Friday the 13th: The Final Trilogy Parts XI-XIII

[dekadentdave]

While browsing through IMDB I came across a listing for an untitled Friday the 13th sequel for 2007. If true, this will be the eleventh film in the franchise destined to reach it's "final" Final Chapter at part 13. I know they've said it before with part IV and Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday (yeah right) and we didn't believe them. What is interesting is that since New Line took over the franchise they have dropped Friday the 13th from the titles. Perhaps a rights issue? Anyway, after the ludicrous Terminator Jason in Jason X, any theories or speculation how Jason will return for the final 3 in the series?

[abstractharmony]

Sam as he did before - lightning or just plain waking up.

Don't forget Jason X took place in the far future and they did mentioned how many kills he'd made so they've got plenty to work with.

But you are correct - it is a right's issue with the name - Paramount love it a little too much...

[IrishJedi]

Actually, they have been working on the rights thing in regards to the title "Friday The 13th". In fact, it looks like that may be clearing up between Paramount, New Line, and Sean S. Cunningham and there is a REMAKE in the works to be produced by Michael Bay and Platinum Dunes and directed by Jonathan Liebsman (who directed "Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning").

So, in essence, the folks that brought us the TCM remakes are now getting ready to remake F13 as well. This could be good, or bad.

[DarkArtist81]

Actually, they have been working on the rights thing in regards to the title "Friday The 13th". In fact, it looks like that may be clearing up between Paramount, New Line, and Sean S. Cunningham and there is a REMAKE in the works to be produced by Michael Bay and Platinum Dunes and directed by Jonathan Liebsman (who directed "Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning").

So, in essence, the folks that brought us the TCM remakes are now getting ready to remake F13 as well. This could be good, or bad.

Indeed....what HE said. It's in the works, and is being remade...or reimagined. So we will have to see if this is a good thing.... or a very very bad thing. Either way, we at LEAST will have a new F13th film in the theaters sometime in the next 2 or 3 years. :lol

[dekadentdave]

Ughhhh.... I HATE remakes! This is bad because it won't officially be part of the series. I want to see the final 3 to complete the series. WHat the hell are they thinking?!?!?

[EVILFACE]

What I've heard it is not going to be a remake.

On a sidenote, can you imagine a F13 movie with the gore that TCM: The Beginning got away with???

[Bannister]

Ughhhh.... I HATE remakes! This is bad because it won't officially be part of the series. I want to see the final 3 to complete the series. WHat the hell are they thinking?!?!?
They are thinking about $$$$$$$. These movies have relatively cheap budgets and usually make that back in the first weekend.

[dekadentdave]

No kidding Bannister but that's not the point. Why remake the series when they haven't even concluded it yet? They will still make money off of those. I say, do the final 3 THEN remake it. They are also remaking Halloween. WHY?!?!?!?!? What is the point? When you have iconic horror characters like Michael and Jason why do you need to "update" them? If Jason isn't wearing the hockey mask or Michael isn't wearing the original mask then they are NOT those characters. Just keep making sequels. That's part of the fun, seeing how many ridiculous ways they can keep bringing back those characters for more carnage is part of the fun.

[Bannister]

No kidding Bannister but that's not the point. Why remake the series when they haven't even concluded it yet? They will still make money off of those. I say, do the final 3 THEN remake it. They are also remaking Halloween. WHY?!?!?!?!? What is the point? When you have iconic horror characters like Michael and Jason why do you need to "update" them? If Jason isn't wearing the hockey mask or Michael isn't wearing the original mask then they are NOT those characters. Just keep making sequels. That's part of the fun, seeing how many ridiculous ways they can keep bringing back those characters for more carnage is part of the fun.
They probably think they will make more money off the remakes would be my guess. Of course I am not a studio exec., so what the hell do i know anyway.:D

[dekadentdave]

No Bannister, more like "What the hell do Studio Execs know anyway?"

Answer: Not a goddamn thing.

[Customikey]

I love remakes. It's like re-telling a great story, making it your own, and paying homage to the original. It's fun. Looking forward to when I'm 90 and someone remakes Star Wars. I mean besides George Lucas.

Anyway, I can't get too excited about any more Jason movies. I mean, I'll watch, I'll enjoy, but I'm not salivating. It's not like these films have some kind of incredible story arc when put together. If Jason finds love, THAT would be interesting and different.

[IrishJedi]

I personally don't have a problem with them doing a F13 remake/reimagining. First off, it's not like the original series is going away and is being wiped from existence. We'll still have them. Secondly, as far as I'm concerned we already have a conclusion to the original series. It was called "Jason Goes To Hell" (yes, a horrible film). The next 2 ("Jason X" and "Freddy vs Jason") exist outside the canon and timeline of the original series, which pretty much stopped being good after Part 6 anyway. Besides, how many "Final" F13 films do we need anyway?

Last, but not least, is who will be involved with the remake. I was dead-set against the TCM remake in 2003, but was pleasantly surprised with the result (and the recent prequel as well). I say bring it on.

I also trust Rob Zombie with the HALLOWEEN remake as well. He's a huge fan (the original film is what got him into horror) and he's gonna pay homage to the original movie. It will be Michael Myers, will take place in 1978, he'll have the classic Shape mask, and the film will include the original themes. In fact, I dare think it will be more like the original than all of the sequels since Part II. It's not like he's pulling a Tim Burton (POTA, Wonka) and peeing all over the classic.

Bring 'em on!

Edited to add: Sean S. Cunningham is also prepping a new F13 TV series that will be set at Crystal Lake.

[Shai]

The great thing about the Friday the 13th remake is that I've read that they gonna do it with the original Mongoloid Freak,very strong and evil but not indestructible and all-powerful like the Zombie Jason.

[IrishJedi]

The great thing about the Friday the 13th remake is that I've read that they gonna do it with the original Mongoloid Freak,very strong and evil but not indestructible and all-powerful like the Zombie Jason.
Yep. I like that, too. To this day I still think the Jason in Part 2 is the scariest and freakiest of all (with Part 3 a close second). Zombie/WWF Wrestler Jason isn't nearly as effective, imho. Especially when he gets crazy teleportation-like abilities (Part 8) and can switch bodies (JGTH).

In fact, this F13 remake would be going back to the series' roots and would be more true to the originals than most of the sequels (especially all of them from Part 7 on).

[Buttmunch]

Yep. I like that, too. To this day I still think the Jason in Part 2 is the scariest and freakiest of all (with Part 3 a close second). Zombie/WWF Wrestler Jason isn't nearly as effective, imho. Especially when he gets crazy teleportation-like abilities (Part 8) and can switch bodies (JGTH).

In fact, this F13 remake would be going back to the series' roots and would be more true to the originals than most of the sequels (especially all of them from Part 7 on).

You mean WWE. WWF doesn't exist any more :D While I prefer the zombie Jason, the original 3 or 4 films were probably the best. The TV series sounds interesting.

[EVILFACE]

Human Jason > Zombie Jason

Bring back the pillow case.

[IrishJedi]

Human Jason > Zombie Jason

Bring back the pillow case.

Absolutely. Elephant Man Jason is the best.

[MicroJow]

No Bannister, more like "What the hell do Studio Execs know anyway?"

Answer: Not a goddamn thing.

Hear hear. And that's coming from a guy who works at a production company. You've probably seen some of our movies. And you know what guided them to the screen? Money. Pure and simple. If there's a buck to be made off of something, you can bet a producer is gonna be allllll over it. I can't think of a single movie we've made that was done for artistic purposes or with the intention of entertaining an audience in mind. It was all done because the people who run the company made big bucks off of 'em.

And guess what? If Friday The 13th Part 13 makes a GAGILLION dollars? Part 14 will follow. They never said they wanted to make 13 movies. It's all about the financial return.

- J!

[dekadentdave]

If they had even half a brain they would market part Thirteen as the penultimate final Friday and then reboot the franchise as a "re-imagined" beginning. That way, marketing could have a field day promoting part thirteen as Jason's worst day and he finally meets his ultimate demise. The promotion would gurantee bigger returns and they could package all 13 parts in one enormous box set for even bigger DVD sales. It's all about the number. Thirteen may be unlucky for horny teens and Jason but it's a winning number for the studios. And you don't even need a college degree to figure that one out.

[DarkArtist81]

Well Dave, the series... even with the number 13 was never supposed to be 13 films to make it "funny that they had that many films". Yeah, it would make for a nifty box set... but seriously what else could they do? Jason Goes to Hell ended the series, not in a good way... but ended. Jason X was stupid, crap crap CRAP! And that film should never EVER have been made.

So I am all for a Mongoloid backwoods Jason, back to the roots Remake. Remakes aren't all bad as long as the filmmaker respects the material and holds it in high esteem. As Irish said, Rob Zombie has that kind of love for Halloween... and I think that the film will deliver and people will respect the character of Myers again. And FEAR him.

Jason needs that kind of love as well, he needs to be put back into the public consciousness as an object of pure terror. Our 80's horror icons are great for what they are, but time has eroded their fear factor. Bad sequels and bad directors have further sullied their good names. So I am all for a remake... or better yet... a reimagining. :D

Jason can be very scary if handled right, and I hope that Platinum Dunes doesn't F it up.

[dekadentdave]

I hear what you are saying Josh. Here's what I had been thinking, have a cult of Jason-worshippers "resurrect" him from Crystal Lake in part XI and the story arc would run through the final three films ending with Voorhees' expulsion of his soul in the last film. By bringing in more occult elements it could be scarier in the spirit of the first two films and less comic-book with lots of carnage. I think it would be a good way to bring "closure" to the series and then "re-imagine" the original origin story after it in the way you have described.

[EVILFACE]

Jason and Freddy worshippers was one of the possible plot elements in the many scripts for Jason vs Freddy.

Glad it wasn't used.

And here is a tip: movies, all movies are made for $$$$$$$

[dekadentdave]

No kidding, Evilface? Gee, I thought they were making avant garde artistic films with this series. :lol Point is, I grew up with this ridiculous series of films and even though I do not consider myself to be a fan in any way, I at least want to see them reach part thirteen because I think everyone pretty much always assumed that it would end there and why not? They have done 10 films, made a lot of money, built a cult following, and they have only 3 more to go which only means more money in the bank. Besides, it would give SS more Jason's to make including Roy and NY Jason. Jason Freaks would rejoice.

[dekadentdave]

Came across this interesting article discussing Hollywood's infatuation with "reboots" and they make specific mention of Rob Zombie's Halloween reboot and a Friday the 13th remake with the child origin story slated for next year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15460709/site/newsweek/

[King Darkness]

Jason needs that kind of love as well, he needs to be put back into the public consciousness as an object of pure terror. Our 80's horror icons are great for what they are, but time has eroded their fear factor. Bad sequels and bad directors have further sullied their good names. So I am all for a remake... or better yet... a reimagining. :D



Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm 100% behind a remake/reimaging of Jason. The TCM proves that a remake can work if done right!

[DarkArtist81]

Yeah, I just don't know where you are getting the 13 films assumption.... No one I've ever met has said that they expected that many films. It just never even popped in my head.

Kinda like saying there should have been 5 Fifth Element movies.....Just because there is a number in the title does not mean that the series should end at that specific digit.

Besides, the cult aspect was tried in a Jason book and was silly/retarded. There is no way you could stretch the story for another 2-3 films and make it watcheable. It would be the final nail in the coffin for the series. I'd much rather just have a reboot. :cool:

[IrishJedi]

No cult aspect, please. HALLOWEEN 6 is reason enough to avoid that concept altogether. :monkey4

[dekadentdave]

Did they do something like that in part 6? I've only seen the first film and H20.

[creature4000]

I think we need to remember what makes Jason who he is????

A Near- Unstopable Killing machine!! With out that (comic book feel-y) Jason just isn't Jason!!

I don't think re-inventing Jason is the way to go.. just continue it with a new story with no worshipers.. remember that what made the Halloween series dumb!!

Jason X and FvJ Rocked!!!! :chew

Jason goes to Hell and Jason takes Manhatten=Boooo!!! :monkey2

[William Shatners Toupee]

I love the F13 films and think a good re-boot is the way to go. I don't want a just a generic splatterfest. I want a good story behind it giving these movies some weight they never had but always deserved. F13 can be so much more beyond the same script they've recycled for so many movies. And I may be biased here, but I think an origin has been long overdue.

[DarkArtist81]

No cult aspect, please. HALLOWEEN 6 is reason enough to avoid that concept altogether. :monkey4

Exactly! That film was crap....like all the Halloween flicks post H2....

Same goes for any Jason film post F13 part 7. And New Blood (Part 7) only had a decent atmosphere and awesome makeup. All the rest of the series was complete and utter crapola. FVJ was decent, but still nothing like classic Jason. Jason X was garbage.

And I agree with Toupee, an origin is far overdue....

[dekadentdave]

Just finished watching Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X. Holy crap those two films SUCKED royally hard. I cannot believe these films even got made. Granted the Friday the 13th series has never exactly been high on plot but at least the first 8 had some kind of story. Jason Takes Manhattan was over the top but I enjoyed the hell out of Jason's NY rampage. It was fun in a ridiculous way. As for Jason Goes to Hell, how could even Sean S. Cunningham produce that piece of crap? It makes absolutely no sense from beginning to end. Why was Erin Gray in that film at all? Funny, I just met her at Comic Con a few months ago and I had no idea she was in this film. Was she so desperate for a paycheck that she had to defile her career? I'd have more respect for her if she was forced to become a prostitute. Even Stephen Williams from X-Files participated in this unforgiveable atrocity. That ending was so pathetically awful. I wanted to see Jason IN Hell, literally. In fact, all these years I always just assumed that's what happened that we see Jason damned to hell and since he is the ebodiment of evil that he finally joins the minions of evil in the underworld. I kept waiting for the payoff and all we get in the last shot is a hint of the obvious Freddy Vs. Jason film that eventually would come to pass. That was just stupid. And somebody explain to me how this Jason-creature crawls inside of Erin Gray's corpse womb and Jason is reborn looking like he did at the beginning of the film dressed in the same hockey mask and clothes? Does that make any sense at all? Who wrote this stupid crap? They deserve to be strung up by their testacles and whipped to death. Jason X was almost as bad but I went with it to try to have some fun with the concept but again, the last shot of the film made it clear that both of the New Line produced Jason films are clearly making fun of the other films in the Friday series unapologetically. At least they had half-way decent stories. We had the Tommy Jarvis arc from Final Chapter, New Beginning and Jason Lives to Tina and her telekinetic showdown in The New Blood. Now I understand what Josh and the others are saying about a more serious Friday the 13th film and not continuing the series for another 3 chapters. If New Line is producing crap like this no way in hell. Still, I have this lifelong desire to see them reach a conclusion of some kind at part 13 but only if the last 3 are similar in style and tone as the suspensful first two films in the series.

[denger4000]

i'm surprised that no one pointed out that a Friday the 13th remake would have Pam as the killer.....

From what I hear this isn't a "remake", or is not a remake as we know them. They are taking the concept of Jason but doing their own thing with it. Hmmmm, So I guess the TCM wasn't really a remake either, not in the original sense of what a Remake is at least.

[dekadentdave]

That's why they call them "re-imaginings."