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Maglor
01-07-2013, 08:12 PM
Lets not get too excited, its the prototype, it could yet go bad. Also, how bizarre to see you in here Mags! :lol

:lol




Um... I think Jack Sparrow and Keaton Bats are the shining examples of what PERS should look like. That's just me, though.

Yeah, those a good too. But surely these are by far the smallest. :huh

govanrangersman
01-08-2013, 02:20 PM
Thanks for low down. I appreciate it man.:)

I've been on eBay hunting for the Non-battle damaged T-800 items that aren't included in the BD version.

Bought the mini gun and bag, shotgun and the hands for them, plus sunglasses. Looking out for a non-BD head sculpt next. Trying to get them earlier before the figure is anywhere near ready, just in case others have the same idea.

Sure some of the poses with mini gun etc will perhaps not be completely movie accurate, but this is a damn fine figure and I need all the accessories to add to the awesomeness.

Can't wait.

hrambo001
01-09-2013, 05:45 AM
I was on the fence with this guy but there are too many other things coming up for pre-order right now.

I might try to pick up the T-1000 piece seperately on evil bay though.

pred439
01-12-2013, 12:24 AM
This has got to be my most anticipated figure in like 5 years or so... Just stunning, and I know they'll improve it more before release.

Well as we know Hot Toys never produces perfect figures. And most likely they never will.

Frank
01-12-2013, 05:32 AM
I really had to mull over this or the Enterbay battle damaged t-800.
The sculpt of Enterbays is way better. But I would expect that for the 1/4 scale.

The damaged endo arm on Enterbays is all over the place though.

So pound for pound this is way better value in my opinion. That liquid form t-1000 is a must. Exclusive from sideshow per ordered.

Yeah, I see the comparison to 1/4 as a little unfair. We don't sit here and compare 1/6 to six inch figures either. 1/4 is bigger and more striking but call me set in my ways; I'm kind of used to statues in that scale.


This is :goodpost:

It really is the coolest accessory/stand/diorama they've done yet. Loving it!

tommyh84
01-12-2013, 07:09 AM
I really Really REALLY dont think there's that much between EB's BD sculpt and the DX13 Fully BD sculpt. Far too many post's saying how EB's is better like there's a massive difference between the two.... there isn't :lecture

P.
01-12-2013, 07:55 AM
Far too many post's saying how EB's is better like there's a massive difference between the two.... there isn't :lecturethere is.
and it is "massive".

Voorhees27
01-12-2013, 08:49 AM
I really Really REALLY dont think there's that much between EB's BD sculpt and the DX13 Fully BD sculpt. Far too many post's saying how EB's is better like there's a massive difference between the two.... there isn't :lecture

If we're comparing EB's production sculpt to HT's prototype sculpt then yes, EB's is MILES better. We'd have to wait and see the final product (HT's) before a legitimate comparison. Though I will say, after receiving my EB BD Arnold, it'd be DAMN hard for HT's to outdo it.

pred439
01-12-2013, 09:59 AM
there is.
and it is "massive".

I don't think there is a big difference.

MaulFan
01-12-2013, 10:07 AM
I really Really REALLY dont think there's that much between EB's BD sculpt and the DX13 Fully BD sculpt. Far too many post's saying how EB's is better like there's a massive difference between the two.... there isn't :lecture

If you are very familiar with film stills and images of the damage and really scrutinize pictures of each figure, there is dramatic difference and most people are just comparing the damage, not the clean side. EB stayed as close to the film look as possible while taking small artistic license to make it look more like it was just Arnie's face torn away instead of makeup on top of his face and they did a great job of minimizing their departure from what you see on screen. Hot Toys pretty much did whatever they feel like, they made the depth of muscle tissue very deep, they left more skin than they should have, some of the Endo details are off.

Both figures look great and at quick glance it'd be hard to say one is really better than the other and even with scrutiny who is to say what is better, but if your goal is to have the piece be as true to the movie as it can be, EB is as close as you'll get and HT is quite far from it.

pred439
01-12-2013, 10:16 AM
If you are very familiar with film stills and images of the damage and really scrutinize pictures of each figure, there is dramatic difference and most people are just comparing the damage, not the clean side. EB stayed as close to the film look as possible while taking small artistic license to make it look more like it was just Arnie's face torn away instead of makeup on top of his face and they did a great job of minimizing their departure from what you see on screen. Hot Toys pretty much did whatever they feel like, they made the depth of muscle tissue very deep, they left more skin than they should have, some of the Endo details are off.

Both figures look great and at quick glance it'd be hard to say one is really better than the other and even with scrutiny who is to say what is better, but if your goal is to have the piece be as true to the movie as it can be, EB is as close as you'll get and HT is quite far from it.

Well I'm still going to buy the hot toys version

Voorhees27
01-12-2013, 10:18 AM
LOL good for you.

Mr. EcKo
01-12-2013, 10:22 AM
Look at it like this .

EB has already released theirs
HT still has time to refine , tweak theirs
So the end result , HT will win just because they will want to win over their competitor . :yess:

You don't think Hot Toys has a 1/4 Enterbay Ahhhhnuld in their HQ studying it so they can make theirs better :cuckoo:

pred439
01-12-2013, 10:29 AM
I hope this figure comes soon.

S. Griffin
01-12-2013, 10:32 AM
It's due in June.

Rzeznikk
01-12-2013, 10:36 AM
I don't think there is a big difference.


Well I'm still going to buy the hot toys version


I hope this figure comes soon.

http://cdn.hsmemes.com/2012/4/4/c7b89757bc0755013e81dede9df9ec4d.jpg

Rzeznikk
01-12-2013, 10:37 AM
It's due in June.

Id put money on this one being the DX07 of this year. Was originally due in June, delayed till October. This guy will hit a delay or two Im sure.

Voorhees27
01-12-2013, 10:39 AM
http://cdn.hsmemes.com/2012/4/4/c7b89757bc0755013e81dede9df9ec4d.jpg

:lol


Id put money on this one being the DX07 of this year. Was originally due in June, delayed till October. This guy will hit a delay or two Im sure.

Yeah this one will take til October at the earliest imo.

MaulFan
01-12-2013, 10:39 AM
You don't think Hot Toys has a 1/4 Enterbay Ahhhhnuld in their HQ studying it so they can make theirs better :cuckoo:

Nope, the movie's been around for 20 years, if they cared, why not just do it right from day 1. Much of what the HT sculpt is off for comes down to a choice more than skill or effort. They chose to make te muscle layer thicker, they chose to leave more flesh than was torn away, there's no shortage of reference out there, hell, even NECA got it right and could have been used for reference. If HT makes the dramatic changes people are calling for, I'll be surprised and it'll only be because they can't atand hearing people like EB more, same reason we got DX10 after all the EB praise for their first T-800, HT has a huge ego and doesn't react we'll to it being bruised.

Voorhees27
01-12-2013, 10:41 AM
Nope, the movie's been around for 20 years, if they cared, why not just do it right from day 1. Much of what the HT sculpt is off for comes down to a choice more than skill or effort. They chose to make te muscle layer thicker, they chose to leave more flesh than was torn away, there's no shortage of reference out there, hell, even NECA got it right and could have been used for reference. If HT makes the dramatic changes people are calling for, I'll be surprised and it'll only be because they can't atand hearing people like EB more, same reason we got DX10 after all the EB praise for their first T-800, HT has a huge ego and doesn't react we'll to it being bruised.

In HT's fanboys ear and out the other.

pred439
01-12-2013, 10:50 AM
Id put money on this one being the DX07 of this year. Was originally due in June, delayed till October. This guy will hit a delay or two Im sure.

I certainly hope not but your probably right.

Kamandi
01-12-2013, 11:01 AM
A DX set like this with all these parts? It wouldn't even feel like we had a chance to anticipate it's arrival unless it's delayed one or two times. If it arrived on time I'd have to b-tch about it.

pred439
01-12-2013, 11:19 AM
A DX set like this with all these parts? It wouldn't even feel like we had a chance to anticipate it's arrival unless it's delayed one or two times. If it arrived on time I'd have to b-tch about it.

:lol:lol:lol:lol

a-dev
01-12-2013, 12:02 PM
Nope, the movie's been around for 20 years, if they cared, why not just do it right from day 1. Much of what the HT sculpt is off for comes down to a choice more than skill or effort. They chose to make te muscle layer thicker, they chose to leave more flesh than was torn away, there's no shortage of reference out there, hell, even NECA got it right and could have been used for reference. If HT makes the dramatic changes people are calling for, I'll be surprised and it'll only be because they can't atand hearing people like EB more, same reason we got DX10 after all the EB praise for their first T-800, HT has a huge ego and doesn't react we'll to it being bruised.

:lecture:lecture:lecture

I mean I'll still be buying HT's one, multiples of it, but super-accuracy just isn't their specialty and its not lack of ability as you say, they just prefer to do their own thing inasmuch as they think they can get away with.

DanceGavinDance
01-12-2013, 12:27 PM
hmm, didn't seem to notice before, but what's with the tear in the jacket on the right sleeve near his forearm?

Arnold didn't have that in the film, did he?

Rzeznikk
01-12-2013, 12:36 PM
:lecture:lecture:lecture

I mean I'll still be buying HT's one, multiples of it, but super-accuracy just isn't their specialty and its not lack of ability as you say, they just prefer to do their own thing inasmuch as they think they can get away with.

:exactly:

Im the same, Ill be getting this guy as well (not multiples mind you), But HT doesnt look too closely to SUPER-Screen Accuracy. If they did, we would have a much more screen accurate Predator(s).:lecture

The Skull
01-12-2013, 02:07 PM
Hot toys make some of the most acturate stuff there is, Not on every release but most of the time. I will say the enterbay 1/4 scale stuff rocks, no denieing it, but it is 1/4 scale afterall so it should be more detailed but default. Hot toys stuff is amazing, its the biggest and best game in town, enterbay can match and sometimes even beat ht's 1/6 stuff with there 1/4 stuff, but is that a fair comparision:dunno

I like the competision they have with each other, it makes for better products for us the consumer, and they can go on doing it as its all good. However enterbay seems to be exceeding in 1/4 scale for now but we are yet to hold a 1/4 hot toys figure, so after that we will see whos really top dog.

tommyh84
01-12-2013, 03:14 PM
there is.
and it is "massive".

This is exactly the type of obnoxious comment I was talking about

S. Griffin
01-12-2013, 04:54 PM
Hot toys make some of the most acturate stuff there is, Not on every release but most of the time. I will say the enterbay 1/4 scale stuff rocks, no denieing it, but it is 1/4 scale afterall so it should be more detailed but default. Hot toys stuff is amazing, its the biggest and best game in town, enterbay can match and sometimes even beat ht's 1/6 stuff with there 1/4 stuff, but is that a fair comparision:dunno



The issue at hand isn't just that Enterbay's 1/4 scale BD T-800 is more detailed than Hot Toy's 1/6 scale BD T-800, but it is more accurately detailed as well. As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, much of the battle damage and exposed endo details on the Hot Toys figures aren't simply less defined due to size, they are generally inaccurate. Whether something is 50% smaller or larger shouldn't determine whether more or less metal is showing, the thickness of exposed muscle and sinew, and the shape and locations of wounds. Also, if Hot Toys could get the shape of that jaw piston correct on a 1/6 endoskeleton they made five years ago, they should be able to get it correct on DX-13.
Is it easier to make a 19" figure look more like Arnold Schwarzenegger than a 12" figure? Yes. The rest however, is pretty clearly a case of Hot Toys taking artistic liberties, yet again.

MaulFan
01-12-2013, 07:57 PM
Hot toys make some of the most acturate stuff there is, Not on every release but most of the time. I will say the enterbay 1/4 scale stuff rocks, no denieing it, but it is 1/4 scale afterall so it should be more detailed but default. Hot toys stuff is amazing, its the biggest and best game in town, enterbay can match and sometimes even beat ht's 1/6 stuff with there 1/4 stuff, but is that a fair comparision:dunno

I like the competision they have with each other, it makes for better products for us the consumer, and they can go on doing it as its all good. However enterbay seems to be exceeding in 1/4 scale for now but we are yet to hold a 1/4 hot toys figure, so after that we will see whos really top dog.

If people were praising Enterbay for details that could only be achieved at 1/4 scale, I'd agree that it's not fair to compare them, like if people were talking about Enterbay using real metals and woods for their weapons and HT using plastic, that's a poor argument, the larger size allows for accessories to be made of different materials for a number of reasons.

The comparisons that are being made between the Enterbay battle damage figure and this one are about the ability of each figure to represent the source material. When people talk about the details, they're not saying Enterbay is more detailed, though it is of course, they're saying that Enterbay got more of the details about the source material correct.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8328/8375395856_bf079ccab8_o.jpg

Just going with very basic details that are off, in the movie, the ripped flesh runs right along the bridge of his nose, on the HT sculpt, there's a lot more skin showing in that area than there should be. In the movie, there's just a thin later of muscle tissue showing between the skin and Endoskeleton both on his fast and his chest, look at the amount showing on HT, much more than the movie, especially at the chest. Enterbay nailed both of these details. Again, this isn't something to do with scale, NECA sculpted a BD T-800 portrait at 1/6 and got the same details right as Enterbay, Hot Toys sculpt is just off, either by choice, which you'd hope is the reason, or by a significant failure on the part of the sculptor to represent the source material.

Now, if people prefer the HT figure over the Enterbay one, that's cool with me, we have options and can make choices, I don't care what choice anyone makes, I only care about having an option for myself. However, if we're going to discuss and compare in a civil manner, I have my thoughts that I feel like discussing, and there's just no way anyone can say HT is closer to what Arnold looked like on screen than Enterbay.

The Skull
01-12-2013, 08:30 PM
I agree with what you guys are saying, I know the enterbay version has a more acturate head sculpt, no question there. However when both figures are compared as a whole, the dx13 is a more complete and well thought out release. I say that because you get two sculpts and two jackets and two arms, that way you can display it as he was at differant times in the movie.

Now with the enterbay figure its not well thought out, the wrong grenade launcher was provided and yeah you get the extra arm with no good way to use it except inacturatly. they put in cyberdine parts that don't fit with this release and expect you to just have there first clean version, what if you don't:dunno then your left with parts you can't use and the wrong grenade launcher and the endo arm looks wrong too:monkey4

DX13 has everything needed for two complete looks and the t-1000 to boot. I argee that the bd on one sculpt is off, the other is just about perfect though, will the bd on the exposed endo eye sculpt be corrected, IDK but its a good chance it will, they updated the dx10 and a bunch of others in the past.

Frank
01-12-2013, 09:33 PM
Look, if you want to maximize your terminator collectible experience, then you're going to have to get the 1/4 stuff. Odds are they'll be worth alot more as collectibles as less people go for them.

I guess we're all so used to seeing 1/6 as the end all be all representation that we try to knockdown the competition. There's no need. You can get into EB vs HT when HT produces their own 1/4 BD T-800. Doesn't even matter if the smaller sculpt was more accurate. Considering how much bigger and in your face the 1/4 is, the 1/6 Arnie would have to serve drinks to keep the pace. I myself am more a fan of the 1/6 stuff for space and economic reasons, so I'm sticking with it. It fills a niche what can I say?

The Skull
01-12-2013, 09:40 PM
Look, if you want to maximize your terminator collectible experience, then you're going to have to get the 1/4 stuff. Odds are they'll be worth alot more as collectibles as less people go for them.

I guess we're all so used to seeing 1/6 as the end all be all representation that we try to knockdown the competition. There's no need. You can get into EB vs HT when HT produces their own 1/4 BD T-800. Doesn't even matter if the smaller sculpt was more accurate. Considering how much bigger and in your face the 1/4 is, the 1/6 Arnie would have to serve drinks to keep the pace. I myself am more a fan of the 1/6 stuff for space and economic reasons, so I'm sticking with it. It fills a niche what can I say?

Not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I'm not trying to knockdown the competition, I even stated I like the rivalry with EB vs HT two posts ago. I also own the enterbay 1/4 t-800 clean version, so I'm not some 1/4 scale hater. The enterbay figure is great looking, just not well executed, dx13 is a better executed figure is all i'm saying.

a-dev
01-12-2013, 10:23 PM
Not sure if this is directed at me or not, but I'm not trying to knockdown the competition, I even stated I like the rivalry with EB vs HT two posts ago. I also own the enterbay 1/4 t-800 clean version, so I'm not some 1/4 scale hater. The enterbay figure is great looking, just not well executed, dx13 is a better executed figure is all i'm saying.

I agree with your points about the package comparitively speaking - the HT is better in that regard, but dude, as much as you were impressed with EBs first T-800 after getting it recently the new one will make your head explode.....K maybe thats not a good thing...it'll give you a stonking erec.....no, thats wierd.....look it'll blow you away. Do buy it! Please! And buy the HT one for the semi-BD look.

The Skull
01-12-2013, 10:34 PM
I agree with your points about the package comparitively speaking the HT is better in that regard, but dude, as much as you were impressed with EBs first T-800 after getting it recently the new one will make your head explode.....K maybe thats not a good thing...it'll give you a stonking erec.....no, thats wierd.....look it'll blow you away. Do buy it! Please! And buy the HT one for the semi-BD look.

:lolI know your telling the truth:1-1: and I am planing on getting it when it hits us retailers. I was just calling it as I see it, I never said it was anything but great, the sculpt is as good as it gets, just poorly placed accessoires and such. People are thinking I'm poo pooing it cause I pointed out a few issues and I'm not. I'm also not gunna crap on the dx13 ether cause thats a impressive figure too.

I like both companys work, I do favor hot toys in general though if I'm honest, not that they won this fanboy made fight cause they did'nt, enterbay's piece is epicly good.

BTW did you see the new pic in the general section of the 1/6 t-800 endo under hot toys 2013 projects:yess:

a-dev
01-12-2013, 11:05 PM
:lolI know your telling the truth:1-1: and I am planing on getting it when it hits us retailers. I was just calling it as I see it, I never said it was anything but great, the sculpt is as good as it gets, just poorly placed accessoires and such. People are thinking I'm poo pooing it cause I pointed out a few issues and I'm not. I'm also not gunna crap on the dx13 ether cause thats a impressive figure too.

I like both companys work, I do favor hot toys in general though if I'm honest, not that they won this fanboy made fight cause they did'nt, enterbay's piece is epicly good.

BTW did you see the new pic in the general section of the 1/6 t-800 endo under hot toys 2013 projects:yess:

You're absolutely right. The package here lacks only the teargas launcher, a control box for the chains in the steel mill, maybe something else that isn't springing to my semi-drunk mind right now. It has literally everything else you could want. Whereas with the Enterbay figure you get...a useless human forearm, and accessories for a different figure. :slap

I'm more bugged by that though because it really suggests to me that Enterbay will not be doing a seperate Cyberdyne T-800 with a new clean sculpt by Scuderia - which I now would dearly love.

As for HT here - I don't see them changing their approach to this figure. I think they'll keep their artistic license as regards the BD stuff. Thats their thing. What they've done is amazing looking...just its not what I think most would prefer if they had been given a say beforehand. One doesn't prefer innaccuracy - at best you just ''don't mind it''.

pred439
01-12-2013, 11:27 PM
hmm, didn't seem to notice before, but what's with the tear in the jacket on the right sleeve near his forearm?

Arnold didn't have that in the film, did he?

I think he did.

P.
01-13-2013, 04:54 AM
hmm, didn't seem to notice before, but what's with the tear in the jacket on the right sleeve near his forearm?

Arnold didn't have that in the film, did he?not sure if got it right.
but if it is about the elbow zone, he had it even in the arm flesh cut scene.
he was thrown though the glass in the gallery shop, remember.


This is exactly the type of obnoxious comment I was talking aboutexactly the type of things i don't care.
HT did a terrible job in movie accuracy with this head while EB made almost everything like the makeup, including the awful fake eye.

pred439
01-13-2013, 03:36 PM
well both companies are good in there own ways.

snoop101
01-13-2013, 03:41 PM
not sure if got it right.
but if it is about the elbow zone, he had it even in the arm flesh cut scene.
he was thrown though the glass in the gallery shop, remember.

exactly the type of things i don't care.
HT did a terrible job in movie accuracy with this head while EB made almost everything like the makeup, including the awful fake eye.

You should make a list of the mistakes/inaccuracies in T1 and T2. Have it be atleast 20 pages long.

pred439
01-13-2013, 03:46 PM
You should make a list of the mistakes/inaccuracies in T1 and T2. Have it be atleast 20 pages long.

They're not that bad.

P.
01-13-2013, 05:09 PM
well both companies are good in there own ways.but i surely wish HT to be good in all ways as i collect them and not 1/4 ))
i still believe that the final BD sculpt will be corrected. it's not based on anything except hope.

pred439
01-13-2013, 05:18 PM
but i surely wish HT to be good in all ways as i collect them and not 1/4 ))
i still believe that the final BD sculpt will be corrected. it's not based on anything except hope.

Well pray. :pray:

a-dev
01-13-2013, 05:21 PM
but i surely wish HT to be good in all ways as i collect them and not 1/4 ))


If you were ever to make exception, let it be the BD T2 from Enterbay. "Trust me"

DEATHASYLUM
01-13-2013, 05:32 PM
but i surely wish HT to be good in all ways as i collect them and not 1/4 ))
i still believe that the final BD sculpt will be corrected. it's not based on anything except hope.

Well, with the overhaul that HT did on the DX10 hs, there is a chance that some adjustments could be made. Let's just wait and see what happens in 7 months. :wink1:

pred439
01-13-2013, 09:42 PM
Well, with the overhaul that HT did on the DX10 hs, there is a chance that some adjustments could be made. Let's just wait and see what happens in 7 months. :wink1:

Its going to be a long 7 months and with all the marvel characters coming out it will probably be delayed.

P.
01-13-2013, 10:00 PM
If you were ever to make exception, let it be the BD T2 from Enterbay. "Trust me"1/4 look like kid toys. too big already. still not the 1/2 endoskeleton who looks like midget, but.
i actually don't like 1/6 as well, but nobody gives that detalisation in a lower scale. still, kotobukiya has best robocop series and konami - best alien collection.
also their (EB's) body sculptor has never seen T2. so their BD T-800 looks like its character only from the neck up.

pred439
01-13-2013, 10:25 PM
1/4 look like kid toys. too big already. still not the 1/2 endoskeleton who looks like midget, but.
i actually don't like 1/6 as well, but nobody gives that detalisation in a lower scale. still, kotobukiya has best robocop series and konami - best alien collection.
also their (EB's) body sculptor has never seen T2. so their BD T-800 looks like its character only from the neck up.

1/6 is my favorite.

Stanlore
01-14-2013, 03:43 AM
The T-1000 on this set is really cool looking having seen it in person.

To be fair, 1/6 is more impressive in general. Its one of the reason we all enjoy this hobby. The smaller scale is harder to make. Jam packing all these intricate details, clothes, sculpt, paint, into one ultimate figure is hard to do.

However, that said, the EB 1/4 still looks way better. I'm a pretty big T2 fan, although nothing compared to alot of the fellow freaks. For now, for 1/6 collectors, the DX13 is probably the best in the market and best option.

But, if you are a T2 collector, its not even a question, get the EB. Its not even fair to compare cause it blows this into dust.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-14-2013, 04:29 AM
To be fair, 1/6 is more impressive in general. Its one of the reason we all enjoy this hobby. The smaller scale is harder to make. Jam packing all these intricate details, clothes, sculpt, paint, into one ultimate figure is hard to do.
Agreed, & a very fair statement.

I think folks tend to overlook that fact, because it's truly an art to scale those amazing details down like they do. Appreciation where it's due etc.. :)

a-dev
01-14-2013, 05:39 AM
1/4 look like kid toys. too big already. still not the 1/2 endoskeleton who looks like midget, but.
i actually don't like 1/6 as well, but nobody gives that detalisation in a lower scale. still, kotobukiya has best robocop series and konami - best alien collection.
also their (EB's) body sculptor has never seen T2. so their BD T-800 looks like its character only from the neck up.

Wow, couldn't disagree more on the parts I've put in bold :lol I think you're very mistaken here but so be it.

P.
01-14-2013, 05:52 AM
I think you're very mistaken here but so be it.i think you're mistaken and it is proved by the actual movie, but who cares? me? you? no one :D

a-dev
01-14-2013, 06:09 AM
i think you're mistaken and it is proved by the actual movie, but who cares? me? you? no one :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKxuAaQBnQU

:lol

P.
01-14-2013, 07:00 AM
you know i never watch those youtubes on boards because they get to the point too long, right? ;)

DiFabio
01-14-2013, 09:11 AM
That one was actually clear and concise in way over a minute.


I will agree though, 1/4 does FEEL like a cheap, clunky baby toy. The body anyway.

No way does the actual product LOOK that way though. The body proportions are just as good as any of the Hot Toys versions, maybe better.

a-dev
01-14-2013, 09:18 AM
That one was actually clear and concise in way over a minute.


I will agree though, 1/4 does FEEL like a cheap, clunky baby toy. The body anyway.

No way does the actual product LOOK that way though. The body proportions are just as good as any of the Hot Toys versions, maybe better.

The proportions are miles better than MMS117 certainly. HT did improve theirs with DX10 though.

The jacket on the EB BD - I have never seen a better fitting T2 jacket, its superb right out of the box.

DiFabio
01-14-2013, 09:19 AM
Yup, P. is mistaken about a great many things.

The Skull
01-14-2013, 09:33 AM
That one was actually clear and concise in way over a minute.


I will agree though, 1/4 does FEEL like a cheap, clunky baby toy. The body anyway.

No way does the actual product LOOK that way though. The body proportions are just as good as any of the Hot Toys versions, maybe better.

No it does not feel like a baby toy, come on now thats just silly, there really impressive heavy high end collectibles, its just the size makes it clusmy to handle, they look great on display you just don't want to pick them up and repose them often like you would 1/6. I picked up the clean enterbay 1/4 figure a month or so ago and it is all I hoped for and more, I resisted 1/4 stuff for a long time do to cost and size but it is an amazing piece.

That said I still prefer 1/6, you really don't get much more in the way of detail in 1/4, sure you get better materials like real wood and metal and loadible clips for guns which is crazy cool(not that I will be actually doing that) but after that theres not much extra there, the clothes hang alittle better but nothing to write home about. There no leap in sculpting, articulation, or features. Infact compare the dx10 to the clean enterbay and the dx has more features like pers, lightup base, removable chip from the head, all at a smaller scale. They are in the end large 1/6 figures, with the only benifit being there more impressive on display, the down side is there also more expensive, space hogging, awkward to handle, ex*****ive to ship, and have next to nothing availible for kitbashing, accessoires or dioramas.

So I will only get a few from my most favorate scenes as a centerpiece for the collection, not a collecton of 1/4 scale stuff. 1/6 is where its at for me:)

DiFabio
01-14-2013, 09:44 AM
Your opinion, you're entitled to it. But you're probably right, a baby toy would be the wrong way to describe 1/4, baby toys are a lot sturdier and well made.


1/4 feels like cheap crap. Big, clunky, top heavy, rubber ****ers. Rubbery torsos, breakable shoulders, fear of breakage.

True, 1/6 can can suffer from the last two problems, and yes, true type in make and design are cheap, but 1/4 is still a different animal even with it's wood and metal.

I hate the way the head sits on my T-800. The hard plastic head on a crappy thin rubber stub. The body over all just feels like a mixed medium mess of damage just waiting to happen. I pose and handle my 1/6 figures often, my 1/4? I don't really **** with them. I stand it up on it's cheap base and admire it from afar.



They look great on the outside, museum quality, but when you pick up the bigguns, they feel like crap.

The Skull
01-14-2013, 09:54 AM
I think were really on the same page Difabio, what you said really falls inline with what im getting at to, how there cool as display pieces but not fun to handle. I'm not sure how durible they are as like you said I look at it on display and don't mess around with it so maybe they are fradgile idk.

a-dev
01-14-2013, 09:56 AM
You can't help but worry about breaking them, thats true. The expense of them, the uncertainty about replacement parts...if theres any certainty its more likely that you won't be able to get any. So yeah, you really don't dare handle them as much as a 1/6th.

KORNdog
01-14-2013, 09:58 AM
The entebay bodies are robust as hell. More awkward to pose, due to their size, but they handle the "playing" easy.

DEATHASYLUM
01-14-2013, 10:01 AM
You can't help but worry about breaking them, thats true. The expense of them, the uncertainty about replacement parts...if theres any certainty its more likely that you won't be able to get any. So yeah, you really don't dare handle them as much as a 1/6th.

The only time I touch one is to dust, or correct the position of the shoulder on mine.

a-dev
01-14-2013, 10:07 AM
The only time I touch one is to dust, or correct the position of the shoulder on mine. The weapons are really heavy.

Oh on that topic - I noticed last night that although the figure could hold the m79 up at waist height and it stayed there the weight of the launcher did make the elbow swivel side to side if didn't hold the figure upright. So far so good on the shoulder though.

Anyway that DX13.......

DEATHASYLUM
01-14-2013, 10:11 AM
Oh on that topic - I noticed last night that although the figure could hold the m79 up at waist height and it stayed there the weight of the launcher did make the elbow swivel side to side if didn't hold the figure upright. So far so good on the shoulder though.

Anyway that DX13.......

It's the dam weight of the weapons!!! Too much for the cheap joints to handle. Pose with care. :wink1:

RIDDICK
01-14-2013, 11:27 AM
you know i never watch those youtubes on boards because they get to the point too long, right? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo


:monkey3

pred439
01-14-2013, 03:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo


:monkey3

Hahahahahaha

:lol:lol:lol

Blade3327
01-14-2013, 05:48 PM
I think were really on the same page Difabio, what you said really falls inline with what im getting at to, how there cool as display pieces but not fun to handle. I'm not sure how durible they are as like you said I look at it on display and don't mess around with it so maybe they are fradgile idk.


You can't help but worry about breaking them, thats true. The expense of them, the uncertainty about replacement parts...if theres any certainty its more likely that you won't be able to get any. So yeah, you really don't dare handle them as much as a 1/6th.

Agreed, though I will say the new 1/4 BD T-800 feels less fragile than the Rambo. My only fragility concern is with the faux leather clothing which I think is more likely to tear due to stretching than the real thing.




The entebay bodies are robust as hell. More awkward to pose, due to their size, but they handle the "playing" easy.

Uh... no. No, they don't.

DEATHASYLUM
01-14-2013, 06:33 PM
Agreed, though I will say the new 1/4 BD T-800 feels less fragile than the Rambo. My only fragility concern is with the faux leather clothing which I think is more likely to tear due to stretching than the real thing.





Uh... no. No, they don't.

Hey Blade, how are the shoulder joints on your new T-800 & do they seem improved, or the same?

Blade3327
01-14-2013, 06:49 PM
Hey Blade, how are the shoulder joints on your new T-800 & do they seem improved, or the same?

From what I can tell, they're solid. I haven't taken off the clothes so I don't know what they look like underneath, but as far as security goes, they're tight but very workable. No complaints.

Yet. :)

The Skull
01-14-2013, 06:59 PM
From what I can tell, they're solid. I haven't taken off the clothes so I don't know what they look like underneath, but as far as security goes, they're tight but very workable. No complaints.

Yet. :)

Hey Blade, maybe you could reconcider your retirement from youtube videos and make a review of the enterbay figure. I'm sure alot of people would enjoy that, myself included:stick

Blade3327
01-14-2013, 07:10 PM
I just don't have that kind of time. The review-making process involves an extended picture session at a specific time of day when natural light is at its best for my photo location, plus time spend editing, exporting, and uploading. If I have three or four hours to spend on something nowadays, it needs to be something more productive. Sorry. :(

The Skull
01-14-2013, 07:16 PM
I just don't have that kind of time. The review-making process involves an extended picture session at a specific time of day when natural light is at its best for my photo location, plus time spend editing, exporting, and uploading. If I have three or four hours to spend on something nowadays, it needs to be something more productive. Sorry. :(

Thats cool I understand, it was worth a try:)

DEATHASYLUM
01-14-2013, 07:17 PM
From what I can tell, they're solid. I haven't taken off the clothes so I don't know what they look like underneath, but as far as security goes, they're tight but very workable. No complaints.

Yet. :)

Thank you for the input. :hi5:


Hey Blade, maybe you could reconcider your retirement from youtube videos and make a review of the enterbay figure. I'm sure alot of people would enjoy that, myself included:stick

Use to watch Blades reviews all the time & they are some of the best. It would be like a Rocky movie coming out of retirement for one last hurrah!!! He did say it was the best ever, so I can't think of a better reason not to. :wink1:

DEATHASYLUM
01-14-2013, 07:19 PM
I just don't have that kind of time. The review-making process involves an extended picture session at a specific time of day when natural light is at its best for my photo location, plus time spend editing, exporting, and uploading. If I have three or four hours to spend on something nowadays, it needs to be something more productive. Sorry. :(

:( No time, oh well. :)

Blade3327
01-14-2013, 07:21 PM
Use to watch Blades reviews all the time & they are some of the best. It would be like a Rocky movie coming out of retirement for one last hurrah!!!

Haha, thank you! Not quite sure I'd compare my reviewing return to Rocky coming out of retirement, but that's quite the compliment. :lol

DEATHASYLUM
01-14-2013, 07:22 PM
Haha, thank you! Not quite sure I'd compare my reviewing return to Rocky coming out of retirement, but that's quite the compliment. :lol

:wink1: :rotfl

The Skull
01-14-2013, 07:26 PM
Use to watch Blades reviews all the time & they are some of the best. It would be like a Rocky movie coming out of retirement for one last hurrah!!! He did say it was the best ever, so I can't think of a better reason not to. :wink1:

Yeah me too, thats why I suggested it. I really liked blades review style, I have a short list of peoples reviews I watch on the tube regularly, blade was high on the list:monkey2

DEATHASYLUM
01-14-2013, 07:32 PM
Yeah me too, thats why I suggested it. I really liked blades review style, I have a short list of peoples reviews I watch on the tube regularly, blade was high on the list:monkey2

:exactly: yep, me too & it was an excellent idea.

a-dev
01-14-2013, 07:42 PM
I loved his reviews too. He brought up everything we'd be discussing on the forums. They weren't HT polesquatting reviews :lol

pred439
01-14-2013, 09:41 PM
Haha, thank you! Not quite sure I'd compare my reviewing return to Rocky coming out of retirement.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:rotfl

KORNdog
01-15-2013, 05:35 AM
Uh... no. No, they don't.

well all mine have :dunno. lets just say if i'd have bent a hot toys body at the knees as hard as i did the 1/4 enterbay body...it would have exploded into a million peices. :rotfl

they hold up amazingly for posing. they don't feel delicate in anyway shape or form. i don't feel like i'll break something if i force it. the ratcheted joints mean not a single one has suffered any form of loose joint syndrome. they feel more bespoke to the character too then HT's more "one body to rule them all" approach...

maybe i was just lucky? :dunno

P.
01-15-2013, 07:22 AM
Yup, P. is mistaken about a great many things.until now about none. maybe in future. when you're old and don't understand anything anyway.

pred439
01-16-2013, 09:15 PM
Haha, thank you! Not quite sure I'd compare my reviewing return to Rocky coming out of retirement, but that's quite the compliment. :lol

Hope you find time to do another one someday. :monkey2

DEATHASYLUM
01-17-2013, 12:09 PM
So is anybody buying loose parts from the DX10 set to use for displaying DX13 with both bd looks? I have an extra body, boots, and pants because I think the frenzy will be on for loose DX13 stuff. I will just mod some bd on the neck, chest, & knee.

drfeelgood
01-17-2013, 01:02 PM
My biggest issue is trying to decide if to buy the dx10 or wait for the dx13. I utterly love this dx13 as its such a complete package overal. lol il prob not have any money to buy either come crunch time

DEATHASYLUM
01-17-2013, 01:40 PM
My biggest issue is trying to decide if to buy the dx10 or wait for the dx13. I utterly love this dx13 as its such a complete package overal. lol il prob not have any money to buy either come crunch time

If money is tight, then you save a chunk of change with the DX 10. If you want the BD DX13 more, then use the Sideshow Flexpay plan. :wink1:

Mr. EcKo
01-17-2013, 02:29 PM
So is anybody buying loose parts from the DX10 set to use for displaying DX13 with both bd looks? I have an extra body, boots, and pants because I think the frenzy will be on for loose DX13 stuff. I will just mod some bd on the neck, chest, & knee.

:exactly:

I got a complete outfit :horror:lol
Bought it when i got my DX10 , had some exra cash an di knew that i would need the stuff when the DX13 comes out :yess:

shells075
01-17-2013, 02:35 PM
Cant wait for this guy to be released!!!! Its already my figure of the year , even though: I haven't got it yet, only seen the proto pics, hate HT for making me broke and its still January. :lol

DEATHASYLUM
01-17-2013, 02:37 PM
:exactly:

I got a complete outfit :horror:lol
Bought it when i got my DX10 , had some exra cash an di knew that i would need the stuff when the DX13 comes out :yess:

Good man. The original loose stuff I bought ended up turning into the DX riding my motorcycle & PS. :lol:lol:lol Had to buy more loose stuff from TA & MD, so I'm covered. :slap

DEATHASYLUM
01-17-2013, 02:44 PM
Cant wait for this guy to be released!!!! Its already my figure of the year , even though: I haven't got it yet, only seen the proto pics, hate HT for making me broke and its still January. :lol

Yes, between HT & EB releases it's almost too much... System overload & running on auxiliary power!!!! :horror :rotfl

Mr. EcKo
01-17-2013, 02:46 PM
Good man. The original loose stuff I bought ended up turning into the DX riding my motorcycle & PS. :lol:lol:lol Had to buy more loose stuff from TA & MD, so I'm covered. :slap

:rock:rock:rock:rock

Dollmanron
01-17-2013, 07:51 PM
One set of hands, grenade launcher, bandolier, pistol, pants, jacket, and boots. Ended up with an extra head, body (which I might use for something), and grey T-shirt. I'll probably sell the t-shirt once I can get my hands on a BD body and BD grey T-shirt.

I might even sell the head, body and T–shirt to pay for the BD body, t-shirt, and possibly semi BD head.

Mr. EcKo
01-17-2013, 09:01 PM
One set of hands, grenade launcher, bandolier, pistol, pants, jacket, and boots. Ended up with an extra head, body (which I might use for something), and grey T-shirt. I'll probably sell the t-shirt once I can get my hands on a BD body and BD grey T-shirt.

I might even sell the head, body and T–shirt to pay for the BD body, t-shirt, and possibly semi BD head.

:horror:horror:clap:horror:horror

pred439
01-19-2013, 09:56 PM
Yes, between HT & EB releases it's almost too much... System overload & running on auxiliary power!!!! :horror :rotfl

They just keep getting better and better each time they make a terminator.

DEATHASYLUM
01-19-2013, 09:58 PM
They just keep getting better and better each time they make a terminator.

I know, I know....... Im running out of room & cash. :lol

Mr. EcKo
01-19-2013, 10:15 PM
Let's Recap on Terminator Day with my video from Ahhhnuld :wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7PtvgAtWE

The Skull
01-19-2013, 10:34 PM
Let's Recap on Terminator Day with my video from Ahhhnuld :wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7PtvgAtWE

:lol:rotfl:lol You know that day was so exciting for me that I actually let the guys at work know I have a doll collection:panic: I still get made fun of for it:(

DEATHASYLUM
01-19-2013, 10:35 PM
Let's Recap on Terminator Day with my video from Ahhhnuld :wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7PtvgAtWE

:lol watched that video when you put it out. Classic man...bravo.:hi5:

Mr. EcKo
01-19-2013, 10:36 PM
:lol:rotfl:lol You know that day was so exciting for me that I actually let the guys at work know I have a doll collection:panic: I still get made fun of for it:(

:lol:lol:lol

FK it , tell them that you sell your "dolls" you could and buy a used car with money , they'll STFU quick :yess::lol

HeubertMichael
01-19-2013, 11:11 PM
:lol:lol:lol

FK it , tell them that you sell your "dolls" you could and buy a used car with money , they'll STFU quick :yess::lol

Yeah. Or tell them that 5 years from now their iPhone5 will be valued for nothing while your DX13 could AT LEAST give you your money back then.

The Skull
01-19-2013, 11:19 PM
:lol:lol:lol

FK it , tell them that you sell your "dolls" you could and buy a used car with money , they'll STFU quick :yess::lol


Yeah. Or tell them that 5 years from now their iPhone5 will be valued for nothing while your DX13 could AT LEAST give you your money back then.

:lol word, but its all in good fun, we joke around all the time at work, helps get though the day:)

HeubertMichael
01-19-2013, 11:33 PM
:lol word, but its all in good fun, we joke around all the time at work, helps get though the day:)

LOL yeah, man. I can tell. Back when I was still doing office work I also got to hear the same thing from my officemates often. But almost each year on my birthday they'd chip in and buy me a figure, wrap it, and have a card that says "for the CHILD in you.." :lol

Oh I miss those guys :)

The Skull
01-19-2013, 11:36 PM
LOL yeah, man. I can tell. Back when I was still doing office work I also got to hear the same thing from my officemates often. But almost each year on my birthday they'd chip in and buy me a figure, wrap it, and have a card that says "for the CHILD in you.." :lol

Oh I miss those guys :)

Thats awesome that they bought you figures, all they ever gave me was a keychain from there vacations:(

pred439
01-20-2013, 01:27 AM
Let's Recap on Terminator Day with my video from Ahhhnuld :wave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7PtvgAtWE

Hay man I subscribed to your YouTube channel. Please subscribe to mine. :hi5:

Tubes78
01-20-2013, 03:47 AM
There are some crazy bidders on Ebay. $200 (and rising) for a 1/4 scale jacket? :cuckoo:

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/160958072295?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Mr. EcKo
01-20-2013, 10:36 AM
Hay man I subscribed to your YouTube channel. Please subscribe to mine. :hi5:

Give me a link to your channel , thaks for subbing buddy :hi5:


There are some crazy bidders on Ebay. $200 (and rising) for a 1/4 scale jacket? :cuckoo:

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/160958072295?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

:dunno This is a 1/6th Hot Toys Thread :stick

pred439
01-20-2013, 09:15 PM
Give me a link to your channel , thaks for subbing buddy :hi5:



:dunno This is a 1/6th Hot Toys Thread :stick

http://http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=pred439&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2FPred439&ei=qcD8UKKJG5DMigKek4Ew&usg=AFQjCNFVn7wcU_5pjBGyyjhcwXke0kWKcw&sig2=BPWMxnA1TlqE3u6vbpj3rw&bvm=bv.41248874,d.cGE

Dollmanron
01-20-2013, 09:37 PM
:lol:rotfl:lol You know that day was so exciting for me that I actually let the guys at work know I have a doll collection:panic: I still get made fun of for it:(

My family used to do the same thing, talk all kinds of dress **** and stupid crap like that growing up. After I was grown one family reunion I mentioned how I'd sold $400 worth of carded GI Joes to a guy out in Texas for $4,000 and then he turned around (after the lying bastard told me he was a collector and was buying them for his own collection and not to resell), and sold just 3/4 of them and made $7,000 off them on EBay. They didn't have much to say after that.

The Skull
01-20-2013, 10:10 PM
My family used to do the same thing, talk all kinds of dress **** and stupid crap like that growing up. After I was grown one family reunion I mentioned how I'd sold $400 worth of carded GI Joes to a guy out in Texas for $4,000 and then he turned around (after the lying bastard told me he was a collector and was buying them for his own collection and not to resell), and sold just 3/4 of them and made $7,000 off them on EBay. They didn't have much to say after that.

I'm not bothered by the jokes here and there cause I can dish them out aswell as I take them. I don't have to justify my collecting to anyone, or by saying how much I could get for some of my stuff is the reason its worth while. I enjoy collecting for me and nobody else, I love these figures as they bring alot of joy to me.

Life can get rather dull and harsh with work and all so when I go home after work or on my days off its nice to look at my collection or hunt for the newest figure or just chill here on the forums to talk to like minded freaks like me:D

pred439
01-20-2013, 10:21 PM
There are some crazy bidders on Ebay. $200 (and rising) for a 1/4 scale jacket? :cuckoo:

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/160958072295?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

:cuckoo::horror

Silasya77
01-22-2013, 02:28 AM
In light of the harder sculpts we've been getting with Joker and Bane, I hope this trend continues in the future. Would love to have a non-soft sculpted DX 13

subzro
01-22-2013, 02:36 AM
I'm not bothered by the jokes here and there cause I can dish them out aswell as I take them. I don't have to justify my collecting to anyone, or by saying how much I could get for some of my stuff is the reason its worth while. I enjoy collecting for me and nobody else, I love these figures as they bring alot of joy to me.

Life can get rather dull and harsh with work and all so when I go home after work or on my days off its nice to look at my collection or hunt for the newest figure or just chill here on the forums to talk to like minded freaks like me:D

:goodpost::exactly:

pred439
01-22-2013, 03:24 AM
I'm not bothered by the jokes here and there cause I can dish them out aswell as I take them. I don't have to justify my collecting to anyone, or by saying how much I could get for some of my stuff is the reason its worth while. I enjoy collecting for me and nobody else, I love these figures as they bring alot of joy to me.

Life can get rather dull and harsh with work and all so when I go home after work or on my days off its nice to look at my collection or hunt for the newest figure or just chill here on the forums to talk to like minded freaks like me:D

:clap:clap:clap
:clap:clap:clap
:clap:clap:clap

EndoSickness
01-22-2013, 04:31 AM
I'm not bothered by the jokes here and there cause I can dish them out aswell as I take them. I don't have to justify my collecting to anyone, or by saying how much I could get for some of my stuff is the reason its worth while. I enjoy collecting for me and nobody else, I love these figures as they bring alot of joy to me.

Life can get rather dull and harsh with work and all so when I go home after work or on my days off its nice to look at my collection or hunt for the newest figure or just chill here on the forums to talk to like minded freaks like me:D

:goodpost::exactly:

Like...totally.
I always have a smile on my face when I get home and have a look at several figures of characters, I wanted to own.
Priceless feeling.

pred439
01-22-2013, 04:49 AM
:goodpost::exactly:

Like...totally.
I always have a smile on my face when I get home and have a look at several figures of characters, I wanted to own.
Priceless feeling.

I know how both of you feel. And I'll feel and even deeper gratitude when I get a better display case.

EndoSickness
01-22-2013, 05:19 AM
I know how both of you feel. And I'll feel and even deeper gratitude when I get a better display case.

Yep, imagine how I felt when I finally managed to get my own collection room, full new shelf and new lighting.

:hi5:

TheFiend
01-22-2013, 05:23 AM
Wonder what the body is gonna cost when TA does a break down. That's all I'll need for a second figure. I already have a whole other outfit with boots and I'd just use the second head with it.

TheFiend
01-22-2013, 05:26 AM
Yep, imagine how I felt when I finally managed to get my own collection room, full new shelf and new lighting.

:hi5:


Sounds glorious. I have most my figures crammed together on a single shelf above my computer. Two on top of my printer. :lol Looks like *** but oh well.

Can't even display them all for lack of space so I always have to switch it up

EndoSickness
01-22-2013, 05:35 AM
Sounds glorious. I have most my figures crammed together on a single shelf above my computer. Two on top of my printer. :lol Looks like *** but oh well.

Can't even display them all for lack of space so I always have to switch it up

Hey, you know the positive side of it?!
You get the chance of holding them, changing poses and so on.

For me...this has gotten more rare...

pred439
01-22-2013, 05:43 AM
Yep, imagine how I felt when I finally managed to get my own collection room, full new shelf and new lighting.

:hi5:

Yeah. I'm getting a day bed and a table for my room. Then it's going to look more like a living room/den than a bedroom. I'll have my collectable shells on each side of my day bed. It's going to look awesome. :yess:

EndoSickness
01-22-2013, 05:49 AM
Yeah. I'm getting a day bed and a table for my room. Then it's going to look more like a living room/den than a bedroom. I'll have my collectable shells on each side of my day bed. It's going to look awesome. :yess:

Cheers, mate and enjoy yourself when it´s the time.

:1-1:

Kiva
01-22-2013, 06:10 AM
i assume that is postage on the dx10 you are tracking!

VintijDroidGutzz
01-22-2013, 06:17 AM
^ :lol

It might be battle damaged by the time it gets through customs..

Kidding. :monkey3 :lol

a-dev
01-22-2013, 06:22 AM
^ :lol

It might be battle damaged by the time it gets through customs..

Kidding. :monkey3 :lol

I hear theres lots of customisers at customs.

pred439
01-22-2013, 06:27 AM
Cheers, mate and enjoy yourself when it´s the time.

:1-1:

Thanks man.

MrRabba
01-22-2013, 06:34 AM
:rotfl Just realised what I did there, didn't mean to post in this thread... Battle Damaged Enterbay :slap :lol

Gary23
01-22-2013, 06:57 AM
I hear theres lots of customisers at customs.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

pred439
01-22-2013, 09:32 PM
I hear theres lots of customisers at customs.

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl
:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl
:rotfl

a-dev
01-22-2013, 10:31 PM
and they charge a small fortune for their work too.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-23-2013, 01:22 AM
So.. what's the consensus on Enterbay perhaps breaking through with some new 1/6 Arnolds?

I'm SO down for this one.. but thoughts?

a-dev
01-23-2013, 10:27 AM
So.. what's the consensus on Enterbay perhaps breaking through with some new 1/6 Arnolds?

I'm SO down for this one.. but thoughts?

I don't see it happening. I don't know this for a fact but I think they only have the rights to do 1:4 scale. I do think that if they did do 1:6 scale figures, we'd see better headsculpts. SCUDERIA appears to have a better handle on Arnie's likeness in one attempt than most of Yulli's ones. Although from what angles I've seen of DX13 the Arnie likeness here is very very good. My only doubt is how the PERS will end up looking and what it will look like from angles we haven't seen. And thats saying nothing about the accuracy of the battledamage.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-24-2013, 03:55 AM
I don't see it happening. I don't know this for a fact but I think they only have the rights to do 1:4 scale. I do think that if they did do 1:6 scale figures, we'd see better headsculpts. SCUDERIA appears to have a better handle on Arnie's likeness in one attempt than most of Yulli's ones. Although from what angles I've seen of DX13 the Arnie likeness here is very very good. My only doubt is how the PERS will end up looking and what it will look like from angles we haven't seen. And thats saying nothing about the accuracy of the battledamage.
Right.. incidentally - what's Scuderia responsible for? Bruce Lee, Che etc?

It'd be great if they did get into 1/6, then we'd have more choice. :)

BadMuthaDude
01-24-2013, 07:47 AM
It'd be great if they did get into 1/6, then we'd have more choice. :)

Then HT and EB will really have to battle to win us over with the best 1/6 version. If EB has the rights to do it, I say bring it on.

Who am I kidding? I'd just buy both Ht's and EB's 1/6 Terminators.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-24-2013, 07:52 AM
Then HT and EB will really have to battle to win us over with the best 1/6 version. If EB has the rights to do it, I say bring it on.
:exactly:

Competition bares rich fruit. :wink1:

sixth_sith
01-24-2013, 01:33 PM
For anyone who bought the old battle damaged T-800 for $600 or more just 6 or 7 years ago deserves a serious drink on the house...

The evolution within one decade is staggering, this figure could be one of the most anticipated in recent times... I do wonder why however all 3 companies Hot toys, Enterbay and NECA are doing them at the same time? Why do companies have to compete? if they each had their own 6 months or year of time to "own" the rights, wouldn't it be less saturated?

I'm having some trouble deciding on this or the Enterbay 1/4...

They are pretty darn close in price which is surprising...

All i can say is:

Everytime I get out, they find a way to GET ME BACK IN!!!!

Dollmanron
01-24-2013, 01:49 PM
For anyone who bought the old battle damaged T-800 for $600 or more just 6 or 7 years ago deserves a serious drink on the house...

The evolution within one decade is staggering, this figure could be one of the most anticipated in recent times... I do wonder why however all 3 companies Hot toys, Enterbay and NECA are doing them at the same time? Why do companies have to compete? if they each had their own 6 months or year of time to "own" the rights, wouldn't it be less saturated?

I'm having some trouble deciding on this or the Enterbay 1/4...

They are pretty darn close in price which is surprising...

All i can say is:

Everytime I get out, they find a way to GET ME BACK IN!!!!

Actually that figure came from the first Terminator movie and was from the Police Shoot Out scenes, and before they had Arnold's likeness rights. This figure is from T2 and is not the same Terminator.

sixth_sith
01-24-2013, 06:20 PM
Actually that figure came from the first Terminator movie and was from the Police Shoot Out scenes, and before they had Arnold's likeness rights. This figure is from T2 and is not the same Terminator.

:slap right man, thanks, I was only thinking of the head sculpt,

still vast improvement is the point, and yes if you paid $600 for that you still need a drink

pred439
01-24-2013, 09:39 PM
Actually that figure came from the first Terminator movie and was from the Police Shoot Out scenes.

Yeah that one looked awful.

HMC117
01-26-2013, 10:13 PM
What is the expected release date of the DX13 BD T-800?

The Skull
01-26-2013, 10:18 PM
What is the expected release date of the DX13 BD T-800?

This june I think.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-26-2013, 10:29 PM
^ Really? Fark! :horror

I better start saving.. :lol

a-dev
01-26-2013, 10:32 PM
^ Really? Fark! :horror

I better start saving.. :lol

and with my plans for multiples....fark indeed!

VintijDroidGutzz
01-26-2013, 10:38 PM
and with my plans for multiples....fark indeed!
:lol

Man, I'm broke right now. There's a few things on sale locally that I just can't stretch the budget for - so frustrating. :gah:

a-dev
01-26-2013, 10:45 PM
:lol

Man, I'm broke right now. There's a few things on sale locally that I just can't stretch the budget for - so frustrating. :gah:

I know the feeling. Theres so many parts I'd love to buy on ebay to complete some figures and kitbashes I've got but the damn prices - they're that much more offputting when you're struggling to sell entire complete figures for only twice or three times the cost of what these sellers are asking for one little bit. :gah:

Silent December
01-27-2013, 08:16 PM
I collect only one figure per character and I'm torn between getting a MMS117 and the DX13. I love the DX13 overall, the accessories, and the obviously the BD, but I dislike the Arnold likeness (or lack thereof). I Love the MMS117 for the Arnold likeness. Decisions...decisions...

Mr. EcKo
01-27-2013, 08:36 PM
I collect only one figure per character and I'm torn between getting a MMS117 and the DX13. I love the DX13 overall, the accessories, and the obviously the BD, but I dislike the Arnold likeness (or lack thereof). I Love the MMS117 for the Arnold likeness. Decisions...decisions...

Hope this helps you decide :wave

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4458/ahhhnuldcomp.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/ahhhnuldcomp.png/)

a-dev
01-27-2013, 10:26 PM
I collect only one figure per character and I'm torn between getting a MMS117 and the DX13. I love the DX13 overall, the accessories, and the obviously the BD, but I dislike the Arnold likeness (or lack thereof). I Love the MMS117 for the Arnold likeness. Decisions...decisions...

DX13 easy. For all the different display possibilities and it showcasing endoskeleton. And for the likeness which I would say is far better than MMS117 but to each his own.

pred439
01-28-2013, 12:12 AM
Hope this helps you decide :wave

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4458/ahhhnuldcomp.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/ahhhnuldcomp.png/)

The MMS version makes Arnold look to Pale.

Silent December
01-28-2013, 12:38 AM
Hope this helps you decide :wave

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4458/ahhhnuldcomp.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/ahhhnuldcomp.png/)

hmm. Maybe it's the stern look of the MMS that's making lean toward that figure? Either way I can't go wrong with either figure at the end of the day :lol

Dracula
01-28-2013, 01:17 AM
Hope this helps you decide :wave

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4458/ahhhnuldcomp.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/ahhhnuldcomp.png/)

WTF, my MMS version doesn't look like that. :lol

EndoSickness
01-28-2013, 01:22 AM
hmm. Maybe it's the stern look of the MMS that's making lean toward that figure? Either way I can't go wrong with either figure at the end of the day :lol

Well...when it helps you, don´t fix on the decision to collect only one figure per character.

I started out that way too, now I have 4 Predator figures, 5 terminator figures (2 being the T-1000) and I will get the DX-10 next, seting him up cyberdyne style, like he´s intended to be and DEFFO NEED DX-13.
THEN you´ll have him represented...for real.
Once you have one...you can´t go back.
Those things are addictive and you REALLY will go for different incarnations, cause you´re actually going to miss him.
That´s how went with me.

So, with that...
:1-1:
Hope that helps...

Dracula
01-28-2013, 01:27 AM
I collect only one figure per character and I'm torn between getting a MMS117 and the DX13. I love the DX13 overall, the accessories, and the obviously the BD, but I dislike the Arnold likeness (or lack thereof). I Love the MMS117 for the Arnold likeness. Decisions...decisions...

If you only can get one go for the version you find more iconic. That's the MMS version for me. Non-battle damaged posed with the shotgun. If you can get two, I say MMS version and the DX13. Buy a couple of DX10 accessories off ebay and you're done. I'm actually not a big fan of the DX10 but some people do like it, not saying the MMS version is more accurate, just personally think the MMS v. looks better.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 05:08 AM
The MMS version makes Arnold look to Pale.
Maybe because there's different lighting for both photos? :lol :monkey1

Anyway folks, the MMS kicks @i$$ - as recently highlighted once again.

Don't listen to a-dev.. :monkey3 :lol

Gary23
01-28-2013, 05:34 AM
lol have a feeling this comparison between the two will go on untill the end of time:rotfl:rotfl

Mr. EcKo
01-28-2013, 05:49 AM
The pic I posted, the DX pic is one I took, the other is a prototype pic

a-dev
01-28-2013, 05:51 AM
Maybe because there's different lighting for both photos? :lol :monkey1

Anyway folks, the MMS kicks @i$$ - as recently highlighted once again.

Don't listen to a-dev.. :monkey3 :lol

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Funnies/24102.gif

Mr. EcKo
01-28-2013, 05:57 AM
Okay Adev. Post a side by side comparison to end this unwinnable discussion

these guys obviously don't see what we see.

The mms looks like Merle from the Walking Dead

a-dev
01-28-2013, 05:59 AM
I'm not even sure what we're comparing. MMS117 with DX10 or MMS117 with DX13?

Dracula
01-28-2013, 05:59 AM
With glasses off, perhaps. :lol

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 06:08 AM
Okay Adev. Post a side by side comparison to end this unwinnable discussion

these guys obviously don't see what we see.

The mms looks like Merle from the Walking Dead
There's a comp (multi-quoted) on the last page. :lecture

..& actually.. I kinda see the Merle thing too. :lol

Gary23
01-28-2013, 06:11 AM
I'm not even sure what we're comparing. MMS117 with DX10 or MMS117 with DX13?

:rotfl:rotfl

make a poll, MMS117 vs DX10

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 06:12 AM
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Funnies/24102.gif

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpyrfbTeF1rihopyo1_500.gif

Dracula
01-28-2013, 06:12 AM
:rotfl:rotfl

make a poll, frog face vs 20 year old tanned Arnold

:goodpost::exactly:

Gary23
01-28-2013, 06:13 AM
:horror:rotfl

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 06:15 AM
:rotfl:rotfl

make a poll, MMS117 vs DX10
Why bother?

I think it's apparent, the scales are tipped towards round headed, soft sculpted Benicio-negger. :huh

:lol

Dracula
01-28-2013, 06:25 AM
Why bother?

I think it's apparent, the scales are tipped towards round headed, soft sculpted Benicio-negger. :huh

:lol

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4rhbeX7QF1qcfqs0o1_250.gif

:lol:lol

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 06:27 AM
^ That's conflicted... & clever. :lol

BadMuthaDude
01-28-2013, 06:31 AM
Hope this helps you decide :wave

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/4458/ahhhnuldcomp.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/ahhhnuldcomp.png/)

Damn Ecko, why would you post a comparison pic with the MMS prototype? If the mms came out like that, I'd be owning it.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 06:31 AM
Mine looks like that. :yess:

BadMuthaDude
01-28-2013, 06:35 AM
Mine looks like that. :yess:

You're lucky HT gave you the prototype then because everyone else got the deluxe squished face version.

Dracula
01-28-2013, 06:38 AM
Hey Ecko, thanks for ruining it for me! Now I see Merle in my MMS version! :lol :yess::clap:slap:(:monkey2

a-dev
01-28-2013, 06:40 AM
Why bother?

I think it's apparent, the scales are tipped towards round headed, soft sculpted Benicio-negger. :huh

:lol

:lecture Comparisons have already been posted and people are already decided. I posted pics of how each figure looked in the same lighting in my pescadero diorama that I thought would settle the debate but they didn't. The same pictures can produce contradicting viewpoints in different people.

Solarsailor was right in what he was saying, neither sculpt nails it. Although the DX10 corrected my much-hated squashed face (AKA toadface) it brought in new issues that weren't there on the MMS117. My preferance is still the DX10 but its issues are undeniable. However I still think it, and not MMS117, is the better base for DX13.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 06:41 AM
You're lucky HT gave you the prototype then because everyone else got the deluxe squished face version.
Ah well, what'ya do. :huh :lol

Dracula
01-28-2013, 07:00 AM
The best headsculpt of Arnold as the Terminator:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/387032_10151399793611418_1022013495_n.jpg

Nuff said.

a-dev
01-28-2013, 07:06 AM
The best headsculpt of Arnold as the Terminator:

[Enterbay pic]

Nuff said.

:lecture

Hard to see how it could get better. If only there was a clean sculpt to that standard.

Dracula
01-28-2013, 07:12 AM
:lecture

Hard to see how it could get better. If only there was a clean sculpt to that standard.

Yeah, just like you I'm hoping for a new clean version from Enterbay. That clean T-800 teased by Bill on his weibo and facebook might be 1/4th scale. Though I wouldn't complain if they were 1/6.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-28-2013, 07:46 AM
Agreed on the BD EB 1/4 fellas - that's Arnold in the make up to a tee.

Not a fan of the 1/4 scale though.. :dunno

BadMuthaDude
01-28-2013, 07:54 AM
The best headsculpt of Arnold as the Terminator:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/387032_10151399793611418_1022013495_n.jpg

Nuff said.

That is the best likeness overall. For 1/6 only I'd pick the DX10 as the best likeness and hope that the DX13 beats it by having a better production process.

a-dev
01-28-2013, 07:59 AM
That really is a stunning photograph. The lighting is fantastic, really brings out the detail and the likeness overall.

P.
01-28-2013, 08:12 AM
and this is not hot toys dx13 battle damage t-800 so what the **** is it doing out of its own thread.

Nuff said.i hope you remember your words and don't say them again and again like all those EBs fanboys do.
p.s. no, it's a very cool average human sculpt but it has nothing to do with arnold t2 sculpt.

a-dev
01-28-2013, 08:18 AM
and this is not hot toys dx13 battle damage t-800 so what the **** is it doing out of its own thread.
i hope you remember your words and don't say them again and again like all those EBs fanboys do.
p.s. no, it's a very cool average human sculpt but it has nothing to do with arnold t2 sculpt.


Your first sentence is fair enough. Your last sentence - to be honest P. - nonsense.

The middle sentence - you don't have to be an Enterbay fanboy to appreciate that sculpt. A lot of people who I would describe as anything but EB fanboys think its amazing.

Dracula
01-28-2013, 08:29 AM
and this is not hot toys dx13 battle damage t-800 so what the **** is it doing out of its own thread.

Terminator fans discussing Terminator likeness of figures in a Terminator figure thread, that's all. Chill down. Why would someone seriously get mad for that? :slap


i hope you remember your words and don't say them again and again like all those EBs fanboys do.

Que?


p.s. no, it's a very cool average human sculpt but it has nothing to do with arnold t2 sculpt.

You aren't talking about the EB headsculpt are you?

neo
01-28-2013, 08:35 AM
and this is not hot toys dx13 battle damage t-800 so what the **** is it doing out of its own thread.
i hope you remember your words and don't say them again and again like all those EBs fanboys do.
p.s. no, it's a very cool average human sculpt but it has nothing to do with arnold t2 sculpt.

:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:

BadMuthaDude
01-28-2013, 08:38 AM
So, I took that beautiful EB Terminator photo, pulled off the bd and stuck it on the HT proto:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b183/mmcollectors/Edits/ht-bd-edit-bmd.jpg

a-dev
01-28-2013, 08:57 AM
^Good job on that.

Its going to be interesting to see what changes HT makes for the final figure. I wonder will they keep the same approach with the thick layers of flesh. If they do I hope they at least re-address what areas of endoskeleton are showing.

BadMuthaDude
01-28-2013, 09:13 AM
I hope they get the shape of the wounds more accurate, but keep the style they have with the wounds having more depth and looking less like prosthetics.

a-dev
01-28-2013, 09:31 AM
I hope they get the shape of the wounds more accurate, but keep the style they have with the wounds having more depth and looking less like prosthetics.

Something I find strange and contradictory about HT's approach is the way they'll strive for ''realism'' in the flesh wounds, what it would really look like if Arnie really was a T-800, and yet DX10 has the neck that he has - overly bulky, awkwardly stiff, gaps and so on. I don't understand how they reconcile a realistic approach in one area but not in another.

r5150s
01-28-2013, 09:53 AM
and this is not hot toys dx13 battle damage t-800 so what the **** is it doing out of its own thread.
i hope you remember your words and don't say them again and again like all those EBs fanboys do.
p.s. no, it's a very cool average human sculpt but it has nothing to do with arnold t2 sculpt.

wow...you need help :slap :cuckoo::cuckoo:

i hope you got a life outside your collection cause you're starting to get on everybody's nerves including mine and I have a lot of patience..between your wishing somebody to die because you don't like the sculpt and your lame customs, you need to get a life...

Dracula
01-28-2013, 09:58 AM
So, I took that beautiful EB Terminator photo, pulled off the bd and stuck it on the HT proto:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b183/mmcollectors/Edits/ht-bd-edit-bmd.jpg

Love it. :clap

DEATHASYLUM
01-28-2013, 10:46 AM
Wow, great job BMD!!! You can really see how much HT needs to improve upon in those comparison pics. The EB version really got it right. Fingers are crossed for HT to revise their sculpt's bd. :pray:

Wor-Gar
01-28-2013, 10:53 AM
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Funnies/24102.gif

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/2241153_o.gif

a-dev
01-28-2013, 10:57 AM
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/2241153_o.gif

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Funnies/a3term_222.jpg

shells075
01-28-2013, 10:59 AM
My only issue with the Enterbay BD is its in 1/4 scale. :lecture

DEATHASYLUM
01-28-2013, 11:05 AM
My only issue with the Enterbay BD is its in 1/4 scale. :lecture

Is that because of limited space, price, or because it doesn't fit in with the rest of your collection? Or all of they above...:lol

BadMuthaDude
01-28-2013, 11:30 AM
Love it. :clap


Wow, great job BMD!!! You can really see how much HT needs to improve upon in those comparison pics. The EB version really got it right. Fingers are crossed for HT to revise their sculpt's bd. :pray:

Thanks guys, I'd pass it on to HT but they'd probably just be insulted that I photoshopped some EB product onto theirs.

DEATHASYLUM
01-28-2013, 11:44 AM
Thanks guys, I'd pass it on to HT but they'd probably just be insulted that I photoshopped some EB product onto theirs.

Who cares what they think and you should send it to them anyways. :lol It looks so much better with the better bd, nice job. :hi5:

Stanlore
01-30-2013, 03:39 AM
and this is not hot toys dx13 battle damage t-800 so what the **** is it doing out of its own thread.
i hope you remember your words and don't say them again and again like all those EBs fanboys do.
p.s. no, it's a very cool average human sculpt but it has nothing to do with arnold t2 sculpt.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ejkd1Rrm1qenc9bo1_500.gif

Oh btw... Awesome photoshop BadMuthaDude

BadMuthaDude
01-30-2013, 07:51 AM
Oh btw... Awesome photoshop BadMuthaDude

Thanks! When work is slow I have time to mess around in our photo editing programs.

VintijDroidGutzz
01-30-2013, 07:58 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ejkd1Rrm1qenc9bo1_500.gif



:lol

I still haven't started saving yet.. :gah:

Dracula
01-30-2013, 12:42 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ejkd1Rrm1qenc9bo1_500.gif

Oh btw... Awesome photoshop BadMuthaDude

http://reactiongifs.imagereactor.eu/files/wm-media/reaction-gifs/dark-angel/terminator-thumbs-up.gif

Gary23
01-31-2013, 02:42 AM
Hey sorry if this has been covered already but is the liquid T1000 an exclusive?

Gary23
01-31-2013, 03:13 AM
Aww I see,cool :)

shdl83
02-04-2013, 06:21 AM
What are some of the cons with this figure???

a-dev
02-04-2013, 06:30 AM
What are some of the cons with this figure???

-They've taken a lot of artistic license with the battle damage on the head, chest and knee.
-The PERS probably won't look as good as it does in the proto-shots.
-missed opportunity to provide the teargas launcher
-might have the same overly bulky neck, awkward head connection and puffy hair as DX10, hard to tell with the angles given.

VintijDroidGutzz
02-04-2013, 08:28 AM
-They've taken a lot of artistic license with the battle damage on the head, chest and knee.
-The PERS probably won't look as good as it does in the proto-shots.
-missed opportunity to provide the teargas launcher
-might have the same overly bulky neck, awkward head connection and puffy hair as DX10, hard to tell with the angles given.
Good summation there a-dev.

That said - still a brilliant piece, as I'm sure you of course agree. :) I just hope the Endo eye lasts over time - movement wise (if so) & the light up feature as well. If the two work together, it could be a QC gamble.

a-dev
02-04-2013, 08:41 AM
Good summation there a-dev.

That said - still a brilliant piece, as I'm sure you of course agree. :) I just hope the Endo eye lasts over time - movement wise (if so) & the light up feature as well. If the two work together, it could be a QC gamble.

Undoubtedly. Even if they didn't fix any of the accuracy issues it would still be a brilliant piece - we'd just have to accept HT way of doing it. They have the ability to make it super-accurate, the film has been out for over 20 years with referance material in abundance - they chose to do it the way they've done it.

VintijDroidGutzz
02-04-2013, 09:16 AM
They have the ability to make it super-accurate, the film has been out for over 20 years with referance material in abundance - they chose to do it the way they've done it.
This is how I feel about the DX10 head actually. I'll totally admit they didn't nail the likeness the first time, but I'm a fan of the 'older' looking sculpt - somewhat condensed features & all. :lol

The DX10 head - while a nicer attempt sure, is round, glossy, soft featured, & I've bashed the eye area enough by now. :lol

Horses for courses, but yeah - HT definitely have their stamp on these figures, either way.

a-dev
02-04-2013, 09:21 AM
This is how I feel about the DX10 head actually. I'll totally admit they didn't nail the likeness the first time, but I'm a fan of the 'older' looking sculpt - somewhat condensed features & all. :lol

:lol I'd love to see the 117 sculpt a bit vertically elongated and with hair slightly fuller above the ears. And I know its a wierd thing to look at but I prefer the back of the head on MMS117 to the DX10. I have a strong suspicion HT were looking at Enterbays first figure when they were working out the hair/cranial shape on DX10...but they shouldn't have because that was the biggest flaw of the EB figure. And incidentally I would say to HT that they should be looking at the film not other companies' sculpts.

sixth_sith
02-04-2013, 06:12 PM
:lol I'd love to see the 117 sculpt a bit vertically elongated and with hair slightly fuller above the ears. And I know its a wierd thing to look at but I prefer the back of the head on MMS117 to the DX10. I have a strong suspicion HT were looking at Enterbays first figure when they were working out the hair/cranial shape on DX10...but they shouldn't have because that was the biggest flaw of the EB figure. And incidentally I would say to HT that they should be looking at the film not other companies' sculpts.

Bang on bro, I feel like the DX10 was almost in complete rebuttle towards the 1/4 T-800. Hot toys is sooo insecure, I remember them boasting about a seemless Bruce Lee body, at the time EB released the seamless arm... what a joke, it never came out.

So about the sculpt, you know what I really noticed the other day...

whatever Arnie's new movie is called, something "law"...

the MMS 117 sculpt looks like Arnie today in that movie

Mr. EcKo
02-04-2013, 07:00 PM
You so smart ADEV buddy buddy

BadMuthaDude
02-04-2013, 08:33 PM
I'd say the mms sculpt doesn't look like Arnold at any age.

Lee in MI
02-04-2013, 08:43 PM
And that would be an inaccurate assessment...

BadMuthaDude
02-04-2013, 08:46 PM
As would yours. See, I can do that too!

Mr Walker
02-05-2013, 12:41 AM
I'd say the mms sculpt doesn't look like Arnold at any age.

:lol I don't think it's that bad, but it could do with a lot of improvement.

VintijDroidGutzz
02-05-2013, 02:53 AM
So can the DX10 head - or should I just keep referring to it as Benicio Del Damon-negger. :huh :lol

BadMuthaDude
02-05-2013, 06:16 AM
As long as you refer to the mms as Arnold Cosplayer. :winkitywink

VintijDroidGutzz
02-05-2013, 07:03 AM
:lol

Ehh.. there's enough HT Arnold to go around for all our tastes. :)

BadMuthaDude
02-05-2013, 07:33 AM
Absolutely. However, I fully expect a couple years down the line a new one gets made that puts them all to shame.*

*or would put them to shame if it weren't for some new weird issue

:thud:

sixth_sith
02-05-2013, 09:20 AM
I'd say the mms sculpt doesn't look like Arnold at any age.

Hey BadMutha... how about this?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCVbjBQCUB5-frZggUpNnNf1UIXIZrG5fl93ZkIaX1bgl_MpnAEA

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1luLRXKoJM8/TACZm1RU8DI/AAAAAAAAj7c/T01ynX2nMrc/s1600/79.jpg

similar no?

BadMuthaDude
02-05-2013, 10:14 AM
Nope, sorry. The darn MMS doesn't even have the right ear shape.

The DX10 is more true to his jaw, mouth, ears and eyes (though the pers hurts that). In the last stand, I can see that same face shape but rendered wrinkly and saggy by age.

In the MMS, I see only the general idea of Arnold's face but it's like the artist was going by a description more than photographs and video. It's weird because the prototype looked much more like him. What happened? As I watched the last stand, I wondered how people could consider the MMS and older version of Arnold.

Basically the MMS is a good, realistic looking sculpt but is hurt by having a poor likeness. The DX10 has a great likeness but is hurt by pers and the smooth texture. I prefer the DX10's strengths.

That's just the way it is from my perception.

BadMuthaDude
02-05-2013, 10:18 AM
I also should mention that the T-1000 figure has the same issues. It has the idea of Robert Patrick there, but doesn't really come together to form an authentic likeness. I accept that and enjoy the figure though. With the T-800, I couldn't accept it because I'm a much bigger fan of Arnold and watch his movies over and over again. I wanted a better likeness than that.

VintijDroidGutzz
02-05-2013, 10:23 AM
On a slight tangent, I agree with the point about both T2 Arnold figures being a little too bulky. Look at Arnold in the film; he's lean (well.. leaner) - not a meat mountain. That also hurts the overall look of both figures.

It's probably more to do with the 1/6 leathers adding to the volume of the body as much as anything I guess.

BadMuthaDude
02-05-2013, 10:27 AM
As a-dev has mentioned before, the neck on the new figure sure is ugly when you view it from the side.

pred439
02-05-2013, 06:08 PM
As a-dev has mentioned before, the neck on the new figure sure is ugly when you view it from the side.

Which is just to bad.:(

a-dev
02-05-2013, 06:39 PM
As a-dev has mentioned before, the neck on the new figure sure is ugly when you view it from the side.

I really can't stress enough how I hate it and wish they'd sculpt the neck with the head on Arnold figures. For me these gigantic horse necks are harming the likeness and the realism of the figures.

Even by the normal standards of this kind of joint for the head - DX10s one is very badly done. The seperation of the head and neck is far too obvious. If you tilt the head to one side or make him look up big gaps open up and in fact even in a neutral position there always seems to be gaps on one side.

DEATHASYLUM
02-05-2013, 07:54 PM
I really can't stress enough how I hate it and wish they'd sculpt the neck with the head on Arnold figures. For me these gigantic horse necks are harming the likeness and the realism of the figures.

Even by the normal standards of this kind of joint for the head - DX10s one is very badly done. The seperation of the head and neck is far too obvious. If you tilt the head to one side or make him look up big gaps open up and in fact even in a neutral position there always seems to be gaps on one side.

:exactly:I completely agree with you. Until they can figure out how to make a normal looking neck for the muscle bodies, they should stick with sculpted necks. Just had this same discussion over there about this topic.

sixth_sith
02-06-2013, 04:00 PM
I might have a mod for this but it would take some guts and potentially ruin the back of the neck of a DX10 but...

1) pop head off
2) pull the plastic joint out from inside the neck (holds the head)
3) make a small incision right down the back of the neck, like a V shape sorta but the letter v would only be 2 or 3 mm wide and 1cm long.
4) take that V of rubber out... glue the neck skinnier, HOPEFULLY with no seem
5) Do the ECKO video pers removal technique
6) stick the plastic joint back in the neck
7) pop a neck joint in, and puddy in the head
8) press the head on and adjust...

OR

Get a Metal gear body, or Superman body and see if it fairs any better...

Constructive opinions / criticism?

a-dev
02-06-2013, 05:09 PM
I might have a mod for this but it would take some guts and potentially ruin the back of the neck of a DX10 but...

1) pop head off
2) pull the plastic joint out from inside the neck (holds the head)
3) make a small incision right down the back of the neck, like a V shape sorta but the letter v would only be 2 or 3 mm wide and 1cm long.
4) take that V of rubber out... glue the neck skinnier, HOPEFULLY with no seem
5) Do the ECKO video pers removal technique
6) stick the plastic joint back in the neck
7) pop a neck joint in, and puddy in the head
8) press the head on and adjust...

OR

Get a Metal gear body, or Superman body and see if it fairs any better...

Constructive opinions / criticism?

I don't think that'd work. Even if doing that did have the effect of making the neck thinner (in the side view right?), and you could make the cut look seamless or even hide it, you'd be opening up the gap between the underside of the chin and the neck. The fact is they have sculpted the head to fit this gargantuan neck and it doesn't even do that perfectly. You'd have to fill in these gaps, it all sounds like it could get very messy and hodgepodge.

Actually if anything I think it needs to lose thickness from the back of the neck rather than from the front. Another way in which I can't help thinking they copied the Enterbay sculpt - the actual front to back depth of the DX10 head relatively speaking looks about the equivalent of EBs clean sculpt - and both a bit excessive IMO.

sixth_sith
02-06-2013, 06:39 PM
^^ interesting a-dev, I have never seen a clean EB in person but I did initially see some resemblence, or the EB sculpt was copied, but complaints about it tweeked and shrunk and sold as 1/6? :lol

Yeah fergot I hate those chin neck gaps too...so a skinnier neck prolly won't do eet... but I also think the mod would point the neck forward more... it's so straight up like the guy has a metal spine or something :lol

get it... see what I did there...

Gipetto0812
02-06-2013, 06:43 PM
I'm glad I don't see anything wrong with the neck or I'd be as upset as you guys :lol

attom44
02-06-2013, 06:53 PM
BBTS has this for pre-order $419.00 plus $20.00 ship in US... they will have theirs in May. Just po'ed this there. They have 25 more for pre-order. If you looking for this not a bad price at all.. Plus the few extra months takes the heat off the other figures coming Mar. and Apr.

sixth_sith
02-06-2013, 06:56 PM
I'm glad I don't see anything wrong with the neck or I'd be as upset as you guys :lol

Gipetto0812, your optomism has made me take a pause...

How about we just bi*ch about the little flap of skin under his ear and say the head should sink in another half a cm down onto the neck?

I can live with that

Gipetto0812
02-06-2013, 07:02 PM
BBTS has this for pre-order $419.00 plus $20.00 ship in US... they will have theirs in May. Just po'ed this there. They have 25 more for pre-order. If you looking for this not a bad price at all.. Plus the few extra months takes the heat off the other figures coming Mar. and Apr.
Think you're talking about the Enterbay version not the HT one

Gipetto0812, your optomism has made me take a pause...

How about we just bi*ch about the little flap of skin under his ear and say the head should sink in another half a cm down onto the neck?

I can live with that

Now that I will agree is an eye sore And have been trying to think of a way to get rid of it w/o messing with the PERS

sixth_sith
02-08-2013, 01:22 PM
So just regarding prototype pics and in hand pics...

When I saw proto pics for DX10... I was like WTF is that...

Obviously with a production sculpt it changes a little bit.... for the better in this case for sure!

So when we look at the DX13 proto pics... we are actually seeing finished product! They are just using DX10 heads to destroy into BD heads... that's why the proto pics look so much like the DX10.

Now here's why I bring this up. Some of the other fellas are predicting an early release...

To me it's just a question of what they made the first round... meaning did they make thousands of jackets when they made the DX10, and are using those already made for the DX13...

or... does HT just produce enough for each manufacturing...

I do know that the DX13 comes with the MMS117 body, so again, nothing to really remake, they may have them made already and are just painting / destroying things as we speak!

BadMuthaDude
02-08-2013, 01:38 PM
I think the DX13 has the new Arnold body with different arms to allow the broken arm to switch out.

But yeah, people were totally trashing the DX10 sculpt, while praising the DX13 sculpt, not realizing it is the same sculpt. You don't even have to compare the two, just think about the economics and you know it's true.

sixth_sith
02-08-2013, 08:04 PM
ok I get it now.. it's all coming clear. They put the sculpt for the DX10, with the DX13 so you will have to get both for movie accuracy... ha.

sneaky man, sneaky

DEATHASYLUM
02-08-2013, 08:09 PM
ok I get it now.. it's all coming clear. They put the sculpt for the DX10, with the DX13 so you will have to get both for movie accuracy... ha.

sneaky man, sneaky

They had to update Arnie with the DX10 to compliment the new DX13. It was a much needed upgrade and they will look fantastic together. I think the MMS is showing its age in the HS area, but that figure still looks better standing next to the Sarah Connor figure imo. I hope they just update all of them. :pray:

a-dev
02-08-2013, 08:13 PM
They had to update Arnie with the DX10 to compliment the new DX13. It was a much needed upgrade and they will look fantastic together. I think the MMS is showing its age in the HS area, but that figure still looks better standing next to the Sarah Connor figure imo. I hope they just update all of them. :pray:

I'm not sure that they've advanced very much in their female sculpts. I don't think a Sarah they'd give us today would be any better than the old ones really.

sixth_sith
02-08-2013, 08:18 PM
They had to update Arnie with the DX10 to compliment the new DX13. It was a much needed upgrade and they will look fantastic together. I think the MMS is showing its age in the HS area, but that figure still looks better standing next to the Sarah Connor figure imo. I hope they just update all of them. :pray:

yeah but I just mean they separated it into 2 figures, so you'll need to get both if you want all the parts...

MMS for SURE needed upgrading but a little BD could have come with DX10, or 2 sculpts like luke.

VintijDroidGutzz
02-08-2013, 08:28 PM
I'm not sure that they've advanced very much in their female sculpts. I don't think a Sarah they'd give us today would be any better than the old ones really.
Surely they're not going to be using rubber for the arms anymore though, right? :huh

That last round of Sarah Connors (T-1000/Sarah?) was a QC nightmare waiting to drop from the outset.

a-dev
02-08-2013, 08:37 PM
Surely they're not going to be using rubber for the arms anymore though, right? :huh

That last round of Sarah Connors (T-1000/Sarah?) was a QC nightmare waiting to drop from the outset.

I was thinking more about the headsculpt but the body itself..I dunno, what have they been using on recent female figures? Sarah is the only one I've ever had.

VintijDroidGutzz
02-08-2013, 08:42 PM
They're all basically jointed plastic bodies now - with the exception of the upper torso area in some cases perhaps, being a slightly softer composite type plastic material.

DEATHASYLUM
02-08-2013, 08:43 PM
I'm not sure that they've advanced very much in their female sculpts. I don't think a Sarah they'd give us today would be any better than the old ones really.

I disagree. The new HT Black Widow sculpt looks dam good. A new Sarah to match the DX Arnies would look awesome.

a-dev
02-08-2013, 08:49 PM
They're all basically jointed plastic bodies now - with the exception of the upper torso area in some cases perhaps, being a slightly softer composite type plastic material.

Do they have exposed arms? For some reason the likes of Babydoll and Amber just aren't springing in front of my minds eye.

One thing I hate about Sarah's body is the flimsy as **** joints. She can't stand for $h!t, her legs just buckle underneath her own weight.


I disagree. The new HT Black Widow sculpt looks dam good. A new Sarah to match the DX Arnies would look awesome.

Hey, I'd be down for a new one if they think they could do it better, particularly if it came with a Pescadero outfit this time.

As for Black Widow, nah I don't think she looks anymore like Scarjo than either Sarah figure looks like Linda Hamilton.

DEATHASYLUM
02-08-2013, 08:56 PM
Well, I agree about the Hamilton sculpts, but I'm liking the BW one. :wink1:

a-dev
02-08-2013, 09:01 PM
Well, I agree about the Hamilton sculpts, but I'm liking the BW one. :wink1:

I see. And I suppose you think you're entitled to that opinion.:tap :wink1:

VintijDroidGutzz
02-08-2013, 09:02 PM
Do they have exposed arms? For some reason the likes of Babydoll and Amber just aren't springing in front of my minds eye.
Yeah, exposed joints. The elbows are either the newer ball type joints, or (not so often at all now I think) double jointed elbow joints.

I agree with you on the BW figure too - it's a weird likeness. Sometimes it looks like Naomi Watts, others have said Nicole Kidman or Natalie Portman - although I don't see the latter two personally.

DEATHASYLUM
02-08-2013, 09:04 PM
I see. And I suppose you think you're entitled to that opinion.:tap :wink1:

:nana: Hey, aren't you supose to be saving up for a wedding? :wave :rotfl

a-dev
02-08-2013, 09:05 PM
Yeah, exposed joints. The elbows are either the newer ball type joints, or (not so often at all now I think) double jointed elbow joints.

I agree with you on the BW figure too - it's a weird likeness. Sometimes it looks like Naomi Watts, others have said Nicole Kidman or Natalie Portman - although I don't see the latter two personally.

What I see is HT ''idealising'' the sculpt again. Scarjo had puppy fat in that film, both in her face and her overall bodyshape - and she looked just as well for it. If the figure doesn't reflect that it instantly looks less like her than it should even before you get to the particulars of the facial features. But no, HT has this idea that all females have to be superslim with giant breasts, that their customers would only buy a female figure which conformed to that and so thats what they're sticking to. Yeah I know, I sound like Starpuffs there.