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Darth Waller
02-09-2007, 09:35 AM
Discussions of the Children of Hurin book got me digging around on Amazon UK. Looks like there are two books coming out detailing the history of The Hobbit similar to the History of the Middle Earth books.

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The History of the Hobbit: Mr Baggins v. 1 (May 2007)

A major new examination of how J.R.R.Tolkien came to write his original masterpiece 'The Hobbit', including his complete unpublished draft version of the story, and many little-known illustrations and previously unpublished maps by Tolkien himself. The History of the Hobbit presents for the first time, in two volumes, the complete unpublished text of the original manuscript of J.R.R.Tolkien's The Hobbit, accompanied by John Rateliff's lively and informative account of how the book came to be written and published. As well as recording the numerous changes made to the story both before and after publication, it examines - chapter-by-chapter - why those changes were made and how they reflect Tolkien's ever-growing concept of Middle-earth. The Hobbit was first published on 21 September 1937. Like its successor, The Lord of the Rings, it is a story that "grew in the telling", and many characters and story threads in the published text are completely different from what Tolkien first wrote to read aloud to his young sons as part of their "fireside reads". As well as reproducing the original version of one of literature's most famous stories, both on its own merits and as the foundation for The Lord of the Rings, this new book includes many little-known illustrations and previously unpublished maps for The Hobbit by Tolkien himself. Also featured are extensive annotations and commentaries on the date of composition, how Tolkien's professional and early mythological writings influenced the story, the imaginary geography he created, and how Tolkien came to revise the book years after publication to accommodate events in The Lord of the Rings. Like Christopher Tolkien's The History of The Lord of the Rings before it, this is a thoughtful yet exhaustive examination of one of the most treasured stories in English literature. Long overdue for a classic book now celebrating 70 years in print, this companion edition offers fascinating new insights for those who have grown up with this enchanting tale, and will delight those who are about to enter Bilbo's round door for the first time.

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The History of the Hobbit: Return to Bag-End v. 2 (June 2007)

This second volume picks up Bilbo Baggins' story half-way through his journey and chronicles how, after much adversity, he must still face the mighty dragon, Smaug, carry out the burglary for which he has been recruited, and return safely home to Bag-End. But not everything goes to plan...

There's a write-up about this collection on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_The_Hobbit

The Josh
02-09-2007, 09:47 AM
Interesting. I might pick this up just to see why some changes where made and how the book could have been different.

Seretur
02-09-2007, 10:53 AM
Josh, you can already see all that in The Annotated Hobbit by Doug Anderson, out now in a revised edition.

Anyway, I've been waiting for AGES for this book to come out! Christopher Tolkien drew the line on The Hobbit when he was writing HoME, and this is the only major account of the genesis of a Tolkien work that has been unavailable. But the outcome seems to be worth the wait!

Does anyone know what's the status of Tolkien's translation of Beowulf, btw? I liked Drout's first volume, can't wait for the second.

The Josh
02-09-2007, 11:02 AM
Ok I still might get this though.

lcummins
02-09-2007, 12:20 PM
Josh, you can already see all that in The Annotated Hobbit by Doug Anderson, out now in a revised edition.

Anyway, I've been waiting for AGES for this book to come out! Christopher Tolkien drew the line on The Hobbit when he was writing HoME, and this is the only major account of the genesis of a Tolkien work that has been unavailable. But the outcome seems to be worth the wait!

Does anyone know what's the status of Tolkien's translation of Beowulf, btw? I liked Drout's first volume, can't wait for the second.

Amazon has a page for this, but it is unavailable for order, even though we have a scheduled publish date! Anybody know when it will be available to order?

carbo-fation
02-09-2007, 12:25 PM
I had no idea about these books! I am getting these along with Children of Hurin!

Darth Waller
02-09-2007, 12:26 PM
Amazon has a page for this, but it is unavailable for order, even though we have a scheduled publish date! Anybody know when it will be available to order?

If they don't put it up by May, I'll just order it from Amazon UK.

RoboDad
02-09-2007, 01:30 PM
Does anyone know what's the status of Tolkien's translation of Beowulf, btw? I liked Drout's first volume, can't wait for the second.
Is this the first volume you are referring to?

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RoboDad
02-09-2007, 01:40 PM
Amazon has a page for this, but it is unavailable for order, even though we have a scheduled publish date! Anybody know when it will be available to order?
I think the problem may be that there are separate publishers for the US and UK editions. Harper Collins is the UK publisher, and they appear to have officially announced the release date for their editions. The US editions will be published by Houghton Mifflin, and there doesn't appear to be any official announcement from them yet.

lcummins
02-09-2007, 01:56 PM
I think the problem may be that there are separate publishers for the US and UK editions. Harper Collins is the UK publisher, and they appear to have officially announced the release date for their editions. The US editions will be published by Houghton Mifflin, and there doesn't appear to be any official announcement from them yet.

Yeah, that's what I figured it probably was!!! What a year this is going to be!!! So much new Tolkien to read at one time!!! And I've always wanted to read the original version of The Hobbit before it was changed! I can't wait!!!

Seretur
02-09-2007, 04:09 PM
Is this the first volume you are referring to?

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Yep. A very thorough, possibly even too thorough analysis of the text of The Monsters & The Critics. Lovely, but I can't wait to get more of Beowulf by Tolkien. The fragment published in the Professor's essay "On Translating Beowulf" is just about the best rendering of the poem into English language I've ever encountered -- as is only fitting for the greatest expert on Old English of our time.

Seretur
02-09-2007, 04:13 PM
Yeah, that's what I figured it probably was!!! What a year this is going to be!!! So much new Tolkien to read at one time!!! And I've always wanted to read the original version of The Hobbit before it was changed! I can't wait!!!

BTW, the reverse-engineering Tolkien did with the text of The Hobbit after LOTR came out was vast, and yet not vast enough. But it certainly eclipses anything George Lucas has done to the OT. Strange, then, that noone is up in arms about it! Imagine the Gollum Shot First banners...

The entire list of changes between all editions is available in The Annotated Hobbit, which is a beautiful book.