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batman232
08-02-2014, 01:30 PM
www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-new-batmobile-1989-hot-toys-1-6-rare-limited-edition-/281402246713?pt=Diecast_Vehicles&hash=item4184e18639

He had the item yesterday the bid was at $76 and he re-listed the item again today. Another thing I send him a couple of messages, one telling him that I'll pay $300 for it and right away he said Yes. But I have a feeling that is a scam. Also I told him can I just send the money through paypal since it has Buyers Protection , he's response "If you don't agree with Money Order don't bid. What do you guys think

holtrax
08-02-2014, 01:35 PM
Why is he only accepting money orders on the item and why would he be only accepting $300 for the item in question when its worth much more. Something's not right. Think about it..

evenflow
08-02-2014, 01:37 PM
I would be weary of money orders only.

Centrocal
08-02-2014, 01:37 PM
oh, it might be haunted :horror

jra81984
08-02-2014, 01:40 PM
Stay as far away from that as possible if he avoids Paypal. If he has an issue with paypal, offer to add fees onto your total amount. And also NEVER pay as a gift.

preeny101
08-02-2014, 01:48 PM
Beware ghosts.:horror

Buttmunch
08-02-2014, 02:29 PM
The auction page lists Paypal as a payment method, so I guess you could always force him into it :lol

SuicideAnomaly
08-02-2014, 02:35 PM
He only has three feedback as a seller, and all of these were for items that were $.99. That combined with only accepting money orders, I would avoid this one like the plague.

V8_Club
08-02-2014, 02:37 PM
Avoid like the plague

INSTAGRAM Feed : http://websta.me/n/v8club/

Captain Britain
08-02-2014, 02:48 PM
It's never a good deal if you lose all your money.

attom44
08-02-2014, 02:55 PM
Honestly.. I don't even think you really needed to ask us.. common sense should be at work on your part... if it's to good to be true it's not.. run from this and don't look back, no piece of plastic is worth all the headaches this may unleash on you. Run Sir RUN!

JacktheRipper
08-02-2014, 03:19 PM
So this batmobile was left to him in a will?

TheOwl
08-02-2014, 03:20 PM
The auction page lists Paypal as a payment method, so I guess you could always force him into it :lol Buttmunch, when did you become so creepy....and green? :horror

Gage
08-02-2014, 03:49 PM
Your asking to get rip off. Stay away.

Y4NK33 PL4N3T
08-02-2014, 03:59 PM
Common sense says avoid at all costs, so make sure to bid asap.

Lejuan
08-02-2014, 04:02 PM
Common sense says avoid at all costs, so make sure to bid asap.

:lecture :lol everybody needs a life lesson, and this is a beauty.

EVILFACE
08-02-2014, 04:09 PM
Someone listing that thing as 'rare' should be your first tip to avoid it.

Pixelpiper
08-02-2014, 05:07 PM
Just play by the rules, which means follow the bidding process. Don't try to circumvent eBay rules and then expect the buyer to follow same. If you win the auction, he accepts PayPal, there's no way he can even ask for payment via another method - it's impossible to do as everything is automated on eBay. You win, you pay, he ships. You're covered ten ways from Sunday. From eBay, from PayPal and if you fund with your credit card, by that company. If you want it go for it.

batman232
08-02-2014, 06:06 PM
Im going to bid but yes I'll pay with paypal like that Im covered. But I'll sleep on it for a couple of days , as far as money order I won't. Thanks guys I know is a dumb questions.

afattori
08-02-2014, 06:39 PM
Probably an empty box. Ask for pictures of inside box and ask if he can ship COD (cash on delivery). Any payment with money order other than in person with visual inspection of item before money changes hand is usually a scam.

Hydeous
08-02-2014, 06:41 PM
If you can pick it up yourself, it's fine. But otherwise sounds good to be true.

afattori
08-02-2014, 06:47 PM
USPS money orders are traceable. You can send it with delivery confirmation and signature required. If you get scammed you can file a claim with the USPS but your money will be tied up or never get it back. Or save up for one and get one that you know will be legit.

afattori
08-02-2014, 06:50 PM
Asked seller to list pictures on inside of box contents plus brown shipper. Will post reply if I get one.

afattori
08-02-2014, 06:52 PM
or cashiers check from your bank. Ask bank about buyer protection if you get ripped off.

Buttmunch
08-02-2014, 06:56 PM
Buttmunch, when did you become so creepy....and green? :horror

When the Court of the Dead called.

batman232
08-03-2014, 01:33 AM
I doubt it is real he's also selling a hot toys old batman and robin...I google for box pics and the picture he has for those items are from a website not something he has. Why couldn't he take he's own pictures anyways here is the link for that auction and the website with the same pictures http://www.koolkollectibles.net/2014/05/hot-toys-mms218-batman-and-mms219-robin.html?m=1 and here is the ebay link http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=281402246424&alt=web

Mr Walker
08-03-2014, 01:43 AM
If a deal seems too good to be true it generally is.

Jameson Rook
08-03-2014, 02:31 AM
His English veddy bad..

Pixelpiper
08-03-2014, 06:39 AM
His English veddy bad..

Probably because he's French Canadian. His English is probably a lot better than everyone else's French. ;)


If a deal seems too good to be true it generally is.

It's an auction so the price at the moment isn't a deal unless the auction ends right away. WRT to very few items sold - people have to start somewhere. I used to sell a decent amount on eBay, but that was a long time ago. If you looked at my account you wouldn't find a sale in the past 5 years, but you'd see a lot of purchases. eBay is built largely on trust, so sometimes you have to take a chance, which is why they've built up their buyer protection business. I'd feel comfortable bidding on these auctions in particular, and not just because I'm in Canada.

afattori
08-03-2014, 12:20 PM
Bidded on it for the hell of it. Sent me pictures of inside contents. Might be shady, but if can score for 300.00 range might take chance. Will pay with USPS money order. Traceable and if he is a scammer, will report him for mail fraud. Will ask seller for proof of address, photo id and pay pal account to verify him. If win and works out resell it or trade.

afattori
08-03-2014, 12:24 PM
I found the picture he is using from a website that reviewed the 89 batmobile.

http://www.fruitlesspursuits.com/2013/10/review-hot-toys-89-batmobile.html

Will ask seller to send real picture with his username written on a piece of paper. If a no, will report him to ebay.

afattori
08-03-2014, 12:45 PM
More looking like a scam. will post his reply when I get it and picture if he sends it. Hopefully not a photo-shopped or MS paint edited picture with text added like someone sent me in the past.

batman232
08-03-2014, 01:00 PM
I was searching for a similar picture glad you found it. I'll just wait to find a deal, also he hardly ever responds to messages. It's a scam, I rather pay the extra bucks. If anyone wins show pics if you do get it.

batman232
08-03-2014, 01:03 PM
If it's a scam you know you won't be able to get your money back. Usps M/O are not covered like paypal .

Y4NK33 PL4N3T
08-03-2014, 01:18 PM
:lecture :lol everybody needs a life lesson, and this is a beauty.

:exactly: See below:


Im going to bid but yes I'll pay with paypal like that Im covered. But I'll sleep on it for a couple of days , as far as money order I won't.

batman232
08-03-2014, 02:54 PM
I take it back lol not bidding on this TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

Lejuan
08-03-2014, 03:09 PM
I take it back lol not bidding on this TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

I think you just avoided the hassle of a paypal dispute :)

j97e1
08-03-2014, 03:10 PM
I am so happy you felt the need to ask about this!
So - Yes, totally trust this person. It's all looks very legit, he just used pics from the web cuz his camera is broken.
And you should only pay with money order, because paypal protection is unreliable, and you don't even need it to begin with.

Lejuan
08-03-2014, 03:16 PM
I am so happy you felt the need to ask about this!
So - Yes, totally trust this person. It's all looks very legit, he just used pics from the web cuz his camera is broken.
And you should only pay with money order, because paypal protection is unreliable, and you don't even need it to begin with.

:lol some of us have been around the block a few more times than others. I still remember the first (and only) time I got burned by the Interwebz. Paid $50 for access to content and ended up getting nothing but a bunch of links to free content :lol

batman232
08-03-2014, 07:37 PM
Lol I know right ...in another Note I just bought a MIB Takara Batman begins for $75, I'll just wait for a batmobile, not in a hurry.

Pixelpiper
08-03-2014, 09:11 PM
PayPal is a buyer's game. You should feel very comfortable as a buyer, and extremely so if you fund by credit card. I've been selling commercially using PayPal for 8 years now and it's very difficult to win a dispute against a fraudulent buyer. With no question as a credit card funded transaction you'll win every time against a fraudulent seller.

afattori
08-05-2014, 08:55 AM
I emailed seller telling him I found the link where he pulled pictures from and to send me actual pictures of item and have not heard a reply or excuse that his camera is broken. No answer is usually an answer of guilt.

Pixelpiper
08-05-2014, 09:23 AM
Most sellers on eBay steal photos and most product sales do not include photos of the actual item you will receive. Photos on eBay mean nothing.

afattori
08-05-2014, 12:34 PM
Most sellers on eBay steal photos and most product sales do not include photos of the actual item you will receive. Photos on eBay mean nothing.

If seller does not reply to the question I asked, then there is a problem. I asked for picture of contents of box and he sent me a borrowed pictured from the link I posted he got it from. Maybe if you read the previous and my posts you would see the point why this is suspicious. I asked for actual picture of contents and received someone else s pictures. Not honest boss!

Pixelpiper
08-05-2014, 12:46 PM
It's not my auction, so I don't care one way or the other. I'm trying to tell you "HOW IT IS" on eBay and in the real world. If you don't care for the information I provided, that's cool. If you think the seller is suspicious, then don't buy from them. I'm sure they don't care either.

Counter to what many people believe eBay is not a place filled with scummy and untrustworthy sellers, it's a place filled to the breaking point with scummy and worthless buyers.

afattori
08-05-2014, 03:31 PM
It's not my auction, so I don't care one way or the other. I'm trying to tell you "HOW IT IS" on eBay and in the real world. If you don't care for the information I provided, that's cool. If you think the seller is suspicious, then don't buy from them. I'm sure they don't care either.

Counter to what many people believe eBay is not a place filled with scummy and untrustworthy sellers, it's a place filled to the breaking point with scummy and worthless buyers.

We were talking about this specific auction young man, not ebay auctions where sellers use stock photos in general
Relax a little why don't you?

Pixelpiper
08-05-2014, 03:54 PM
Everything I've posted applies to this specific auction you're looking at. Again, take advice if you want - or don't.

I'm 41, so regardless of how old you are, calling me a young man isn't exactly the right thing to do, but I suppose you were trying a backhanded passive aggressive insult - great to know for those who will choose in the future not to offer you any assistance. In any case it's clear you don't have any experience with eBay, so you'd probably do well to not bite the hand that feeds you. If you come looking for help and advice you shouldn't try to crap on those willing to give it.

Some people really... No one deserves to get burned in an online transaction, but it seems like you need to learn life lessons the hard way.

Pixelpiper
08-05-2014, 04:05 PM
I've been looking for a good argument all day, and I have to say this thread has left me a little underwhelmed, even after my reply below. :)


Relax a little why don't you?

Jesus H! I have to pay more attention to user names. I just realized that you weren't the person asking the original question, but were instead someone offering REALLY BAD ADVICE that will only get someone burned. I'll tear it down for you now.


ask if he can ship COD (cash on delivery).

Nobody in their right mind would ever ship COD for an eBay auction. This isn't 1950. You also absolutely cannot inspect the content of the package in any way before paying. Once you pay, those funds are GONE. PERIOD. This is not a safe way to handle a transaction for any party involved.


Any payment with money order other than in person with visual inspection of item before money changes hand is usually a scam.

It doesn't mean it's a scam and "usually" is a very broad brush. I'm willing to offer you this counter: There's a good chance there are more fraudulent money orders sent than fraudster sellers asking for money orders.


USPS money orders are traceable. You can send it with delivery confirmation and signature required.

You're confusing the features of a money order with the features of USPS's mail service. But yes, you can inquire as to wether a money order was cashed and where it was cashed and MAYBE by whom - but that's not guaranteed - it SHOULD be the person named on the money order of course.


If you get scammed you can file a claim with the USPS

That's not going to help you even if you can (and you can't necessarily). Especially if the money order, like most sold around the world, was purchased from a bank. Sending a money order is like sending cash with the benefit that you can confirm when it's been processed/cashed.


or cashiers check from your bank. Ask bank about buyer protection if you get ripped off.

Again, this is like sending cash with only proof of acceptance. Neither provides you with any security whatsoever. The only secure method of payment online is ESCROW. The next best thing is PayPal and Credit Card funding for auctions or straight-up credit card for businesses with their own merchant account.

Seriously, stop giving bad advice, you're going to get someone burned.

ashkanls
08-05-2014, 11:15 PM
I emailed seller telling him I found the link where he pulled pictures from and to send me actual pictures of item and have not heard a reply or excuse that his camera is broken. No answer is usually an answer of guilt.

That doesnt mean jack. I use Hot Toys pics if my item has zero issues and when people ask for pics I just ignore it. Hell if people come off annoying I IGNORE them. Maybe your coming off that way to him. Maybe you should just forget about them item and this thread should be locked up. As some people say "That is my honest opinion, idk"

Y4NK33 PL4N3T
08-05-2014, 11:18 PM
I've been looking for a good argument all day, and I have to say this thread has left me a little underwhelmed, even after my reply below. :)

The statue forum beckons you then. :lol

afattori
08-06-2014, 09:21 AM
Some of you guys really need to relax a bit. Sad how you can not have a civil discussion without people getting rude. I guess I am from a different generation. Also, ignoring people who ask for actual picture of item comes across as being childish and imature. That's my opinion(thought I better put that so it does not come across as fact).

Pixelpiper
08-06-2014, 09:45 AM
Some of you guys really need to relax a bit.

You might want to stop telling people what to do, it comes across as being childish and immature. And unless you have some arcane powers and a crystal ball, I really can't fathom how you know someone's state of relaxation. Do you have a Chi flow-rendering display that automatically colors people's posts according to Feng Shui? I thought they stopped making those things years ago.


Sad how you can not have a civil discussion without people getting rude.

Look in the mirror sometime - you're failing to see why your posts have been problematic to put it politely. Maybe it's part of a bitter condescending generation that no one else is privy to.

Taibhse
08-06-2014, 10:45 AM
It's not my auction, so I don't care one way or the other. I'm trying to tell you "HOW IT IS" on eBay and in the real world. If you don't care for the information I provided, that's cool. If you think the seller is suspicious, then don't buy from them. I'm sure they don't care either.

Counter to what many people believe eBay is not a place filled with scummy and untrustworthy sellers, it's a place filled to the breaking point with scummy and worthless buyers.



Honest buyers and sellers have to proceed with caution.. like most auction based market places, there are rotten apples on both sides.
That said, I have had lots of good transactions and far, far fewer genuinely bad ones.. my three most regular annoyances are, Shill bidding.. followed by, Sellers describing something is 'brand new and never opened', then receiving a figure which quite clearly has been displayed (in retail packaging that equally obviously has been opened).. and finally, inadequate packaging which results in wholly avoidable and unnecessary damage in transit.

I have used eBay since before PayPal became pretty much the de facto standard of payment.. and as a general rule of thumb, I only use two transaction formats.. PayPal and Cash on collection.. I wouldn't touch other payment methods with a ten foot pole.. anyone who does, is taking an unnecessary risk and sooner or later, is likely to regret it.

Duff
08-08-2014, 06:41 PM
if its too good to be true, it generally is

batman232
08-08-2014, 07:26 PM
Well someone won that auction for close to $500. I'm just waiting to see if he actually receives the item, as I will check this guys feedback.

VincentVegaFFF
08-13-2014, 11:35 PM
Negative feedback was left for the Batmobile. Buyer says the seller didn't respond to emails and relisted the car after the buyer had paid. The buyer also got screwed out of a DX12 Batman as well. So yep, avoid this one,

batman232
08-14-2014, 01:08 AM
Glad I dodge this one lol

batman232
08-14-2014, 01:09 AM
What's funny is that is up again and people are still bidding on it. Smh lol.

Pixelpiper
08-14-2014, 06:04 AM
Look at the feedback and look at the auction listing. It's clear what happened here. The seller is selling these two items for an estate, not for himself. The buyer paid by PayPal which the seller claimed they were not accepting (the seller should modify the auction format preferences). So the seller cancels the payment and re-lists the items. I'm not sure why anyone would expect a different result.

The seller responded to my inquiry within 5 minutes (just now) confirming what I had just posted above. Payment method was not accepted and was refunded. The seller also has 3 vehicles available.

I don't buy stuff on eBay with money orders, but it's unfair to say that this seller was trying to rip off the buyer. This was a case of the buyer not reading or ignoring the terms of the auction.

EVILFACE
08-14-2014, 06:10 AM
But PayPal is the only acceptable payment method for ebay.

Pixelpiper
08-14-2014, 06:20 AM
But PayPal is the only acceptable payment method for ebay.

It's the preferred, as eBay owns PayPal, but they allow competing services as well (there would be some antitrust questions if they didn't). Money orders and other forms such as checks have restricted categories, and this auction isn't in one of them - but that's up to eBay to take down the auction if someone complains. If the seller says he'll refuse PayPal, then expecting them to accept your payment is kind of naive.

SAB
08-14-2014, 06:16 PM
Look at the feedback and look at the auction listing. It's clear what happened here. The seller is selling these two items for an estate, not for himself. The buyer paid by PayPal which the seller claimed they were not accepting (the seller should modify the auction format preferences). So the seller cancels the payment and re-lists the items. I'm not sure why anyone would expect a different result.

The seller responded to my inquiry within 5 minutes (just now) confirming what I had just posted above. Payment method was not accepted and was refunded. The seller also has 3 vehicles available.

I don't buy stuff on eBay with money orders, but it's unfair to say that this seller was trying to rip off the buyer. This was a case of the buyer not reading or ignoring the terms of the auction.

Well I agree with you in general but its definitely entirely the sellers fault for not listing their auction properly and setting their preferences properly.
If I clearly see up top front and center with a big Paypal logo that Paypal is accepted, then I don't go trawling through text to see if Paypal is in fact not accepted.

Lejuan
08-14-2014, 07:51 PM
Look at the feedback and look at the auction listing. It's clear what happened here. The seller is selling these two items for an estate, not for himself. The buyer paid by PayPal which the seller claimed they were not accepting (the seller should modify the auction format preferences). So the seller cancels the payment and re-lists the items. I'm not sure why anyone would expect a different result.

The seller responded to my inquiry within 5 minutes (just now) confirming what I had just posted above. Payment method was not accepted and was refunded. The seller also has 3 vehicles available.

I don't buy stuff on eBay with money orders, but it's unfair to say that this seller was trying to rip off the buyer. This was a case of the buyer not reading or ignoring the terms of the auction.

The seller is excluding from the payment options the most reliable mode of payment with which a dispute can be lodged if the deal goes sour. Sure it's fair to say the seller is trying to rip off the buyer.

Taibhse
08-14-2014, 08:02 PM
The Seller is selling the items for someone else.. and is only accepting money orders, not PayPal?

What could possibly go wrong..... :slap

Pixelpiper
08-14-2014, 08:29 PM
A lot can go wrong. But nothing did go wrong. The seller could have taken the funds for 3 sales and simply run. That he would go to the trouble of refunding the money kind of disproves to a large degree he's intending to rip anyone off. He may not be the sharpest seller on the block, but I'd hardly cal him a thief before he actually does any thieving. I'm sure someone will buy and receive the goods.

But don't get me wrong… I'm not defining the seller for putting up terms that violate eBay policies or that many people would be wary of, I'm just suggesting that it's early to label him a scammer when he's done the opposite of what a scammer would be expected to do. Maybe some of you guys are too young to remember trading, selling and buying on the net before PayPal became so prevalent. I did plenty of sales and purchases on eBay, and long before ebay, via money order.

Taibhse
08-14-2014, 08:33 PM
A lot can go wrong. But nothing did go wrong. The seller could have taken the funds for 3 sales and simply run. That he would go to the trouble of refunding the money kind of disproves to a large degree he's intending to rip anyone off. He may not be the sharpest seller on the block, but I'd hardly cal him a thief before he actually does any thieving. I'm sure someone will buy and receive the goods.


You may be correct.. but of course if the Seller is intending to do a runner, then taking payment via PayPal would not be in his interests.. naturally he would refund the PayPal buyer, and then wait for money order buyers, no?

Pixelpiper
08-14-2014, 08:41 PM
If the most he can get is $1500 (let's say 500 x 3 bat mobiles) then his best plan of attack would be 3 auctions closely timed, payment via PayPal and then just close up shop. Taking money orders means he still burns his eBay account. Neither is a smart move if he intends to continue to do business in the future via eBay. Besides, if that was his plan, there are a million things he could list besides a Hot Toys Batmobile that would be more discrete and make him lot more money.

As much as his eBay etiquette is crap, the whole scam-plan just doesn't add up. It's not logical. Which I suppose is out the window anyway if the guy is a total nutter. ;)

Taibhse
08-14-2014, 09:45 PM
If the most he can get is $1500 (let's say 500 x 3 bat mobiles) then his best plan of attack would be 3 auctions closely timed, payment via PayPal and then just close up shop. Taking money orders means he still burns his eBay account. Neither is a smart move if he intends to continue to do business in the future via eBay. Besides, if that was his plan, there are a million things he could list besides a Hot Toys Batmobile that would be more discrete and make him lot more money.

As much as his eBay etiquette is crap, the whole scam-plan just doesn't add up. It's not logical. Which I suppose is out the window anyway if the guy is a total nutter. ;)


He may burn his eBay account using either method.. but a PayPal authorised bank account probably means he can be traced much more easily, legal action will be more effective and his Bank will almost certainly refund PayPal from his current account.

However you may be right, it might just be a case that the Seller doesn't want to pay Paypal fees (much lower than the eBay fees, which he apparently doesn't mind paying) and is helping sell high price, Hot Toy Batmobiles.. three of them.. identical models..for a 'friend'...

Personally I wouldn't touch those auctions with a bargepole.. the Seller has incurred negative feedback on both a Batmobile 89 and Batman DX by PayPal buyers.. he is only accepting money orders..nearly all his feedback is from Sellers.. and his only sales in the past, appear to be 0.99c items.. I admire your desire to see the best in people Pixel, but if this Seller was based in China with that kind of profile (and not Canada) would you still be so sure?

I was also under the impression that eBay had a rather poor reputation for rigorously preventing scammers opening new accounts.. just saying.