be the first Buffy monster PF IMHO.

I'm not saying The Gentlemen would be the best possible use of all that the PF line can offer, other Big Bads would look better, but I can't imagine many people buying an ubervamp. As someone who watch the series for seven years and has watched it twice since on DVD I couldn't remember what an ubervamp looked like, other than a general idea til I googled a picture. I'll never forget what The Gentleman look like.

[ffl1940]

[QUOTE=BillyBudd]The Gentlemen are fan favorites...[QUOTE]

BillyBudd, the first words of your post are exactly why The Gentlemen would be the first Buffy monster PF IMHO.

I'm not saying The Gentlemen would be the best possible use of all that the PF line can offer, other Big Bads would look better, but I can't imagine many people buying an ubervamp. As someone who watch the series for seven years and has watched it twice since on DVD I couldn't remember what an ubervamp looked like, other than a general idea til I googled a picture. I'll never forget what The Gentleman look like.

[BillyBudd]

...As someone who watch the series for seven years and has watched it twice since on DVD I couldn't remember what an ubervamp looked like, other than a general idea til I googled a picture...

I'm surprised to hear that. The Ubervamps were featured prominently in Season 7. They were probably in half the episodes, and the final battle of the entire series was the Slayers versus the Ubervamps.

[Protozaius]

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1662/gftripty0.jpg

That is one breath-taking image.

FrankenFan, you always had some of the best banners on the Freak board (before all of this "Civil War" nonsense :rolleyes: )... gently "suggesting" what should be in the next release in the Buffy line. It is sad indeed that the majority of them never became a reality. :monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2

I was hoping in light of line's demise, if I could ask you to run all of those banners one last time (that is IF he haven't deleted them already) and post them in this thread.

It would be much appreciated, FF! :monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey3

[ffl1940]

I'm surprised to hear that. The Ubervamps were featured prominently in Season 7. They were probably in half the episodes, and the final battle of the entire series was the Slayers versus the Ubervamps.


Yeah, I know what you mean, but what it is, I guess, is that they just kinda looked like other versions I've seen of vampires in other films and TV shows. Plus the ubervamps were bad guys, but they weren't THE bad guy and they didn't do anything special other than they were harder to kill. On the other hand, The Gentlemen were the main antagonists in what many Buffy fans would put on their top 3 episodes list and they were truly creepy and memorable. I could see non Buffy fans seeing an Ubervamp and thinking "is that an orc?"

[Darklord Dave]

I'm kind of surprised by the folks preparing for PF's, or the possibility thereof, and seemingly already abandoning the hopes of 1:6

In the article in the Buffy magazine they said Giles is the last except for a Lorne variant and that the PFs will continue. Buffy magazine always gets their info directly, usually from Brant, so that's why the direction of this thread.

And very cool banner FF!

[Firefly Flanatic]

I'm not sure the Buffy magazine is the absolute voice of certainty on the demise of the Buffy/Angel line, but I am certainly not going to be holding my breath in the wait for new releases. I used to have a source that kept me pretty reliably informed about future releases, but that person is no longer associated with S/S (indeed i had no idea a Giles was in preparation) so I have absolutely no idea what is happening now.
The general feeling is that all S/S 1/6 lines except Star Wars and LOTR are going to be deliberately neglected over the next couple of years.
Even so, we eventully saw a Skinner for the X-Files and a Giles for Buffy, so a very limited Wes is a distant albeit remote possibility.
i will wait for our customizers and see what they can come up with.
As for the PFs I cancelled the PF Buffy and Spike but have relented and re-ordered the Buffy. I will not be buying Spike or the projected Angel and I do not believe there will be any further PFs after that.
As for the blue suited Lorne, as far as I am concerned that can be inserted somewhere dark and painful.

I also had someone who was giving me early news on what the upcoming releases were. He told me about Vamp Buffy and Darla, the Angel line being announced and what figures were coming for that and Giles. He was never wrong. So I was soon expecting to hear about the other four he told me about. I'm not going to say what they were going to be because I'm hopeful that the line truly is just on hiatus for awhile and why upset everyone if it is indeed over. If we aren't going to get these figures I wish I hadn't already known we were supposed to.

[Protozaius]

I also had someone who was giving me early news on what the upcoming releases were. He told me about Vamp Buffy and Darla, the Angel line being announced and what figures were coming for that and Giles. He was never wrong. So I was soon expecting to hear about the other four he told me about. I'm not going to say what they were going to be because I'm hopeful that the line truly is just on hiatus for awhile and why upset everyone if it is indeed over. If we aren't going to get these figures I wish I hadn't already known we were supposed to.

The Lost Four??? :monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2

I read awhile back in the Buffy magazine that Sideshow was exploring clothing options for Illyria. Was she one of those four? :monkey5 :monkey5 :monkey5

Perhaps none of them ever went far enough in the production pipeline to be released. But perhaps there is still hope that the Angel line (not Buffy) is in fact on hiatus.

[Firefly Flanatic]

The Lost Four??? :monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2

I read awhile back in the Buffy magazine that Sideshow was exploring clothing options for Illyria. Was she one of those four? :monkey5 :monkey5 :monkey5

Perhaps none of them ever went far enough in the production pipeline to be released. But perhaps there is still hope that the Angel line (not Buffy) is in fact on hiatus.

Well, I really can't tell you who they were going to be because I promised my source that I wouldn't tell anyone. I will say that two were for the Angel line and two for the Buffy line. And when he told me he had known what Vamp Buffy and D'Hoffryn looked like months before they were announced. He even mentioned D'Hoffryn having a brown robe.

And I will tell you that none of them were Illyria. I wouldn't be surprised if they are continuing with the PF figures that Illyria would be one of them. I know that there was some mention awhile back in one of the "Ask Sideshow" threads that they thought trying to do Illyria in 1/6 scale would be too difficult which, to me, hinted that maybe they'd do her in the PF scale.

[TheObsoleteMan]

I'll bet those two Angel figures were Wes and Gunn. :monkey2

[thamesvalidude]

Sideshow have a history of starting figures but cancelling them if the projected sales volumes don't match targets. The Viking in the "live by the sword line" being a classic example. It would be cool to find out if there are existing sculpts of Wes, Gunn etc and whether there was any way we could get hold of them.
I would be prepared to pay well over the odds to complete my collection.

Are you listening Sideshow?

[LordAzrael]

Sideshow have a history of starting figures but cancelling them if the projected sales volumes don't match targets. The Viking in the "live by the sword line" being a classic example. It would be cool to find out if there are existing sculpts of Wes, Gunn etc and whether there was any way we could get hold of them.
I would be prepared to pay well over the odds to complete my collection.

Are you listening Sideshow?

I'd be in for it. Unfortunately I doubt SSC would release them but you never know.

Am I the only one who thinks the Hasbro Mace looks alot like Gunn ?

[BillyBudd]

I bet Anya was going to be next in the Buffy line. And maybe Anyanka, too.

[Anzik]

I know whats gonna happen. There's going to be alot of really cool customs that get done, including abstracts commission idea, we'll get Wes, Fred, Gunn, Tara and Anya (Dawn is iffy) and then SSC will resurrect the line begining with Wes, Gunn, Fred, Tara and Anya.

[Protozaius]

Well, I really can't tell you who they were going to be because I promised my source that I wouldn't tell anyone. I will say that two were for the Angel line and two for the Buffy line. And when he told me he had known what Vamp Buffy and D'Hoffryn looked like months before they were announced. He even mentioned D'Hoffryn having a brown robe.

And I will tell you that none of them were Illyria. I wouldn't be surprised if they are continuing with the PF figures that Illyria would be one of them. I know that there was some mention awhile back in one of the "Ask Sideshow" threads that they thought trying to do Illyria in 1/6 scale would be too difficult which, to me, hinted that maybe they'd do her in the PF scale.

I appreciate your position... I wasn't exactly asking you directly IF one of the four were Illyria. The question was meant to be purely rhetorical. So much for me being subtle in my postings. :rolleyes:

Sincerely, I wasn't trying to "monkey wrench" anything out of you. :monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey3

Though I am a bit envious... I would love to have somebody on the inside feeding me bits of information. :monkey5 :monkey5 :monkey5

It seems to take forever for any real "official" announcements. :monkey2 :monkey2 :monkey2

[blue_rogue]

Can SS even do PFs of characters from Angel? I would assume they only have the liscence for BTVS characters, which would mean no Illyria PF.

[Darklord Dave]

They can do PFs from the show Angel. They'll probably bill the Angel PF as being from "Angel."

[FrankenFan]

FrankenFan, you always had some of the best banners on the Freak board... gently "suggesting" what should be in the next release in the Buffy line. It is sad indeed that the majority of them never became a reality.

I was hoping in light of line's demise, if I could ask you to run all of those banners one last time (that is IF he haven't deleted them already) and post them in this thread.

It would be much appreciated, FF!
Thanks for noticing, Protozaius!

In order to keep this thread on track, I've created a new thread, and posted all of the Buffy and Angel banners (http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?p=379462#post379462), there.

I also had someone who was giving me early news on what the upcoming releases were.
Hey, Firefly Flanatic! You're not getting off that easy...

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4107/whtdyknwxz2.jpg

Is "Vampire Stake" (http://btvsfigs.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=sideshow&action=display&thread=1172834364&page=2#1172899932) at BtVSFigs board your source?

[Firefly Flanatic]

Thanks for noticing, Protozaius!

In order to keep this thread on track, I've created a new thread, and posted all of the Buffy and Angel banners (http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?p=379462#post379462), there.


Hey, Firefly Flanatic! You're not getting off that easy...

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4107/whtdyknwxz2.jpg

Is "Vampire Stake" (http://btvsfigs.proboards48.com/index.cgi?board=sideshow&action=display&thread=1172834364&page=2#1172899932) at BtVSFigs board your source?

Now that's a pretty good guess!:lol

[Sire]

Im guessing it was Wes and Fred in the works for Angel with a new Buffy and a new human Spike for the BTVS line... Bah! I bet those Buffy and spike figures wouldve sold really well and probaly breathed alot of life into the line.

[Serpentor]

Season 7 buffy and spike would have been great. It would have been better if they released a spike with alternate heads as well. A well done Buffy or Spike would have definatley given the line a good boost.

[Ironman1188]

Season 7 buffy and spike would have been great. It would have been better if they released a spike with alternate heads as well. A well done Buffy or Spike would have definatley given the line a good boost.
Unfortunately, $$C decided to give the line the boot instead of a boost. :monkey2

[Serpentor]

Yeah it sucks if the past few releases hadnt been selling well instread of giving it a boost with a good Buffy or new Human face Spike(who could have even done good for the Angel line) they chose to retire it and say they covered the main cast. The angel line really isnt even a line with 3 figures and only 2 new ones.

[olvidadero]

One thought comes to my mind every time I come to this board: We cannot die without our 1:6 core Angel cast complete and the rest of the Scooby gang from Buffy. I don't care how long does it take, we musn't stop the "Bring back B/A line" campaign for nothing, Sideshow must learn that there are many many unhappy collectors dying to have their collection complete. Don't tell me the core cast is covered, no one buys that!!!

Keep making noise!

[Slayerverse98]

Well said!

[Anzik]

I hope they do the blue suit Lorne if for no other reason than I can use the clothes for a Sweet custom.

[Ironman1188]

One thought comes to my mind every time I come to this board: We cannot die without our 1:6 core Angel cast complete and the rest of the Scooby gang from Buffy. I don't care how long does it take, we musn't stop the "Bring back B/A line" campaign for nothing, Sideshow must learn that there are many many unhappy collectors dying to have their collection complete. Don't tell me the core cast is covered, no one buys that!!!

Keep making noise!

I'm with you 100%, but...You need to find a "middle ground" of noise.
The Ape cause tried the polite, asking, quiet begging way and has been ignored both by receiving no new figures and not even a visit to the thread by any $ide$how VIP's in an extremely long time. If they truly loved the line as they said you'd think they'd pop in from time to time..
The Kurgan's were a bit more.....flamboyent, in their method and not only was the requested figure not acknowledged or made, the entire line was cancelled and no remnant of it remains archived to prove it ever happened.
I hope they do reconsider and issue the "core" characters. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what the core characters of ANY license are, once $ide$how thinks they covered them, its a done deal.

[olvidadero]

The Kurgan's were a bit more.....flamboyent, in their method and not only was the requested figure not acknowledged or made, the entire line was cancelled and no remnant of it remains archived to prove it ever happened.


Lately, several Buffy 1:6 figures that seemed to be a long way from selling out surprisingly are disappearing from Sideshow's catalog (Der Kindestod, Vamp Spike). I don't want to think of the "Highlander" case, but it's evident something's going on.

[olvidadero]

Oh, and one more thing. Please those who haven't voted on the poll of the homepage of this site, please do it. let's bring Buffy to the number one

[angel]

i agree with everyone so far, i (as you all know ) am in the process of re-building the hyperion hotel to display the 12 inch angel figures, but i guess that was a waist of time and money if there isnt going to be any more, its a very big model just for 3 figures.
I think its sad that they can just turn there backs on the buffy and angel fans just like that. i think the collectors deserve better.

Angel

www.hyperionhotel.com

[olvidadero]

Vamp Willow also sold out out of the blue, why are they doing this??

[Protozaius]

I wonder if Sideshow hasn't found a way of "blowing out" figures... through some toy liquidation outlet of some sort. Many "deadbeat" figures recently have gone from "In Stock" to "Sold Out" without even appearing in the "Limited Quanities" Section of the newsletter. I find that rather odd. :confused:

And nothing says that Sideshow is DONE with a line completely than not having any to offer in stock... by any means necessary. :monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey3

[Darth Rage]

Perhaps soon it will disappear completely like the Highlander line. :monkey2

[olvidadero]

Perhaps soon it will disappear completely like the Highlander line. :monkey2


That's what's been crossing my mind but I didn't have the guts to say it out loud...:monkey2

[Ironman1188]

Perhaps soon it will disappear completely like the Highlander line. :monkey2
They keep alienating core customers and fans and the whole site could disappear completely.

[figuremasterles]

Sorry, I am on a GOOD GRIEF roll here...and this thread needs it BADLY in response to this move by SS...

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a10/angremien/goodgrief.jpg

[Buffanatic]

I've been buying BTVS/Angel figs. from Sideshow since they first came out with them. I have them ALL. Now, I want to change my user name (if I could figure out how.)!!!!!:monkey4 :monkey4 :monkey4 :monkey4Yes, I am not happy about it, yes, I am miffed, yes I am!!!

[screamingmetal]

I've been buying BTVS/Angel figs. from Sideshow since they first came out with them. I have them ALL. Now, I want to change my user name (if I could figure out how.)!!!!!:monkey4 :monkey4 :monkey4 :monkey4Yes, I am not happy about it, yes, I am miffed, yes I am!!!
You can change your user name by sending an email to Darklord Dave.

[olvidadero]

According to this week's newsletter, Oz is 3 pieces away from selling out. It seems once they have gotten rid of every Buffy/Angel 12 inch figure in their catalog, we might have the "Highlander experience".

[devlinboy]

any word if this line is going to start up again? HIOOOOOO

[BuffyGirl]

Word is that this line is still on hiatus. Which here is what I am confused about...

When we were told about this hiatus I emailed sideshow to find out about it. The email stated they weren't cancelling the line, just putting it on hold as they had once did after making the hush figures.

Then, they made PF's. So I figured even tho Buffy/Angel line, it's not the same line as the 1/6. So I email them again and ask about the PF's. Well, the email returned to me stated the same thing. That the buffy and angel line (1/6 and 1:4 all the same) was on hiatus.

WHAT? I was so confused. Still am. If the line was on hiatus, how was it that bbbbbbbbbb (sorry for all the b's but my cat just wanted to share his thoughts) they could make Pf's in the middle of a hiatus and call it the same line?

[The Craw]

hiatus of a SS line means the same as when a TV show goes on hiatus.:lecture

just ask those x-files fans who are still waiting for the lone gunmen figures. we even saw pics of the finished sculpts for those guys.:monkey2

[abadguy]

Buffy had quite a few different figures while Angel only had 3. I think if they reconsider and start producing more Whedon figures, Angel is the series they need to revisit. Sideshow is right though, the core Buffy characters were already created. Angel still has Wesley and Gunn, maybe even someone from Wolfram & Hart.

[abadguy]

hiatus of a SS line means the same as when a TV show goes on hiatus.:lecture

just ask those x-files fans who are still waiting for the lone gunmen figures. we even saw pics of the finished sculpts for those guys.:monkey2

If they were to make more X-Files figures, which I hope they eventually do, I'd rather have Mr. X or the Alien Bounty Hunter.

[Odowankenobi]

Sideshow is right though, the core Buffy characters were already created.

As long as we don't have Anya, Tara, and Dawn, then the core characters have not been created.

[Memnoch]

As long as we don't have Anya, Tara, and Dawn, then the core characters have not been created.

And they never will unless you get a custom figure. SS will never come out and say a line is dead, but Buffy/Angel is almost as dead as dead can be. Give it time and I'm sure (like Highlander) all remnants will be swept away.

[Odowankenobi]

I know. I'm not one of those that holds onto hope even though it's futile. I'm just saying that Sideshow's logic that the core characters have been made is faulty.

I can almost compare this to the fanaticism of certain browncoats who refuse to believe that Firefly is dead.

[Anzik]

One problem is that sideshow failed to deliver in a timely fashion. Fans screamed for Giles and Xander and then they made them after the demand dropped.

They are letting the ship pass them by on the Lord Of The Rings, and this is the height of Indiana Jones and they have one figure.

[The Craw]

One problem is that sideshow failed to deliver in a timely fashion. Fans screamed for Giles and Xander and then they made them after the demand dropped.

They are letting the ship pass them by on the Lord Of The Rings, and this is the height of Indiana Jones and they have one figure.that's why HT is the wave of the future. by the end of the year ill have 3 batman figures, 2 batman vehicles and 1 empty bank account. but well worth it.

[Odowankenobi]

One problem is that sideshow failed to deliver in a timely fashion. Fans screamed for Giles and Xander and then they made them after the demand dropped.

They are letting the ship pass them by on the Lord Of The Rings, and this is the height of Indiana Jones and they have one figure.

Or wasting a spot on a monster from an entirely forgettable episode (Der Kindestod)

[The Craw]

Or wasting a spot on a monster from an entirely forgettable episode (Der Kindestod)yup. shoulda made the judge or an ubervamp.

[Anzik]

Are you kiddin' me?

Spike
Angel
Buffy
Xander
Giles
Oz
are all dead ringers or at the very least strong resemblance and they all sold out at a good pace until the last two releases. SSC dropped the ball by putting out too many obscure characters before the core was done. They subscribe to a belief that you have to sprinkle the line with secondary characters. By the time Giles was made, the hype died and the sales suffered.

Willow and Faith weren't close at all but they were the exception. In Sideshow's history their sculpts have always been their strongest selling point.

[The Craw]

Are you kiddin' me?

Spike
Angel
Buffy
Xander
Giles
Oz
are all dead ringers or at the very least strong resemblance and they all sold out at a good pace until the last two releases. SSC dropped the ball by putting out too many obscure characters before the core was done. They subscribe to a belief that you have to sprinkle the line with secondary characters. By the time Giles was made, the hype died and the sales suffered.

Willow and Faith weren't close at all but they were the exception. In Sideshow's history their sculpts have always been their strongest selling point.i agree. the head sculpts are on. especially the first 3. i hate the faith one(sorry). i hate willow but i own her. i bought her repainted and she looks a little better but not perfect. but you have to have a willow in the collection. you just have to. so what are we supposed to do.:lol
oz, xander, giles, and dyhoffryn all look perfect except for sub par paint jobs. the paint jobs dont suck but they could be a little better. human spike will always be my favorite SS sculpt. it's so real looking its scary. i dont plan on selling any of my SS figures but if i ever had to i would never sell spike.

[binky]

Despite the fact I personally prefer to give artists free rein in the scanned vs. hand sculpted debate, I have to say Grad Buffy, Angel, and Spike were by far their best sculpts. After that it was a few hits and quite a few misses.

I guess it was understandable to release those Big 3 first, considering the line was new, SS probably didn't know if it would continue, etc. which is maybe why they handled the PF line the way they did too. But it set the bar too high for what was to follow and justified the mediocre and sometimes bizarre obscure figure choices we slogged to to get to the core characters in order to finally end, with a dying gasp, on Giles.

Hindsight is 20/20 but...

After those 3 excellent releases, progressively inferior redux after redux of those 3 main characters in order to keep them in the active lineup. As if the show didn't have other equally important characters. It was an ensemble cast after all.

Obscure MOTW and one-shot characters like Vampire Buffy, Darla, Willow, and even Druscilla in vamp face instead of iconic Big Bads like The Mayor, Dark Willow, Glory, or major bad guys like Caleb or the Judge. Dru and Darla are sticking points—why not the human faces? I would’ve liked those infinitely more. Maybe the old standby explanation of monsters are easier to sculpt than humans is true. But then, the vamp portraits except for Buffy which was just overlaid over Olaf’s scanned portrait IMO all were poor portraits. I think so anyway—very little resemblance to the actors in vamp face.

Waiting too long to release Xander, Willow, and Giles.

Releasing major, core, popular characters (Willow, Faith) with truly off portraits. Faith was bad enough, but Willow was a lot of fans’ favorite character. She was and still is mine. What personally kept me hopeful and still committed to the line was the possibility they would do a redux of her with a better portrait, maybe from the later seasons. Instead we got Billy Idol and fancy pants Angel.

Dropping the line before finishing with major secondary characters—i.e., Anya, Tara, and Dawn.

Limiting the exclusives to 1 piece per customer even toward the end of the line—why keep that in place with demand decreasing?

With that all said, you guys have to admit, on top of Sideshow’s mistakes, Buffy and Angel fans are as fickle as you can get. Figures are figures—sure, they were late on Giles and the Angel… er, trio (sigh), but those were among the best releases and still were the slowest sellers. At $40 each, they weren’t too expensive, either. Let’s face it. A mass-produced toy can’t be made for just 100 die-hard fans, no matter how vocal they are.

And on that note…

He-Willow is again on sale! How many can they still have after the Spooktacular and $1 shipping blowout? And still there are more!

[Anzik]

Yeah and you would think SSC would learn. They have made the same mistake of not completing lines promptly with Planet Of The Apes, X-Files, Highlander, Bond, and Indiana Jones seems to be on this course as well with only one figure announced after a whole year and movie about to move out of the last remaining theaters.

[BUFFY2ANGEL4EVER]

Here is my opinion :
LIST 1 : well done and good choice : Graduation Day Buffy, School Hard Spike, Becoming Angel, Giles, Xander, Oz, Master, Lorne, You're Welcome Cordelia, City of Angel.

LIST 2 : well done but less necessary : vampire Angel, vampire Spike, vampire Drusilla (but a human Drusilla would have a better choice, vampire Darla (same problem than Drusilla), werewolf Oz

LIST 3 : well done but really not necessary : D'Hoffryn, Der Kindestod, Origins Angel, vampire Willow, vampire Buffy

LIST 4 : necessary but bad done : Willow (only the face, because I like everything else), Faith

LIST 5 : really not necessary and bad done : Prophecy Girl Buffy (horrible rooted hair and big head and bad paintjob that ruin the good headsculpt), punk Spike (only the face, because the rest is good).

So LIST 1 is perfect for any collection.
LIST 4 would have been also perfect in any collection with better headscupts.
LIST 2 is perfect if you want good choices of demon faces.
LIST 3 and 5 should not exist even if most of those figures are well done. Instead of those 7 figures, they should have done at least those 7 figures : Anya, Tara, Riley and Dawn for Buffy, and Wesley, Fred and Gunn for Angel.

[Migwit]

The Buffy/Angel 12" line is dead. Dead dead dead. There, I said it. :monkey2

I long for the day that Sideshow proves me wrong, however... :lol

I, too, feel the empty spot in my Buffy/Angel lines. There were SO many lovely possibilites, and I was so sure that Anya would be released, especially when Sideshow announced D'Hoffryn. I mean, how can you have D'Hoffryn and not Anya? (Don't get me wrong, I LOVE D'Hoffryn; Sideshow had me at the little monster tail sticking out of the hole-punched gift box :banana .)

The 'core' gang, as indicated in the Buffy finale, was always Buffy, Willow, Xander, and Giles. I suppose that's what Sideshow means when they've said all the 'core' characters are represented.

The 'core' gang of Angel is a little more liquid, IMO. We have Angel and Cordelia. Wouldn't/shouldn't the 'core' include Doyle and Wesley, at minimum? Or do we say Gunn and Fred complete the Angel 'core' group? :confused:

Generally speaking, for me there have been and still are soooo many other figures I would have liked to see from both lines, but especially Anya, Tara, and Wesley. :monkey3

[TheObsoleteMan]

The 'core' gang of Angel is a little more liquid, IMO. We have Angel and Cordelia. Wouldn't/shouldn't the 'core' include Doyle and Wesley, at minimum? Or do we say Gunn and Fred complete the Angel 'core' group? :confused:


The core Team Angel would be Angel, Cordy, Wes, Gunn, Fred and Lorne. Doyle was a great character, but his time on the show was far too short to be considered a core member imo. Same goes for Illyria and Spike.

[madeboxer]

Are you kiddin' me?

Spike
Angel
Buffy
Xander
Giles
Oz
are all dead ringers or at the very least strong resemblance

Are YOU kidding ME!!!

Although you are dead on regarding the guys of BTVS but Buffy looked way too old and did not have that knowing smirk she usually had when cracking jokes about the ghoul of the evening. Willow looked nothing like Hannigan and looked frightened. Faith just looked whipped

Then there is the fact that they left out Dawn, Anya, Skip and the nerds. The did the doppleganger Willow but not the Dark Witch Willow? geez

[BuffyGirl]

Are YOU kidding ME!!!

Although you are dead on regarding the guys of BTVS but Buffy looked way too old and did not have that knowing smirk she usually had when cracking jokes about the ghoul of the evening. Willow looked nothing like Hannigan and looked frightened. Faith just looked whipped

Then there is the fact that they left out Dawn, Anya, Skip and the nerds. The did the doppleganger Willow but not the Dark Witch Willow? geez

And you meant to add, they did vamp willow and NOT vamp xander. Hello, they kind of go together. But I truly am glad they didn't do the trio. I wouldn't have bought them. Maybe Andrew, but that's it.

[sueworld]

I keep meaning to have a go at doing a vamp Xander custom. Lets face it, it would be an easy one to put together. I have a space 'City of ' Angel outfit that would work wonderfully as his outfit.

[HL2 Master]

I keep meaning to have a go at doing a vamp Xander custom. Lets face it, it would be an easy one to put together. I have a space 'City of ' Angel outfit that would work wonderfully as his outfit.

Hey Sue,

Funny you mention that, Im working on vamp Xander I just cant figure out the right combo of paints for his skin tone. Sculptin and out fit is complete though. I am using COA Angels gear for him too.

HL2

[Eli26]

Hey Sue,

Funny you mention that, Im working on vamp Xander I just cant figure out the right combo of paints for his skin tone. Sculptin and out fit is complete though. I am using COA Angels gear for him too.

HL2

Buy my Hush figure and come on MSN so we chat some Buffy bud.

btw I just got my Spike PF! He's awesome!

[sueworld]

Hey Sue,

Funny you mention that, Im working on vamp Xander I just cant figure out the right combo of paints for his skin tone. Sculptin and out fit is complete though. I am using COA Angels gear for him too.

HL2

Yeah, thats what I chose to use too. :rolleyes: I mean those clothes are perfect aren't they.

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1991/willowxander02nue4.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=willowxander02nue4.jpg)

[DarthTrafford]

Even though the lines are on hold, it gives me & my twin brother time to hunt down some figures we don't have in our collection yet.
My brother just won Werewolf Oz off eBay for $52.
He can't wait to get him.
:chew

[Eli26]

My goal is to win all the Buffy/Angel figures. :D