The Crack of Doom Diorama

[tomandshell]

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/behindtheshow/?page_id=2567&source=020107news

Frodo & Gollum at the Crack of Doom it is.

Nice video, by the way!

[LOTRFan]

Very classy, and an excellent likeness to both characters. :clap

[tomandshell]

I hope this doesn't hurt our chances of ever getting a "Sam carrying Frodo" diorama.

I would like to see a full picture of this one!

[creature4000]

PASS!!! :monkey1

This better not pospone more LOTR 12"!!!!! or PF for that matter!!!

[Reinhardt]

thanks for the link! great video. frodo looks a bit thin... gonna wait till i see better pics. i AM excited about this line though.

[Agent23]

Very cool introduction, (love the Galadriel touch). Great likeness on both characters.

Probably won't order. But, I like what I see so far.

[The ill Jedi]

That is sweet!!

[Darth Loki]

It looks good, but I'm so glad that I have no interest in it.

[Agent23]

It looks good, but I'm so glad that I have no interest in it.


Kinda how I feel. I do like it. But, I'm not really interested in it. I am looking forward to the next P.F. announcement more then any other LotR announcements at this point.

[Darth Rage]

Not feeling it. I don't want angry Frodo on my shelf.

[Agent23]

The name of it is kinda funny "Crack of Doom"...

Here I was thinking I was gonna see Dr. Doom's hind end.

:lol

[jason2885]

I dont know if I should invest in this line or not I guess it depends on price.

[Seretur]

PASS.

A very uneasy pass, actually, as I really, really hoped to collect every piece from this line.

But this is a truly non-iconic moment -- a deviation from Tolkien that PJ & Co. thought up during their lunch break. A huge missed opportunity, especially considering so many other moments Frodo and Sam had in the story, both book and film.

The likeness looks excellent, to be fair, but the composition doesn't. However, it might be just what so many other fans want, and it might sell out in a heartbeat.

But even if it has an ES of 5, and I had an exclusive chance to get it, I wouldn't. I'm THAT disappointed.

And I really thought that I'd be third time lucky, and get a Sideshow LOTR line right up my alley (as I decided against the PFs, and never did collect 12" figures). Sigh.

:confused:

[SideshowDusty]

The name of it is kinda funny "Crack of Doom"...

Here I was thinking I was gonna see Dr. Doom's hind end.

:lol

And you call yourselves big LOTR film fans :ogat That's the name of the DVD chapter when they have the tussle!

[King Darkness]

The name of it is kinda funny "Crack of Doom"...

Here I was thinking I was gonna see Dr. Doom's hind end.

:lol

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

Crack of Doom is funny in a very juvenile way.

[Wetanut]

like it like it like it.
And Chris.....GREAT presentation page!

[Vizcad]

WOW!!!! These are going to rock!!!!! Thanks Sideshow for such dynamic collectibles. Im collecting PF/12"/LB but these have a life of their own. Movie Moments captured in polystone!Cant wait to see what else is in store....!!!!
:D :D :D :D

[Gruson]

No interest....Sideshow needs to concentrate on the LOTR PF line!

:)

[Bannister]

And you call yourselves big LOTR film fans :ogat That's the name of the DVD chapter when they have the tussle!
Really!!! I will have to check my dvd just to make sure. How cool.:monkey5

[Agent23]

And you call yourselves big LOTR film fans :ogat That's the name of the DVD chapter when they have the tussle!

Sorry Dusty. I couldn't resist.

Actually, I didn't even know that was the name of it. It does make sense.

:D

[Bannister]

Why couldn't the Frodo PF have that good of a likeness. This looks great. I will definitely be buying it.

[pruette]

Looks good, although I doubt I'm going to start a new LOTR line right now. It seems like this piece might be a little bigger than the 1:9 scale cited in the original line announcement, since Frodo and Gollum are going to be quite small at that scale.

Final decision will depend on the price point and scale for me.

[ChrisfromSideshow]

like it like it like it.
And Chris.....GREAT presentation page!

*blush* Thanks Wetanut - Travis did the video, and Marc made it work in Flash..:)

[King Darkness]

Oh yeah....easy pass:D

[El Roranous]

The name of it is kinda funny "Crack of Doom"...

Here I was thinking I was gonna see Dr. Doom's hind end.

:lol
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/thee_iron_spider/Hrdoom.gif
...in my crack!

[Bannister]

thanks for the link! great video. frodo looks a bit thin... gonna wait till i see better pics. i AM excited about this line though.
Shouldn't Frodo look thin though. This is afterall at the end where he hasn't had much food for a while.

[Bannister]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/thee_iron_spider/Hrdoom.gif
...in my crack!
of Doom!!!!

[WetaWork]

No interest as well. I bet we will see an ES of less than 500.

[El Roranous]

of Doom!!!!:rock :rock :rock

[The Mike]

The likenesses are great if the Frodo PF was that good I'd have it in a second. Will be passing but interested in the line as a whole...

[Bannister]

Did someone say crack?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Tyrone_Biggums.jpg

[El Roranous]

Did someone say crack?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Tyrone_Biggums.jpg
Yes
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/thee_iron_spider/buttcrack.jpg

[Bannister]

Yes
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/thee_iron_spider/buttcrack.jpg
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

[Seretur]

If Sideshow called this "Sammath Naur", you guys would be all totally like, um.

The video is great, but what's the use if the piece is so utterly wrong.

Oh well, at least the SW PF line is rocking hard... :maul

[El Roranous]

Yes
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/thee_iron_spider/buttcrack.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/thee_iron_spider/noooooooo.jpg

[Bannister]

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/thee_iron_spider/noooooooo.jpg
:rock:rock:rock:rock

[carbo-fation]

I like it so far! This is definetely the best Frodo likeness I've yet seen. I was hoping to see more of the environment in the video though!:monkey1

[Bannister]

I like it so far! This is definetely the best Frodo likeness I've yet seen. I was hoping to see more of the environment in the video though!:monkey1
Totally agree with you on the likeness.

[nash]

SANDBOX TIME!! :lol

[Bum]

There was once this plumber, and he had the Crack of Doom, lemme tell ya...

[Darth Rage]

If Sideshow called this "Sammath Naur", you guys would be all totally like, um.


Oh, you mean that place where Sauron forged the one ring? You're not the only one that read the books. :lol

:read :read :read

[Corwin]

Looks Good.

Have to see some pics and get the scale and price before saying Yea or Nay on ordering it.

[SideshowDusty]

*sigh* How old are you guys?? 8? :thwak

[Bannister]

*sigh* How old are you guys?? 8? :thwak
I turned 9 in October.:rock:rock:rock

[The Josh]

Likeness is awesome on both! I'll be getting this one for sure. Very classy looking piece. Glad to see another awesome line of LOTR coming to collect.

[Bannister]

*sigh* How old are you guys?? 8? :thwak
Seriously though, like this thread is any less mature than some of the Star Wars 12" figure threads *****ing about about monkey arms and other nonsense.:lol

[Bannister]

Likeness is awesome on both! I'll be getting this one for sure. Very classy looking piece. Glad to see another awesome line of LOTR coming to collect.
I agree with you 50%.:D

[carbo-fation]

I agree with you 50%.:D
:lol :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[tomandshell]

This to me is a very sad moment to depict--possibly the lowest point of the trilogy and the time in the plot where evil is most triumphant. Our hero has finally given in to the lure of the ring, and the seduction and temptation it represents have finally prevailed over the "fool's hope" that a little hobbit could summon the will to destroy it. Rather than a climactic struggle between good and evil, we have here a struggle between two sadly fallen creatures who are both overcome by the power of the ring and are lashing out violently in an attempt to possess it. It is a kind of celebration of everything that Sauron stood for.

Ironically, in the end good was unable to triumph over evil--evil ultimately destroyed itself by sheer accident. This moment represents everything tragic about the Lord of the Rings saga. Gandalf prophetically stated in film one that, "There is only one Lord of the Rings, and he does not share power." That selfish greed and debilitating lust for power are what this moment represents for me--the point where Frodo says, like Gollum before him, "The ring is mine!" and in so doing, becomes the very evil he set out to destroy. It was a shocking and painful statement to read in the book, and although altered somewhat by PJ, the film still portrays the failure of Frodo as he succumbs to corruption. Having an angry and violent Frodo abandoning his sense of pity and hope of redemption and striking out against Gollum to reclaim the ring sums up all of this high drama quite nicely.

The question remains--is that how I want Frodo immortalized in my collection?

[SolidLiquidFox]

I like it. I'm buying it! :cool:

Gollum looks very good and Frodo is not bad.

[Bannister]

This to me is a very sad moment to depict--possibly the lowest point of the trilogy and the time in the plot where evil is most triumphant. Our hero has finally given in to the lure of the ring, and the seduction and temptation it represents have finally prevailed over the "fool's hope" that a little hobbit could summon the wil to destroy it. Rather than a climactic struggle between good and evil, we have a struggle between two sadly fallen creatures who are both overcome by the power of the ring and are lashing out violently in an attempt to possess it. It is a kind of celebration of everything that Sauron stood for.

Ironically, in the end good was unable to triumph over evil--evil ultimately destroyed itself by sheer accident. This moment represents everything tragic about the Lord of the Rings saga. Gandalf prophetically stated in film one that, "There is only one Lord of the Rings. And he does not share power." That selfish greed and debilitating lust for power are what this moment represents for me--the point where Frodo says, like Gollum before him, "The ring is mine!" It was a shocking and painful statement to read in the book, and although altered somewhat by PJ, the film still portrays the failure of Frodo as he succumbs to corruption. Having an angry and violent Frodo abandoning his sense of pity and hope of redemption and striking out against Gollum to reclaim the ring sums up all of this high drama quite nicely.

The question remains--is that how I want Frodo immortalized in my collection?
Since we are apparently all 8 year olds in this thread I have no idea what you mean.:D

[Wetanut]

very nice synopsis of the scene Tom. And yes, I want that exactly.

[DarkArtist81]

*sigh* How old are you guys?? 8? :thwak

:lol :rotfl :lol :rotfl

[Deadly Dagger]

*waits for a different diorama* classy vid but pass...:monkey1

[The Josh]

very nice synopsis of the scene Tom. And yes, I want that exactly.

Very nice job on the synopsis. That's why I want this piece it captures the moment when everything was in the balance of that struggle.

[RoboDad]

With all due respect to Sideshow and Peter Jackson, there is absolutely no way I will ever have this travesty of a piece in my collection. As I have said before, if it doesn't capture the book as well as the movie, for me it's an...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b88/robodad/easy_pass.gif

[FlyAndFight]

I couldn't see enough of the piece to make an honest evaluation. But what I did see certainly has my attention.

Looking forward to Toy Fair and more complete pics.

[Trevolver]

This was really cool to see! I think the video is nothing short of amazing! what a swwwwweeeeeeet way to preview a piece. kudos!

This was a fun piece to sculpt. very challenging. I really like what Tom said about it a couple messages back.

When you're sculpting something you're often asking yourself what's going on in a character's head, and in this case, what's the purpose behind the struggle. It's definitely not a celebration of human triumph, but I really got into the idea of weakness.

And yes, the title of that portion of the dvd is Crack of Doom, I remember! :D
Trev

[Mookeylama]

i think it looks incredible!! u sculpted this Trev?! sweet! u really got Wood down. really wish the PF looks that close.

[RoboDad]

This to me is a very sad moment to depict--possibly the lowest point of the trilogy and the time in the plot where evil is most triumphant. Our hero has finally given in to the lure of the ring, and the seduction and temptation it represents have finally prevailed over the "fool's hope" that a little hobbit could summon the will to destroy it. Rather than a climactic struggle between good and evil, we have here a struggle between two sadly fallen creatures who are both overcome by the power of the ring and are lashing out violently in an attempt to possess it. It is a kind of celebration of everything that Sauron stood for.

Ironically, in the end good was unable to triumph over evil--evil ultimately destroyed itself by sheer accident. This moment represents everything tragic about the Lord of the Rings saga. Gandalf prophetically stated in film one that, "There is only one Lord of the Rings, and he does not share power." That selfish greed and debilitating lust for power are what this moment represents for me--the point where Frodo says, like Gollum before him, "The ring is mine!" and in so doing, becomes the very evil he set out to destroy. It was a shocking and painful statement to read in the book, and although altered somewhat by PJ, the film still portrays the failure of Frodo as he succumbs to corruption. Having an angry and violent Frodo abandoning his sense of pity and hope of redemption and striking out against Gollum to reclaim the ring sums up all of this high drama quite nicely.

The question remains--is that how I want Frodo immortalized in my collection?
While that may be how the scene is portrayed in the movie, that isn't what was intended in the book, at all. I hope Seretur doesn't mind me quoting his eloquent and profound post from S&F:

As for this LOTR line, I don't actually want anything that's not from the movies -- as I highly respect the design work that went on at Weta, which would be lacking from other scenes. But I'd love to see more movie designs and situations that follow the book (amazingly, some did).

Or at least some that didn't represent full-blown character assassionations. Tolkien wrote the scene in Sammath Naur as a treatise on the meaning of The Lord's Prayer -- specifically, "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them who trespass against us; And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil".

If you think about it -- and Tolkien thought about it for a decade -- that's what the entire story of Frodo's relationship with Gollum and the Ring is. (You don't even have to be Christian to see it, of course.) It's as profound a moment in literature as they come.

PJ, of course, didn't understand diddly squat of it all, and cared even less. And now Sideshow is immortalising his folly in poly.
That sums up exactly what is wrong with this piece for me, and why I will never own it, even were it to be given to me.

[The Josh]

Nice job Trev!

I love both book and movies. I'm not gonna personally say no to something just because it doesn't capture both. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten Lurtz who is a cool looking character and a well made piece. I'm a fan of LOTR :)

[gabberjawa]

Kudos Trevolver! I like what I see!

[The Josh]

Good God. PJ didn't understand that? :rolleyes: How does anyone really know? I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that honestly. What was done was to help bring even the casual movie goer into that scene if they where too slow to understand. I didn't get all riled up on this change and find it worth getting my panties all in a wad. As far as PJ forgetting about the story telling. PLEASE that's a freaking joke at best. If someone can do better go do it yourself!

[Fritz]

I'm still not sure I want another Frodo or Gollum. Weta Frodo and PF Frodo will do and the Weta Gollum & Smeagol is a good enough representation. But I'll still probably order and decide when it's in hand. The main issue for me will most likely be size, I'm really entrenched with Premium Format. I love 1/4 scale. :rock

Trev or Dusty, can either of you guys give us a hint as to what the scale is? 1/6 maybe?

[Seretur]

This was really cool to see! I think the video is nothing short of amazing! what a swwwwweeeeeeet way to preview a piece. kudos!

This was a fun piece to sculpt. very challenging. I really like what Tom said about it a couple messages back.

When you're sculpting something you're often asking yourself what's going on in a character's head, and in this case, what's the purpose behind the struggle. It's definitely not a celebration of human triumph, but I really got into the idea of weakness.

And yes, the title of that portion of the dvd is Crack of Doom, I remember! :D
Trev

Your sculpting seems impeccable -- it's probably the first truly successful Elijah Wood likeness Sideshow has ever produced.

But it's a terrible travesty of the very reason Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings, and for that, I will never own it.

[RoboDad]

Nice job Trev!

I love both book and movies. I'm not gonna personally say no to something just because it doesn't capture both. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten Lurtz who is a cool looking character and a well made piece. I'm a fan of LOTR :)
Sorry Josh, but I am in absolute disagreement with you on this one. There is a huge difference, at least for me, between a character who is added to the story to fill a gap (usually created by the necessary compression of a story from book to film), and a deliberate change to an essential scene for no other reason than ignorance of the author's intended meaning. I love both the books and movies as well as anyone, but when there is a choice to be made between them, the books win by a country mile every time.

Sideshow blew it badly on this one. They could have produced a piece that every fan would love. Instead, they chose a piece that will polarize the fans, and will surely result in lower sales.

[RoboDad]

Good God. PJ didn't understand that? :rolleyes: How does anyone really know? I think it's a bit of a stretch to assume that honestly. What was done was to help bring even the casual movie goer into that scene if they where too slow to understand. I didn't get all riled up on this change and find it worth getting my panties all in a wad. As far as PJ forgetting about the story telling. PLEASE that's a freaking joke at best. If someone can do better go do it yourself!
How does anyone know? Because I heard him say it with my own ears. He was asked specifically about the Christian allegory in the books, and he said that I didn't see it, and didn't care to.

And in this case, NOTHING would be far better than what we have gotten, so I guess I have done better.

[The Josh]

There is a huge difference, at least for me, between a character who is added to the story to fill a gap (usually created by the necessary compression of a story from book to film), and a deliberate change to an essential scene for no other reason than ignorance of the author's intended meaning. Sorry Josh, but I am in absolute disagreement with you on this one.

Ignorance? Ok, so you have all the insight then as do some others it appears to know more? :lol The change was made to help with the casual movie goer. I dealt with it and moved on. It did not effect my thought of PJ nor the movies.

Sideshow blew it, plain and simple. They could have produce a piece a\that every fan would love. Instead, they chose a piece that will polarize the fans, and will surely result in lower sales.

Blew it? :lol What did they blow? Are they supposed to base this piece off the book? Is that license available to make pieces off of? I doubt it so they have to make it off the movie. It's a piece that fits this type of make this line honestly. It's not my #1 choice but I don't think blowing it comes close to being accurate. Some will like it. Some won't. Welcome to collecting.

[The Josh]

How does anyone know? Because I heard him say it with my own ears. He was asked specifically about the Christian allegory in the books, and he said that I didn't see it, and didn't care to.

OK, so he didn't see it. BFD! It all depends on how religious you are. I guess I don't look down on him because of that. My faith teaches me not to.

And in this case, NOTHING would be far better than what we have gotten, so I guess I have done better.

Ok if that makes you feel better. :lol :rolleyes:

[DannieDarKo]

THE CRACK OF DOOM!

http://www.make-my-own-house.com/images/crack.jpg


Wonder when the dealers will have this up for order! :google

[RoboDad]

Ignorance? Ok, so you have all the insight then as do some others it appears to know more? :lol The change was made to help with the casual movie goer. I dealt with it and moved on. It did not effect my thought of PJ nor the movies.
That's your choice. It did affect my experience. I cringe every time that scene plays out. Sorry you can't accept that. Maybe you should just "move on."

Blew it? :lol What did they blow? Are they supposed to base this piece off the book? Is that license available to make pieces off of? I doubt it so they have to make it off the movie. It's a piece that fits this type of make this line honestly. It's not my #1 choice but I don't think blowing it comes close to being accurate. Some will like it. Some won't. Welcome to collecting.
Since you apparently didn't read what I posted before responding, I'll say it again. They blew it because they chose a piece that will result in fewer pieces sold. I won't be buying one. I know of several others who won't be buying one. Many who give the books a higher place in their minds and hearts will be less likely to buy one. They could have chosen a piece that would have delighted a far greater percentage of fans. Why those chose not to is beyond me.

[Darklord Dave]

Excellent job Trev! It truly does look great and considering how small it is the likenesses are amazing.


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As to the "meaning" of the scene - kudos to PJ for making it accessible to a modern audience. If what Seretur said was really the author's intention (and we get in trouble assuming that) then it would ruin the scene for me.

[Seretur]

Thanks for posting that, Robo! I'm honored. (Even if I did write "assassionations". :o )

And Josh -- there's absolutely nothing wrong with loving this part of the movie. But it just happens to be a moment that, for Tolkien, represented the very reason for writing the book. Not just a moment, the moment. It was present in his conception even before such things as Rohan or Gondor were even thought of, much less invented. And he wrote about it extensively in his (published) letters.

PJ and Fran and Philippa had to be aware of it -- they had the enormous luck of being able to translate Tolkien's story to the screen with sufficient (and unprecedented) resources, and they had consultants and experts galore, even if they physically didn't have time to read all of what Tolkien wrote.

Even then, they have the spur-of-the-moment excuse. But for Sideshow to pick this moment, out of so many other, more iconic, and frankly more diorama-like ones from the movies, more than three years after the premiere of ROTK -- I just don't know how they can justify that. Sorry.

[RoboDad]

OK, so he didn't see it. BFD! It all depends on how religious you are. I guess I don't look down on him because of that. My faith teaches me not to.
So, are you just in spin mode, or what? You asked a question, I answered it. That's no reason for you to start looking down on me, criticizing my faith, or pretending to be more righteous.

[carbo-fation]

Great work Trev! This is the best Elija likeness yet!!:)

[The Godfather]

Excellent job Trev! It truly does look great and considering how small it is the likenesses are amazing.


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As to the "meaning" of the scene - kudos to PJ for making it accessible to a modern audience. If what Seretur said was really the author's intention (and we get in trouble assuming that) then it would ruin the scene for me.


Ohhhhh the Dark lord knows what what size it is. Holding out on us David details my good man details

[The Josh]

That's your choice. It did affect my experience. I cringe every time that scene plays out. Sorry you can't accept that. Maybe you should just "move on."

I didn't say I can't accept that. I just don't agree with you and and voicing it. Sorry.


Since you apparently didn't read what I posted before responding, I'll say it again. They blew it because they chose a piece that will result in fewer pieces sold. I won't be buying one. I know of several others who won't be buying one. Many who give the books a higher place in their minds and hearts will be less likely to buy one. They could have chosen a piece that would have delighted a far greater percentage of fans. Why those chose not to is beyond me.

Probably a few pieces but there are a lot of movies fans that collect so it won't cause too many non-sales. Both hold the same high place for me in my heart. I'm about LOTR plain and simple.

Rumi said it pretty well IMO

Yes, it does show the change from the book, but it also depicts a pivotal moment in the film that strikes a very visceral note for me. But, then, I've NEVER viewed the movies as anything but an interpretation of the book....to me, they're separate entities.

[DannieDarKo]

I personally love this pose. It reminds me of when my 8 brothers and sisters and I would fight over the last slice of bread. Yep, yesterday was a day to remember....:monkey1

[twistedfreak]

The sculpting is awesome. This will be a cool line for you LOTR fanatics. :rock

[The Josh]

So, are you just in spin mode, or what? You asked a question, I answered it. That's no reason for you to start looking down on me, criticizing my faith, or pretending to be more righteous.

Nope no spin. Your post IMO was judging his faith by just assuming that because he didn't care he didn't get it. I'm not looking down on you just making a point.

And Josh -- there's absolutely nothing wrong with loving this part of the movie. But it just happens to be a moment that, for Tolkien, represented the very reason for writing the book. Not just a moment, the moment. It was present in his conception even before such things as Rohan or Gondor were even thought of, much less invented. And he wrote about it extensively in his (published) letters.

I didn't say I loved it. I just said I dealt with it. It's pivatol as Rumi said.

PJ and Fran and Philippa had to be aware of it -- they had the enormous luck of being able to translate Tolkien's story to the screen with sufficient (and unprecedented) resources, and they had consultants and experts galore, even if they physically didn't have time to read all of what Tolkien wrote.

They choose to change it. I'm not saying its the best idea nor that I agree with it though it played out well on screen. I'm saying that he choose to not play up the religous aspect I guess and go with something that wouldn't make the slower movie goers go "huh".

Even then, they have the spur-of-the-moment excuse. But for Sideshow to pick this moment, out of so many other, more iconic, and frankly more diorama-like ones from the movies, more than three years after the premiere of ROTK -- I just don't know how they can justify that. Sorry.

It's the start of the line to the MOVIES. Some of these pieces will not be ones that are tied into the book directly. I don't get why everyone is getting all pissy over that honestly. As we all know not every part of the movie was faithful to the book. So therefor not every piece will be. So are they to never make a piece that isn't faithful to both? Then it will be a very small and short line overall. Don't ya think?

[Seretur]

As to the "meaning" of the scene - kudos to PJ for making it accessible to a modern audience. If what Seretur said was really the author's intention (and we get in trouble assuming that) then it would ruin the scene for me.

Sorry, I didn't see your post -- we must've been typing at the same time -- otherwise I'd have addressed it. In fact, I did, if indirectly: there is a hefty volume of Tolkien's letters in which he expounds on the meaning of the scene in the Cracks of Doom in very great detail. Nothing of what I wrote were my personal conjectures, but rather hasty and compressed digests of what Tolkien himself said so much better. Add to that the background information from the History of Middle-earth making-of volumes, and there's all the evidence of the author's intent one can ever need.

But anyway. In a way, I'm happy for everyone that's perfectly happy with this piece. I was stoked for it, and ready to dive head-first into this entire line, but now... this has been a cold shower.

[Bannister]

I personally love this pose. It reminds me of when my 8 brothers and sisters and I would fight over the last slice of bread. Yep, yesterday was a day to remember....:monkey1
Slice of bread? Don't you mean tortilla.:monkey5

[DannieDarKo]

Honestly guys, what would Gandalf the White say if he saw you all fighting like this?!?! HUH!?!?! Gandalf the Grey would just smack each of you with his staff but not the White!

He'd be ashamed of each and every one of you!!! :rolleyes:

http://www.ianmckellen.us/images/1032.jpg

[Bannister]

Honestly guys, what would Gandalf the White say if he saw you all fighting like this?!?! HUH!?!?! Gandalf the Grey would just smack each of you with his staff but not the White!

He'd be ashamed of each and every one of you!!! :rolleyes:

http://www.ianmckellen.us/images/1032.jpg
:rock:rock:rock

[Seretur]

I personally love this pose. It reminds me of when my 8 brothers and sisters and I would fight over the last slice of bread. Yep, yesterday was a day to remember....:monkey1

I can't wait for you and your siblings to start fighting over your Marvel Grails. :D

[RoboDad]

Nope no spin. Your post IMO was judging his faith by just assuming that because he didn't care he didn't get it. I'm not looking down on you just making a point.
Then your point was misplaced, and your opinion is incorrect. I am angry with Jackson for the disrespect he chose to show Professor Tolkien. I do not judge his (lack of) faith, however saddened by it I may be. But I can, and do judge how he misinterprets the beautiful expression of another man's faith, whether by design or ignorance, the result is the same.

[GravityEyelids]

That is the best Elijah likeness yet. I haven't made a LOTR purchase in two years, but that may change when this comes out. It just depends on the price now.

[DannieDarKo]

I can't wait for you and your siblings to start fighting over your Marvel Grails. :D

:mwaha :rock

[The Josh]

Honestly guys, what would Gandalf the White say if he saw you all fighting like this?!?! HUH!?!?! Gandalf the Grey would just smack each of you with his staff but not the White!

He'd be ashamed of each and every one of you!!! :rolleyes:

http://www.ianmckellen.us/images/1032.jpg

Damn skippy

[The Josh]

Then your point was misplaced, and your opinion is incorrect. I am angry with Jackson for the disrespect he chose to show Professor Tolkien. I do not judge his (lack of) faith, however saddened by it I may be. But I can, and do judge how he misinterprets the beautiful expression of another man's faith, whether by design or ignorance, the result is the same.

I don't think it was but sorry that you missed it. As far as my opinion being incorrect. Well by saying your saddened by it is judging him. He changed it for the mass media as Dave said above it would ruin the scene for him. I could see where it would do that for a lot of people if told the truth behind the scene.

[Mookeylama]

would someone explain all these differences in the scene that everyone's arguing about?

[Trevolver]

Glad you guys like the Elijah Wood likeness!

I just hope Jared Leto doesn't come into the statue and start choking Frodo. ;) hell, Gollum might need to watch out too.

interesting debate going on, guys.
Trev

[Andy Bergholtz]

BEST.FRODO.EVER.

Trevor, you are a God among sculptresses. A GOD. (and I'm a very religious guy, so it takes a lot for me to blaspheme! ;)).

Just wait till you guys see this thing in all it's glory.... Freakin' beautiful. And don't take for granted the teeny scale of these figures.... That is VERY, VERY, VERY difficult stuff to pull off. Just imagine what Trev could do with a 1/6 or 1/4 version. :monkey3

Gollum looks like a photo from the movie.... SICK!!!! You inspire me and depress me to no end. Sick, sick, sick. Now put my name in your book for one of your samples. :D

[Bannister]

BEST.FRODO.EVER.

Trevor, you are a God among sculptresses. A GOD. (and I'm a very religious guy, so it takes a lot for me to blaspheme! ;)).

Just wait till you guys see this thing in all it's glory.... Freakin' beautiful. And don't take for granted the teeny scale of these figures.... That is VERY, VERY, very difficult stuff to pull off. Just imagine what Trev could do with a 1/6 or 1/4 version. :monkey3

Gollum looks like a photo from the movie.... SICK!!!! You inspire me and depress me to no end. Sick, sick, sick. Now put my name in your book for one of you samples. :D
So I take it that this piece is in 1/9th then. I hoped it would be bigger since it just features Hobbits. The likeness is even more impressive knowing how small it is though.

[LOTRFan]

Well I certainly can remember how I felt my first viewing of ROTK and of course compairing that with the books (that I had freshly read again), I have always been able to keep the two separate. I understand that certain literary moments are not thought well to translate to film. I have my gripes, I don't by any means accept joyfully the changes that were made. This however seems like a wonderful piece for those who were impacted by the films. I suspect that the great many collectors, and honestly SS's main audience are film fans first. Of course a percentage have read the books, and even loved them. I would wager though that a good many prefer the films, or even dare I say skimmed the books -- or even yet saw Elijah Wood everytime Frodo was/is mentioned.

The sculpting is amazing, Trevolver you have outdone yourself, I can't wait to see the whole thing.

To those who are the purists, I am somewhat perplexed that you are so upset by this piece and not the many that have come before, that may be said to have equal inaccuracies. I suppose because these are moments, with two characters, you have a harder time?

Do we not get the Arwen bust, because after all she never wore that nor had that moment in the books. Do we pass on the Galadhrim Archer, because well there wasn't a Second-To-Last Alliance? I guess some collectors become more discriminating at moments, where others have been able to go on a while back.


Of course I mean no disrespect, and am glad to see more LOTR being produced.

:clap

[The Josh]

Well I certainly can remember how I felt my first viewing of ROTK and of course compairing that with the books (that I had freshly read again), I have always been able to keep the two separate. I understand that certain literary moments are not thought well to translate to film. I have my gripes, I don't by any means accept joyfully the changes that were made. This however seems like a wonderful piece for those who were impacted by the films. I suspect that the great many collectors, and honestly SS's main audience are film fans first. Of course a percentage have read the books, and even loved them. I would wager though that a good many prefer the films, or even dare I say skimmed the books -- or even yet saw Elijah Wood everytime Frodo was/is mentioned.

The sculpting is amazing, Trevolver you have outdone yourself, I can't wait to see the whole thing.

To those who are the purists, I am somewhat perplexed that you are so upset by this piece and not the many that have come before, that may be said to have equal inaccuracies. I suppose because these are moments, with two characters, you have a harder time?

Do we not get the Arwen bust, because after all she never wore that nor had that moment in the books. Do we pass on the Galadhrim Archer, because well there wasn't a Second-To-Last Alliance? I guess some collectors become more discriminating at moments, where others have been able to go on a while back.


Of course I mean no disrespect, and am glad to see more LOTR being produced.

:clap

Outstanding Matt! Exceptionally well put my friend. You're a smarter man than I.

[Bannister]

I just don't think Gollum's book death would have played out too well on screen. I mean he gets the ring back and basically gets excited and falls off the ledge. I can guarantee you most audiences would have been laughing when they shouldn't have, had this happened in the movie.

[tomandshell]

While that may be how the scene is portrayed in the movie, that isn't what was intended in the book, at all.

That's actually interesting to me, because I was not describing the film, but rather the book. What is your interpretation of Tolkien's meaning of Frodo's actions at the Crack of Doom? Do you see him as heroic/acting for good, or overpowered by evil? I would be interested in hearing your interpretation of the scene in the book and how or what it reflects about Tolkien's beliefs. I am being earnest and sincere, not sarcastic. I would like to see some more healthy discussion in this thread.

From the book:

"The light sprang up again, and there on the brink of the chasm, at the very Crack of Doom, stood Frodo, black against the glare, tense, erect, but still as if he had been turned to stone.

'Master!' cried Sam.

Then Frodo stirred and spoke with a clear voice, indeed with a voice clearer and more powerful than Sam had even heard him use, and it rose above the throb and turmoil of Mount Doom, ringing in the roof and walls.

'I have come,' he said. 'But I do not choose now to do what I came to do. I will not do this deed. The Ring is mine!' And suddenly, as he set it on his finger, he vanished from Sam's sight."

[King Darkness]

Slice of bread? Don't you mean tortilla.:monkey5


:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha:mwaha

Now thats funny!!!!!

[Lembas Eater]

I know what Robodad and Seretur are saying and I respect them but long ago I myself have had to reconcile the fact that the movies just are not going to be the book. Do I wish that they had filmed that scene exactly as it is in the book? Hell yeah!

But we have to remember the pressures of a major studio release and the weight of such an adaptation. Remember these films could have been made by people that didn't care enough to even get characters names right or the cultures, etc. Remember that New LIne wanted them to kill one of the "spare" hobbits. We could have had that. We would have had to throw rotten fruit at the screen.

So back to this scene, from the movie. Thats how I have to look at it, not "that scene they screwed up from the book" but "the scene from the movie". Again, I can understand if someone doesn't want that, but till someone makes a statue of Gollum dancing at the edge and with Sam and the bitten Frodo off to the side, I'll take this one! And if you do not, I understand and respect your opinions anyway.


Of course, by the time this posted, LOTRFan has said alot of the same things.

Tom also brings up a great point that yes, though Frodo does not continue to fight after Gollum bites the ring from his hand, that does not change the fact (in the book or the movie) that FRODO FAILS. That he does truly give in to the ring. I think the Diorama still shows that.

And lastly, Thank You Trevor for a fantastic sculpt!!)

[Trevolver]

Hey THANKS a lot Andy-you know your words mean a lot to me!!! truly!

Trev

[Mookeylama]

again i'll ask what this debate over the scene is about. it's been many years since i read the books. i know of certain differences like the wrong finger (wrong hand too) getting bitten off Frodo. that in the book Gollum basically just stumbles and looses his balance rather than falling while struggling. there was a road leading up Doom i the movie (i think lol). i don't know of any Christian good/evil thing that some are talking about. please explain.

[Seretur]

I wouldn't even remotely describe myself as a purist. Even Tolkien wouldn't -- he's on record as suggesting various changes to the storyline, to help streamline it and make it read better on film. (He particularly advocated taking out the entire Helm's Deep subplot as extraneous to the main story; and we saw how deeply PJ took THAT to heart.) "Purism" is a geekdom phenomenon; I'm professionally involved in translating Tolkien's work, so I suppose my inclination is, for the lack of a better word, scholarly.

What I feel is sadly missing is the comprehension of the intent behind the work; when you know what you want to say, it's usually easy to say it fast and to the point. And that's something that seems to be more and more lacking in the movies as they progress. For every awesome shot of the Pelennor Fields, we get Gandalf saying things like (I'm paraphrasing) "we shouldn't go fight Sauron at the Black Gates, it is folly". (Gandalf! I ask you! Sent by the Valar for the succour of the free peoples of Middle-earth! Sauron's Adversary himself!) But I do like the way Gandalf the White looks, or the way the Elven Archer looks (even if those fought for Lothlórien, not Helm's Deep, in the book), or indeed Arwen, especially as portrayed by Mrs. Tyler. Strangely, the less studio pressure there was (after FOTR, the movies were basically in the black), the more unnecessary changes kept being introduced. There's only one word for it: hubris.

The lack of narrative point extends all the way to the Sammath Naur scene. Yes, the whole point of it is that Frodo kept Gollum alive against his (and Sam's) better judgement, and now Gollum seems to have foiled his entire Quest. But Frodo's pity, in the end, delivers him from evil. Should it have been exactly as in the book? Perhaps not -- it might have seemed cheesy to have Gollum just slip to his doom, and thus achieve the happy resolution of the whole story. But should it have become just another in a series of action moments, of tests of physical strength? There must have been a wiser way to do it, starting with Frodo having pity for his Sam, and not sending him "home" at the Stairs, for the love of Eru. The movie Frodo is probably the most misrepresented character of them all, and that's not helped by Mr. Wood's youth and lack of subtlety.

Again, this is not the worst departure from the text, but is the one made in the most sensitive part of the entire story. The filmmakers have to answer for the choices they made; I'm just sad for the collectible choice that was made, in this case. This piece could've been a sculpture that encapsulated the entire complex web of emotion and motivation that underlies the scene; but the choice of the exact moment to depict has seriously undermined those aspects of it, for all the brilliant work Trevor has so clearly put into it.

Would it have been so bad to just have Frodo holding the Ring there, debating whether to put it on, as Gollum lurks behind? Or to have Gollum standing triumphant behind the maimed Frodo, holding the Ring up? Both movie and book moments, more iconic, and perfectly relevant.

And that's it from me for tonight, I have to go take care of the baby...

[Shai Hulud]

Man those LOTR Fans are getting geekier and geekier by the day...Remind me of the SW ones :lol ..... I think the statue looks awesome !!!! its actually one of my favorite part of the movie..when both evil fights against each other at hell's gate !!! I dont care that its not in the book...who reads books anyway?!?! :lol :lol...yeah, I've never read the LOTR books, and I dont care..I've seen the movies and I like this scene....ohhhhh i'm a blasphemer !!! This is probably one of the first lotr collectible I may buy....Nobody mentions that it looks much better than any of those crappy weta likeness.....Sideshow didnt need Weta at all....ohhh yeah..I said it....

All hail Trevolver,sculptor extraordinaire !!!!



And concerning the crack of Doom.....



Finally a place where the Finger of Doom can enjoy itself !!!!

[tomandshell]

again i'll ask what this debate over the scene is about.

Book version:

1. Frodo abandons the quest and claims the ring as his own, slipping it on his finger.
2. Gollum attacks invisible Frodo, and a struggle ensues. (Gollum is seen by Sam "on the edge of the abyss...fighting like a mad thing with an unseen foe.")
3. In the midst of the fight, Gollum bites the ring from Frodo's finger.
4. After taking the Ring from Frodo by force, Gollum immediately falls over the edge with no time for interference from Frodo.
5. The Ring is destroyed.

"Suddenly Sam saw Gollum's long hands draw upwards to his mouth; his white fangs gleamed, and then snapped as they bit. Frodo gave a cry, and there he was, fallen upon his knees at the chasm's edge. But Gollum, dancing like a mad thing, held aloft the ring, a finger still thrust within its circle. It shone now as if verily it was wrought of living fire.

'Precious, precious, precious!' Gollum cried. 'My Precious! O my Precious!' And with that, even as his eyes were lifted up to gloat on his prize, he stepped too far, toppled, wavered for a moment on the brink, and then with a shriek he fell. Out of the depths came his last wail Precious, and he was gone."

Film version:

1. Frodo abandons the quest and claims the ring as his own, slipping it on his finger.
2. Gollum attacks invisible Frodo, and a struggle ensues.
3a. In the midst of the fight, Gollum bites the ring from Frodo's finger.
3b. Now visible, Frodo engages Gollum in a struggle for control of the ring.
4. As a result of Frodo's counterattack, Gollum eventually falls over the edge along with Frodo.
4b. Gollum drops to his death as a result of Frodo's attack and Sam rescues Frodo.
5. The Ring is destroyed.

[WetaWork]

Man those LOTR Fans are getting geekier and geekier by the day...Remind me of the SW ones :lol ..... I think the statue looks awesome !!!! its actually one of my favorite part of the movie..when both evil fights against each other at hell's gate !!! I dont care that its not in the book...who reads books anyway?!?! :lol :lol...yeah, I've never read the LOTR books, and I dont care..I've seen the movies and I like this scene....ohhhhh i'm a blasphemer !!! This is probably one of the first lotr collectible I may buy....Nobody mentions that it looks much better than any of those crappy weta likeness.....Sideshow didnt need Weta at all....ohhh yeah..I said it....

All hail Trevolver,sculptor extraordinaire !!!!



And concerning the crack of Doom.....



Finally a place where the Finger of Doom can enjoy itself !!!!

:rotfl

Isn't it time for you to drink the water of life?

[Khev]

I'm awestruck! Trevor that is the BEST Frodo sculpt I've ever seen! I love it, and the wife does too. :) My favorite movie of all time, and one of the most pivotal scenes of the film captured masterfully. I don't know if I'll be able to pass this up.

Trevor (or Dusty or Andy), can any of you say if these dioramas will have exclusive versions like the Marvel dios?

[Khev]

Having an angry and violent Frodo abandoning his sense of pity and hope of redemption and striking out against Gollum to reclaim the ring sums up all of this high drama quite nicely.

The question remains--is that how I want Frodo immortalized in my collection?
Don't you own the exclusive Dagobah Luke? Because that Vader head probably represents his pinnacle failure. Like Luke in the PF line I'm sure there will be more than one Frodo in the diorama series. I don't think that owning this piece would take away from the heroism depicted in what we'll probably see down the road.

[tomandshell]

Actually, I don't have room for the Vader helmet where I have my Luke & Yoda on display!! :rotfl But it is a great piece of work, just like this diorama.

But in comparing the sagas, this would be more like the confrontation in Return of the Jedi, where the Emperor tempts luke to strike him down, so that his journey towards the Dark Side would be complete. Then Luke says, "OK, fine!!" and reaches out with the force and draws his lightsaber to himself and ignites it, giving himself fully to the Dark Side of the Force and advancing on the Emperor to kill him. In the ensuing attack, Luke grapples with the Emperor and we are shocked to see them both go over the edge of the catwalk. The Emperor falls to his death while Vader goes to Luke, who is barely hanging on and ashamed at his inability to control himself in the face of temptation. His utter failure at the critical moment has taken from him the very will to live. However, looking up into the face of his father, he grabs hold and is lifted to safety.

Of course, that's not how it happened. Luke ultimately learned from his failure in the cave, and when I see that helmet, I also think of how Luke passed the test when faced with the same confrontation in "reality," and tossed his saber aside, refusing to kill his father.

The Luke/Vader and Frodo/Gollum relationships both show a younger character contrasted with an older character who faced the same temptation and made the wrong choice. Luke sees himself in Vader just as Frodo sees himself in Gollum. Both Luke and Frodo speak openly of their hope that they might play a part in the redemption of the other. Both pairs end up in a confrontation in the final film. But where Luke ultimately turns off his saber and refuses to fight, Frodo keeps on fighting and pushes Gollum over the edge to his death. No redemption for Gollum!! So if we want to push the religious tones of these stories, non-Christian Lucas ultimately tells a story with more redemptive possibilities than Christian Tolkien, where the corrupt half of the pairing is not saved in the end, but dropped to his fiery death.

[Deadly Dagger]

oMg..I feel like I'm back at school...I'm outta here...:monkey1

[Bannister]

oMg..I feel like I'm back at school...I'm outta here...:monkey1
:lol :lol :lol

[tomandshell]

oMg..I feel like I'm back at school...I'm outta here...:monkey1

OK, OK, I get it...

http://www.davealpert.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/buttcrack.jpg

[Bannister]

OK, OK, I get it...

http://www.c71123.com/nothingnew/projog/img/570px/2005_11_23-no_marijuana.jpg
What are you like 8 Tom? How immature.:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[tomandshell]

What are you like 8 Tom? How immature.:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl


OMG!! pwn3d!!!!!

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

[Bannister]

OMG!! pwn3d!!!!!

:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
:lol :lol :lol

[Khev]

non-Christian Lucas ultimately tells a story with more redemptive possibilities than Christian Tolkien, where the corrupt half of the pairing is not saved in the end, but dropped to his fiery death.
Well "fiery death" for those not redeemed isn't exactly an un-Christian story element. ;) But I don't see Frodo pushing Gollum over in the film version. I see them both fighting for the ring, grasping at it, and going over the side together. Frodo just has enough sense to finally let it go and grab the edge while his adversary does not.

[Darklord Dave]

there is a hefty volume of Tolkien's letters in which he expounds on the meaning of the scene in the Cracks of Doom in very great detail. Nothing of what I wrote were my personal conjectures, but rather hasty and compressed digests of what Tolkien himself said so much better. Add to that the background information from the History of Middle-earth making-of volumes, and there's all the evidence of the author's intent one can ever need.
Not that I'm completely invested in more modern literary criticism, but taking into consideration even the stated intention of the author sometimes detracts from the work itself. Isn't it better to let each consumer, be it for a movie or a book, take what they can from it rather than have an interpretation forced down their throat?

____

And yeah, it's 1/9th scale - that's what they said it was, right?

[gtb]

And you call yourselves big LOTR film fans :ogat That's the name of the DVD chapter when they have the tussle!

There is a proper Elvish name for that place isn't it?? Orodruin or something??

[Calle_Sandell]

I think it looks great, Though I with many of you that SS choose the wrong piece to start of the line..

I will however try to be a completist of this line, I just hope Sideshow won't make those super exclusive 50 limited pieces... It will make it impossible to be a completist!!!

[KrisSolo]

WOW! Well after all the bashing of the piece - be it critical or bible :) - I'd have to say I'm pretty impressed with what little we've seen! Didn't think I'd care for these, but if the price is right I'm ordering.

Always loved this part of the book, and I actually LIKED PJ's embelishments. A truly heart-renching scene of pity and despair - right up my street! How anyone can think this isn't iconic is beyond me...

:chew :emperor :chew :emperor

[Darren Carnall]

that's a great video.... and I think the piece looks great. Gollum and Frodo both look FABULOUS

[Bullseye]

Great job Trev. I look forward to your future projects. The likeness on Frodo is the best one so far produced by Sideshow and at such a small scale is a credit to your awesome ability.

[TOE]

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[KAOSINLA]

My first impression is that for the first time in any piece to date, I can see a decent Elijah likeness. Reading through the movie vs. book argument, I think there's one for each side.

Movie side: Actually being able to see an Elijah likeness in a PJ adapted scene/diorama
Book side: A basic (essence of Elijah) Frodo depicted in PF of an actual event of the book.

So, you have both...take your pick.

For my dollar, I'll go with accuracy of a likeness that appeared on screen.

[FrodoEyes]

I must be seeing a different product, or maybe not have such a good screen image on my pc than the rest of you, but don't you think Frodo looks more like a 12 year old girl? And what is going on with his right arm? It's all.....thin, and wrinkly.....it looks like a cross between my arthritic grandmothers hand and the hand of an evil cackling wizard.
The rest of it though, I like! And I need to see more pics before I decide whether I buy or not.

[Scar]

This to me is a very sad moment to depict--possibly the lowest point of the trilogy and the time in the plot where evil is most triumphant. Our hero has finally given in to the lure of the ring, and the seduction and temptation it represents have finally prevailed over the "fool's hope" that a little hobbit could summon the will to destroy it. Rather than a climactic struggle between good and evil, we have here a struggle between two sadly fallen creatures who are both overcome by the power of the ring and are lashing out violently in an attempt to possess it. It is a kind of celebration of everything that Sauron stood for.

Ironically, in the end good was unable to triumph over evil--evil ultimately destroyed itself by sheer accident. This moment represents everything tragic about the Lord of the Rings saga. Gandalf prophetically stated in film one that, "There is only one Lord of the Rings, and he does not share power." That selfish greed and debilitating lust for power are what this moment represents for me--the point where Frodo says, like Gollum before him, "The ring is mine!" and in so doing, becomes the very evil he set out to destroy. It was a shocking and painful statement to read in the book, and although altered somewhat by PJ, the film still portrays the failure of Frodo as he succumbs to corruption. Having an angry and violent Frodo abandoning his sense of pity and hope of redemption and striking out against Gollum to reclaim the ring sums up all of this high drama quite nicely.

The question remains--is that how I want Frodo immortalized in my collection?

Excellently put! This being said, this piece is an easy decision for me, as long as the price is right and the likenesses don't change for the worse with the final sculpt (*cough* Legolas *cough*). This would be beautiful positioned adjacent to the Dark Lord. I'm not going to get involved in the argument here, but suffice it to say that I agree with both tom and dave. It's better for each individual to choose for themselves which interpretation they prefer. Personally, PJ's version had a much more dramatic feel for me. In the book Frodo did surrender to the power of the Ring, but it was a bit anticlimactic for me when Gollum snatched it and simply danced and tumbled over the edge in his blissful euphoria. Frodo spent the entire book gradually deteriorating and being consumed by the Ring, degenerating into a very Gollum-esque creature himself. It simply made more sense (again, for me personally) to see the two mortal beings who fell closest into the grasp of the Ring fighting for possession like wild dogs over marrow. The scene coupled with Howard Shore's BRILLIANT score for this moment makes it quite memorable, significant, and moving indeed. I understand that the scene represents the triumph of the power of evil in the eyes of many, though I think you could also look at it as the imminent destruction of the greatest evil in the second age of Middle-earth. To each his own. For the sake of full disclosure it's admittedly the evil that draws me the most :emperor , though the story-telling power is too significant to ignore.

As I said, the price will likely be the deciding factor, but it's a must-have in all other aspects for me. I'm still hoping for a diorama of Grond at the Gates of Minas Tirith. :drool

[oxbeard]

Why couldn't the Frodo PF have that good of a likeness. This looks great. I will definitely be buying it.

Couldn't have said it better!!

[PosterBoyKelly]

Looks awesome! Still a pass, but awesome. Wake me up when we get a Wizard battle going!:emperor

[Darren Carnall]

I must be seeing a different product, or maybe not have such a good screen image on my pc than the rest of you, but don't you think Frodo looks more like a 12 year old girl? And what is going on with his right arm? It's all.....thin, and wrinkly.....it looks like a cross between my arthritic grandmothers hand and the hand of an evil cackling wizard.
The rest of it though, I like! And I need to see more pics before I decide whether I buy or not.

it's hard enough sculpting a good likeness at 1:1 scale... or even 1/4 or 1/6 scale... but at this size? This likeness on both figures is nothing short of astounding

I think you're being too picky

[The Josh]

Not that I'm completely invested in more modern literary criticism, but taking into consideration even the stated intention of the author sometimes detracts from the work itself. Isn't it better to let each consumer, be it for a movie or a book, take what they can from it rather than have an interpretation forced down their throat?


Right. No need to force someone's beliefs down anothers throat. That's what I was trying to get across to Robo when his post IMO came across that it was judging PJ's lack of faith if that's the case. He choose to go the more round about route to get to the point instead of forcing a Christian belief down the throats of those that are not or not as strong as someone else.

[choopie]

This piece certainly shows the potential that this line will have, and I'm very excited about that. I like the sculpting and the likenesses. Just not a scene from the movie I desire to have in my collection. I'll wait for the next announcement.

[Darth Loki]

Trev, great work. By far the best Frodo likeness to date and the Gollum is just jaw dropping.

I really like this piece and will be interested to see if there is an exclusive version. I seriously doubt I can do another LOTR line and if I jump on this, one will have to go.

[JohnyBoo]

I love this diorama. Great job Trev, the likeness is awesome. I am so getting this. I have not been able to get into the 12" or the PFs (though I think they are great), but I have always loved dioramas. Thanks SS!!!!!

[NASEDO]

It sure looks like the best Frodo I have seen. I hate this preview pictures, Have to see the whole thing before I'm hooked, but Frodo and Gollum look excellent, I wonder if sam is there.

[Darth Rage]

Looks awesome! Still a pass, but awesome. Wake me up when we get a Wizard battle going!:emperor

:gandalf :orthanc :saruman

Now you're talking!

:rock :rock :rock

[Beruthiel]

no thank you is all I have to say. Where are the PFs? However, the video is great, very entertaining and well done. But, this piece is definitely not one that I want.

[bonsey]

To echo earlier views-easily the best likeness of Frodo.don't know if I will buy,will wait til I see the whole thing.As for the religious argument raging...OOOOHHHH..don't get me started on religion..whichever one it is..especially Christianity..ARRRRGGGGHHHH.

[El Roranous]

I'm with the wizards, so like PBK, wake me up when they arrive.

[El Roranous]

To echo earlier views-easily the best likeness of Frodo.don't know if I will buy,will wait til I see the whole thing.As for the religious argument raging...OOOOHHHH..don't get me started on religion..whichever one it is..especially Christianity..ARRRRGGGGHHHH.
My post count is very close to 666 :D :lol

I'm throwing a party. :emperor :chew

[tomandshell]

OOOOHHHH..don't get me started on parties..whichever one it is..especially the Libertarians..ARRRRGGGGHHHH.

[Darth Caedus]

Funny, I always thought this was the crack of doom....

http://www.davealpert.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/buttcrack.jpg

[tomandshell]

Nah, that's just Bodie's Executive Finger Holder.

[Darth Caedus]

Nah, that's just Bodie's Executive Finger Holder.

Apologizes, too many sleepness nights playing gears of war, my mind isn't working...

[customizerwannabe]

Sweet dio. Depends on the size of it and the price. As usual, the prototype looks great.

[tomandshell]

Anybody have a guess as to the size? Sounds like it is indeed smaller than 1/6. So this will be smaller than the average Sideshow diorama. How much do you think the price will be?

[Darth Caedus]

May be offbase, but I would say nothing less than $250...

[lcummins]

Not that I'm completely invested in more modern literary criticism, but taking into consideration even the stated intention of the author sometimes detracts from the work itself. Isn't it better to let each consumer, be it for a movie or a book, take what they can from it rather than have an interpretation forced down their throat?...


Dave has made the best point so far! This is a piece from the movie, not the book, period! If you dislike it because it wasn't in the book, that's fine.


As for what Tolkien intented, I like to go by what he himself stated in the foreword of the book...


"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical..."


"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence."

[bonsey]

OOOOHHHH..don't get me started on parties..whichever one it is..especially the Libertarians..ARRRRGGGGHHHH.
:rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl THATS GREAT!!!

[tomandshell]

Tolkien was a friend of C.S. Lewis and was very clear about not wanting LOTR to be the kind of allegory found in Lewis' Narnia books, since he was not fond of such an approach. The story is the story and you are to take from it what you will--there is no "secret" allegorical level of meaning attributed to the characters. Gandalf and Aslan both die and are resurrected, but where Lewis intended Aslan to be an explicit Christ figure, Tolkien did not intend the same for Gandalf. This is not to say that his views and beliefs did not find their way into LOTR--there are quite a lot of important themes and events that reflect not only his religious background, but his feelings on war, politics, and the environment. He just weaves them into the story without making explicit allegorical parallels. The Ring could symbolically represent the sinful nature, it could represent atomic weaponry, it could just be a random McGuffin to move the plot forward. Tolkien leaves the interpretation in the mind and heart of the reader. That is why I believe the book has been so well received over the years--he allows you to take out of the story something of what you brought into it. The story can mean different things to different people, like all good works of art.

Including, apparently, this new diorama!!

[The Josh]

Dave has made the best point so far! This is a piece from the movie, not the book, period! If you dislike it because it wasn't in the book, that's fine.


As for what Tolkien intented, I like to go by what he himself stated in the foreword of the book...

Correct! That's what was getting me worked up some. The complaints about the book. Well, this line is from the MOVIE if you feel wronged by it then you have only yourself to blame for expecting something of this piece to be both book and movie.

If Tolkien said it then it's good for me.

[Seretur]

Things got a bit heated last night, didn't they? Perhaps needlessly so. I hope I learned my lesson.

Anyway, congratulations to the sculptors on the amazing likenesses, and I hope all of you who like the piece get to order it easily, and affordably. It's the fourth Sideshow LOTR line I won't be collecting, but perhaps that's also for the best.

Cheers!

[The Josh]

Tolkien was a friend of C.S. Lewis and was very clear about not wanting LOTR to be the kind of allegory found in Lewis' Narnia books, since he was not fond of such an approach. The story is the story and you are to take from it what you will--there is no "secret" allegorical level of meaning attributed to the characters. Gandalf and Aslan both die and are resurrected, but where Lewis intended Aslan to be an explicit Christ figure, Tolkien did not intend the same for Gandalf. This is not to say that his views and beliefs did not find their way into LOTR--there are quite a lot of important themes and events that reflect not only his religious background, but his feelings on war, politics, and the environment. He just weaves them into the story without making explicit allegorical parallels. The Ring could symbolically represent the sinful nature, it could represent atomic weaponry, it could just be a random McGuffin to move the plot forward. Tolkien leaves the interpretation in the mind and heart of the reader. That is why I believe the book has been so well received over the years--he allows you to take out of the story something of what you brought into it. The story can mean different things to different people, like all good works of art.

I totally agree. The story is so magical in a sense that it allows you to be yourself and take from it what you will. It doesn't force any preconcieved notions on you.

[Darth Caedus]

"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical..."


"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence."

I always find that funny, because the lost continent of Numenor is clearly an allegory to the last and sunken city of Atlantis in myth. So when Tolkien says he dislikes allegory, which I do too, he clearly doesn't mention Numenor...

[crazytrain]

Without wishing to prolong this so-called "Christianity" issue we seem to have stumbled on, there is a huge difference between allegory and writing as a Christian. As has been pointed out, Tolkien didn't like allegory, hence LotR is not about representing the story of Christ, however, as was pointed out earlier the part when Gollum gets the ring etc has been widely referred to by Tolkien and he does allude to connections with his Christianity when writing that section. Just because it isn't allegorical, doesn't mean it isn't based on his Christian beliefs. As I read the posts, I didn't see anyone trying to ram any forms of belief down anyones throat, just a few over-reactions to some of the comments posted. Whilst I can understand reasons for producing more of a cliff-hanger ending (quite literally!), I personally didn't like that particular change that PJ made. The bottom line for me is that some of the changes had more of an impact on my enjoyment than others. Take Lurtz for example - there's nothing in Tolkien's story to suggest that there wasn't one particular Uruk that took a dislike to Boromir, and whether or not he was finished off by Aragorn is almost irrelevant, so I have no problem with the film makers introducing this character. I have the PF Lurtz and think its a wonderful piece. However, Tolkien had specific reasons for writing the Crack of Doom section as he did, and the change that PJ and friends made spoilt it for me. Tolkiens reasons were nothing to do with allegory, but they were to do with his Christianity; again, for me thats irrelevant - I just preferred it the way Tolkien wrote it. So, overall, yes, the bottom line is if you don't like the piece don't buy it - I certainly won't. However, Sideshow could have prevented this "problem" by producing, what I feel would have been a much better piece (not because it is true to the book, but because I think it would look better); that is when Gollum bites off Frodo's finger and holds the ring aloft in (initial) triumph. The fact that this is in the book would have helped me, but as I said before I would probably have bought it more because I think it would look better than the piece currently on offer. All of us have opinions, that each of us is allowed to express, hopefully without offending anyone else on the board... I have to say that some of the comments appear to have been expressed in a way to put down or belittle other members of the board for expressing their beliefs and I personally find that offensive no matter who it is directed at or for what reason it has been done (unless the intial comments were offensive and someone is then rebuked for expressing offensive comments).

[tomandshell]

Stop ramming your beliefs down my throat!!

(I mean, sharing your personal opinion in a calm, courteous and level headed way on a public message board.)

[Bannister]

Stop ramming your beliefs down my throat!!

(I mean, sharing your personal opinion in a calm, courteous and level headed way on a public message board.)
Yeah, seriously. There is no place for that here. We are all 8 year olds, so ACT LIKE IT. I will go first. Boobs.

[tomandshell]

Yeah, seriously. There is no place for that here. We are all 8 year olds, so ACT LIKE IT. I will go first. Boobs.

Wee wee!!!

[El Roranous]

Yeah, seriously. There is no place for that here. We are all 8 year olds, so ACT LIKE IT. I will go first. Boobs.
BOOBIES! WHERE!?

[Khev]

However, Tolkien had specific reasons for writing the Crack of Doom section as he did, and the change that PJ and friends made spoilt it for me. Tolkiens reasons were nothing to do with allegory, but they were to do with his Christianity; again, for me thats irrelevant - I just preferred it the way Tolkien wrote it.
I'm just curious, how was Tolkien's version more "Christian", so to speak, than Jackson's? I ask because I'm a Christian and don't have a problem with the film version. I haven't read the books (except for The Hobbit) but my understanding was that the scene in the book was like the cartoon; Gollum takes the ring, dances around and just slips off the edge without any further struggle with Frodo.

Frodo still gives in to the power of the Ring in both versions, he battles Gollum over it in both versions, what's wrong with him struggling all the way till Gollum goes over the side? I know PJ actually filmed an alternate version of the scene where Frodo *pushes* Gollum off the edge, but that isn't what happened in the final movie.

[Bannister]

Wee wee!!!
poo.:sancho

[Bannister]

I'm just curious, how was Tolkien's version more "Christian", so to speak, than Jackson's? I ask because I'm a Christian and don't have a problem with the film version. I haven't read the books (except for The Hobbit) but my understanding was that the scene in the book was like the cartoon; Gollum takes the ring, dances around and just slips off the edge without any further struggle with Frodo.

Frodo still gives in to the power of the Ring in both versions, he battles Gollum over it in both versions, what's wrong with him struggling all the way till Gollum goes over the side? I know PJ actually filmed an alternate version of the scene where Frodo *pushes* Gollum off the edge, but that isn't what happened in the final movie.
If you don't understand, then you must not be a very good Cristian then. I guess I will see you in Hell with all us other blasphemers.:monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey3 :monkey5 :monkey5 :monkey5

[tomandshell]

I think Khev is correct in that most of what PJ did was extend the struggle between Frodo and Gollum. I don't see a major "Christian" emphasis in the book that was intentionally deleted by PJ for the film. (It's not like in the book, Frodo withstood the temptation and Gollum saw the error of his ways and sought forgiveness.) The events play out in basically the same way. For sure, Frodo's actions are tweaked, but it is not a complete betrayal of the book. Tolkien seems to have wanted to show that giving in to temptation can have dangerous consequences, and that comes out in both the book and film versions of the scene. Had they used the filmed (but unused) version of the scene where Frodo intentionally pushes Gollum over the side then Frodo would be a murderer and that would be a bigger deal. As it is, we have a struggle (as in the book) leading to an inevitably negative outcome for Gollum.

[Bannister]

I think Khev is correct in that most of what PJ did was extend the struggle between Frodo and Gollum. I don't see a major "Christian" emphasis in the book that was intentionally deleted by PJ for the film. (It's not like in the book, Frodo withstood the temptation and Gollum saw the error of his ways and sought forgiveness.) The events play out in basically the same way. For sure, Frodo's actions are tweaked, but it is not a complete betrayal of the book. Tolkien seems to have wanted to show that giving in to temptation can have dangerous consequences, and that comes out in both the book and film versions of the scene. Had they used the filmed (but unused) version of the scene where Frodo intentionally pushes Gollum over the side then Frodo would be a murderer and that would be a bigger deal. As it is, we have a struggle (as in the book) leading to an inevitably negative outcome for Gollum.
Well said. :rock:rock:rock

[crazytrain]

I'm just curious, how was Tolkien's version more "Christian", so to speak, than Jackson's? I ask because I'm a Christian and don't have a problem with the film version. I haven't read the books (except for The Hobbit) but my understanding was that the scene in the book was like the cartoon; Gollum takes the ring, dances around and just slips off the edge without any further struggle with Frodo.

Frodo still gives in to the power of the Ring in both versions, he battles Gollum over it in both versions, what's wrong with him struggling all the way till Gollum goes over the side? I know PJ actually filmed an alternate version of the scene where Frodo *pushes* Gollum off the edge, but that isn't what happened in the final movie.

I never said that PJ's version was any less Christian than Tolkien's, just that Tolkien refers to it in context with his Christian beliefs. The point I was trying to make was that people seemed to be confusing allegory with Christianity and then deriding others; they are not the same thing. As I said, the reason I prefer Tolkien's version has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity - I just prefer it his way to PJs - I don't have a "problem" with PJ's version either, I just prefer Tolkien's...

[Fritz]

With all do respect to Trev, based on the few dimly lit pictures we've seen I don't see how anyone can determine that it's the best likeness of Elijah Wood we've seen. Personally I think it's a little premature to say it's any better or worse than Matt's and Ben's versions.

Can you give us any hints as to what the scale is Trev?

[LOTRFan]

Granted it is only half of his face, but the scale is likely similar -- The Escape plaque is very good.


And it's done by Virginia Lee! :rock

[Trevolver]

This one was 1/9 scale...hope I'm not stepping on toes by revealing that. it is a small piece

thanks guys!
Trev

[tomandshell]

This one was 1/9 scale...hope I'm not stepping on toes by revealing that. it is a small piece

thanks guys!
Trev

Small piece could mean a smaller price! Maybe I will end up getting one after all, if the price is right.

[Fritz]

Thanks Trev! And don't worry, if you weren't supposed to say anything, we won't tell. Mums the word. :D

Does anyone know what scale the meeting of old friends bookends were or the escape plaque?

[The Josh]

I could use a small price.

[Darth Caedus]

With all do respect to Trev, based on the few dimly lit pictures we've seen I don't see how anyone can determine that it's the best likeness of Elijah Wood we've seen. Personally I think it's a little premature to say it's any better or worse than Matt's and Ben's versions.

Can you give us any hints as to what the scale is Trev?

Likeness was off and I think I saw monkey arms........:emperor :emperor

[Darth Loki]

Small piece could mean a smaller price! Maybe I will end up getting one after all, if the price is right.


Yeah, but I don't want this if Frodo and Gollum are only going to be 4 inches tall. I have bust-ups bigger than that.

I'd assume this is closer to 1/6 scale since they are both small characters to begin with.

[LOTRFan]

I'd assume this is closer to 1/6 scale since they are both small characters to begin with.

Go back a page Loki, it is indeed 1/9 scale. :wave

The Meeting Bookends, have to be about 1/16 scale, so I figure you can double their size for this one. :cool:

[customizerwannabe]

1/9 is pretty small, but that's fine by me. Gotten enough monster size pieces lately. The price needs to be 1/9 scale too. Doubt it will. BTW, here's some boobs.
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/obscene/eck02.gif

[Darth Caedus]

1/9 is pretty small, but that's fine by me. Gotten enough monster size pieces lately. The price needs to be 1/9 scale too. Doubt it will. BTW, here's some boobs.
http://www.websmileys.com/sm/obscene/eck02.gif

MMMM, those were nice. I really hope that the price isn't too bad, because I would love to get this line. Had to spend a bunch on school recently, so I hope that the price is right for me.

[Darth Loki]

Go back a page Loki, it is indeed 1/9 scale. :wave

The Meeting Bookends, have to be about 1/16 scale, so I figure you can double their size for this one. :cool:

My bad. :duh :thwak :stooge :slap

So these guys won't be any bigger than 4-5 inches. It still looks nice, but I think that just killed what interest I had in it. Hopefully it'll have a nice price point to rekindle it though :D

[Bannister]

Hoefully this will be around $150.00.

[Darth Loki]

Hoefully this will be around $150.00.


That's honestly the price point I'm expecting. If there's no exclusive, you should be able to get if for around $130-135 from a retailer which isn't bad at all.

[Bannister]

That's honestly the price point I'm expecting. If there's no exclusive, you should be able to get if for around $130-135 from a retailer which isn't bad at all.
Yeah, I actually hope there isn't an exclusive because with LOTR stuff I have to have the exc. and I would rather get a discount like on the Frodo PF.

[tomandshell]

I somehow doubt that there will be an exclusive, but you never know.

[Darth Loki]

I somehow doubt that there will be an exclusive, but you never know.


I don't know what it could be since there doesn't seem to be any lava that could light up.

[Bannister]

Maybe it will be an exclusive Christian version, like the Boba Fett exclusive communion wafer.

[bonsey]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Calle_Sandell]

I just hope it won't be like: super exc limited Grey Frodo (50)!!!

[Boba Fett]

It's a nice piece, but I have no interest in it. I'm already satisfied with the SS/Weta line already.

[spaceman]

I've got a soft spot for fully sculpted pieces, they're my real favorite.

I'm cautiously excited about this line. My only real concern is redundancy, but if there is new ground, I'm all for it. Frodo and Gollum were both very strangely underrepresented in the original SideshowWeta line, so thumbs up here.

[Bannister]

I've got a soft spot for fully sculpted pieces, they're my real favorite.

I'm cautiously excited about this line. My only real concern is redundancy, but if there is new ground, I'm all for it. Frodo and Gollum were both very strangely underrepresented in the original SideshowWeta line, so thumbs up here.
Gollum had two busts, and two statues. I think he was represented fine. As was Frodo. Frodo had a bust, a statue, and was on a plaque.

[SideshowDusty]

We think you will be very happy with the price :D

[Darth Loki]

We think you will be very happy with the price :D


I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. :monkey1

[Bannister]

We think you will be very happy with the price :D
So happy that we will be as giddy as 8 year olds.:lol

[gabberjawa]

We think you will be very happy with the price :D

Just what I wanted to hear! :monkey5

[FlyAndFight]

Just what I wanted to hear! :monkey5

Me too! Here's hoping the entire line is similarly well priced.

[choopie]

Gollum had two busts, and two statues.

And don't forget the medallion. :D

[Darth Caedus]

So happy that we will be as giddy as 8 year olds.:lol

Some moreso than others. Some people here are already giddy as 8 year olds...:chew :chew

[spaceman]

Gollum had two busts, and two statues. I think he was represented fine. As was Frodo. Frodo had a bust, a statue, and was on a plaque.

Good point about the plaques/busts. I was speaking as a figure collector.

The only Frodo was the early Fellowship piece, which I regrettably passed on, not caring much for the pose or likeness. My opinion of it has risen somewhat since, but it is still absent from my collection. I had hoped or assummed an alternate Frodo might appear from a later point in the Adventure.

The two gollum pieces were only from the DVD sets. They are apparently in scale at least, but lack the standard base from the main set.

[Bannister]

And don't forget the medallion. :D
I knew I was missing something.

[Bannister]

Good point about the plaques/busts. I was speaking as a figure collector.

The only Frodo was the early Fellowship piece, which I regrettably passed on, not caring much for the pose or likeness. My opinion of it has risen somewhat since, but it is still absent from my collection. I had hoped or assummed an alternate Frodo might appear from a later point in the Adventure.

The two gollum pieces were only from the DVD sets. They are apparently in scale at least, but lack the standard base from the main set.
I used to own the SSW Frodo and it was indeed a nice piece. I couldn't justify keeping it though what with what it was selling for on ebay. It was nice, but not that nice.

[Gruff Old Bear]

Dear Sideshow,

Please assign the sculpting duties for the 1:6 Frodo figure to Trevor Grove.

Thank you very much,

Gruff

[Bannister]

Dear Sideshow,

Please assign the sculpting duties for the 1:6 Frodo figure to Trevor Grove.

Thank you very much,

Gruff
I second that. :rock:rock:rock

[LOTRFan]

Indeed, the sculpting is amazing! :clap I certainly hope the paintwork holds up at this scale.

[Bannister]

Indeed, the sculpting is amazing! :clap I certainly hope the paintwork holds up at this scale.
God I hope so.

[tomandshell]

Some moreso than others. Some people here are already giddy as 8 year olds...:chew :chew

http://www.btimes.co.za/cards/gifs/bday9.jpg

[Bannister]

http://www.btimes.co.za/cards/gifs/bday9.jpg
:fireworks :fireworks :fireworks :fireworks :fireworks :fireworks:fireworks :fireworks

[The Josh]

Sounds like the price for this one will be really nice. Could use all the help I can get.

[Khev]

At 1:9 scale I wonder how elaborate the base will be. I believe Andy has made a couple of references about us being blown away by it. Perhaps there will be a large section of the ground they were standing on sculpted, making for a quite imposing sight.

A part of me is glad that its 1:9 since I'm assuming most will be in that scale. I'd prefer all the pieces to match with one another.

[Vince]

what I hope for in terms of scale is that this piece will be in the same scale as the other future Diorama pieces.
That I won't be a little bigger because of the size of Frodo and Gollum


And a remark.
I think it's strange that Frodo's finger hasn't been bitten off.
Isn't that a huge mistake?, because at that point of the movie, Gollum has just bitten of Frodo's finger and they struggle to obtain the ring.
Or am I becoming a little blind ??

[ifu03612]

Yeah I was looking for the hand with the missing finger as well but could not see it!!!

[Seretur]

It's there -- you can see the blood dripping from Frodo's left index finger:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/affiliates/banners/9713_600x400.jpg

It appears only the top knuckle of his finger is missing, though, not the whole thing. But it's not like this is an accurate depiction anyway. :D

I wonder how large the Sammath Naur environment will be -- I've wanted one for long, long years, ever since it first appeared in FOTR, but I'll be devastated if it finally gets its due as part of this piece. Oh well.

[Marcus is not dead]

Shai, bring back the Finger of Doom, they saw you...

[Bannister]

I wonder how large the Sammath Naur environment will be -- I've wanted one for long, long years, ever since it first appeared in FOTR, but I'll be devastated if it finally gets its due as part of this piece. Oh well.
:violin :violin :violin
:monkey5 :monkey5 :monkey5

[Fubeca]

Is this what you are talking about?

http://www.fingerofdoom.com/doomages/fingerofdoom2.jpg

[Bannister]

Is this what you are talking about?

http://www.fingerofdoom.com/doomages/fingerofdoom2.jpg
I think Shai's Finger of Doom is a little less in your face and alot more in another place.:D

[Marcus is not dead]

I'm confused...
where's the ring then?

[Khev]

It's there -- you can see the blood dripping from Frodo's left index finger:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/affiliates/banners/9713_600x400.jpg
WOW that looks spectacular. Thanks for continuing to post such amazing pics Seretur. You're doing a great job of promoting this amazing piece!

[gabberjawa]

:lol

Fingers crossed for another dio reveal at Toyfair

[The Josh]

:lol

Fingers crossed for another dio reveal at Toyfair

:lol Yeah, I hope we see another. :chew

[Seretur]

Even if I'm not getting this particular piece, the level of skill on display definitely shows that this line has potential for wonders to come.

:)

[Bullseye]

Is this likely to be up for order at TF?

[Captain Faramir]

I'm not sure, but I will say that's the best Gollum I've seen on any piece, period. Just amazing! And if that's the likeness then can get on Frodo, then they had better make the 1/6 version just as good!!!!!

[KAOSINLA]

This may be the only Frodo piece I'm likely to acquire...BTW, it kind of looks like Frodo's finger is in a post-bitten state.

[Seretur]

It's not that different from the Gollum as Gollum bookend, really.

And the best Gollum likeness, for my money, is still on the big Weta bust. But all of them look quite good.

[Bannister]

It's not that different from the Gollum as Gollum bookend, really.

And the best Gollum likeness, for my money, is still on the big Weta bust. But all of them look quite good.
Indeed the Weta Gollum bust is great and creepy as hell.