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Invictus Sol
11-19-2012, 08:27 PM
Yeah, I'd love a police assault T1 T-800. I just can't abide his '80s graffiti t-shirt in the scenes leading up to it and think the leather biker jacket looks way better, too. Just hope they make his elbows double-jointed if they do make one, though.

Voorhees27
11-19-2012, 08:41 PM
I remember those shots, a-dev. Amazing work buddy :clap

a-dev
11-19-2012, 08:44 PM
I remember those shots, a-dev. Amazing work buddy :clap

Thank you sir! :)

Gonna have to retake them all with DX10 (no still don't have) and my improved body for the Sarah Connor figure.

Voorhees27
11-19-2012, 08:46 PM
Where are you gonna end up getting it from?

Valfar
11-19-2012, 08:47 PM
Hats off to whomever built that custom dio.

a-dev
11-19-2012, 08:52 PM
Hats off to whomever built that custom dio.

Maxx Replicas built it up to and including the part of the elevator with the wall controls. I finished off the elevator and built the ceiling. It wasn't a deliberate collaboration, he made it for Vialli who then had to sell. I bought it off Vialli and decided I really wanted the rest of that elevator finished.

Invictus Sol
11-19-2012, 08:58 PM
Checking out those pics really makes me wish HT would release dioramas of such quality. Just elevates (no pun intended...) the display so much. Great job, a-dev.

a-dev
11-19-2012, 09:01 PM
Checking out those pics really makes me wish HT would release dioramas of such quality. Just elevates (no pun intended...) the display so much. Great job, a-dev.

Its another reason I want to ultimately back out of all collecting other than Terminator. I'd like to commission more dioramas for my figures - and despite my work on finishing the elevator most stuff would be beyond me.

The Skull
11-19-2012, 09:30 PM
Its another reason I want to ultimately back out of all collecting other than Terminator. I'd like to commission more dioramas for my figures - and despite my work on finishing the elevator most stuff would be beyond me.

I will admit ever since getting the dx10 it has focused my collecting alot, I sometimes veer off to strange places sometimes(I'm looking at you fat steven seagal figure):lol I plan to keep things more focused going forward, outside of terminator I'm still getting the amazing spiderman figure cause I'm a big spidey fan, but I also currently have hulk, soild snake, and major bludd on po and those might get canceled at some point, not sure. I'm not silly enought to think I can just stick to terminator but I have cut the dark knight rises figures already so thats a start.

As far as dioramas go I love yours btw I like small ones for my collection personnally cause I have no nice way to display large dio's and prefer my collection to be displayed in glass cabinets as not to become ubtrusive to my home decor.......don't want to have to explain to my wife why theres a section of a mental hospital on the coffee table:panic::lol

Mr. EcKo
11-19-2012, 09:34 PM
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack , i need the DX10 , selling a bunch of Predators to fund it . Lets go , grab em now

a-dev
11-19-2012, 09:38 PM
I will admit ever since getting the dx10 it has focused my collecting alot, I sometimes veer off to strange places sometimes(I'm looking at you fat steven seagal figure):lol I plan to keep things more focused going forward, outside of terminator I'm still getting the amazing spiderman figure cause I'm a big spidey fan, but I also currently have hulk, soild snake, and major bludd on po and those might get canceled at some point, not sure. I'm not silly enought to think I can just stick to terminator but I have cut the dark knight rises figures already so thats a start.

As far as dioramas go I love yours btw I like small ones for my collection personnally cause I have no nice way to display large dio's and prefer my collection to be displayed in glass cabinets as not to become ubtrusive to my home decor.......don't want to have to explain to my wife why theres a section of a mental hospital on the coffee table:panic::lol


:lol

You know I just couldn't pass on that dio when Vialli put it up for sale. Size and obtrusiveness mattered not.

I took a bit of a step tonight in reducing to just Terminator - cancelled DX11 Joker - I may yet get him in the future because he's pretty iconic and I still haven't totally given up on having a few classics outside of Terminator. But that list I put up earlier today frightened me. A lot of Terminator and Robocop stuff, not even accounting for the multiples I'd ideally like.

Gipetto0812
11-19-2012, 09:40 PM
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13648
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13649
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13650
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13651
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13652
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13653
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13654
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13632
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/fo...ostcount=13633

Can never get enough of these pics man! so awesome! :clap


Maxx Replicas built it up to and including the part of the elevator with the wall controls. I finished off the elevator and built the ceiling. It wasn't a deliberate collaboration, he made it for Vialli who then had to sell. I bought it off Vialli and decided I really wanted the rest of that elevator finished.
Maxx really has a way with light and dios. his Tron dios are the bees-knees

highlander1
11-19-2012, 09:44 PM
I think these 2 will end up being a couple of my faves to own...I love the t1000 and the terminators released before but will be interesting if do the whole line up in dx mode.....I know sarah could be improved a bit but hope we get them all redone again. 1ST terminator ,sarah, t1000 and some endoskeletons from t1 and t2

highlander1
11-19-2012, 09:45 PM
Very cool dio a-dev again very cool set of pics......

a-dev
11-19-2012, 09:50 PM
Thanks guys. I just realised that the first link I gave wasn't the full 'overview of the dio' but rather the original dio as Maxx Replica's built it before I added my part to it. Went back and edited my post.

The Skull
11-19-2012, 09:52 PM
:lol

You know I just couldn't pass on that dio when Vialli put it up for sale. Size and obtrusiveness mattered not.

I took a bit of a step tonight in reducing to just Terminator - cancelled DX11 Joker - I may yet get him in the future because he's pretty iconic and I still haven't totally given up on having a few classics outside of Terminator. But that list I put up earlier today frightened me. A lot of Terminator and Robocop stuff, not even accounting for the multiples I'd ideally like.

The dio is sick and if anyone should own it it should be you:hi5: I went looking for your list but got lazy after a few pages and gave up, was it in this thread? I remember seeing it but don't remember what was on it aside from the dx13, dx10, and the enterbay 1/4 bd, I have avoided the 1/4 scale stuff so far cause of cost and space but I cannot denie they do look epic but 1:6 is good enough for me.

kajobaldisimo
11-19-2012, 09:55 PM
it would be so nice to have a 1/6 sarah connor and a teen john connor displayed with this beauty.

a-dev
11-19-2012, 09:58 PM
The dio is sick and if anyone should own it it should be you:hi5: I went looking for your list but got lazy after a few pages and gave up, was it in this thread? I remember seeing it but don't remember what was on it aside from the dx13, dx10, and the enterbay 1/4 bd, I have avoided the 1/4 scale stuff so far cause of cost and space but I cannot denie they do look epic but 1:6 is good enough for me.

Thanks Skull :1-1:

Yeah, all the Terminator stuff:

DX10
DX13
HT 1:4 endo
EB 1:4 BD T-800
EB 1:4 endo
HT 1:4 Police Shootout T-800

and

Robocop
ED-209
Cain
Oh and EB 1:4 Robocop if that ever happens

I wish I had your resistance on the 1:4 stuff, I commend you sir, but I can't help myself. I want it.

TheFiend
11-19-2012, 10:07 PM
:lol

You know I just couldn't pass on that dio when Vialli put it up for sale. Size and obtrusiveness mattered not.

I took a bit of a step tonight in reducing to just Terminator - cancelled DX11 Joker - I may yet get him in the future because he's pretty iconic and I still haven't totally given up on having a few classics outside of Terminator. But that list I put up earlier today frightened me. A lot of Terminator and Robocop stuff, not even accounting for the multiples I'd ideally like.

Ouch. I bet that was tough.

The Skull
11-19-2012, 10:07 PM
Thanks Skull :1-1:

Yeah, all the Terminator stuff:

DX10
DX13
HT 1:4 endo
EB 1:4 BD T-800
EB 1:4 endo
HT 1:4 Police Shootout T-800

and

Robocop
ED-209
Cain
Oh and EB 1:4 Robocop if that ever happens

I wish I had your resistance on the 1:4 stuff, I commend you sir, but I can't help myself. I want it.

Well the good news is alot of that stuff has'nt even gone up for PO yet so aleast you got alot of time to save:wink1: Don't get me wrong I want it to and if money were no object they would be mine, I came soooooooo close to ordering the first enterbay t800 at one point if it were in-stock at that time I would own it today, but when I finally caved they were all sold out:monkey2 I do have a giant arnold figure though from my childhood, I still have my commando figure from the mid 80's in the garage:lol

DiFabio
11-19-2012, 10:24 PM
I'm about to cancel the DX 12 and the Batpod so I can splurge on Terminators, especially this one. I keep trying to convince myself that they both turned out alright and look good, but deep down I know they don't. $500 for the two of them seems like a waste.

Won't cancel the DX 11 Joker though. It looks way too nice to cancel, plus I put money on it already and got the exclusive. I'm pretty excited for it even though I already have a crap ton of Jokers. If it's Jack Joker or Ledger Joker, I'm buying it, just like I do with Terminator. Thankfully I have absolutely no interest in TDKR Cratwimmin and Bain. **** them. Money saved.

I was going to get Bespin Luke and a few other releases, but **** it. I've got to focus on Terminator and the upcoming Batman Returns and Robocop offerings.

That'll be my focus,

- Terminator (all)
- Batman Returns
- Robocop

The '89 Batmobile is a done deal since I put money on it.

marker2037
11-19-2012, 10:41 PM
Bespin Luke is a true joy to own...But I can see why you would hold off on him.

Stick to your list if that makes you happiest.

cokebabies
11-19-2012, 11:10 PM
I'm looking at the pictures whilst lay in bed. Pitching a tent. :lol


Can we see pics!? :)

Weirdo .

Dutch
11-19-2012, 11:33 PM
Is it just me, or did they do a better job on the neck for this body? It looks much more realistic and lifelike in the anatomy than MMS117 or DX10 look.

I noticed that to.

Seeing these hi res pics makes me think I'll have to buy two DX13. My wallet will not be looking forward to that.

Though I think I'll stick with just the one DX10, and leave it in the cyberdine mini gun look.

KneelBeforrSmallville
11-20-2012, 12:22 AM
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4032757&postcount=38[/url]

Scene recreations:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679454&postcount=13648
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679459&postcount=13649
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679460&postcount=13650
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679464&postcount=13651
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679467&postcount=13652
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679471&postcount=13653
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679475&postcount=13654
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4670846&postcount=13632
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4670850&postcount=13633

.

Dude! AWESOME!!:thud:

You should do a stop motion video or somthing

Cant wait to see the steel mill Dio, Hopefully they do a John Conner figure! :pray:

TheFiend
11-20-2012, 01:41 AM
I'm about to cancel the DX 12 and the Batpod so I can splurge on Terminators, especially this one. I keep trying to convince myself that they both turned out alright and look good, but deep down I know they don't. $500 for the two of them seems like a waste.

Won't cancel the DX 11 Joker though. It looks way too nice to cancel, plus I put money on it already and got the exclusive. I'm pretty excited for it even though I already have a crap ton of Jokers. If it's Jack Joker or Ledger Joker, I'm buying it, just like I do with Terminator. Thankfully I have absolutely no interest in TDKR Cratwimmin and Bain. **** them. Money saved.

I was going to get Bespin Luke and a few other releases, but **** it. I've got to focus on Terminator and the upcoming Batman Returns and Robocop offerings.

That'll be my focus,

- Terminator (all)
- Batman Returns
- Robocop

The '89 Batmobile is a done deal since I put money on it.\

Go ahead. That's what I did. I have my Medix and I kept asking myself do I really need this? Especially after the sculpt was such a let down. I kept telling myself Im a big Batman fan and I need it to compliment the Joker etc. Again like you I have zero interest in TDKR so I'm saving money on those other two lame figures. I dunno, I may pick up DX12 for cheap down the road or maybe just the body. I've avoided the DC section as a whole lately.

SepticFlesh
11-20-2012, 01:45 AM
I sold the original Hot toys T-800 the beginning of this year and got quite a bit more than I paid for him to put towards other Sideshow figures.
I had a feeling Hot Toys would eventually redo this figure and looking at the pictures in the first page he looks perfect.
The one thing that bothered me a little bit about the original T-800 was that something was just off about the face...almost as if Arnold's chin was pushed up too much causing his face to look rounder than what it is supposed to. Obviously this new version has fixed that problem.
I can already feel my wallet burning.

Lejuan
11-20-2012, 05:04 AM
On the other hand, it would've added a redemptive component to the narrative - a murderous robot capable of learning the value of human life.


Hmm, I don't know about that (at least not without re-writing the part where John orders him not to kill entirely out of the movie). The film made it pretty clear that he saw no value in human life; only satisfaction that he'd followed his orders (like when he scans the parking lot for fatalities after the Cyberdyne battle). At least that was my take.

The scene where John orders the T-800 not to kill can be left in, that's the point I was making. T-800 enters bar, kills a bunch of bikers 'cause he's a killing machine, then ceases to kill thanks to John's little diatribe. You're right, the T-800 doesn't learn to value human life per se - but even though it's an order he's responding to, it's still a redemption of sorts if he subsequently avoids taking human life throughout the rest of the movie.

Furyan
11-20-2012, 05:11 AM
Did he kill them bikers in that bar? I thought he beat they asses pretty bad but didnt kill em. Hmmm gotta watch it again soon its been awhile,think ima go pick up the bluray this week.

Cap'n Cook
11-20-2012, 05:16 AM
He doesn't kill the bikers.

Sidewinder
11-20-2012, 05:22 AM
This figure looks amazing. I haven't delved into the Terminator line because it's like opening a whole other can of worms, but I think I'm going to have to get this one. Then of course if they do another Sarah and T-1000, I'll have to get those as well.

Furyan
11-20-2012, 05:22 AM
He doesn't kill the bikers.


Oh Lisa Ann my sweet filthy love :monkey5

Johnny Utah
11-20-2012, 05:23 AM
Chucks one through a window, chucks one onto a cooker, breaks another's arm and stabs him through the shoulder, pinning him to the table.

VintijDroidGutzz
11-20-2012, 05:45 AM
Thanks guys. :duff T2 actually shares the record of most theatrical viewings I've ever attended (7) along with Star Wars: A New Hope (though five were of the SE) and FOTR.

I just couldn't get enough and went and saw it with multiple friends and family members. Here's one of my old ticket stubs I just scanned in for the sake of this thread:

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l27/kevlamb74/T21991.jpg

Wow, $3.50! The wife and I went and caught a double feature of Twilight/Skyfall this past weekend and it set us back $122 including babysitter, wine (in the over 21 balcony) popcorn and coke. :horror
Man - that's excellent! :rock

It looks so well kept - I have concert tickets from the early 90s that have completely faded details & text.

Nice one. :)

Lejuan
11-20-2012, 06:00 AM
Did he kill them bikers in that bar? I thought he beat they asses pretty bad but didnt kill em. Hmmm gotta watch it again soon its been awhile,think ima go pick up the bluray this week.


He doesn't kill the bikers.

:lecture no, he doesn't kill anyone. The point I'm making is that it wouldn't have hurt the narrative if he had.

P.
11-20-2012, 06:18 AM
there was a question in this thread once about scenes that were absent in a short movie version.
somebody here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/synopsis) worked and lined all deleted scenes with red.
though i don't see there a scene about T-1000 scanning John's room with his palms, for example.

joebizz34
11-20-2012, 06:48 AM
there was a question in this thread once about scenes that were absent in a short movie version.
somebody here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/synopsis) worked and lined all deleted scenes with red.
though i don't see there a scene about T-1000 scanning John's room with his palms, for example.

I've seen that scene where the T1000 is scanning John's room. It was a deleted scene that wasn't added in the film. Not even the extended version where they show the chip removal and stuff.

To be honest I enjoy the theater version better. The movie was long enough and with the added scenes it makes the movie drag a bit in spots IMO. The chip removal scene in general I feel brings the movie to a halt for too long.

P.
11-20-2012, 06:52 AM
I've seen that scene where the T1000 is scanning John's room. It was a deleted scene that wasn't added in the film. Not even the extended version where they show the chip removal and stuff.???
i have it in my movie. the file is 02:36:08 long.

Shinji
11-20-2012, 06:59 AM
???
i have it in my movie. the file is 02:36:08 long.

i got the ultimate edition. when does the scene start? i got the scene in the deleted scenes section but not in the movie.

joebizz34
11-20-2012, 07:06 AM
???
i have it in my movie. the file is 02:36:08 long.

There may be different edits in other countries. However here in the US that scene was not included in any commercially released version as far as I know.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 07:12 AM
There may be different edits in other countries. However here in the US that scene was not included in any commercially released version as far as I know.

Nor in the UK and Ireland as far as I know. Although I only ever bought that first Ultimate Edition release. That T-1000 scene and the alternate ending were only in the extras...kind of hard to find in the extras actually.

P.
11-20-2012, 07:14 AM
i must check now. maybe it's a mind's game.
ok i checked. it starts right after T-1000 kills the barking dog. then he goes to John's room, checks walls, finds photos, lists them. then without any pause there is a photo of pseudo-1984 T-800 shown to Sarah.
it starts at 0:44:44 in my version. i guess it was artificially & unofficially mounted into the movie :)
attachments were automatically shrunk, i guess.
p.s. also found where that round closer of a chip actually was. its edge was just on the border between hair and skin. DX10 has it several cm too far back (in actual scale, not 1/6). no screenshot for that, too lazy.

MagnumOpus
11-20-2012, 07:17 AM
I think all of the cut scenes are brilliant except the alternate ending...

Johnny Utah
11-20-2012, 07:31 AM
I only watch the SE. T-1000 scanning John's room was deleted because Cameron respected the audience's intelligence, that they would get the mimetic thing by then.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 07:32 AM
One thing I don't get is why the T-800 doesn't know what crying and smiling are. Surely such basic stuff has got to be covered by his 'detailed files'. Presumably he knows about human tear ducts and their function for keeping the eyes wet etc. So WTF?!!

I would have had him just not understand why John was crying or in what situations to smile.

Solarsailor
11-20-2012, 07:43 AM
One thing I don't get is why the T-800 doesn't know what crying and smiling are. Surely such basic stuff has got to be covered by his 'detailed files'. Presumably he knows about human tear ducts and their function for keeping the eyes wet etc. So WTF?!!

I would have had him just not understand why John was crying or in what situations to smile.

Well if you think of it from a robots world - why do humans have to keep their eye's wet?

It's like explaining love, you can't, not even we as humans understand that.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 07:54 AM
Well if you think of it from a robots world - why do humans have to keep their eye's wet?

It's like explaining love, you can't, not even we as humans understand that.

Keeping the eyes wet is a pretty important bodily function and has nothing to do with emotions so I think the T-800 should know about that especially since he himself probably has some means of keeping his human eyes wet.

P.
11-20-2012, 08:00 AM
One thing I don't get is why the T-800 doesn't know what crying and smiling are. Surely such basic stuff has got to be covered by his 'detailed files'. Presumably he knows about human tear ducts and their function for keeping the eyes wet etc. So WTF?!! he might know the construction but did not understand the functional bugs.
you see, it's not normal to pour tears in amount of crying. what's wrong with your eye-oil ducts, he asks according to your version. they should not leak that bad, let's fix them with some tape and glue :)

TheFiend
11-20-2012, 08:31 AM
Yeah, that always got to me too. Another one, even a bigger one I think, is after John tells him he can't go around killing people he asks "Why?" I would think Skynet would at least try to keep a low profile if possible. It doesn't show of course with all the **** being blown up but you would think that would be basic. You don't kill people( outside a threat or target) in 1991 because its illegal etc.

Sent from my LG-E739 using Tapatalk 2

karamazov80
11-20-2012, 08:40 AM
Of course, we can find these nits if we look for them. But Cameron said early on that you have to take a lot of the stuff in these things with a grain of salt. The fact is, he makes them realistic enough that the audience isn't sitting there questioning things constantly as the movie progresses. What happens makes sense in the universe that he has constructed. We come along for the ride, and enjoy it because the films are really masterfully crafted (T1 and T2, that is). But the most basic premise of T1 is pretty odd--you send an infiltration robot disguised as a human, yet have him look like Mr. Universe so that there is no way he would really go unnoticed. But it is for the good of the movie, so we roll with it.

The problem with movies like the Star Wars prequels is that the unnatural behaviors, logical inconsistencies, etc. work in such a way that viewers are taken out of the film and can't enjoy it. Cameron doesn't make that mistake.

BadMuthaDude
11-20-2012, 08:52 AM
^ Yes. You'll find many flaws in all stories if you're looking, but it's not about that. It's about entertainment. It's best not to dwell on the fine details.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 09:23 AM
he might know the construction but did not understand the functional bugs.
you see, it's not normal to pour tears in amount of crying. what's wrong with your eye-oil ducts, he asks according to your version. they should not leak that bad, let's fix them with some tape and glue :)

I suppose 'whats wrong with your eyes?' could be interpreted as 'whats wrong with your tear ducts?', I dunno.


Yeah, that always got to me too. Another one, even a bigger one I think, is after John tells him he can't go around killing people he asks "Why?" I would think Skynet would at least try to keep a low profile if possible. It doesn't show of course with all the **** being blown up but you would think that would be basic. You don't kill people( outside a threat or target) in 1991 because its illegal etc.

Sent from my LG-E739 using Tapatalk 2

True. Killing just anyone leaves a trail that could be followed by meddlesome police or say, a T-1000. So it doesn't really make sense for him to kill the jocks simply because hes a Terminator.


Of course, we can find these nits if we look for them. But Cameron said early on that you have to take a lot of the stuff in these things with a grain of salt. The fact is, he makes them realistic enough that the audience isn't sitting there questioning things constantly as the movie progresses. What happens makes sense in the universe that he has constructed. We come along for the ride, and enjoy it because the films are really masterfully crafted (T1 and T2, that is). But the most basic premise of T1 is pretty odd--you send an infiltration robot disguised as a human, yet have him look like Mr. Universe so that there is no way he would really go unnoticed. But it is for the good of the movie, so we roll with it.

The problem with movies like the Star Wars prequels is that the unnatural behaviors, logical inconsistencies, etc. work in such a way that viewers are taken out of the film and can't enjoy it. Cameron doesn't make that mistake.

Also true. Particularly the last bit. Add Indy 4 as guilty of that in bold.

FDS
11-20-2012, 10:23 AM
Thanks for answer.

FDS
11-20-2012, 10:24 AM
It's actually $314.99 MSRP for both. Sideshow just advertised it as $304.99 + $10 flat fee shipping for the exclusive to make it look more enticing to buy from them I suppose :lol

Thanks for answer.

S. Griffin
11-20-2012, 11:38 AM
But are you saying that some of the details of the actual endoskull are wrong?This part...

http://www.yourprops.com/movieprops/original/yp4fbd1be2e4c058.05360431/Terminator-800-Battle-Damaged-1-1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wiiiQ.jpg


but that part is not a wrong endoskeleton part, it's a wrong flesh wound shape :)

It's both. The piston for the jaw is the wrong shape and it's missing the sort of "C" shaped hinge thing.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 12:21 PM
Other than that though I love the look of the endoskull and the eye.

Bowzer
11-20-2012, 12:23 PM
Scene recreations:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679454&postcount=13648
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679459&postcount=13649
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679460&postcount=13650
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679464&postcount=13651
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679467&postcount=13652
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679471&postcount=13653
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679475&postcount=13654
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4670846&postcount=13632
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4670850&postcount=13633

:panic: This is awesome

S. Griffin
11-20-2012, 12:38 PM
Other than that though I love the look of the endoskull and the eye.

I do like the fact that eye looks like it has a lot of space around it...something that was impossible with Arnold's prosthetic. It's pretty much the only bit of "artistic license" that I actually prefer.

Jackhepburn
11-20-2012, 01:01 PM
I have to say, despite loving this figure and breaking my rule to get it, I'm fairly disappointed in the full BD head. The eye has a great lack of detail and the forehead damage just doesn't look right to me.

S. Griffin
11-20-2012, 01:08 PM
The forehead damage isn't right...the same with most of the damage on that head. Does it look good? Sure, but I suppose that's arguable. Is it accurate? No.

EndoSickness
11-20-2012, 01:58 PM
Original dio before I added my part to it: http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4032757&postcount=38

Scene recreations:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679454&postcount=13648
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679459&postcount=13649
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679460&postcount=13650
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679464&postcount=13651
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679467&postcount=13652
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679471&postcount=13653
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4679475&postcount=13654
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4670846&postcount=13632
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4670850&postcount=13633



God, totally forgot about that, Andrew.
Still love it, just looked through it.
All the poses you recreated 100%.
Quality stuff right there...

:rock
:clap

P.
11-20-2012, 01:59 PM
I suppose 'whats wrong with your eyes?' could be interpreted as 'whats wrong with your tear ducts?', I dunno.well... after you put it that way, the alternate explanation really looks fake.
if that was the case, he'd ask "why are your eyes pouring liquid too much", not "what's happening at all".
so you're right, and "i have detailed files on human anatomy" joined with "what's wrong with your eyes" is a bug/mistake.


It's both. The piston for the jaw is the wrong shape and it's missing the sort of "C" shaped hinge thing.i see. i guess i'll have a blind spot for that place to ignore it )

a-dev
11-20-2012, 02:00 PM
The forehead damage isn't right...the same with most of the damage on that head. Does it look good? Sure, but I suppose that's arguable. Is it accurate? No.

We know the knee damage isn't accurate but I don't think we need complain, pretty easy to understand why they did what they did there. I don't think the chest damage is accurate either from what I can tell. I mean it looks fantastic, probably better than what the real chest damage looked like - but again, like the head, theres a bit too much fleshy gore where there should be exposed endo.

EndoSickness
11-20-2012, 02:03 PM
It's both. The piston for the jaw is the wrong shape and it's missing the sort of "C" shaped hinge thing.

Right, but only saw that after you pointed that out...

Great eyes, guys...but still...it looks amazing...

a-dev
11-20-2012, 02:09 PM
well... after you put it that way, the alternate explanation really looks fake.
if that was the case, he'd ask "why are your eyes pouring liquid too much", not "what's happening at all".
so you're right, and "i have detailed files on human anatomy" joined with "what's wrong with your eyes" is a bug/mistake.

i see. i guess i'll have a blind spot for that place to ignore it )

Just one of those lil things. T1 probably has stuff like that we could point out too.


God, totally forgot about that, Andrew.
Still love it, just looked through it.
All the poses you recreated 100%.
Quality stuff right there...

:rock
:clap

:hi5:

Imagine if I shipped the whole lot to Maulfan for him to take his shots. I'd replace the MMS117 with DX10 though.

EndoSickness
11-20-2012, 02:12 PM
:hi5:

Imagine if I shipped the whole lot to Maulfan for him to take his shots. I'd replace the MMS117 with DX10 though.

:thud:
Dude, I already cried and passed out after I set up my new shelf with my CURRENT set of Terminator figs and lighting and all was done.
You canīt do this to me.
:rotfl
Sean prolly wouldīve taken this to...like...Terminator 2.5 by the quality of his pics.
:lol
:hi5:

MaulFan
11-20-2012, 02:25 PM
Imagine if I shipped the whole lot to Maulfan for him to take his shots. I'd replace the MMS117 with DX10 though.

That would be a lot of fun, and I appreciate the support of my photos, your sets show a very thorough recreation same as I'd approach it. If I get this HT figure, I will end up wishing I still had the others, no T-1000 fight shots, but still a grail figure.

Jackhepburn
11-20-2012, 03:08 PM
That would be a lot of fun, and I appreciate the support of my photos, your sets show a very thorough recreation same as I'd approach it. If I get this HT figure, I will end up wishing I still had the others, no T-1000 fight shots, but still a grail figure.

I have to say, if there's anyone who can do a figure justice with a camera, it's you. Despite the fact I'm actually getting this myself I'm looking forward to seeing your photos :)

Tyler
11-20-2012, 03:12 PM
Not once did I consider the DX10. Just couldn't see anything about it I liked or wanted.

This one however is amazing. I had to order 2 so I can have both stages of damage on the shelf.

Can't wait.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 03:24 PM
That would be a lot of fun, and I appreciate the support of my photos, your sets show a very thorough recreation same as I'd approach it. If I get this HT figure, I will end up wishing I still had the others, no T-1000 fight shots, but still a grail figure.

Actually it was your own Pescadero photo series that inspired me to try my hand at the same thing. I expect you'd have gotten the lighting more like the film and each shot framed and presented better but I impressed myself nevertheless.

Perhaps you should make room in your budget to buy back the T-1000. Or who knows, maybe they'll re-do him as an actual DX.

Jackhepburn
11-20-2012, 03:38 PM
I think the T-1000 is probably the best non-dx T2 figure out there. I think the likeness is really good as is and the only thing that seems to be non-dx about the first release was the lack of PERS.

highlander1
11-20-2012, 04:07 PM
I'd be interested if they do a t1000 dx if we would get as much as last offering if not exact same except with 2 full figures with pers.

Mr. EcKo
11-20-2012, 04:12 PM
I'd be interested if they do a t1000 dx if we would get as much as last offering if not exact same except with 2 full figures with pers.

and a frozen version , melted version , all prop like statues :exactly:

a-dev
11-20-2012, 04:14 PM
I guess this is how I see a DX T-1000 coming out:

The galleria/Pescadero look again but now with a PERS head and maybe the fully split head as an alternate.

And a second figure in the same set - liquid nitrogen T-1000 (especially now that we're finally getting a Hasta La Vista T-800).


The only other stuff is the split-down side version (wish I had a better name to call that) and the exploded version but those would be very unconventional figures so thats why I think the above is more likely....if they were to revisit the T-1000.

highlander1
11-20-2012, 06:00 PM
I want and will post on thier fb page asking if will revisit the t1000 and sarah along with pleading for a edward furlong john is much needed to complete this amazing set ....either way I will have me a t1000 in 2013 sometime......

The Skull
11-20-2012, 06:54 PM
I want and will post on thier fb page asking if will revisit the t1000 and sarah along with pleading for a edward furlong john is much needed to complete this amazing set ....either way I will have me a t1000 in 2013 sometime......

Am I the only one who does'nt want another t-1000 or sarah conner, I thought the ones they already made were really nice. John Conner though would be nice, But a new endoskeletion is whats really needed, and long overdue imo not sarah or t1000.

krec9
11-20-2012, 07:17 PM
Am I the only one who does'nt want another t-1000 or sarah conner, I thought the ones they already made were really nice. John Conner though would be nice, But a new endoskeletion is whats really needed, and long overdue imo not sarah or t1000.

Whats long overdue is a battle damaged t800 from t1.

also wouldn't mind this

http://images.wikia.com/terminator/images/b/bc/T800_PoliceStation.jpg

MaulFan
11-20-2012, 07:23 PM
I have to say, if there's anyone who can do a figure justice with a camera, it's you. Despite the fact I'm actually getting this myself I'm looking forward to seeing your photos :)

Thanks. The way I approach things is, I'm a fan because of the source material, the images, the characters affected me so much, they make me want to own little duplicates of them, and when I take a picture of them, I try to capture all the thoughts and feelings the sources envoke in me with my shots, see the figures in the way that seeing the real thing caught me, it gives me a connection to the movies and such that goes beyond just watching them or buying figures from them.


Actually it was your own Pescadero photo series that inspired me to try my hand at the same thing. I expect you'd have gotten the lighting more like the film and each shot framed and presented better but I impressed myself nevertheless.

Figuring out ways to achieve certain lighting effects is one of the biggest thrills in taking photos like I do. Rather than just have a standard set up, I try to find lighting that suits the subtject. I think the T1 Terminator may be my most favorite figure I've ever shot for the lighting variety, the colors and moods of T1 are quite diverse and challenging to mimic and some of what I achieved with that figure ranks as my personal favorite work.

The Skull
11-20-2012, 07:23 PM
Whats long overdue is a battle damaged t800 from t1.

also wouldn't mind this

http://images.wikia.com/terminator/images/b/bc/T800_PoliceStation.jpg

I would buy that if hot toys made it for sure, but I already bashed one. Would rather have a awesome chromed endosketeton, when oh when will they put it up for PO:impatient:

Mr. EcKo
11-20-2012, 07:28 PM
Am I the only one who does'nt want another t-1000 or sarah conner, I thought the ones they already made were really nice. John Conner though would be nice, But a new endoskeletion is whats really needed, and long overdue imo not sarah or t1000.

Yup , i wants a young call To John Connor :exactly:

Silasya77
11-20-2012, 07:29 PM
Even though the endoskull detail isn't accurate on the figure, it surely looks more realistic than the prosthetics used in the movie. I like how it actually looks like the skull is underneath the gore and skin. Of course, I equated the look in the movie as his skull getting bashed by the T-1000 (which is why the pistons were outside) but the look of the figure is awesome.

highlander1
11-20-2012, 07:39 PM
I like the original t1000 and has ton of goodies he come's with but him and sarah i think could be improved upon .I posted on hot toys fb page hoping and asking if will revisit some of the characters and asking for a edward furlong figure sometime .I also wouldnt mind a DYSON figure sometime. any way super stoked for both of the arnie dx release's,.......

a-dev
11-20-2012, 07:43 PM
Am I the only one who does'nt want another t-1000 or sarah conner, I thought the ones they already made were really nice. John Conner though would be nice, But a new endoskeletion is whats really needed, and long overdue imo not sarah or t1000.

As if I need to say it, I'll take whatever they make. I won't say no to redoes especially if they expand even further our already great display options. Frozen T-1000, fully split T-1000 headsculpt, a T-1000 head with PERS, young John Connor, Kyle Reese- oh wait, heres a word from Gary Oldman:

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Funnies/Gary-Oldman-Yelling-Everyone-Leon-The-Professional.gif




Figuring out ways to achieve certain lighting effects is one of the biggest thrills in taking photos like I do. Rather than just have a standard set up, I try to find lighting that suits the subtject. I think the T1 Terminator may be my most favorite figure I've ever shot for the lighting variety, the colors and moods of T1 are quite diverse and challenging to mimic and some of what I achieved with that figure ranks as my personal favorite work.

Absolutely. I hunted down your T1 pics again recently and reposted links in the MMS136 thread actually. Those were pretty definitive shots of that figure, and an exactness of posing from the film that I really loved and tried to go for with my Pescadero scenes. It was tough matching MMS117 up to the film though, the experience kinda lowered my opinion of that figure actually, and it was already lower than most other people's. It really looked off in the head and body.

highlander1
11-20-2012, 07:50 PM
Damn forgot to tell them to MAKE reese for us .....:thud: Would love to see the ALIENS MARINE's revisited will make sure to post that too.....

The Skull
11-20-2012, 07:51 PM
[QUOTE=a-dev;5067307]As if I need to say it, I'll take whatever they make. I won't say no to redoes especially if they expand even further our already great display options. Frozen T-1000, fully split T-1000 headsculpt, a T-1000 head with PERS, young John Connor, Kyle Reese- oh wait, heres a word from Gary Oldman:

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Funnies/Gary-Oldman-Yelling-Everyone-Leon-The-Professional.gif

:lol So true, I don't mind if they remake the t1000 or sarah, however it should be after we get the figures we did'nt get first, a police shootout t1, bd t1, those could be made into one dx package maybe, kyle reese, little john conner and most of all a new chromed out endoskeleton.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 07:56 PM
:lol So true, I don't mind if they remake the t1000 or sarah, however it should be after we get the figures we did'nt get first, a police shootout t1, bd t1, those could be made into one dx package maybe, kyle reese, little john conner and most of all a new chromed out endoskeleton.

Problem with that plan is they will lose a bunch of people if they put out only the most hotly demanded figures first, leaving redoes and tougher-sell characters till last.

Damn, look at us. BD T-800 finally gets shown and we're right back to the early MMS117 days of speculation on what may come. For all we know they'll stop the line again for another 2 years after this!

highlander1
11-20-2012, 07:56 PM
On off topic tip i have noticed or searched on ebay you can pick up furlongs 1/6 dirtbike pretty cheap if they ever make him.

Mr. EcKo
11-20-2012, 07:57 PM
On off topic i have noticed or searched on ebay you can pick up furlongs 1/6 dirtbike pretty cheap if they ever make him.

Pretty sure HT will include that with such a small child figure

a-dev
11-20-2012, 07:58 PM
On off topic i have noticed or searched on ebay you can pick up furlongs 1/6 dirtbike pretty cheap if they ever make him.

Any link to such a thing?

highlander1
11-20-2012, 08:00 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RAY-2010-HONDA-CRF450R-1-6-DIRT-BIKE-NEW-49203-/290782949259?pt=Action_Figures_Diecast_US&hash=item43b403af8b
here's a link sir.

highlander1
11-20-2012, 08:02 PM
There's a few other type's but think could work well and most likely cheaper before hot toys include's one.

MaulFan
11-20-2012, 08:05 PM
Absolutely. I hunted down your T1 pics again recently and reposted links in the MMS136 thread actually. Those were pretty definitive shots of that figure, and an exactness of posing from the film that I really loved and tried to go for with my Pescadero scenes. It was tough matching MMS117 up to the film though, the experience kinda lowered my opinion of that figure actually, and it was already lower than most other people's. It really looked off in the head and body.

That's why I was so impressed with the Enterbay figure, the head has a few issues, but overall, it's like looking at Arnie, I didn't have to compensate for anything wrong with it, I could just shoot it. MMS117 had it's good and bad angles and lighting, under the wrong conditions it looked pretty rough.

Khev
11-20-2012, 08:05 PM
well... after you put it that way, the alternate explanation really looks fake.
if that was the case, he'd ask "why are your eyes pouring liquid too much", not "what's happening at all".
so you're right, and "i have detailed files on human anatomy" joined with "what's wrong with your eyes" is a bug/mistake.

i see. i guess i'll have a blind spot for that place to ignore it )

I think in the car he should have simply asked "why are you crying?" which is an embarrassing question to ask any 10 year old who's trying to be tough and John's silence would have been appropriate. Then he simply could have asked John again when they were fixing the truck just as it actually played out.

Khev
11-20-2012, 08:07 PM
Of course, we can find these nits if we look for them. But Cameron said early on that you have to take a lot of the stuff in these things with a grain of salt. The fact is, he makes them realistic enough that the audience isn't sitting there questioning things constantly as the movie progresses. What happens makes sense in the universe that he has constructed. We come along for the ride, and enjoy it because the films are really masterfully crafted (T1 and T2, that is). But the most basic premise of T1 is pretty odd--you send an infiltration robot disguised as a human, yet have him look like Mr. Universe so that there is no way he would really go unnoticed. But it is for the good of the movie, so we roll with it.

The problem with movies like the Star Wars prequels is that the unnatural behaviors, logical inconsistencies, etc. work in such a way that viewers are taken out of the film and can't enjoy it. Cameron doesn't make that mistake.

Yep, you don't instantly see the naked T-1000 and say, "hey, that liquid metal terminator is not surrounded by living tissue! How did he appear!??" You don't even think about that until the second, third, or 10th time you watch the movie. I always say if it takes 20 viewings for me to notice a pretty glaring mistake then the director has done his/her job.

MagnumOpus
11-20-2012, 08:11 PM
I know most of you don't like part 3 but if HT did Salvation figures then T3 deserves more. I would like to see T3 Arnold and TX to end my Terminator line:) How about a DX like that:)?

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_t3_3.jpg

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_t3_5.jpg

Khev
11-20-2012, 08:12 PM
Thats pretty cool :thud:


Man - that's excellent! :rock

It looks so well kept - I have concert tickets from the early 90s that have completely faded details & text.

Nice one. :)

Thanks guys. I have a whole collection of vintage movie tickets from the most memorable movies I've seen at the theater, all starting with Terminator 2. I've been saving doubles of the first movies we've taken our daughter to as well (Ponyo, Princess and the Frog, Toy Story 3, Tangled, Madagascar 3, Brave) because I've always thought it'd be awesome to have the tickets of when I saw the original Star Wars films and other movies from back in the day when I was a little kid.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 08:13 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RAY-2010-HONDA-CRF450R-1-6-DIRT-BIKE-NEW-49203-/290782949259?pt=Action_Figures_Diecast_US&hash=item43b403af8b
here's a link sir.

Thanks. I'd probably pass though, just seems no point when John himself is so annoyingly unlikely.


That's why I was so impressed with the Enterbay figure, the head has a few issues, but overall, it's like looking at Arnie, I didn't have to compensate for anything wrong with it, I could just shoot it. MMS117 had it's good and bad angles and lighting, under the wrong conditions it looked pretty rough.

The sculpt looks awful in one of my close-up shots. I left the pic in though because it seemed kind of important in the sequence. I actually tried using the EB sculpt in some closeups but couldn't get it to work. Also, the eyes on the EB aren't great, that damn sleepiness effect that Butters goes on about and I happen to agree with. Arnie's eyes were more open and alert in the Pescadero scenes.


I think in the car he should have simply asked "why are you crying?" which is an embarrassing question to ask any 10 year old who's trying to be tough and John's silence would have been appropriate. Then he simply could have asked John again when they were fixing the truck just as it actually played out.

That would have worked.

highlander1
11-20-2012, 08:22 PM
just a idea would have to have arnie riding behind him or ready to grab him off dirt bike....Hey one other tip if like celebrity voice recordings like arnold lines or any actor this site is funny as hell to play with...http://www.realmofdarkness.net/pc/

Khev
11-20-2012, 08:24 PM
I figure this thread is an appropriate enough excuse to post this again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6_awUgbUJs

:D

highlander1
11-20-2012, 08:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogSikSUl2D4&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMMnlXF4mL8&feature=player_detailpage
oldies but goodies.....

highlander1
11-20-2012, 08:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kayFrIR-Qfw&feature=player_detailpage
favorite deleted scene.:rotfl

a-dev
11-20-2012, 08:44 PM
I know most of you don't like part 3 but if HT did Salvation figures then T3 deserves more. I would like to see T3 Arnold and TX to end my Terminator line:) How about a DX like that:)?

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_t3_3.jpg

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_t3_5.jpg

I think the film is awful but I would nevertheless buy some T-850 figures such as the above with the coffin and the super BD version. I'd just look at the figures and pretend they came from a good film.

DiFabio
11-20-2012, 08:51 PM
The damage the T-850 sustains in T3 is the only good part of the film. Yeah, it's CGI, but I liked seeing how FUBAR he was. The ****ing naked endo leg, the exposed arm. He looked like ****.

That would make a great figure.

highlander1
11-20-2012, 08:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inPijjFNNSI&feature=player_detailpage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_6JEogiDMo&feature=player_detailpage
t3 was bad but had some good parts....

DiFabio
11-20-2012, 09:01 PM
And some folks had a problem with bad to the bone in T2? I forgot how awful his introduction was.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 09:04 PM
The damage the T-850 sustains in T3 is the only good part of the film. Yeah, it's CGI, but I liked seeing how FUBAR he was. The ****ing naked endo leg, the exposed arm. He looked like ****.

That would make a great figure.

It would. HT really should go ahead and make at least that. I'm a major T3-hater and I'd buy it no question. Seeing what they did on the T2 BD..even if not 100% accurate....oh my.

Khev
11-20-2012, 09:07 PM
I actually found T3 to be surprisingly entertaining when I first saw it but man did that feeling not last long. Anything Terminator related not directed by Cameron is just fan-fiction to me.

Stanlore
11-20-2012, 09:08 PM
And some folks had a problem with bad to the bone in T2? I forgot how awful his introduction was.

Talk to the hand.

http://iapetus09.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/worst-three-quels-ever-20090323025309677.jpg?w=500

The Skull
11-20-2012, 09:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inPijjFNNSI&feature=player_detailpage
t3 was bad but had some good parts....

:monkey4:monkey4:monkey4 I hate that arrival scene with a passion:cuss That ruined the rest of the movie for me. I will agree with the cool looking bd t-850 thing though, could make a nice figure.

a-dev
11-20-2012, 09:12 PM
I actually found T3 to be surprisingly entertaining when I first saw it but man did that feeling not last long. Anything Terminator related not directed by Cameron is just fan-fiction to me.

Same thing for me. I've tried reappraising it but you can't unsee everything thats wrong with it.

DiFabio
11-20-2012, 09:15 PM
And I'll admit it, the idea of a coffin filled with weapons and the Terminator is pretty cool.

Other than that though, the T-850 sucks.

I do love that wide eyed expression he gives in the truck though to Kate Brewster. "RELAX"

Like Khev said, if it isn't made by Cameron, it doesn't exist and is fan fiction. Well, except for T2:3D attraction Cameron created and shot, that doesn't count either. Pretty fun attraction though.

Khev
11-20-2012, 09:20 PM
Like Khev said, if it isn't made by Cameron, it doesn't exist and is fan fiction. Well, except for T2:3D attraction Cameron created and shot, that doesn't count either. Pretty fun attraction though.

I never attended it but I remember watching a Making Of documentary about it. At one point I remember Arnold telling Furlong, "Come on, let's bust a move!" and knew instantly it was something I could absolutely ignore. :lol

That being said I believe you agree with me that as much as I like T2 I don't really count it as "canon" when I'm watching T1. T1 is just too perfect of a self-looping time story. So I consider there to be two versions of the story: "The Terminator" and "T1 + T2." Each have merit.

Voorhees27
11-20-2012, 09:21 PM
I actually found T3 to be surprisingly entertaining when I first saw it but man did that feeling not last long. Anything Terminator related not directed by Cameron is just fan-fiction to me.

Isn't that the truth. Well for me as well anyway. T3 never happened :D

DiFabio
11-20-2012, 09:31 PM
I never attended it but I remember watching a Making Of documentary about it. At one point I remember Arnold telling Furlong, "Come on, let's bust a move!" and knew instantly it was something I could absolutely ignore. :lol

It's actually a great little show. I don't think of it as any sort of canon, but as an effects attraction, it really is nice. I quite enjoyed it.

If you ever go to Universal Studios, I'd hit it up.


That being said I believe you agree with me that as much as I like T2 I don't really count it as "canon" when I'm watching T1. T1 is just too perfect of a self-looping time story. So I consider there to be two versions of the story: "The Terminator" and "T1 + T2." Each have merit.


Yeah, same here. I probably even said that before on here. The first Terminator seems pretty self contained while Judgment Day is a great compliment and continuation. Not of the first film per se, but a nice alternate Terminator story. I'm not sure which one I like better though.

TheFiend
11-20-2012, 10:14 PM
Of course, we can find these nits if we look for them. But Cameron said early on that you have to take a lot of the stuff in these things with a grain of salt. The fact is, he makes them realistic enough that the audience isn't sitting there questioning things constantly as the movie progresses. What happens makes sense in the universe that he has constructed. We come along for the ride, and enjoy it because the films are really masterfully crafted (T1 and T2, that is). But the most basic premise of T1 is pretty odd--you send an infiltration robot disguised as a human, yet have him look like Mr. Universe so that there is no way he would really go unnoticed. But it is for the good of the movie, so we roll with it.

The problem with movies like the Star Wars prequels is that the unnatural behaviors, logical inconsistencies, etc. work in such a way that viewers are taken out of the film and can't enjoy it. Cameron doesn't make that mistake.

Oh, I agree with you. It's just fun to pick out little inconsistencies like that and talk about them. :)

ILuvToyz
11-20-2012, 10:43 PM
It always bothers me when the T-1000 stabs Sarah and tells her to call to John. Why doesn't he just do it?!? He could just kill her and imitate her.

P.
11-20-2012, 11:00 PM
...and actually he did it later. (imitating, not killing)
is he sadistic then? did he need to break her rather than call to John? does he truly have emotions, and hate to Connors among them? :D
or it is quite the opposite. he doesn't have emotions and cannot show them well. remember that Jenell fake voice :) so to lure John he needed a true frightened/panicking call. later, when he tried to do that himself, it was same fake intonations as with Jenell.

P.
11-20-2012, 11:39 PM
Yep, you don't instantly see the naked T-1000 and say, "hey, that liquid metal terminator is not surrounded by living tissue! How did he appear!??" You don't even think about that until the second, third, or 10th time you watch the movie. I always say if it takes 20 viewings for me to notice a pretty glaring mistake then the director has done his/her job.you should not think about it ever as a mistake because there is no mistake there.

T-1000 is either already mimicking flesh (he does have appearance - it must be copied from alive person in 2029 - he knows what a human and his flesh are) or just generates "the proper field".


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00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,239
You go naked. Something about the
field generated by a living organism.

310
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,439
- Nothing dead will go.
- Why?

311
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,279
I didn't build the ****ing thing.

cokebabies
11-21-2012, 12:34 AM
I never attended it but I remember watching a Making Of documentary about it. At one point I remember Arnold telling Furlong, "Come on, let's bust a move!" and knew instantly it was something I could absolutely ignore. :lol

That being said I believe you agree with me that as much as I like T2 I don't really count it as "canon" when I'm watching T1. T1 is just too perfect of a self-looping time story. So I consider there to be two versions of the story: "The Terminator" and "T1 + T2." Each have merit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCz8Sc-55K0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WwIFzeYyTY&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=posM9iyGnUM&feature=relmfu

Some truly awkward parts aside, it's a fantastic attraction.

Biojex
11-21-2012, 12:36 AM
Were these posted?

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/561522_467860023252331_134721556_n.jpg

Walker
11-21-2012, 12:53 AM
^

Looks great there. I love the image in the top-left corner.

Johnny Utah
11-21-2012, 12:56 AM
Any nuggets in there?

EVILFACE
11-21-2012, 01:17 AM
I actually found T3 to be surprisingly entertaining when I first saw it but man did that feeling not last long. Anything Terminator related not directed by Cameron is just fan-fiction to me.

I like how the T-850 is a complete ass to John Connor. :lol

And I would buy a HT T-850 in a instant.

EndoSickness
11-21-2012, 01:20 AM
Were these posted?

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/561522_467860023252331_134721556_n.jpg

Love how the endodetails line up perfectly with Arnoldīs human facial features...

:rock

P.
11-21-2012, 01:27 AM
Were these posted?

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/561522_467860023252331_134721556_n.jpgPERFECT PERFECT

but i still hope that if i paint flesh on left palm into black, it will look like a torn glove, metal arm under it and no flesh.

p.s. still cannot understand if the endoeye can move with the human eye.

KillKen
11-21-2012, 01:44 AM
Endo eye never moved with normal eye in the movie...

Mr Walker
11-21-2012, 01:55 AM
PERFECT PERFECT

but i still hope that if i paint flesh on left palm into black, it will look like a torn glove, metal arm under it and no flesh.

p.s. still cannot understand if the endoeye can move with the human eye.

I'm gonna guess not. Sounds like a recipe for malfunction.

P.
11-21-2012, 02:01 AM
Endo eye never moved with normal eye in the movie...when he looked up while being melt, he did it with both eyes. no?

anyway, what i meant is that i cannot understand that from promo photos. sometimes it seems the eye follows another one, sometimes it seems they just took exact angles to hide that it cannot move.

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 03:16 AM
One thing I don't get is why the T-800 doesn't know what crying and smiling are. Surely such basic stuff has got to be covered by his 'detailed files'. Presumably he knows about human tear ducts and their function for keeping the eyes wet etc. So WTF?!!

I would have had him just not understand why John was crying or in what situations to smile.
I'm a bit late to the chat, but that's an excellent point! :lol

As you guys have mentioned though, there's always going to be things like that in films to single out.

The main things is, the film as a whole makes up for such anomalies in awesomeness. :D

Jackhepburn
11-21-2012, 03:16 AM
I always thought he put his arm's skin back on after the endo reveal then put on the gloves. Not sure if that is physically possible however :lol

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 03:17 AM
Yeah, I always wondered about that too! :lol

EndoSickness
11-21-2012, 03:31 AM
when he looked up while being melt, he did it with both eyes. no?

anyway, what i meant is that i cannot understand that from promo photos. sometimes it seems the eye follows another one, sometimes it seems they just took exact angles to hide that it cannot move.

Well the Specs say PERS on the semi-bd and the "rolling eyeballs" on the full bd.
But what means "rolling eyeballs"?!??!?!?!!?

:dunno

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 03:34 AM
Maybe there's individual joysticks for both eyes in the BD head, this time. :lol

EndoSickness
11-21-2012, 03:36 AM
Maybe there's individual joysticks for both eyes in the BD head, this time. :lol

THAT or otherwise moveable eyeballs, although I doubt that.
Itīs gotta be a new form of PERS...

Lejuan
11-21-2012, 03:41 AM
Well the Specs say PERS on the semi-bd and the "rolling eyeballs" on the full bd.
But what means "rolling eyeballs"?!??!?!?!!?

:dunno

Hulk is advertised as having 'rolling eyeballs' too. I assumed it had nothing to do with movement but how they're constructed as separate, painted balls that are inserted into the head sculpt, as opposed to being a part of the sculpt and then painted.

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 03:50 AM
I know they don't speak English but come on.

EndoSickness
11-21-2012, 03:52 AM
I know they don't speak English but come on.

What do you mean?!
That they just wanted to avoid to use the term "PERS" a second time and called it that way?!?!?!!?

:dunno

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 03:56 AM
No, Im assuming "rolling eyeballs" is some sort of bad interpretation or something else to do with the language barrier. That is if "rolling eyes" is just glass/painted eyeballs separated from the sculpt like Lejaun said and not moveable eyes like PERS is.

EndoSickness
11-21-2012, 04:05 AM
No, Im assuming "rolling eyeballs" is some sort of bad interpretation or something else to do with the language barrier. That is if "rolling eyes" is just glass/painted eyeballs separated from the sculpt like Lejaun said and not moveable eyes like PERS is.

I really canīt imagine that they would say something totally out of sense.
And they NEVER would pass on the oppurtunity to sell a BD sculpt with functioning normal AND endo eye.
And on top of it:
From the pure knowledge of the PERS system, it isnīt a problem getting both to move AND one to light up...

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 04:06 AM
No doubt it's obvious, but the term 'rolling' implies movement. :lol

I'd say two joysticks this time, to free up the endo eye for it's own mechanism. :)

Firebird
11-21-2012, 04:19 AM
Like Lejuan mentioned earlier, the Hulk figure states the same thing in the description. I hardly doubt that those eyeballs will have any movement. :)

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 04:20 AM
Maybe when you shake the figure,the eyes are googly like Cookie Monster's. :lol

Firebird
11-21-2012, 04:32 AM
Maybe when you shake the figure,the eyes are googly like Cookie Monster's. :lol

:rotfl Good one!

EndoSickness
11-21-2012, 04:34 AM
Maybe when you shake the figure,the eyes are googly like Cookie Monster's. :lol

Horrible and funny at the same time...

:rotfl

Johnny Utah
11-21-2012, 04:49 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417077_467859993252334_1262797535_n.jpg

Need OMG to translate that scan.

P.
11-21-2012, 05:10 AM
seems like the robo eye doesn't move.

http://s017.radikal.ru/i415/1211/27/55c92b133ad2.jpg

would be very happy to be wrong, of course.

(the blue arrow is supposed to point directly at you, but i don't know how to make a frontal view of an arrow :D)

Jackhepburn
11-21-2012, 05:12 AM
I'm not bothered about the endo eye moving. Seems unnecessary, Arnie couldn't move it in the actual movie

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 05:16 AM
Im pretty sure they will be separate joysticks to control both eyes. Im sure "rolling eyes" means movement also. When I read that on the Hulks specs I took that as he will have movable eyes. They arent the Pattened "PERS" with one joy stick, but will feature two. Enterbay has done with with some of there Bruce Lee (maybe more?) figures.

Besides, its not a deal breaker if it doesnt move anyway. :dunno

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 05:16 AM
I'm not bothered about the endo eye moving. Seems unnecessary, Arnie couldn't move it in the actual movie

:exactly::exactly::exactly:

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 05:24 AM
But why restrict the collectible to looking like an actor wearing appliances? :huh

Realism for these things makes sense to me every time.

P.
11-21-2012, 05:25 AM
if it doesn't move,
+) the wires to it are intact and won't break eventually
-) the point of PERS is lost.

Arnie couldn't move it in the actual movieactual movie:

http://s018.radikal.ru/i506/1211/79/2083dde29141.jpg

:)

plus no, it does take different positions in the movie, syncronized with another eye, so all "it is meant to be damaged and stuck" arguments are invalid.

http://s019.radikal.ru/i628/1211/fa/f7a941801ab6.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i433/1211/a6/966a6b5fe319.jpg
http://i078.radikal.ru/1211/72/96d8384ed984.jpg
http://s018.radikal.ru/i525/1211/bf/2fa2a6d8fd2e.jpg

MagnumOpus
11-21-2012, 05:47 AM
After seeing the vehicles of Batman movies, how about a HUNTER KILLER:)? Wouldn't be cool?

http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/10/30/61374-Hunter%20Killer,%20Imperial%20Guard,%20Terminator% 20Movie,%20Toy,%20Vendetta,%20Warhammer%2040,000.j pg

Dollmanron
11-21-2012, 06:12 AM
What would be cool is to finally get a John (Eddie Furlong) Conner figure. As much trouble as he stays in now that he's grown up he could use the (likeness rights) money. I just hope he wouldn't use it all up on a one night drug and alcohol binge.

From T2 a figure of him is what we need to round everything out. We have the MMS T-800, the T-800 DX10 Cyberdine, the T-800 DX13 (I think) BD Steel Mill (Each Arnold can cover multiple scenes from the movie), the T-1000 (that can have three different looks), the T-1000 in Sarah Conner Disguise (that can also be a BD Sarah Conner), and the regular Sarah Conner.

He really the only thing we’re missing now.

a-dev
11-21-2012, 06:17 AM
I wish one of the previous Sarah Connor's had come with the Pescadero outfit - such a simple outfit. 2 items of clothing. That'd fill in another blank.

stshammgod
11-21-2012, 06:44 AM
I don't think it's technically practical, feasible, or stable to do PERS with one eye with wires and one regular. The logistics are probably too difficult (and fragile) at that scale. I'd be happy with separate moveable eyes. I always thought the steel girder the T-1000 smashes into his face crushed the eye socket somewhat and that prevented it from moving at all anyway. I would love to be wrong and see a moveable endo eye though. :)

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 06:49 AM
I don't think it's technically practical, feasible, or stable to do PERS with one eye with wires and one regular. The logistics are probably too difficult (and fragile) at that scale. I'd be happy with separate moveable eyes. I always thought the steel girder the T-1000 smashes into his face crushed the eye socket somewhat and that prevented it from moving at all anyway. I would love to be wrong and see a moveable endo eye though. :)
If they were going to do that - the normal eye would be PERS over the endo surely. :lol

I think your second comment there is what - as we've been speculating, is fairly likely.

I'm still puzzled as to why folks think 'rolling' has any implication to stationary. :lol

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 06:50 AM
If they were going to do that - the normal eye would be PERS over the endo surely. :lol

I think your second comment there is what - as we've been speculating, is fairly likely.

I'm still puzzled as to why folks think 'rolling' has any implication to stationary. :lol

:exactly:

Rolling = Movement. :lecture

stshammgod
11-21-2012, 06:52 AM
Well, the term PERS is meant only for "dual eyes moving with one stick." Like I said, doing one human eye and one endo eye on the same stick is probably not practical.

To me, the fact that is says "rolling" means they are separate.

DiFabio
11-21-2012, 06:57 AM
I hope the LED endo eye doesn't move.

That will just cause more problems down the line.

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 07:00 AM
Well, the term PERS is meant only for "dual eyes moving with one stick." Like I said, doing one human eye and one endo eye on the same stick is probably not practical.

To me, the fact that is says "rolling" means they are separate.
That last comment in my previous post was a general observation.. not directed at you mate. :)

I was more so pointing out your first earlier comment though - of a possible PERS BD eye, & other eye regular. By regular, do you mean, no movement?

That's why I then said - logistically, (if that's what you did mean) it would be easier to make the BD one static.

Follow me? :lol

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 07:02 AM
The "Rolling Eyes" I imagine will be something like this, even if its just one eye.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2u7ylw9.jpg

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 07:10 AM
Give that head a black tuft of hair & one long eyebrow, & it's..

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1438/8706615/16122991/404716492.jpg

:lol

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 07:36 AM
Either way I don't see it being the PERS set up. And I kinda don't really give a ****.

a-dev
11-21-2012, 07:37 AM
I think I'd be OK with the endo eye not moving since theres a plausible movie explanation for it not moving in the film.

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 07:39 AM
Yeah, me too. Honestly I never really gave it much thought until everyone kept bringing it up. I just assumed that it didn't move in the first place.

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 07:43 AM
Im pretty sure they will be separate joysticks to control both eyes. Im sure "rolling eyes" means movement also. When I read that on the Hulks specs I took that as he will have movable eyes. They arent the Pattened "PERS" with one joy stick, but will feature two. Enterbay has done with with some of there Bruce Lee (maybe more?) figures.

Besides, its not a deal breaker if it doesnt move anyway. :dunno

But why didn't they just put PERS instead of "rolling eyes" for the Hulk. And if it is like you say two joysticks why not just use the PERS system with the HULK. I only looked at the Hulk specs once so I didn't even notice if his eyes were in different positions or not.

And beside what the hell makes the HULK so special that he gets moving eyes! Your MMS Hulk, deal with it! :lol

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 07:43 AM
I'd LOVE the endo eye to be able to move.

If.. they can design it sturdily / practically enough, that is..

a-dev
11-21-2012, 07:45 AM
I'd LOVE the endo eye to be able to move.

If.. they can design it sturdily / practically enough, that is..

If it can move I'll be fine with it moving independantly of the human eye. So there is the option of mimicking the non-moving prosthetic in the film.

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 08:11 AM
But why didn't they just put PERS instead of "rolling eyes" for the Hulk. And if it is like you say two joysticks why not just use the PERS system with the HULK. I only looked at the Hulk specs once so I didn't even notice if his eyes were in different positions or not.

And beside what the hell makes the HULK so special that he gets moving eyes! Your MMS Hulk, deal with it! :lol

Cause then they would have to make him a DX! :lol

And its the freckin HULK! :D

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 08:13 AM
The wait for this is much too long. DX11 needs to come out now to at least sate my "long awaited figure" nerves.

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 08:46 AM
The wait for this is much too long. DX11 needs to come out now to at least sate my "long awaited figure" nerves.

:exactly::goodpost::lecture Indeed.

This, DX11 and HULK are my top 3 pre-orders at the moment.

Of course the most anticipated is the farthest one away. And Im sure we'll expect a delay too. :(

slipknotpredator
11-21-2012, 08:47 AM
No high res pics yet?

Firebird
11-21-2012, 08:49 AM
No high res pics yet?

HI RES post #1219 pg 122

slipknotpredator
11-21-2012, 08:50 AM
HI RES post #1219 pg 122

Thanks! :blissy

Jackhepburn
11-21-2012, 08:53 AM
I agree. This and the DX11 are my only definate orders right now. They should get the DX11 out early and satisfy our needs... for now :lecture

jimmie_dimmick
11-21-2012, 09:01 AM
I agree. This and the DX11 are my only definate orders right now. They should get the DX11 out early and satisfy our needs... for now :lecture

No DX12 for you Jack?

Firebird
11-21-2012, 09:03 AM
Thanks! :blissy

Your welcome. :) Also I think there are more pics on page 123, if I remember correctly.

stshammgod
11-21-2012, 09:03 AM
Follow me? :lol

Yeah, by "regular" I meant standard moving eye. :) I think it would be difficult to tie a standard moving eye and an electronic moving one together, hence the "rolling" eyes instead of the "Parallel Eyeball Rolling System." ;)

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 09:30 AM
Yeah, by "regular" I meant standard moving eye. :) I think it would be difficult to tie a standard moving eye and an electronic moving one together, hence the "rolling" eyes instead of the "Parallel Eyeball Rolling System." ;)
Yep - separate moving eyes on their own individual joystick mechanism.

That's what we were alluding to earlier anyway, all good. :)

Khev
11-21-2012, 09:40 AM
you should not think about it ever as a mistake because there is no mistake there.

T-1000 is either already mimicking flesh (he does have appearance - it must be copied from alive person in 2029 - he knows what a human and his flesh are) or just generates "the proper field".

Oh that's debatable but don't worry, I've spent years geeking out over this movie and coming up with plausbile explanations for any "mistakes." For the T-1000's arrival I just went with the notion that Skynet put a live cow in the time displacement machine and the T-1000 stabbed it and then poured into it like he did with the helicopter. The dying cow arrived in 1991 and the liquid metal burst out of his cocoon of "living tissue." :cool:

That still doesn't explain why he thought it would be a good idea to appear naked though. :lol

Jackhepburn
11-21-2012, 09:46 AM
No DX12 for you Jack?

Nah. My collecting rule is one figure per franchise. This figure is breaking that rule though since I have the EB 1/4 :lol

Rambler
11-21-2012, 09:48 AM
How long until Toy Anxiety starts the preorders for parted out parts?

cokebabies
11-21-2012, 11:24 AM
If it can move I'll be fine with it moving independantly of the human eye. So there is the option of mimicking the non-moving prosthetic in the film.

Plus, the endo eye will leave a LOT more room for error. Unlike when you have to move broken-PERSed eyes independently, and they take forever to line together up just right.

masamune
11-21-2012, 11:43 AM
Hopefully this and the DX10 are my last Hot Toys, the only figures that will bring me back is Blade, or another Terminator, other than that I am finished with Hot Toys....these prices are killing me, and taking the fun out of the hobby.....to those that can afford it, you have my envy.....

Kiva
11-21-2012, 11:46 AM
Hopefully this and the DX10 are my last Hot Toys, the only figures that will bring me back is Blade, or another Terminator, other than that I am finished with Hot Toys....
famous last words!

cokebabies
11-21-2012, 11:50 AM
famous last words!

haha, this was my theory, for the most part. "I'll sell off, keep only a couple, and pick up DX11 - but that's it!"

Then this came along DX13, and I'm like

http://youtu.be/bKweynM2xas

masamune
11-21-2012, 11:57 AM
famous last words!

Actually I have been pretty good at not buying 200+ figures, Terminator and Blade or my weakness....I haven't bought any of the Avengers and I loved the movie...I passed on all of the Batman stuff....Batman's my all time favorite super hero, but I can't pass on These Terminators...for me the three T2 are the best 1/6 figures ever made...thanks to a screw up on the part of legend toys and hobbies I missed out on the Blade....I really can't think of any other figures that are must have for me....I know Hot Toys are not going to a JCV or Scott Adkins, Dolph Lundgren or Terry Crews from the Expendables..... so I am pretty safe....

shells075
11-21-2012, 12:03 PM
I dont know why so many people feel the need to pass on so many figures without even getting them in hand. The HT stuff usually appreciates in value as long as you keep the box and the figure is in a good condition, then when you need more money room etc, just sell on the figures that you have got bored off.

cokebabies
11-21-2012, 12:04 PM
I dont know why so many people feel the need to pass on so many figures without even getting them in hand. The HT stuff usually appreciates in value as long as you keep the box and the figure is in a good condition, then when you need more money room etc, just sell on the figures that you have got bored off.

The days of this being a rule across the board seem to be in the past.

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 12:06 PM
I dont know why so many people feel the need to pass on so many figures without even getting them in hand. The HT stuff usually appreciates in value as long as you keep the box and the figure is in a good condition, then when you need more money room etc, just sell on the figures that you have got bored off.


The days of this being a rule across the board seem to be in the past.

:rotfl Someone mustve missed the huge convos about prices getting ridiculously out of hand...

masamune
11-21-2012, 12:08 PM
I dont know why so many people feel the need to pass on so many figures without even getting them in hand. The HT stuff usually appreciates in value as long as you keep the box and the figure is in a good condition, then when you need more money room etc, just sell on the figures that you have got bored off.

it's simple for me....I really don't believe a Toy is worth 300 bucks (200 either)...but I know if I pass on the Terminator figures I will regret it as long as I live...The Avengers, Batman, Star wars..., and the endless sea of Iron men, and Predators I will never regret......If I was rich maybe it wouldn't matter so much, but unfortunately I am not....I love playing with my toys, but that's not all I do.....

The Skull
11-21-2012, 01:36 PM
it's simple for me....I really don't believe a Toy is worth 300 bucks (200 either)...but I know if I pass on the Terminator figures I will regret it as long as I live...The Avengers, Batman, Star wars..., and the endless sea of Iron men, and Predators I will never regret......If I was rich maybe it wouldn't matter so much, but unfortunately I am not....I love playing with my toys, but that's not all I do.....

HEY BUDDY, welcome to the freaks:1-1: I see you could'nt get enought terminator talk at OSW, anyway glad to have you here:hi5:

P.
11-21-2012, 02:04 PM
Oh that's debatable but don't worry, I've spent years geeking out over this movie and coming up with plausbile explanations for any "mistakes." For the T-1000's arrival I just went with the notion that Skynet put a live cow in the time displacement machine and the T-1000 stabbed it and then poured into it like he did with the helicopter. The dying cow arrived in 1991 and the liquid metal burst out of his cocoon of "living tissue." :cool:

That still doesn't explain why he thought it would be a good idea to appear naked though. :lolOccam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor).
you make it too complex, leading to new mistakes while explaining the one that doesn't exist :)
- if it was like this, skynet would send weapons and details to the past
- according to Kyle Reese in T1 and to non-filmed extended beginning of T2 time displacement procedure is extremely painful, and that cow, already dying of a human body volume inside it, would die long before the end of displacement
- there is no way to find a cow after 32 years of a nuclear war (2029 minus 1997), it's a very delicate domestic animal.
- the liquid robot should be in the first movie together with t-800, where the principle of "field of a living creature" was described, so he definitely was designed by Cameron with that ability from the beginning, not by a mistake.

on the other hand, if you unite the things you know, not deny them, you can make something like this:
- skynet discovers the time displacement phenomena but understands it needs "the living creature field"
- it doesn't have creatures willing to help and starts to design a substance that can generate it (liquid metal mimicking matters and, for example, fields)
- that ability also allows the substance to have "a brain" so it is an ideal robot and can be used both for present infiltration and time displacement process
- when people are destroying skynet's core, it makes the last try and sends T-1000 into the time machine, then shuts down.

:)

BadMuthaDude
11-21-2012, 02:08 PM
I just had a look at the high res pics. Amazing. I held my DX10 sculpt up to compare to the pics at the same angles. They'll look great together as the sculpts are virtually identical, but damn I wish the DX10 had the same paint job as the DX13 proto!

Khev
11-21-2012, 02:21 PM
Occam's razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor).
you make it too complex, leading to new mistakes while explaining the one that doesn't exist :)
- if it was like this, skynet would send weapons and details to the past
- according to Kyle Reese in T1 and to non-filmed extended beginning of T2 time displacement procedure is extremely painful, and that cow, already dying of a human body volume inside it, would die long before the end of displacement
- there is no way to find a cow after 32 years of a nuclear war (2029 minus 1997), it's a very delicate domestic animal.
- the liquid robot should be in the first movie together with t-800, where the principle of "field of a living creature" was described, so he definitely was designed by Cameron with that ability from the beginning, not by a mistake.

on the other hand, if you unite the things you know, not deny them, you can make something like this:
- skynet discovers the time displacement phenomena but understands it needs "the living creature field"
- it doesn't have creatures willing to help and starts to design a substance that can generate it (liquid metal mimicking matters and, for example, fields)
- that ability also allows the substance to have "a brain" so it is an ideal robot and can be used both for present infiltration and time displacement process
- when people are destroying skynet's core, it makes the last try and sends T-1000 into the time machine, then shuts down.

:)

I like the idea of a cow better. The T-1000 actually wouldn't have to stab it, he could just liquify and slide down its throat and then burst out of its stomach after arriving in the present. :)

masamune
11-21-2012, 02:27 PM
HEY BUDDY, welcome to the freaks:1-1: I see you could'nt get enought terminator talk at OSW, anyway glad to have you here:hi5:
Thanks Skull....glad to be over here....why do it seem like there are more members over here. I wonder if we got a petition up Hot Toys would consider doing figures from The Sarah Connor chronicles....I know the show didn't do to well, but I would love a 1/6 figure of the tv show's Terminator, Sarah, John Connor and even the bad Terminator....

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 02:30 PM
I like the idea of a cow better. The T-1000 actually wouldn't have to stab it, he could just liquify and slide down its throat and then burst out of its stomach after arriving in the present. :)

This is news to me, where did the Cow idea come from?

Did Cameron ever explain how the T-1000 was able to be sent back?

Jackhepburn
11-21-2012, 02:46 PM
It would have made more sense to me if when the T-1000 arrived in the present he was just his liquid metal form and then stole not only the clothes from the cop but his identity also

Khev
11-21-2012, 02:50 PM
This is news to me, where did the Cow idea come from?

I just made it up. :lol

In the first Dark Horse Terminator comics some more T-800's are sent through time and they bring back with them an obese human resistance fighter that they had performed surgery on to implant a plasma pistol into his abdomen (kind of like what the Joker did with the cell phone in TDK.) Then when they arrived one of the terminators reached into the terrified human's stomach and tore out the gun.

So I just picture something to that effect must have happened with the T-1000 unless you subsribe to the idea that he's somewhat sentient (due to his screams in the molten steel perhaps) and does indeed generate some sort of living field on his own. It's unexplained and vague but its sci-fi and I don't see it as that big a deal.

P.
11-21-2012, 02:59 PM
yeah yeah, t-1000 arrived in a cow, god created earth, and to hell with physics and actual movie explanations, i agree )

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 03:03 PM
How long until Toy Anxiety starts the preorders for parted out parts?

That's going to be an interesting day. :lol Just like when Joker 2.0 went up for P.P.O. Lots of sell outs really quick. DOn't worry Buttmunch will be over here to let us know the second they go up. :lol I just hope Im lucky enough to be online like I was when the Joker stuff went up.


It would have made more sense to me if when the T-1000 arrived in the present he was just his liquid metal form and then stole not only the clothes from the cop but his identity also

Yeah, I thought that would have made more sense too. But then again if he showed up in liquid form it would go against what I was saying earlier about Skynet shouldn't have been too obvious in areas etc. It's like P said you "fix" one thing and make problems elsewhere. Either way I love the movie the way it is. It's just fun to talk about this stuff.

masamune
11-21-2012, 03:05 PM
yeah yeah, t-1000 arrived in a cow, god created earth, and to hell with physics and actual movie explanations, i agree )

Just because you don't believe in something don't mean it's not true....and I know just because you do believe in something don't make it so, but you could at least have some respect for those who do.....

Rzeznikk
11-21-2012, 03:16 PM
I just made it up. :lol

In the first Dark Horse Terminator comics some more T-800's are sent through time and they bring back with them an obese human resistance fighter that they had performed surgery on to implant a plasma pistol into his abdomen (kind of like what the Joker did with the cell phone in TDK.) Then when they arrived one of the terminators reached into the terrified human's stomach and tore out the gun.

So I just picture something to that effect must have happened with the T-1000 unless you subsribe to the idea that he's somewhat sentient (due to his screams in the molten steel perhaps) and does indeed generate some sort of living field on his own. It's unexplained and vague but its sci-fi and I don't see it as that big a deal.

:lol Ok ok. :lol I was like Where the hell did this cow theory come from? Ive never heard of it before. Take my Terminator 2 fan club card away. :lol

P.
11-21-2012, 03:21 PM
Just because you don't believe in something don't mean it's not true....and I know just because you do believe in something don't make it so, but you could at least have some respect for those who do.....i do respect cows... i even believe in them... i've seen one!

Khev
11-21-2012, 03:27 PM
:lol Ok ok. :lol I was like Where the hell did this cow theory come from? Ive never heard of it before. Take my Terminator 2 fan club card away. :lol

Indy has his fridge, the T-1000 has a cow. :lol

subzro
11-21-2012, 04:26 PM
I just PO this (the T-800 not the cow :lol) $214 using reward points from SSC :yess:

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 05:12 PM
^ Man, some of you guys really save a lot of these points. Don't you need a ton of points to save that kind of dough? How many points did you have btw?

BadMuthaDude
11-21-2012, 05:41 PM
It makes sense to save them though since any time you use them you don't earn points on the purchase, right? Might as well make it count.

subzro
11-21-2012, 05:47 PM
^ Man, some of you guys really save a lot of these points. Don't you need a ton of points to save that kind of dough? How many points did you have btw?

I had 1800 points which means I have really been spending to much $$$

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 06:18 PM
How many points does it take to raise $20 or so?

Mr. EcKo
11-21-2012, 06:20 PM
This figure makes me very horny

Lee in MI
11-21-2012, 06:23 PM
I think it's 10 points for every $1 off.

Voorhees27
11-21-2012, 06:36 PM
How many points does it take to raise $20 or so?

400. I think.

Mr. EcKo
11-21-2012, 06:52 PM
I had 1800 points which means I have really been spending to much $$$

Dude your signature is waaaaaaaaay too big

Frank
11-21-2012, 06:52 PM
400. I think.

Yup, it's a measly 5% discount overall. That's why vendors like BBTS that discount way more than that should be ordered from unless you want an SS exclusive version. Guess that's why most of my SSC points come from Joes and not HT stuff.

a-dev
11-21-2012, 06:56 PM
This figure makes me very horny

Its the pole isn't it. That big damn pole.

Mr. EcKo
11-21-2012, 06:57 PM
Its the pole isn't it. That big damn pole.

:horror:lol:lol:lol:exactly:

TheFiend
11-21-2012, 07:01 PM
I think it's 10 points for every $1 off.

I never understood how they came up with the point system. Why not keep it simple; 1 point = $1


Yup, it's a measly 5% discount overall. That's why vendors like BBTS that discount way more than that should be ordered from unless you want an SS exclusive version. Guess that's why most of my SSC points come from Joes and not HT stuff.

Yeah, that's why I order form AE and they have rewards. Unless it's an exclusive I want which is a rarity. And I love this "Free Shipping" crap SS pulls. No such thing. The shipping is just built into the the total cost. And other places like CSC and AE are still cheaper.

BadMuthaDude
11-21-2012, 07:54 PM
What's AE stand for?

TheObsoleteMan
11-21-2012, 08:04 PM
What's AE stand for?

Alter Ego Comics

joebizz34
11-21-2012, 08:04 PM
What's AE stand for?


Alter-Ego

http://www.alteregocomics.com/

a-dev
11-21-2012, 08:30 PM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/74771_10151123439207344_258626182_n.jpg

^How cool would this look in a diorama with him struggling to free his arm from the huge gears of that conveyor belt or whatever it was. Jamming that pole in (:monkey3) and breaking his forearm off.

That is something I've always wanted to be able to recreate. You could probably pose this figure perfectly for it.

VintijDroidGutzz
11-21-2012, 08:52 PM
That'd be pretty awesome a-dev. :lecture

Incidentally, this set will the first (& last) of anything to do with blood / gore for me. :lol

I'm normally not interested in anything like that - collectibles wise, but this is one hell of an exception. :lecture :lol

MaulFan
11-21-2012, 08:54 PM
^How cool would this look in a diorama with him struggling to free his arm from the huge gears of that conveyor belt or whatever it was. Jamming that pole in (:monkey3) and breaking his forearm off.

That is something I've always wanted to be able to recreate. You could probably pose this figure perfectly for it.

These, with an HT figure.

http://www.xl-shop.com/xlshop/product_images/OTHER/MR_T2JudDayTraFigure3.jpg

a-dev
11-21-2012, 08:58 PM
That'd be pretty awesome a-dev. :lecture

Incidentally, this set will the first (& last) of anything to do with blood / gore for me. :lol

I'm normally not interested in anything like that - collectibles wise, but this is one hell of an exception. :lecture :lol

That it is sir, that it is.


These, with an HT figure.

http://www.xl-shop.com/xlshop/product_images/OTHER/MR_T2JudDayTraFigure3.jpg

We've got one of those for sure and who would have thunk it.

The other 2 arnie-related ones will be a challenge for the future methinks. At least we're finally getting a figure fit for purpose.

Valfar
11-21-2012, 08:59 PM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/74771_10151123439207344_258626182_n.jpg

^How cool would this look in a diorama with him struggling to free his arm from the huge gears of that conveyor belt or whatever it was. Jamming that pole in (:monkey3) and breaking his forearm off.

That is something I've always wanted to be able to recreate. You could probably pose this figure perfectly for it.

It is hex steel bar or square bar..pretty sure its hex though. XD

Though, maybe from scene to scene they went from steel bar to pipe..watching on Blu-Ray i see steel bar then kinda looks like pipe when the T-1000 impales the T-800.

BadMuthaDude
11-22-2012, 04:55 AM
Alter Ego Comics


Alter-Ego

http://www.alteregocomics.com/

Thanks bruthas.

Rambler
11-22-2012, 06:40 AM
That's going to be an interesting day. :lol Just like when Joker 2.0 went up for P.P.O. Lots of sell outs really quick. DOn't worry Buttmunch will be over here to let us know the second they go up. :lol I just hope Im lucky enough to be online like I was when the Joker stuff went up.


Indeed. :exactly:

Uncanny Web-Slinger
11-22-2012, 11:16 AM
It is hex steel bar or square bar..pretty sure its hex though. XD

Though, maybe from scene to scene they went from steel bar to pipe..watching on Blu-Ray i see steel bar then kinda looks like pipe when the T-1000 impales the T-800.

No offence but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAA1xgTTw9w

CyberVillain
11-22-2012, 03:21 PM
Ordered for 270 from Abc-express, the wait begins!

Voorhees27
11-22-2012, 03:29 PM
Yup, it's a measly 5% discount overall. That's why vendors like BBTS that discount way more than that should be ordered from unless you want an SS exclusive version. Guess that's why most of my SSC points come from Joes and not HT stuff.

$270's an excellent price. Good stuff.

snoop101
11-22-2012, 04:40 PM
Still can't stop looking at the pictures. Its going to be painful waiting for this one. This picture is 100% Arnold imo.

http://www.hottoys.jp/catalog/swfdata/ht3319/imgview_image/up_16.jpg

a-dev
11-22-2012, 04:51 PM
Yeah the likeness is excellent there. I'm particularly looking forward to displaying that look with the semi BD head and the wrecked arm

snoop101
11-22-2012, 04:58 PM
It's a tough call for me, since I can only buy one. Ive always wanted a fully BD T-800, but the semi-BD head looks so good. Decisions, decisions............

a-dev
11-22-2012, 05:06 PM
It's a tough call for me, since I can only buy one. Ive always wanted a fully BD T-800, but the semi-BD head looks so good. Decisions, decisions............

You're going for the Enterbay one too aren't you?

In your case then I would definitely display EB as full BD (especially as it appears to be more accurate in the head at least). Thus make the HT one a semi-BD.

snoop101
11-22-2012, 05:12 PM
You're going for the Enterbay one too aren't you?

In your case then I would definitely display EB as full BD (especially as it appears to be more accurate in the head at least). Thus make the HT one a semi-BD.

Yeah I want to, but since theyre including the Cyberdyne gear I have a feeling it's going to be more than Im willing to pay. What about you, have you pre-ordered this yet?

Kiva
11-22-2012, 05:13 PM
Were getting a DX HT Battle damaged T-800 from t2. And it looks awesome. High 5's all round!

a-dev
11-22-2012, 05:29 PM
Yeah I want to, but since theyre including the Cyberdyne gear I have a feeling it's going to be more than Im willing to pay. What about you, have you pre-ordered this yet?

I have, just one for the moment. Of course I want 'a few' more than that when all is said and done. Just too many cool scenes to recreate.

sgt.reese
11-22-2012, 06:43 PM
I coughed up the money and pre-ordered two of these. One from sideshow and one from toywiz. Can't wait for the endless possibilities of posing. Now all I need is a 1984 Reese and 2029 Reese to complete the Holy Grails of my Terminator collection. Oh and of course I hope they also make the endoskeleton to 1/6 scale the 1/4 is to big

Stanlore
11-22-2012, 07:04 PM
You're going for the Enterbay one too aren't you?

In your case then I would definitely display EB as full BD (especially as it appears to be more accurate in the head at least). Thus make the HT one a semi-BD.

Thats what i plan to do too. But i'll wait for the EB full specs and price before deciding on the DX13. That one gets first priority.

Lack of space is such a problem in HK, cause the real estate is so expensive. I would love to display the T-1000, but doing so would take up another spot i could use for another figure... sigh.. decisions decisions.

snoop101
11-22-2012, 07:18 PM
I have, just one for the moment. Of course I want 'a few' more than that when all is said and done. Just too many cool scenes to recreate.

There really is endless amounts of poses you could do with this guy.

a-dev
11-22-2012, 07:26 PM
There really is endless amounts of poses you could do with this guy.

In chronological order:

-SWAT shootout (using handgun)
-Blasting T-1000 pointblank with M16
-Hasta La Vista (if they do a liquid Nitrogen T-1000)
-McFarlane/my sig pose
-Locked in struggle with T-1000
-punching/T-1000 morph scene
-Hand caught in giant gears, attempting to free himself
-carving T-1000 in half
-getting beaten up by T-1000 with metal rod
-being rammed by steel beam
-crawling/T-1000 impaling him through floor
-firing last grenade shot into T-1000
-shaking hands with Sarah Connor
-being lowered on chains

Of course some of this is very dependant on having props and set dressing to more properly recreate the scenes and in the absence of such things it might not be worthwhile. And no I won't be buying a T-800 for each and every scenario I've listed. Because that'd be just mental :monkey1

The Skull
11-22-2012, 07:32 PM
In chronological order:

-SWAT shootout (using handgun)
-Blasting T-1000 pointblank with M16
-Hasta La Vista (if they do a liquid Nitrogen T-1000)
-McFarlane/my sig pose
-Locked in struggle with T-1000
-punching/T-1000 morph scene
-Hand caught in giant gears, attempting to free himself
-carving T-1000 in half
-getting beaten up by T-1000 with metal rod
-being rammed by a-dev's pole
-crawling/T-1000 impaling him through floor
-firing last grenade shot into T-1000
-shaking hands with Sarah Connor
-being lowered on chains



Corrected:lecture

DiFabio
11-22-2012, 07:34 PM
Is a-dev implying he would want a figure of every position the T-800 is in from scene to scene?



STAP IT!

a-dev
11-22-2012, 07:36 PM
Corrected:lecture

I think that would break my pole. :horror

a-dev
11-22-2012, 07:48 PM
And no I won't be buying a T-800 for each and every scenario I've listed. Because that'd be just mental :monkey1


Is a-dev implying he would want a figure of every position the T-800 is in from scene to scene?



STAP IT!

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Funnies/MrSpock.jpg

"No Admiral. I was merely....presenting the options"

Voorhees27
11-22-2012, 07:49 PM
There he goes with Star Trek again :lol

a-dev
11-22-2012, 07:51 PM
There he goes with Star Trek again :lol

:dunno No matter what I could think of to say in response to DiFabio, it all came out in Spock's voice! I must have his Katra or something. There's a hardcore Trek referance for you.

Voorhees27
11-22-2012, 07:53 PM
I know nothing of Star Trek sir :(

a-dev
11-22-2012, 08:03 PM
I wouldn't say I have the most detailed files on it myself but I do enjoy much of it.