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Butters
07-26-2012, 01:46 PM
The 1/4th scale Endoskeleton Collectible Figure specially features:

- Authentic and detailed fully realized likeness of Endoskeleton in The Terminator movie
- Approximately 18.5 inches / 47 cm tall
- Over 30 points of articulations
- LED-lighted eyes (red light, battery operated)
- Electroplated endoskeleton with diecast parts
- Fully articulated fingers


Weapon:

- One (1) plasma rifle

Accessory:

- Figure stand imitating the movie scene with skulls, Endoskeleton nameplate and The Terminator movie logo


Exclusive Bonus Accessory for Special Edition:

- One (1) additional plasma rifle

(This special edition is for selected markets only.)


Artists:
- Head Sculpted by Cha Tae Jin

- Head Painted by JC. Hong


Release date: Q1, 2013


**Prototype shown, final product may be slightly different

**Battery included for collectible figure, button cells are required


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Butters
07-26-2012, 01:46 PM
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Photos of original SWS full sized endoskeletons and puppets used during the filming of The Terminator:

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4737951&postcount=254
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4754942&postcount=411
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http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4754952&postcount=415

azurepred
07-26-2012, 01:53 PM
Interesting that the 1/4 pieces are QS, what does that stand for? I imagine Batman will be QS1?

P.
07-26-2012, 01:54 PM
no screen photo used while producing this figure :D

Kiva
07-26-2012, 01:55 PM
Interesting that the 1/4 pieces are QS, what does that stand for?
Quater scale

Mr. EcKo
07-26-2012, 01:56 PM
Did we really need another thread for this??? There is already 2

Black Magic
07-26-2012, 01:58 PM
Interesting that the 1/4 pieces are QS, what does that stand for? I imagine Batman will be QS1?

Quarter Scale is my guess

karamazov80
07-26-2012, 01:58 PM
Did we really need another thread for this??? There is already 2
Fair enough. I'll close the other one.

azurepred
07-26-2012, 02:01 PM
Quater scale


Quarter Scale is my guess

oh ok, duh. Odd that QS 2 gets shown before QS 1. Really curious to see pricing.

a-dev
07-26-2012, 02:04 PM
no screen photo used while producing this figure :D

I see what you did there. :wink1:

Uncanny Web-Slinger
07-26-2012, 02:04 PM
Looks outstanding, QS is too big for me, and though i love the films the Endos look good only from the waist up imo, hate the feet for some reason

ONEYE
07-26-2012, 02:06 PM
Want an army!

azurepred
07-26-2012, 02:17 PM
I wander if this new line will be more limited then the regular 1/6 stuff?

Voorhees27
07-26-2012, 02:21 PM
Want an army!

At (assuming) around $400 a piece, how many are you planning on getting?

DreaAlGhul
07-26-2012, 02:30 PM
I like it - it looks great, but is it just me, or do the teeth look a bit derpy?

jimmie_dimmick
07-26-2012, 02:31 PM
$400 is a fair assumption on price.

RIDDICK
07-26-2012, 02:32 PM
Still dunno why they call this "The Terminator" while showing stylized T2 endo :cuckoo:

spindrift
07-26-2012, 02:34 PM
Magnificent- if $400 a bargain but I think might be higher...

sgt.reese
07-26-2012, 02:49 PM
y can't this be in 16th scale. god I hope they release this with a 1/6th counterpart. 1/4th is too big and I like my collectibles in Detolf Shelves where they are properly protected and avoid dust as best as poassible. it is a waste if I buy a detolf case and have to remove one of the shelves so this this awesomness can fit

Voorhees27
07-26-2012, 02:53 PM
y can't this be in 16th scale. god I hope they release this with a 1/6th counterpart. 1/4th is too big and I like my collectibles in Detolf Shelves where they are properly protected and avoid dust as best as poassible. it is a waste if I buy a detolf case and have to remove one of the shelves so this this awesomness can fit

They are. Terminator day had both 1/6 & 1/4 pictured.

rad0324
07-26-2012, 02:57 PM
Amazing. Missed out on the SS PF, missed out on the HT 1/6 and now Im glad I did. I love this figure. Instant buy.

DFanatic
07-26-2012, 03:42 PM
This looks great but I won't make a decision until I see the EB one. They did not let me now with their T-800 (the favorite piece in my collection). In the though, best price and best build wins.

Titans_No1_Son
07-26-2012, 03:48 PM
I like it - it looks great, but is it just me, or do the teeth look a bit derpy?

That's the first thing that caught my eye. It almost looks like it's smiling.

cultpredator
07-26-2012, 03:57 PM
Bring it on!!!

Centurion
07-26-2012, 06:07 PM
My apologies if already posted, but... has Hot Toys inidcated how much of this is metal?

Blade3327
07-26-2012, 06:11 PM
THIS is why we need remakes, people. Loving the chrome and the teeth are actually better than both SSC's and HGC's bust attempts. The double plasma rifles should be a Sideshow exclusive when it finally becomes available for preorder for us Westerners, so I know who I'll be buying from... and imagine the rewards points on this, too. Lots of money to be used on future items.








I like it - it looks great, but is it just me, or do the teeth look a bit derpy?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UmmLcH6SLW4/T4EmcMKDiOI/AAAAAAAABFA/gXmXIBlegjg/s1600/t2_bust3.jpg

:monkey3

Centurion
07-26-2012, 06:16 PM
High school yearbook picture:

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Black Magic
07-26-2012, 06:52 PM
My question is, why does this need to be done in 1/4 scale? 1/4 scale is supposed to be for those who do not want to compromise when it comes to detail. So then, why is this missing so much detail? Someone else brought it up in the other thread, that the connecting wires from the wrist to the fingers are completely missing, along with the forearm hoses. Why not make the eyes PERS? Other than the chrome finish, and the slightly better teeth (although still far from perfect) what makes this better than their last release in 1/6 scale? Why should I spend more than triple the price of the original 1/6 scale for something 6 inches taller/ electroplated?

a-dev
07-26-2012, 06:56 PM
My question is, why does this need to be done in 1/4 scale? 1/4 scale is supposed to be for those who do not want to compromise when it comes to detail. So then, why is this missing so much detail? Someone else brought it up in the other thread, that the connecting wires from the wrist to the fingers are completely missing, along with the forearm hoses. Why not make the eyes PERS? Other than the chrome finish, and the slightly better teeth (although still far from perfect) what makes this better than their last release in 1/6 scale? Why should I spend more than triple the price of the original 1/6 scale for something 6 inches taller/ electroplated?

I think that was me. Yeah there are some missed opportunities on this which hopefully Enterbay will take advantage of...especially now that, by many people's reckoning, they've had their @$$ handed to them by Hot Toys in the 1/4 scale Batman war. Yeah, basically with this one its just the chrome and the fact of larger size that it has over the 1:6. Ehhh..I'm still buying :lol

Blade3327
07-26-2012, 07:34 PM
My question is, why does this need to be done in 1/4 scale? 1/4 scale is supposed to be for those who do not want to compromise when it comes to detail. So then, why is this missing so much detail? Someone else brought it up in the other thread, that the connecting wires from the wrist to the fingers are completely missing, along with the forearm hoses. Why not make the eyes PERS? Other than the chrome finish, and the slightly better teeth (although still far from perfect) what makes this better than their last release in 1/6 scale? Why should I spend more than triple the price of the original 1/6 scale for something 6 inches taller/ electroplated?


I think that was me. Yeah there are some missed opportunities on this which hopefully Enterbay will take advantage of...especially now that, by many people's reckoning, they've had their @$$ handed to them by Hot Toys in the 1/4 scale Batman war. Yeah, basically with this one its just the chrome and the fact of larger size that it has over the 1:6. Ehhh..I'm still buying :lol

The teeth also look great, I'd say. And I really don't think this needs PERS.

CSM101
07-26-2012, 08:03 PM
I think that was me. Yeah there are some missed opportunities on this which hopefully Enterbay will take advantage of...especially now that, by many people's reckoning, they've had their @$$ handed to them by Hot Toys in the 1/4 scale Batman war. Yeah, basically with this one its just the chrome and the fact of larger size that it has over the 1:6. Ehhh..I'm still buying :lol

PLUS the head sculpt is 10 times better:horror

Robopredinator
07-26-2012, 08:07 PM
I don't know, . . something about the face looks a lil' off.

CSM101
07-26-2012, 08:08 PM
dderrrrr hello 100000000000% better:yess:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0vdskQ6fW1qz7lkuo1_500.jpg

http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/29785d1343322640-hot-toys-terminator-1-4th-scale-endoskeleton-collectible-figure-1htendobig6.jpg

artofgarduno
07-26-2012, 08:13 PM
I think that was me. Yeah there are some missed opportunities on this which hopefully Enterbay will take advantage of...especially now that, by many people's reckoning, they've had their @$$ handed to them by Hot Toys in the 1/4 scale Batman war. Yeah, basically with this one its just the chrome and the fact of larger size that it has over the 1:6. Ehhh..I'm still buying :lol

IN your opinion, but not in mine.

Gates70
07-26-2012, 08:16 PM
IN your opinion, but not in mine.

+1



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Marcus Wright
07-26-2012, 08:17 PM
Need little insight, havent been reading the forums for quiet a while.

Is it true that HT is getting into 1/4 scale? I would prefer 1/4 scale, but are they gonna make 1/4 scale figures for every figure they make in 1/6 scale from now on as well?

I mean figures like TDKR, T2 DX, Avengers line, can we expect them in 1/4 scale? If yes, than when as I havent seen actuall annoucment and a date for 1/4 scale for any of these lines.

Any help really appreciated.

Alex Logan
07-26-2012, 08:22 PM
And another done deal for me. Man... Hot Toys is going to make a ____ load of money off us this year.

Dracula
07-26-2012, 08:22 PM
dderrrrr hello 100000000000% better:yess:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0vdskQ6fW1qz7lkuo1_500.jpg

http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/29785d1343322640-hot-toys-terminator-1-4th-scale-endoskeleton-collectible-figure-1htendobig6.jpg


:drool :clap

Looks awesome!

Voorhees27
07-26-2012, 08:30 PM
Yup. If ever there was a doubt, look above. Night and day greatness right there.

Black Magic
07-26-2012, 08:32 PM
dderrrrr hello 100000000000% better:yess:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0vdskQ6fW1qz7lkuo1_500.jpg

http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/29785d1343322640-hot-toys-terminator-1-4th-scale-endoskeleton-collectible-figure-1htendobig6.jpg

You're comparing a distorted, washed out picture with flash of a mass-produced finished product, with a professionally shot promo pic of a prototype. Compare apples to apples. With a little help from the right light the now years old 1/6 scale looks comparable to the prototype 1/4. Yes, the 1/4 scale still looks better, but only slightly, and I think the chrome finish is distorting people's view. What I'm asking is, what can't be done in 1/6 that's been done here in 1/4?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1452545757_b4ebf30a6e.jpg

Voorhees27
07-26-2012, 08:35 PM
Well chrome makes a BIG difference when it comes to endos, no?

darkmummy
07-26-2012, 08:52 PM
You're comparing a distorted, washed out picture with flash of a mass-produced finished product, with a professionally shot promo pic of a prototype. Compare apples to apples. With a little help from the right light the now years old 1/6 scale looks comparable to the prototype 1/4. Yes, the 1/4 scale still looks better, but only slightly, and I think the chrome finish is distorting people's view. What I'm asking is, what can't be done in 1/6 that's been done here in 1/4?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1452545757_b4ebf30a6e.jpg

I don't think it's just "slightly".:cuckoo:

CSM101
07-26-2012, 09:00 PM
You're comparing a distorted, washed out picture with flash of a mass-produced finished product, with a professionally shot promo pic of a prototype. Compare apples to apples. With a little help from the right light the now years old 1/6 scale looks comparable to the prototype 1/4. Yes, the 1/4 scale still looks better, but only slightly, and I think the chrome finish is distorting people's view. What I'm asking is, what can't be done in 1/6 that's been done here in 1/4?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1452545757_b4ebf30a6e.jpg

you have no idea what your talking about. ^^^^




San Winstons cinemaquette will always be king! but i don't have $3000:(

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/3263807808_6a85937daf.jpg

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/165900_10150955194537344_1174183792_n.jpg

cap70
07-26-2012, 09:07 PM
IN your opinion, but not in mine.


+1



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Plus +2!

I like this Endo but may wait for EB to reveal theirs, or will buy both! :D

a-dev
07-26-2012, 09:09 PM
you have no idea what your talking about. ^^^^

I don't have a problem with what he said, I don't think he's wrong, I'm just not going to let that stop me enjoying the figure.

Blade3327
07-26-2012, 09:11 PM
You're comparing a distorted, washed out picture with flash of a mass-produced finished product, with a professionally shot promo pic of a prototype. Compare apples to apples. With a little help from the right light the now years old 1/6 scale looks comparable to the prototype 1/4. Yes, the 1/4 scale still looks better, but only slightly, and I think the chrome finish is distorting people's view. What I'm asking is, what can't be done in 1/6 that's been done here in 1/4?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/1452545757_b4ebf30a6e.jpg

Nope, QS002 is still hotter.

I think it's the size and sharpness of the detail that makes the scale appealing, at least for this particular figure. Look at the black areas between the metal parts. Those are painted. HT has become the king of 1/6 painting since the days of the original Endoskeleton, but even now, keeping such a thin line clean will be tough on a smaller figure (and printing it is not an option since those lines belong in grooves). Here, it's not a problem. If you can't afford a CM or equally expensive statue, this is certainly looking good. The fact that it's a poseable figure and you have the option of dual-wielding plasma rifles is only a cherry on top of an already large cake.

The teeth, the finish, the black lines, the eye sockets, these are all small details that can still be done in a smaller scale, but not quite as well. If anything, 1/4 simply offers a larger and safer canvas to play with when it comes to intricacy.

cap70
07-26-2012, 09:13 PM
My question is, why does this need to be done in 1/4 scale? 1/4 scale is supposed to be for those who do not want to compromise when it comes to detail. So then, why is this missing so much detail? Someone else brought it up in the other thread, that the connecting wires from the wrist to the fingers are completely missing, along with the forearm hoses. Why not make the eyes PERS? Other than the chrome finish, and the slightly better teeth (although still far from perfect) what makes this better than their last release in 1/6 scale? Why should I spend more than triple the price of the original 1/6 scale for something 6 inches taller/ electroplated?

Why PERS? Did you ever see an Endo moving the eyes on the films?
They have fixed eyes...

Kazuki
07-26-2012, 09:14 PM
is it just me? why does the 1/4 scale terminator's head shape more like a t-600 than a t-800 in some of the promo pictures?!

a-dev
07-26-2012, 09:15 PM
Why PERS? Did you ever see an Endo moving the eyes on the films?
They have fixed eyes...

Unless its technically just not possible I don't see why the above ought to mean the figure not have that feature.

jaxon
07-26-2012, 09:16 PM
For me Aoshima had a better head sculpt in 1/6 than Hot toys. In 1/4 Argo nauts is still on top for me. Beats sideshows 1/4 and neca! But a ready to buy chrome endoskeleton with not a bad likeness =win for me!
Any pics shown of Enter bays endo?

Blade3327
07-26-2012, 09:19 PM
Unless its technically just not possible I don't see why the above ought to mean the figure not have that feature.

Their eyes move, but only in close-up shots. It will be so unnoticeable and combined with the LEDS, will only result in trouble during production. HT either figured it wasn't worth the inevitable hassle or never even considered it due to the first point I made.

Uncanny Web-Slinger
07-26-2012, 09:35 PM
This on show?

a-dev
07-26-2012, 09:36 PM
Their eyes move, but only in close-up shots. It will be so unnoticeable and combined with the LEDS, will only result in trouble during production. HT either figured it wasn't worth the inevitable hassle or never even considered it due to the first point I made.

Yeah I don't know if it would have been doable when you're also talking about LEDs but I don't think it was by any means silly for Black Magic to bring it up. If it could have been pulled off it would have been cool, you'd be able to have the option of, but not be limited to, that intimidating upturned-eye stare that the endoskull does in the T2 main title sequence.

azurepred
07-26-2012, 09:42 PM
After the CM, this is the best endo out there IMO . If the 1:2 had a meaner head with good teeth, I would say otherwise. It helps that this is pose able and comes with 2 guns as well. I'm all over this. Ht killed every other company in the paint department and that was 1/6 scale. SS is in trouble if Ht makes these limited and from the looks, EB is in for a fight, and they're down on the cards already.

Centurion
07-26-2012, 10:00 PM
dderrrrr hello 100000000000% better:yess:




I think it's better.

As a matter of fact, if these are true endoskeletons, this is what the terminator with flesh would look like:


http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/29785d1343322640-hot-toys-terminator-1-4th-scale-endoskeleton-collectible-figure-1htendobig6.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q96i6TuoIOY/TvaKS7DKwLI/AAAAAAAAKxU/LZznTp7m0p8/s1600/the-terminator.jpg

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Voorhees27
07-26-2012, 10:06 PM
:lol:lol:lol

Robopredinator
07-26-2012, 10:16 PM
Why PERS? Did you ever see an Endo moving the eyes on the films?
They have fixed eyes...

No they do move around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViGm7Bvktcw

cap70
07-26-2012, 10:25 PM
You right, I forgot we were talking about the first movie here and that this figure is based on the first Endo...
STILL, I see no need for PERS with this one...

Black Magic
07-26-2012, 10:35 PM
My apologies if I offended anyone looking forward to this figure. It was not my intention to bash it. I can see why some think I'm mental in thinking that the old 1/6 release is comparable to this new 1/4 release; on closer inspection, I was a bit mental in suggesting it :lol It's just that I'm looking forward to it so much, that I want it to be perfect, and I'm overanalyzing because I want the definitive endo to show for my 4-500 dollars. Hopefully when I see this in hand, I'll eat my own hat.

Robopredinator
07-26-2012, 10:40 PM
You right, I forgot we were talking about the first movie here and that this figure is based on the first Endo...
STILL, I see no need for PERS with this one...

I somewhat agree. Having PERS doesn't make or break the figure but I do think it would look bad ass if you tilted the head down while angling the eyes upward for that menacing look.

cr`
07-26-2012, 11:38 PM
I think it's better.

As a matter of fact, if these are true endoskeletons, this is what the terminator with flesh would look like:


http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/29785d1343322640-hot-toys-terminator-1-4th-scale-endoskeleton-collectible-figure-1htendobig6.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q96i6TuoIOY/TvaKS7DKwLI/AAAAAAAAKxU/LZznTp7m0p8/s1600/the-terminator.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0vdskQ6fW1qz7lkuo1_500.jpghttp://bp1.blogger.com/_WkKZJVG5wTk/R9jopOR_w3I/AAAAAAAA6Pw/HRZ6cjV1maA/s400/Mask_1985-150.jpg
:lol

good one.

CSM101
07-27-2012, 01:09 AM
am i the only one that notesed the shoulders are less detailed? hop they do something about that.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3058/2749595188_42fe3a61c0_z.jpg?zz=1

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/378358_10150955194357344_266985601_n.jpg

see the circle part

P.
07-27-2012, 01:25 AM
Why PERS? Did you ever see an Endo moving the eyes on the films?
They have fixed eyes...have you ever seen the terminator movies? :D
from the first terminator skeleton reveal in 1984 movie every terminator doll moves its eyes left and right, as well as the live actor does. from the first movie they called it "a survelliance camera effect".

stoods77
07-27-2012, 01:41 AM
This is cool, I do hope they fix the little lack of detail when released. The chrome plating is awesome.

EndoSickness
07-27-2012, 01:55 AM
am i the only one that notesed the shoulders are less detailed? hop they do something about that.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3058/2749595188_42fe3a61c0_z.jpg?zz=1

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/378358_10150955194357344_266985601_n.jpg

see the circle part

Absoluetely AND they needed to be moveable.
Loved the articulation on the 600´s and THIS HIGHLY needs it too!!!!!!!!!!!!!


have you ever seen the terminator movies? :D
from the first terminator skeleton reveal in 1984 movie every terminator doll moves its eyes left and right, as well as the live actor does. from the first movie they called it "a survelliance camera effect".

:exactly::goodpost::lecture

Sage Yautja
07-27-2012, 02:27 AM
Not bad! :) But first I stick to the new Preds still coming.

Too Much Garlic
07-27-2012, 02:46 AM
That's a T2 endo referenced from a Sideshow full scale and bust pieces adding in so many of the inaccuracies from those. A shame they didn't go with actual SWS T1 endoskeleton reference.

3timesacharm
07-27-2012, 05:06 AM
looks amazing!!! im so getting this....probably will sell out fast as!

a-dev
07-27-2012, 05:14 AM
Centurion, You certainly sold me on the headshape with that comparison! :lol

Endosickness, I read your PM, certainly agree with your feelings, I'll respond in more detail after a browse of the forum!

TooMuchGarlic, agreed. I may not see every innaccuracy myself but I am bothered in principle that HT would use another company's existing product as referance rather than the actual film. Just lazy IMO.

Black Magic, I really don't think you had anything to apologise for but bravo nonethless.

EndoSickness
07-27-2012, 05:21 AM
Centurion, You certainly sold me on the headshape with that comparison! :lol

Endosickness, I read your PM, certainly agree with your feelings, I'll respond in more detail after a browse of the forum!



Awesome, looking forward to it.

:wave

a-dev
07-27-2012, 07:41 AM
At least, I think, they've reangled the thumb into a more realistic direction of movement than the 1:6 versions.

Centurion
07-27-2012, 08:44 AM
My apologies if I offended anyone looking forward to this figure. It was not my intention to bash it. I can see why some think I'm mental in thinking that the old 1/6 release is comparable to this new 1/4 release; on closer inspection, I was a bit mental in suggesting it :lol It's just that I'm looking forward to it so much, that I want it to be perfect, and I'm overanalyzing because I want the definitive endo to show for my 4-500 dollars. Hopefully when I see this in hand, I'll eat my own hat.Welcome to the club! Over 90% of us here overanalyze. :lol :duff

Centurion
07-27-2012, 08:48 AM
Centurion, You certainly sold me on the headshape with that comparison! :lol



Just looking out for my brothas here! :hi5:

r5150s
07-27-2012, 09:54 AM
this is a really great effort on Hot Toys part but like someone said, they should have used some reference from the actual movie..I think the Cinemaquette version is the best representation of the endo out there so here are some of the parts they missed out...

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/r5150s/terminator002c.jpg

never mind the red circle on the wires on the back of the neck..upon closer inspection on the HT prototype, they got that right :wink1:

the holes on the shoulder ( easy mod if they don't add it )
spine inside the torso and of course the joints that connects it to the shoulder to get that rotating shoulder movement
the shape of the arms..

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/r5150s/img1446ay.jpg

on this second pic
you can clearly see the shape of the arms ( same as in any 1/1 scale endo arms )

the top of the thigh's is different shape too..their prototype is a carry over from their original endo

and the lower spine should elongate when you pose him like on the pic...

I'm sure some of you guys remember the custom endo I did a few years back...I was really hoping HT will do most of it :rotfl

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63910&highlight=r5150s

so HT..there's no reason why this endo shouldn't be perfect :wink1:
( not calling mine perfect ) :wave

oh and here's a pic of a 1/1 endo from Winston studios

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/r5150s/2667-0001b2.jpg

Rob

a-dev
07-27-2012, 10:17 AM
I'm sure some of you guys remember the custom endo I did a few years back

I'm familiar with that :monkey3

I shall study your images when I'm not in work!

Basically, yeah I don't think this figure is everything it could have been considering the advantages its scale ought to have brought, and I'm sure what we see is what we'll get, but nevertheless I'll buy it and no doubt enjoy it.

EndoSickness
07-27-2012, 10:50 AM
I'm familiar with that :monkey3


:lol



I shall study your images when I'm not in work!

Basically, yeah I don't think this figure is everything it could have been considering the advantages its scale ought to have brought, and I'm sure what we see is what we'll get, but nevertheless I'll buy it and no doubt enjoy it.

I certainly will too, like I wrote you, A-Dev, but under the same subject, I just wrote this on HT´s facebook:

"Dear Hot Toys staff.

Although I really like your new chromed quarter scale T-800 Endoskeleton, on which I congratulate you on the PERFECT job of electroplating it and several of my collegues and friends in collecting find it great too...there are several things I/we would like to see included in this great piece.

Especially since you teased it with the words that this endoskeleton would benefit from your experience on previous endos.

Here is a list, which would show great interest in your fans, if those features would be included/ accomplished:

- weathering of the chrome (since it has been portrayed as being active longer and /or dirtied due to battle/shedding the skin, and never fully factory fresh)

- wires & hoses in the lower arms

- removeable CPU cover, shock damping assembly & CPU

- realistic shoulder movement as with the Series 600 endoskeletons

- ball-jointed hip to thigh articulation, in style, also from the T-600 for a better range of movement

-articulated toes (your first 1:6 endoskeletons had it, why not the 1:4)

- PERS (movie reference: / T2 future ware sequence of the T-800 crushing the skull and searching the area, while the war rages in the background, or several documentations where the makers of the movies said that they wanted to achieve a "surveillance camera effect)

I´m sure the final piece will look amazing, but these features would truely show they experience you gathered all through your first endoskeletons, the T-600 and last but not least, the soon to be DX-11.

best regards from germany"

P.
07-27-2012, 11:00 AM
"Dear EndoSickness,

thank you for your interest in Hot Toys product."

Patriot666
07-27-2012, 11:07 AM
The teeth are better on this one than the Cinemaquette IMO.

EndoSickness
07-27-2012, 11:12 AM
"Dear EndoSickness,

thank you for your interest in Hot Toys product."

:thud:





















:rotfl

Probably.

:1-1:

a-dev
07-27-2012, 11:29 AM
:lol



I certainly will too, like I wrote you, A-Dev, but under the same subject, I just wrote this on HT´s facebook:

"Dear Hot Toys staff.

Although I really like your new chromed quarter scale T-800 Endoskeleton, on which I congratulate you on the PERFECT job of electroplating it and several of my collegues and friends in collecting find it great too...there are several things I/we would like to see included in this great piece.

Especially since you teased it with the words that this endoskeleton would benefit from your experience on previous endos.

Here is a list, which would show great interest in your fans, if those features would be included/ accomplished:

- weathering of the chrome (since it has been portrayed as being active longer and /or dirtied due to battle/shedding the skin, and never fully factory fresh)

- wires & hoses in the lower arms

- removeable CPU cover, shock damping assembly & CPU

- realistic shoulder movement as with the Series 600 endoskeletons

- ball-jointed hip to thigh articulation, in style, also from the T-600 for a better range of movement

-articulated toes (your first 1:6 endoskeletons had it, why not the 1:4)

- PERS (movie reference: / T2 future ware sequence of the T-800 crushing the skull and searching the area, while the war rages in the background, or several documentations where the makers of the movies said that they wanted to achieve a "surveillance camera effect)

I´m sure the final piece will look amazing, but these features would truely show they experience you gathered all through your first endoskeletons, the T-600 and last but not least, the soon to be DX-11.

best regards from germany"

Good stuff Timo. I'm sure you've just given them ideas for their next 1:4 scale endo rather than this one though.


"Dear EndoSickness,

thank you for your interest in Hot Toys product."

:rotfl:exactly: along with responses from the complaining anti-complaining brigade attacking and slagging Timo off most likely. :rolleyes2

EndoSickness
07-27-2012, 11:36 AM
Good stuff Timo. I'm sure you've just given them ideas for their next 1:4 scale endo rather than this one though.



:rotfl:exactly: along with responses from the complaining anti-complaining brigade attacking and slagging Timo off most likely. :rolleyes2

For whom I don´t give a damn, cause it all comes down to ACT and if they won´t and just cry and slag and what not...their problem, not mine.

If one doesn´t say anything...NOTHING will happen.

What was it...man, it´s on the tip of my tongue...Andrew could you help?!

"The future is not..." and then?! "done"..."fix"..."complete"?!
What was it?!

Fill the blank, buddy...will ya?! I don´t get the words right...

:wink1: :lol

Centurion
07-27-2012, 12:33 PM
"Dear EndoSickness,

thank you for your interest in Hot Toys product.
Stay tuned tight."

:lecture Fixed.

EndoSickness
07-27-2012, 12:52 PM
:lecture Fixed.

:lol

The message you have entered is sufficient. Please keep your message the way it is now

Too Much Garlic
07-27-2012, 04:36 PM
spine inside the torso
No such thing on the real endoskeletons. Was an added feature for the Cinemaquette only.


The teeth are better on this one than the Cinemaquette IMO.
How can they be when the Cinemaquette was cast from original SWS molds and the HT teeth are an inaccuracy referenced from the Sideshow bust.

a-dev
07-27-2012, 04:43 PM
For whom I don´t give a damn, cause it all comes down to ACT and if they won´t and just cry and slag and what not...their problem, not mine.

If one doesn´t say anything...NOTHING will happen.

What was it...man, it´s on the tip of my tongue...Andrew could you help?!

"The future is not..." and then?! "done"..."fix"..."complete"?!
What was it?!

Fill the blank, buddy...will ya?! I don´t get the words right...

:wink1: :lol

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt28/a-dev/Terminator_2_394.jpg

azurepred
07-27-2012, 05:42 PM
How can they be when the Cinemaquette was cast from original SWS molds and the HT teeth are an inaccuracy referenced from the Sideshow bust.

I don't know where you got that information, but that's completely false. There was no 1/3 Endoskeleton miniatures, so the CM Endo didn't come from any SWS molds. Some people say the CM Endo was laser scanned, others say it wasn't. There really isn't much proof out there to prove which is true. The Endoskeleton may be the most accurate, but it's not completely accurate, and the pose is weird too. I've never really been fond of that Endo.

darkmummy
07-27-2012, 06:44 PM
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii573/realdarkmummy/000650rck4y77d7kxyqk7d.jpg
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii573/realdarkmummy/000642o1saput7qau9lhfz.jpg
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii573/realdarkmummy/12280256dl5b8ge5g1xleg.jpg
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii573/realdarkmummy/1228059oc9589afall2xo9.jpg

Definitly can tell there're some problem on this figure, but there's no any other endo around this price which could match this quality. And only from the head sculpt, HT is the winner, just go back to check CM and SS1/2 if you want.

a-dev
07-27-2012, 06:47 PM
The chrome looks better in those shots than in the official proto-pics, still very clean but a deeper shade than it initially appeared if that makes sense. Teeth do seem a little on the overly prominent side though.

darkmummy
07-27-2012, 06:48 PM
So that's CM's head...emmm...2 gram.
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii573/realdarkmummy/CINEMAQUETTE-T-800.jpg
http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii573/realdarkmummy/CM_T-800_3.jpg

a-dev
07-27-2012, 06:51 PM
Maybe just the pose but there is zero neck on that thing. That not a bit of a glaring anatomical oddity to anyone? Put human flesh over that and he'd be the elephant man.

Patriot666
07-27-2012, 06:56 PM
No such thing on the real endoskeletons. Was an added feature for the Cinemaquette only.


How can they be when the Cinemaquette was cast from original SWS molds and the HT teeth are an inaccuracy referenced from the Sideshow bust.


I don't know where you got that information, but that's completely false. There was no 1/3 Endoskeleton miniatures, so the CM Endo didn't come from any SWS molds. Some people say the CM Endo was laser scanned, others say it wasn't. There really isn't much proof out there to prove which is true. The Endoskeleton may be the most accurate, but it's not completely accurate, and the pose is weird too. I've never really been fond of that Endo.

I love the pose, scale, and everything about the CM Endoskeleton. It's just my opinion that realistic acrylic teeth are much more screen accurate than the painted CM teeth. Idk if it was laser scanned...all I know is Arnold had normal human teeth in Terminator, which is what this HT has.

r5150s
07-27-2012, 07:09 PM
[QUOTE=Too Much Garlic;4718518]No such thing on the real endoskeletons. Was an added feature for the Cinemaquette only.


really ? you know this for a fact ? cause this pic is one of the endos
on the Winston auction and you can clearly see it..in 1/1 scale

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/r5150s/2667-0001b2.jpg

Black Magic
07-28-2012, 12:26 AM
This figure is actually looking a lot better in the ani-com pictures vs the promo shots. Still, the teeth are bugging me. What's bugging me the most is that the top row of teeth is narrower than the bottom row of teeth, which looks really weird and inhuman, and the top incisors aren't overlapping the bottom ones slightly either, also inhuman looking. Maybe the bottom row is slightly too long?:dunno I think if the teeth were tweaked just a bit, this figure would be close enough for someone like me, who isn't a endo expert.

stoods77
07-28-2012, 01:10 AM
I'm going to get this, then I can rip apart my Neca 18" Endo for customising.

jkno
07-28-2012, 02:52 AM
I like how people compare the old 1:6 HT and the new 1:4 proto. The new Endo should be better indeed, if it wasn't at least a bit, then why would want someone to buy just a scaled up figure. The new one still has some less details alas, hopefully it will be fixed. As for Cinemaquette I never like their endo, nice statue, but waaaaay overpriced, plus the pose is simply gay, no matter if it comes from a specific scene, it still is very weird.

Anyway I'm going to get this baby and I think I have already a display case for it, it was for the PF Vader but will go well for the Endo. Can't wait to see more pics. Really cool to see it is chromed. :clap

Too Much Garlic
07-28-2012, 03:21 AM
I don't know where you got that information, but that's completely false. There was no 1/3 Endoskeleton miniatures, so the CM Endo didn't come from any SWS molds. Some people say the CM Endo was laser scanned, others say it wasn't. There really isn't much proof out there to prove which is true. The Endoskeleton may be the most accurate, but it's not completely accurate, and the pose is weird too. I've never really been fond of that Endo.

It's third scale? Christ, I apologize, I must have mistaken it for something else then. Sorry about the misinformation.



No such thing on the real endoskeletons. Was an added feature for the Cinemaquette only.
really ? you know this for a fact ? cause this pic is one of the endos
on the Winston auction and you can clearly see it..in 1/1 scale

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn265/r5150s/2667-0001b2.jpg
Right, I forgot about the T3 style. But this HT endo is supposed to be T1... yet is T2... but with the inclusion of the spine inside the chest... it'll be T3. Talk about an amalgam of styles.

EndoSickness
07-28-2012, 04:09 AM
I think the teeth don't look anything near human...well...it looks like after a human took a punch...Yeah.
But that's all.

Why not take the scene where the endo rises from the fire. This scene should suffice for reference.

But I'm with A-Dev: Like the chroming much more on those pics. Detailing is come out better.

Let's see what's coming out of it until the release...

Kiva
07-28-2012, 05:15 AM
needs PERS

a-dev
07-28-2012, 06:39 AM
We need the DC photoshop masters in here to fix those teeth.

David
07-28-2012, 07:27 AM
Not a PS master but i'm up for the job.
Here's my attempt.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1829/endo1.jpg

a-dev
07-28-2012, 07:48 AM
It makes a more subtle change than I imagined but an improvement nonetheless.

P.
07-28-2012, 08:15 AM
just noticed that ht copied every fail of ss, including asimmetry of the face (jaw). haha.
they'd better copy the movie dolls but they are too cheaty for that and buyers are too ignorant.
still... it's an attempt! they already added 2 more wires into his chest, like in the movie. (and i don't mean the simplified t2 skeleton here)
only 100 more attempts are left!

Voorhees27
07-28-2012, 08:17 AM
just noticed that ht copied every fail of ss, including asimmetry of the face (jaw). haha.
they'd better copy the movie dolls but they are too cheaty for that and buyers are too ignorant.

No some buyers just don't suffer from chronic OCD.

jaxon
07-28-2012, 08:19 AM
They got the eyes right.
Looking up all menacing!
You can can see the angle from there unpacking photos, chrome looks good too.
Jaw looks a little uneven, but overall I'm in

jkno
07-28-2012, 08:44 AM
1. I'm curious about the price of this baby.
2. How does the stand work in holding the Endo?

a-dev
07-28-2012, 08:57 AM
No some buyers just don't suffer from chronic OCD.

You must admit though, its plain lazy of HT to simply copy another company's work - if indeed that is the case. Set aside how OCD one perhaps has to be to consider this unsalvageable because of whatever innaccuracies there may be - should HT be looking at another company's figure or the actual film and the plethora of referance available directly from it?

Voorhees27
07-28-2012, 09:20 AM
You must admit though, its plain lazy of HT to simply copy another company's work - if indeed that is the case. Set aside how OCD one perhaps has to be to consider this unsalvageable because of whatever innaccuracies there may be - should HT be looking at another company's figure or the actual film and the plethora of referance available directly from it?

If we're basing something on an assumption i'm not interested in the argument. Besides this is a prototype. Not final.

Sideshows lacks in the width of the jaw area but it's still a damn nice bust. I'm sure HT's will improve this.

a-dev
07-28-2012, 09:43 AM
If we're basing something on an assumption i'm not interested in the argument. Besides this is a prototype. Not final.

Sideshows lacks in the width of the jaw area but it's still a damn nice bust. I'm sure HT's will improve this.

Glad I added the 'if indeed that is the case' part of my post. Well, you'd have to prove that what is being called an innaccuracy is in fact an innaccuracy and I guess thats where we'd lose most people. Then you'd have to prove that this innaccuracy is common to both the HT and the SS or whatever its being alleged HT copied. Few people care enough to go through that. Guess I'm a fence-sitter. I can understand both sides.

Voorhees27
07-28-2012, 10:30 AM
Glad I added the 'if indeed that is the case' part of my post. Well, you'd have to prove that what is being called an innaccuracy is in fact an innaccuracy and I guess thats where we'd lose most people. Then you'd have to prove that this innaccuracy is common to both the HT and the SS or whatever its being alleged HT copied. Few people care enough to go through that. Guess I'm a fence-sitter. I can understand both sides.

I also agree with this. Of course I want an accurate product but i'd also want something versus nothing too. I'm obviously a huge T1 fan and would definitely want something accurate for the price but let's be honest here, how "off" is the likeness?

At one time the HT's Endo was considered "it" for Terminators collectibles. It's not anything great anymore.

Imo what you see is what you get. Take it or leave it really.

EndoSickness
07-28-2012, 10:31 AM
Well, I have to be honest too.
A quarter scaled Endo will be one hell of a piece anyway and also truly the center piece of my collection.

Don't know how other feel about it.
But there are several things that need to be fixed and Voorhees is right by saying that this is "just" a prototype. And HOPEFULLY they'll be fixed.

I developed the thought that this reveal is ONLY to show the success of electroplating the whole piece and to show the sculpt so far.

From that point...it IS HIGHLY successful and theres surely half a year to go before the release and I guess/ hope it'll stunning.

David
07-28-2012, 10:56 AM
April 3rd, Hot Toys said :

"We are excited to present our long developed secret project - the 1:4th scale Endoskeleton Collectible from The Terminator movie!
The prototype is ready now and will go to mass production soon!
With past experience in the Endoskeleton development, this one is going to be more advanced, with electroplated armor and some metal parts!

Fans, more details will be unveiled very soon! Stay tuned!"

I don't expect anything more from them, in the end I can only be surprised. For now, I'm waiting for EB's response. There is room for a much much better endoskeleton and I think they can do it.

Voorhees27
07-28-2012, 11:36 AM
April 3rd, Hot Toys said :

"We are excited to present our long developed secret project - the 1:4th scale Endoskeleton Collectible from The Terminator movie!
The prototype is ready now and will go to mass production soon!
With past experience in the Endoskeleton development, this one is going to be more advanced, with electroplated armor and some metal parts!

Fans, more details will be unveiled very soon! Stay tuned!"

I don't expect anything more from them, in the end I can only be surprised. For now, I'm waiting for EB's response. There is room for a much much better endoskeleton and I think they can do it.

8 1/2 months? Why so long?

Apone
07-28-2012, 11:52 AM
Interesting that the 1/4 pieces are QS, what does that stand for? I imagine Batman will be QS1?

Really? QS? Quarter Scale

azurepred
07-28-2012, 12:27 PM
April 3rd, Hot Toys said :

"We are excited to present our long developed secret project - the 1:4th scale Endoskeleton Collectible from The Terminator movie!
The prototype is ready now and will go to mass production soon!
With past experience in the Endoskeleton development, this one is going to be more advanced, with electroplated armor and some metal parts!

Fans, more details will be unveiled very soon! Stay tuned!"

I don't expect anything more from them, in the end I can only be surprised. For now, I'm waiting for EB's response. There is room for a much much better endoskeleton and I think they can do it.

might just wait to see what EB does as well. 1st qtr is bad enough as it is for me.


Really? QS? Quarter Scale

Wow, someone is 11 pages late to the party? :dunno

Blade3327
07-28-2012, 01:02 PM
They didn't copy the Sideshow bust, that's the thing. The face isn't quite as long and the teeth are hugely improved. Really, the only glaring detail (or lack thereof) is the missing sunk-in section on the shoulder. Wires along the hands would be nice too, but I imagine that would be a pain in the neck in any scale besides 1/1. They'd have to be incredibly thin and therefore fragile -- meaning you wouldn't be able to pose those areas too much. I'd rather they keep it durable, if that's indeed the reason they're not adding those.

David
07-28-2012, 01:39 PM
8 1/2 months? Why so long?

Dunno. I'm scared they're actually producing the endo right now...


They didn't copy the Sideshow bust, that's the thing. The face isn't quite as long and the teeth are hugely improved. Really, the only glaring detail (or lack thereof) is the missing sunk-in section on the shoulder. Wires along the hands would be nice too, but I imagine that would be a pain in the neck in any scale besides 1/1. They'd have to be incredibly thin and therefore fragile -- meaning you wouldn't be able to pose those areas too much. I'd rather they keep it durable, if that's indeed the reason they're not adding those.

Really? They might not fully copy the Sideshow bust they are definitely influenced by it. The large port cover is an another giveaway.

I was looking for this pic since the discussion on the headscuplt :

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5598/t800ss.jpg

EndoSickness
07-28-2012, 01:51 PM
After again seeing this pic I really hope they blacken more of the deeper details as the port cover, details around the eye sockets and so on.

I just so want this to be an exact duplicate of an endoskeleton in 1/4.

Prolly one of, if not THE only 1/4 piece I´ll ever get...

azurepred
07-28-2012, 01:55 PM
After again seeing this pic I really hope they blacken more of the deeper details as the port cover, details around the eye sockets and so on.

I just so want this to be an exact duplicate of an endoskeleton in 1/4.

Prolly one of, if not THE only 1/4 piece I´ll ever get...

well the 1:1 and 1:2 versions aren't even close to exact duplicates, so............

EndoSickness
07-28-2012, 02:09 PM
well the 1:1 and 1:2 versions aren't even close to exact duplicates, so............

Yeah, you´re right about that, but concering the shape now and the sculpt...there´s potential!

jaxon
07-28-2012, 04:17 PM
It's already on eBay, $450.

Blade3327
07-28-2012, 04:20 PM
I want that damn exclusive, so if Sideshow overcharges for this guy, I'm screwed. Then again they'll probably offer free domestic shipping, which evens things out. Argh, a concrete price would be nice.

P.
07-28-2012, 05:49 PM
I'm obviously a huge T1 fan and would definitely want something accurate for the price but let's be honest here, how "off" is the likeness? arms (parts before palms) are off.
palms are off (and they are based on t2).
shoulders are off.
chest is off.
neck is off.
head is off.
feet are off.
back is off (plain again like on every toy since MF).
hips and waist are either ok or i don't see big mistakes there.
and i did not take into consideration all liquid transporting tubes to the hydraulics, though they were easy to make on 1/4, but ok, nobody ever tried to copy them except one guy in neca thread with his 18" t2 skeleton.
i do not know why you asked your question and what you'll do with the answer, but here it is.
and the most sad thing is that HT copied all those mistakes (except ugly head) from their own figure, never trying to see the movie skeleton :D i hoped for a remake and they give us a reissue.

CSM101
07-28-2012, 07:08 PM
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/533569_10150641493349632_204339369631_9355400_4767 33298_n.jpg

the ENTERBAY looks very high quality, but i prefer clean and chrome.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-Toys-1-4-LED-Light-Up-Terminator-T800-Endoskeleton-Figure-NEW-/221083299131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3379976d3b

comes out in 30 days?

Patriot666
07-28-2012, 07:16 PM
^^^^^Hey...that's me!

a-dev
07-28-2012, 07:20 PM
If memory serves that picture turned out not to be the EB Endoskeleton.

Blade3327
07-28-2012, 07:20 PM
arms (parts before palms) are off.
palms are off (and they are based on t2).
shoulders are off.
chest is off.
neck is off.
head is off.
feet are off.
back is off (plain again like on every toy since MF).
hips and waist are either ok or i don't see big mistakes there.
and i did not take into consideration all liquid transporting tubes to the hydraulics, though they were easy to make on 1/4, but ok, nobody ever tried to copy them except one guy in neca thread with his 18" t2 skeleton.
i do not know why you asked your question and what you'll do with the answer, but here it is.
and the most sad thing is that HT copied all those mistakes (except ugly head) from their own figure, never trying to see the movie skeleton :D i hoped for a remake and they give us a reissue.

How off are they, though? That's the question.







http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/533569_10150641493349632_204339369631_9355400_4767 33298_n.jpg

the ENTERBAY looks very high quality, but i prefer clean and chrome.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-Toys-1-4-LED-Light-Up-Terminator-T800-Endoskeleton-Figure-NEW-/221083299131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3379976d3b

comes out in 30 days?

That's not Enterbay's Endoskeleton. That's the 1/1 Sideshow statue that Bill uploaded a picture of for some reason. Not even kidding. We haven't seen theirs yet.

Voorhees27
07-28-2012, 07:42 PM
My bad P. you've mistaken me for someone who actually gives a ____ :lol

Basically I was trying to say who cares. :lol

Marcus Wright
07-28-2012, 09:12 PM
This will be like a dream come true. Centrepiece of my collection. Figures like this will always be more appealing than human character toys as this do actually look 100% like the ones on movie if u know what I mean. I am very excited to say the least.

Now I need a HT 1/4 scale T800 Arnie

P.
07-28-2012, 10:40 PM
My bad P. you've mistaken me for someone who actually gives a ____ :loli'd say that you've mistaken yourself for
I'm obviously a huge T1 fan and would definitely want something accurate for the price :)

How off are they, though? That's the question.are you short of screenshots?
i could provide them if there was any use for me in that . and as long as you are not a HT sculptor or a person who depicted himself as a
someone who actually gives a ____ :lol, there is none. well, actually you could provide them, but you don't want to search and explore, so back to "no use" for you or me.
hell, at least making the arm pistons parallel or putting wires between them, fixing the chest and neck wires is possible even for me without all huge money of a big company or arms growing from a right place, but even i don't call my customs
- Authentic and detailed fully realized likeness of Endoskeleton in The Terminator movie, like they do about a simple reissue of their old totally off skeleton.
they also promise robocain. a thing of the same or even more complexity. i guess we'll see just a big copy of a kotobukiya robot. at least he is very accurate.
their skeleton was really cool in those days back. it's just a shame to give what they do in 2012, for example looking at how their human figures evolved in clothes material, thin details, face paint from those years.

Blade3327
07-29-2012, 01:05 AM
I'd say their materials and thin details have evolved on the Endoskeleton as well. The chrome effect and paint apps are extremely well-done.

For you, I'd recommend adding those extra wires yourself (which you'll probably do anyway) since we as buyers have more options and can buy whatever looks best for whatever we're willing to spend. And you wouldn't have to worry about durability since, being the person who put the wires in, you'll know what the figure can and can't do once they're in place. Go for it on a custom, really. There's just too great a risk on a mass-produced figure. You never know what they could screw up when it comes to QC.

I think you're getting these reactions from other members because you claim the figure to be "totally off" when it isn't. There are a few minor details that are inaccurate, but ultimately, it's very close. You're acting almost as if this is a repeat of the City Hunter Predator fiasco, which it isn't. There's no denying HT did a much better job on this, even if it isn't perfect. Especially compared to the old Endoskeleton.
It smells like a DC thread in here. You're totally justified when it comes to P2 (they actually took a step back in terms of sculpt on that one, which didn't happen here), but what you're saying here is getting to be a little too specific to expect from a mass-produced figure. Like I said, customize it all you want; it's unlikely we'll ever see a truly flawless representation of any of these characters unless you can go back in time and shrink the actors to fit on your shelf.

stoods77
07-29-2012, 01:26 AM
I think the HT 1/6 endo is a great figure, and if they make such a good figure in 1/6 then i'm sure the 1/4 will rock when it's released. There's time for them to "fix" the tiny little inaccuracies. 1 thing i think would be cool if the port opened to reveal the CPU.

P.
07-29-2012, 07:58 AM
Blade3327
i do not know how much patience you spent to write your post, maybe you actually wanted it to be a lot more rude, maybe you're just a totally nonconflict person... in my turn i must make it "spent" not "waisted" :)
if it is made in 1/6, i replace all my 3 skeletons plus get 2 to replace 4 arms in customs for chrome (2 for t2 and 2 for t1. already prepared everything to be replaceable, thanks to no construction change).
if it is only 1/4...
http://s43.radikal.ru/i100/1207/39/5db6efa9e7c0.jpg

Blade3327
07-29-2012, 01:28 PM
Blade3327
i do not know how much patience you spent to write your post, maybe you actually wanted it to be a lot more rude, maybe you're just a totally nonconflict person... in my turn i must make it "spent" not "waisted" :)
if it is made in 1/6, i replace all my 3 skeletons plus get 2 to replace 4 arms in customs for chrome (2 for t2 and 2 for t1. already prepared everything to be replaceable, thanks to no construction change).
if it is only 1/4...
http://s43.radikal.ru/i100/1207/39/5db6efa9e7c0.jpg

I'll be rude if the situation calls for it. Seeing as you didn't immaturely wish death on Tsang, there was no reason to get snappy.
My point was that out of the recent Predator and Terminator collectibles HT has been putting out lately, this one requires the least amount of customization -- and it's also the easiest, but there isn't much the company itself can do without shooting the price up another $100 and spending an extra year on R&D. The buyers, however, can figure out the best material for their own needs within a matter of days and it'll cost less too.

As for a 1/6 version, it's very likely we'll see one soon. HT knows people want one and they've even teased the smaller figure when they first announced the 1/4.

dozogovi
07-29-2012, 01:29 PM
this just makes me excited to see what enterbay will be offering. I cant see myself spending all that money on a endo looking like hes wearing dentures. not to mention the chest is all wrong. please please enterbay post your sweetness soon!

David
07-29-2012, 01:42 PM
There are chances that EB's will try to scale down Sideshow's 2.0 1:1 statue. Good enough for me.
I just hope they won't copy the wrong pistons position :

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3273/wrongo.png

azurepred
07-29-2012, 02:16 PM
There are chances that EB's will try to scale down Sideshow's 2.0 1:1 statue. Good enough for me.
I just hope they won't copy the wrong pistons position :

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3273/wrongo.png

that one isn't accurate either, so if they do, ppl will just _____ and moan like they are with this one. The teeth on that 1:1 Endo don't look all that different then what we are getting here either. I bet the EB Endo won't be chrome if that's their intention.

P.
07-29-2012, 02:19 PM
My point was that out of the recent Predator and Terminator collectibles HT has been putting out lately, this one requires the least amount of customization -- and it's also the easiestcan you resculpt feet? palms? do you even know that palms and feet should look differently?
can you put wires into palms going to fingers (even EB did no matter how ugly the result is)?
make the back not flat?
buy 1 additional skeleton for every 1 you customise to get the pistons attaching details?
can you make the chest hollow as it should be with joints inside, instead of the covering surface as it is?
can you resculpt head to give it a t1 or at least a t2 look instead of an SS donkey face?
i cannot do anything of that, neither can you or anybody here. and the producing company could. and they said that they did it, advertising it as "Authentic and detailed fully realized likeness of Endoskeleton in The Terminator movie".

David
07-29-2012, 02:33 PM
that one isn't accurate either, so if they do, ppl will just _____ and moan like they are with this one. The teeth on that 1:1 Endo don't look all that different then what we are getting here either. I bet the EB Endo won't be chrome if that's their intention.

Yeah. Let's just hope they Google some pics and use good references.
Regarding the chrome, I'm waiting their first teasers before saying anything. ;)

Blade3327
07-29-2012, 02:48 PM
can you resculpt feet? palms? do you even know that palms and feet should look differently?
can you put wires into palms going to fingers (even EB did no matter how ugly the result is)?
make the back not flat?
buy 1 additional skeleton for every 1 you customise to get the pistons attaching details?
can you make the chest hollow as it should be with joints inside, instead of the covering surface as it is?
can you resculpt head to give it a t1 or at least a t2 look instead of an SS donkey face?
i cannot do anything of that, neither can you or anybody here. and the producing company could. and they said that they did it, advertising it as "Authentic and detailed fully realized likeness of Endoskeleton in The Terminator movie".

I take it you expect your human figures to come with a full set of internal organs too?

P.
07-29-2012, 03:00 PM
I take it you expect your human figures to come with a full set of internal organs too?are human figures internal organs exposed like endoskeleton details?
Blade, you go the wrong way already :)
p.s. i managed to make "internal organs", they are easy to make because of soft shapes and blood cover. cannot say the same for strict metal shapes and especially painting (i'm a total loser in painting). my endo-eye in BD T1 looks like a silver potato and only the size saves it from fail )

snoop101
07-29-2012, 05:25 PM
arms (parts before palms) are off.
palms are off (and they are based on t2).
shoulders are off.
chest is off.
neck is off.
head is off.
feet are off.
back is off (plain again like on every toy since MF).
hips and waist are either ok or i don't see big mistakes there.
and i did not take into consideration all liquid transporting tubes to the hydraulics, though they were easy to make on 1/4, but ok, nobody ever tried to copy them except one guy in neca thread with his 18" t2 skeleton.
i do not know why you asked your question and what you'll do with the answer, but here it is.
and the most sad thing is that HT copied all those mistakes (except ugly head) from their own figure, never trying to see the movie skeleton :D i hoped for a remake and they give us a reissue.


i'd say that you've mistaken yourself for :)




:lectureTheres a big difference between being a fan and being extremely obsessive :lol

olbertfrog
07-29-2012, 05:36 PM
He's right the figure is not completely screen acurate so far.
The missing or wrong details he pointed toward are there so its not like he's imagining things.
He has the right to be perfectionist as he wishes to be.

Now most of us are satisfied by the quality of the product but i can accept that die hard fans can be dissapointed why at such scale some accuracies are missing.

I'm sure if he contacted HT and that HT adressed those issues we will be all very happy about his input because the bottom line is that we all want what we saw on screen.
It's obsessive fans like him that work for these companies that made the hobby what it is today.
Detailed, screen accurate awesome figures :)

:)

snoop101
07-29-2012, 06:10 PM
Damn, just noticed the release date for this. :thud: Oh well, atleast I'll have time to save $$$.

Patriot666
07-29-2012, 06:47 PM
:monkey1 But he has two guns... :yess:

The Skull
07-29-2012, 07:48 PM
He's right the figure is not completely screen acurate so far.
The missing or wrong details he pointed toward are there so its not like he's imagining things.
He has the right to be perfectionist as he wishes to be.

Now most of us are satisfied by the quality of the product but i can accept that die hard fans can be dissapointed why at such scale some accuracies are missing.

I'm sure if he contacted HT and that HT adressed those issues we will be all very happy about his input because the bottom line is that we all want what we saw on screen.
It's obsessive fans like him that work for these companies that made the hobby what it is today.
Detailed, screen accurate awesome figures :)

:)

:goodpost: I don't see any reason to attack P. for his attention to detail about a line he cares about deeply:dunno I see people all over this forum posting about crap that is not acturate on a daily basis. I don't know many people who know more about terminator details than P. and his customs are proof of his passion for the hobby. I really want the 1:6 version of an endo myself and if they produce it I will buy it with or without the inacurates but I would much prefer it to be as correct as possible and at 1:4 scale size and price there should be less room for error.

Marcus Wright
07-29-2012, 07:55 PM
I wonder if they will make this in 1/6 scale as well, I really want this type on endo so if no 1/6 scale, I might have to go for 1/4 scale, but I would prefer 1/6 so that its consistent with my collection.

By the way, does anyone know what are the chance for hot toys 1/4 scale Arnie from T2? I heard that they will make The predator Arnie in 1/4 scale, is that right??

azurepred
07-29-2012, 07:55 PM
I see people all over this forum posting about crap that is not acturate on a daily basis.

and yet people seem to never get that nothing is ever going to be perfect, nothing. These companies do have deadlines. If some of you ppl expect absolute perfection with HT, your kidding yourselves.

Patriot666
07-29-2012, 07:58 PM
and yet people seem to never get that nothing is ever going to be perfect, nothing. These companies do have deadlines. If some of you ppl expect absolute perfection with HT, your kidding yourselves.

That's true. Only expect perfection from Enterbay. :wink1:

Thunderlips
07-29-2012, 08:06 PM
i know hot toys is know for alot of detail, but will the 1/4 scale stuff look as good and as expensive as 1/4 scale statues from SS. i wonder if this will push SS to make higher quality and QC get better

P.
07-29-2012, 08:10 PM
olbertfrog
The Skull
thank you for support, but i already noticed another thing about "inaccuracies".
a common dialog looks like this:
- this is a perfect figure!
- but with inaccuracies.
- i cannot see any!
- i can see 15.
- name them!
- here they are.
- you're stupid.
:)

jaxon
07-29-2012, 08:11 PM
Less talking, more pics already!

Black Magic
07-29-2012, 08:40 PM
Agreed; more pics from the ani-com floor, please. So are the prices that are on eBay now pretty representative of the final price? I'm kind of curious why pricing info hasn't been made readily availabe if the figure was to go on pre-order at the show, unless I missed that somewhere.

azurepred
07-29-2012, 09:05 PM
That's true. Only expect perfection from Enterbay. :wink1:

:panic::panic::panic:


i know hot toys is know for alot of detail, but will the 1/4 scale stuff look as good and as expensive as 1/4 scale statues from SS. i wonder if this will push SS to make higher quality and QC get better

well, this already looks better then SS's attempt at a 1/4 Endo. We won't really know until we get some of these 1/4 HT pieces in hand. The EB T-800 is better then any Term statue put out, but it still felt like a bigger doll to me. They should lose to doll stands, and use magnets or somethin, I think that would help.

jkno
07-29-2012, 11:36 PM
well, this already looks better then SS's attempt at a 1/4 Endo. We won't really know until we get some of these 1/4 HT pieces in hand. The EB T-800 is better then any Term statue put out, but it still felt like a bigger doll to me. They should lose to doll stands, and use magnets or somethin, I think that would help.

I also hope the stands for these endos to be more subtle, maybe replaced by a damaged wall or something

stoods77
07-29-2012, 11:53 PM
Magnets wouldbe ideal to stand it. As for the detail debate, look at the figuresfrom say 5 years ago compared to today's. So imagine how they'll be in 5 years time. Maybe by then they'll digitally scan the orginal full size from the movie(being an actor or a prop) then use a 3d printer to create it in the real world(by then the 3d printers might be less expensive and improved).

Just my thinking.

Lejuan
07-30-2012, 12:01 AM
Magnets wouldbe ideal to stand it. As for the detail debate, look at the figuresfrom say 5 years ago compared to today's. So imagine how they'll be in 5 years time. Maybe by then they'll digitally scan the orginal full size from the movie(being an actor or a prop) then use a 3d printer to create it in the real world(by then the 3d printers might be less expensive and improved).

Just my thinking.

I haven't been following this thread too closely, but it seems to me that the inaccuracyin the detailing has little to do with manufacturing and materials technology and a lot to do with lazy designing. Normally I'm pretty easy to please, but imo these issues aren't trivial in a 1/4 scale figure commanding a premium MSRP.

P.
07-30-2012, 01:08 AM
As for the detail debate, look at the figuresfrom say 5 years ago compared to today's. So imagine how they'll be in 5 years time. looking on HT example...
no shape changes in more than 5 years!
looking at mcfarlane skeleton... no change in shapes since it to HT!
so no place for imagination.

RIDDICK
07-30-2012, 01:33 AM
looking at mcfarlane skeleton... no change in shapes since it to HT!

:lol sad but true.

Too Much Garlic
07-30-2012, 11:16 AM
I just cannot believe companies are using other companies' pieces as reference. Isn't that like a big NO-NO? Regardless, it's just LAZY, as they shouldn't use anything but screen used or originals as reference. Otherwise they are just copying the same inaccuracies from each other that was complained about before... and will then be complained about again and again and again.

That's not improvement, that's not getting things right. There is an authentic Stan Winston Studios endoskeleton standing in the lobby of a hotel in Japan - I believe it was a hotel. HT has been told about that piece, but apparently thought it better to just reference Sideshow pieces instead of the real thing - and Sideshow pieces are what... 4th, 5th or 10th generation away from original, reworked and altered at every generation putting it further away from accurate + being severely under-sized.

I just don't understand the mentality of referencing other companies' products instead of going to the source and get things right.

I think the previous HT sixth scale endos were pretty cool. Could they be better. Of course they could. But incorporating the inaccuracies from those + adding inaccuracies from other licensed companies' products into a fourth scale and potential new sixth scale release is just not making sense to me. I guess they'll sell out... but it's just an opportunity lost to get it exactly right and hit it out of the park.

a-dev
07-30-2012, 11:32 AM
I just cannot believe companies are using other companies' pieces as reference. Isn't that like a big NO-NO? Regardless, it's just LAZY, as they shouldn't use anything but screen used or originals as reference. Otherwise they are just copying the same inaccuracies from each other that was complained about before... and will then be complained about again and again and again.

That's not improvement, that's not getting things right. There is an authentic Stan Winston Studios endoskeleton standing in the lobby of a hotel in Japan - I believe it was a hotel. HT has been told about that piece, but apparently thought it better to just reference Sideshow pieces instead of the real thing - and Sideshow pieces are what... 4th, 5th or 10th generation away from original, reworked and altered at every generation putting it further away from accurate + being severely under-sized.

I just don't understand the mentality of referencing other companies' products instead of going to the source and get things right.

I think the previous HT sixth scale endos were pretty cool. Could they be better. Of course they could. But incorporating the inaccuracies from those + adding inaccuracies from other licensed companies' products into a fourth scale and potential new sixth scale release is just not making sense to me. I guess they'll sell out... but it's just an opportunity lost to get it exactly right and hit it out of the park.

I pretty much agree. Just in principle. I won't say that HT have done that but if they have I think its a shame.

Reminds me of this

http://youtu.be/feR_RkZDTZg?t=18s

Just ignore the bits about dinosaurs.

Too Much Garlic
07-30-2012, 01:41 PM
I pretty much agree. Just in principle. I won't say that HT have done that but if they have I think its a shame.
Well, the sculptor had a Sideshow endoskull standing next to him in that one picture, so I think it's safe to say that that was referenced. Also because several inaccurate traits from that skull has carried over into the HT sculpt, such as the extra long lower teeth and someone mentioned the over sized chip cover. I'm sure there are more.

If they were going to use other licensees products as reference they should have got in contact with M1, as he has an actual Stan Winston casting that he made his product from - he could have offered authentic reference. But still... they should have gone to the actual source over copying other licensed stuff.

nekromantik
07-30-2012, 01:58 PM
Im going to be so Broke!!!

Alien Warrior PS
Joker 2.0
and now this!

a-dev
07-30-2012, 02:15 PM
But still... they should have gone to the actual source over copying other licensed stuff.

:lecture Especially T1 since thats what their license is for. I'm no endo-expert, I don't study them in that much detail to be honest, but I understand theres actually a number of differences between the endos of T1 and T2 and from what P. says this figure is essentially based on T2. Well, with the plasma rifles I figured as much anyway.

Enterbay have the T2 license and their one will also inevitably be T2 based. Is anyone ever going to make an actual T1 version of the endoskeleton?? :gah:

Having said all this, I'm still buying it. If I thought boycotting would truly be of any use toward getting them to pay proper attention to movie referance as opposed to lazily just looking at other company's works I would opt out of this purchase. However you would never get sufficient numbers of likeminded people to actually send a message to Hot Toys by not buying the figure. And in the meantime I'd be missing out on what is nevertheless a cool 1:4 scale recogniseable T-800 endoskeleton.

Too Much Garlic
07-30-2012, 02:48 PM
I know of two T1 style sculpts. The 1/9 scale Halcyon/Tsukuda styrene endoskeleton - plain and plastic chrome finish - and the 1/6 insanely rare Scoop kit.

Both have the accurate torso to leg proportions and I believe the Scoop has many other details correct. But the Scoop kit is so damn rare and it's nearly impossible to even find pictures of it.

Hot Toys should really consider trying to buy the molds and rights to the Scoop kit and rework it to their fully articulated 1/6 line.

P.
07-30-2012, 05:24 PM
and from what P. says this figure is essentially based on T2. well, first of all it is almost totally based on their own old skeleton, except the head from SS.
but if not taking that into concideration:
- palms + forearm pistons - T2 and all terminators since. (T1 had another palm/forearm construction. great bug in T2 presenting pseudo-T1 hand)
- neck wires - T3 (and T2 not-on-screen, hanging freely)
- long chest wires - mcfarlane toy (no movie reference at all)
- feet - mcfarlane toy (no movie reference at all)
- flat back - mcfarlane toy (no movie reference at all. every skeleton from t1 to t4 had it musclely round, with shoulders forward)
- 2 small wires in the chest - t1
- long spine and small abdomen plate - t1 (actually the spine is not longer, it's the effect of a smaller belly armor plate. Schwarzenegger in T1 had a much more aggressive chest/abdomen connection zone angle than in T2, they depicted it changing the T2 belly in the movie)
- head and mouth - t2 (a little another eye zone, totally another teeth zone - t1 had all teeth including back ones and looked like a shark, while t2 seems to have only forward teeth and some close to them)
- closed, plated chest insides instead of opened, with mechanisms - either original HT idea or i don't know where they took it
- neck wires connection to the head - T2 and all since
- lower jaw asimmetrically going to the left - I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ____ IT IS AT ALL, it must be an exclusive "hands growing from ass" feature from the sculptor, a personal gift to all us buyers.

people could be happy that now they changed 2 neck pistons to look like in T1 (previously i had to take the forearm/palm pistons and their round connectors to replace bending for turning), but as long as people totally don't give ANY ____ about anything, they won't notice that. as well as other cool changes. yeah, it's very dual to "hate whiners and accept products", dear fellows, you don't hate anything about figures and at the same time you don't know what cool is there.

and don't forget about Robocain. who will be produced with the same attitude to buyers.

Blade3327
07-30-2012, 05:49 PM
If I thought boycotting would truly be of any use toward getting them to pay proper attention to movie referance as opposed to lazily just looking at other company's works I would opt out of this purchase. However you would never get sufficient numbers of likeminded people to actually send a message to Hot Toys by not buying the figure. And in the meantime I'd be missing out on what is nevertheless a cool 1:4 scale recogniseable T-800 endoskeleton.

:lecture:lecture:lecture

I don't think Hot Toys will ever learn. It's like asking water not to be wet. Sure EB will come along with their version and it may very well be more accurate in small ways, but even their figure won't be truly perfect -- and from my recent experiences, I'd rather go with Hot Toys at this point. I'm not risking fragility for a lousy 2 or 3% bump in accuracy. The thing already looks better than the existing 1/1 busts (which fans are very happy with) due to the teeth, so if stylized $500-$600 Sideshow heads are good enough for people, an entire figure with an improved set of chompers is definitely good enough for me.

snoop101
07-30-2012, 05:50 PM
Any word on what this will cost? Im guessing around 450.

Blade3327
07-30-2012, 05:52 PM
Sideshow already put up HT's Ani-Com Iron Man figure (with exclusive hologram), so it's reasonable to assume we'll be seeing the 1/4 Bats and Endo soon. Maybe even this week.
It'll be hard enough getting both of these beasts, so thank God no new Predators went up for PO this summer.

Marcus Wright
07-30-2012, 07:02 PM
Hello hello checking tapatalk application on my blackberry

Sent from my BlackBerry 9360 using Tapatalk

CSM101
07-31-2012, 02:51 AM
how many do u think they will make? will it be limited? how many 1/6 endos did hot toys make? i have no idea, im not a hot toys collector, im a terminator collector.

Stanlore
07-31-2012, 03:11 AM
:lecture:lecture:lecture

I don't think Hot Toys will ever learn. It's like asking water not to be wet. Sure EB will come along with their version and it may very well be more accurate in small ways, but even their figure won't be truly perfect -- and from my recent experiences, I'd rather go with Hot Toys at this point. I'm not risking fragility for a lousy 2 or 3% bump in accuracy. The thing already looks better than the existing 1/1 busts (which fans are very happy with) due to the teeth, so if stylized $500-$600 Sideshow heads are good enough for people, an entire figure with an improved set of chompers is definitely good enough for me.

:exactly::goodpost:

Right on the money. I think boycotting the product is useless. Its gonna sell out regardless unless its really terrible which it isint.

Seriously... P., if you really want HT to make a super accurate Terminator, you should help EB make theirs as accurate as possible. If EB's Endo is done well and sells out and is PRAISED for its accuracy, i can bet all my money that HT will release a QS Endo Ver.2.0 that has every detail down to pin point accuracy.

That being said, i myself also already pre-ordered this version. As much as i love EB, they have yet to make anything besides human figures (and even those still have problems). I'm guessing it'll have alot of bumps along the way to their Passion. I'm playing it safe, goin for the HT. The double plasma rifles and the rockin base is just too cool.

In fact... to all honesty, i prefer the T2 look (maybe because i like the movie more), and am under the impression that HT wanted to make that one, but can't cause they dont have the licence, so they have to settle for T1. Hence the double plasma rifles.

Butters
07-31-2012, 04:10 AM
I know of two T1 style sculpts. The 1/9 scale Halcyon/Tsukuda styrene endoskeleton - plain and plastic chrome finish - and the 1/6 insanely rare Scoop kit.

Both have the accurate torso to leg proportions and I believe the Scoop has many other details correct. But the Scoop kit is so damn rare and it's nearly impossible to even find pictures of it.

Hot Toys should really consider trying to buy the molds and rights to the Scoop kit and rework it to their fully articulated 1/6 line.

You have got to be joking... :lol The Scoop and Tsukuda model kits are completely inferior in ever-single-possible-way when compared with the HT versions. Those kits make the NECA figures look like masterpieces.

I think that any talk about inaccuracy is so trivial when compared to the 98% HT got right. I'm sure the production figures are going to look significantly better than the prototype, too. You're going to be waiting a long time before something of this quality gets made for the price.

PO price for the T-800 is HK$2580 (US$332) and HK$2980 (US$384) for Batman.

Butters
07-31-2012, 04:15 AM
well, first of all it is almost totally based on their own old skeleton, except the head from SS.
but if not taking that into concideration:
- palms + forearm pistons - T2 and all terminators since. (T1 had another palm/forearm construction. great bug in T2 presenting pseudo-T1 hand)
- neck wires - T3 (and T2 not-on-screen, hanging freely)
- long chest wires - mcfarlane toy (no movie reference at all)
- feet - mcfarlane toy (no movie reference at all)
- flat back - mcfarlane toy (no movie reference at all. every skeleton from t1 to t4 had it musclely round, with shoulders forward)
- 2 small wires in the chest - t1
- long spine and small abdomen plate - t1 (actually the spine is not longer, it's the effect of a smaller belly armor plate. Schwarzenegger in T1 had a much more aggressive chest/abdomen connection zone angle than in T2, they depicted it changing the T2 belly in the movie)
- head and mouth - t2 (a little another eye zone, totally another teeth zone - t1 had all teeth including back ones and looked like a shark, while t2 seems to have only forward teeth and some close to them)
- closed, plated chest insides instead of opened, with mechanisms - either original HT idea or i don't know where they took it
- neck wires connection to the head - T2 and all since
- lower jaw asimmetrically going to the left - I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ____ IT IS AT ALL, it must be an exclusive "hands growing from ass" feature from the sculptor, a personal gift to all us buyers.

people could be happy that now they changed 2 neck pistons to look like in T1 (previously i had to take the forearm/palm pistons and their round connectors to replace bending for turning), but as long as people totally don't give ANY ____ about anything, they won't notice that. as well as other cool changes. yeah, it's very dual to "hate whiners and accept products", dear fellows, you don't hate anything about figures and at the same time you don't know what cool is there.

and don't forget about Robocain. who will be produced with the same attitude to buyers.

http://youtu.be/PZeDFwTcnCc

Butters
07-31-2012, 04:22 AM
[QUOTE=Stanlore;4731910]
Seriously... P., if you really want HT to make a super accurate Terminator, you should help EB make theirs as accurate as possible. If EB's Endo is done well and sells out and is PRAISED for its accuracy, i can bet all my money that HT will release a QS Endo Ver.2.0 that has every detail down to pin point accuracy.

I don't think anyone with any experience would trust Enterbay again after the MIB and Rambo fiascoes. I was $48 out of pocket because I had to return my T-800 body because of excessive staining to the rubber torso. Batmans' belt it tied together with a cable tie FFS... :slap:lol

Caveat emptor!

P.
07-31-2012, 08:33 AM
not sure if butters is a person and not a board AI.
poorly programmed.

Seriously... P., if you really want HT to make a super accurate Terminator, you should help EB make theirs as accurate as possible. If EB's Endo is done well and sells out and is PRAISED for its accuracy, i can bet all my money that HT will release a QS Endo Ver.2.0 that has every detail down to pin point accuracy.you don't know how i'd wish to be in their labs together with some friends to check and correct )
as for EB, i heard they tried hard on their T2, and it's a total fail in every detail. so helping them make anything accurate will be harder than making peace on earth or persuading tsang that there is more than one predator face in movies.

Snake Plissken
07-31-2012, 09:02 AM
I'm not getting into 1/4 scale, but I'm definitely picking this one up. It's the only one that gives me that wow factor.

Avenger
07-31-2012, 10:11 AM
I don't know about accuracy, but I'm getting this.

Too Much Garlic
07-31-2012, 11:00 AM
- closed, plated chest insides instead of opened, with mechanisms - either original HT idea or i don't know where they took it
The fourth scale ArgoNauts vinyl kit introduced the closed cavity chest, as far as I remember, the abnormal sized legs in comparison to torso and head, and it's stayed with licensed scaled endoskeleton figures ever since.


You have got to be joking... :lol The Scoop and Tsukuda model kits are completely inferior in ever-single-possible-way when compared with the HT versions. Those kits make the NECA figures look like masterpieces.
I was mentioning them as they were T1 style. What didn't you get about that? They incorporated the correct proportions of the overall piece, but yes, they are inferior to the complexity of the HT articulation. Difference is that those are model kits, not articulated figures.

If HT could incorporate the correct body proportions of the actual T1 endoskeleton into their awesome articulated endoskeleton design then it would be a perfect home run.

Do I think the sixth scale HT endoskeleton is the best thing ever? Sure. Until the next "best thing" pops up. HT had the chance to one-up themselves by doing things accurate. But seems they just copied themselves and other licensed products and called it done. Shame.

GenoToys
07-31-2012, 11:52 AM
When will it be up for PO??????

Black Magic
07-31-2012, 08:34 PM
Ya, I thought Ani-com ended today, and the price would have gone public days ago. Also, there's seriously no new pics from the freakin' Ani-com of this thing yet? I thought this show was super-popualar in Asia, and there'd be pictures flooding in from the Hot Toy's booth. I've seen ONE set of photos of this figure from Ani-com

Centurion
07-31-2012, 09:09 PM
Ya, I thought Ani-com ended today, and the price would have gone public days ago. Also, there's seriously no new pics from the freakin' Ani-com of this thing yet? I thought this show was super-popualar in Asia, and there'd be pictures flooding in from the Hot Toy's booth. I've seen ONE set of photos of this figure from Ani-com

I haven't even seen any from ani-com. Oh well. I can wait for this one, but I am super excited for it. I hope it's not priced out of my range.

azurepred
07-31-2012, 09:43 PM
there were pictures posted, you just have to dig a little.

Stanlore
07-31-2012, 09:56 PM
I haven't even seen any from ani-com. Oh well. I can wait for this one, but I am super excited for it. I hope it's not priced out of my range.

Price range should be around USD420.00 unless the distributors get ultra greedy. Its only USD330.00 in Hong Kong. VIP members that don't want the extra gun get 10% off making it only USD300.

However, not only mark up, but distributors DO have to get import taxed and the transportation would be more expensive because these take up more space. The endo is about USD50 cheaper then the QS Batman.

GenoToys
07-31-2012, 11:41 PM
It's on Ebay Already!!! They're selling it for around $470 shipped.

GenoToys
07-31-2012, 11:42 PM
Link
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=hot+toys+1%2F4&_sacat=0

jaxon
07-31-2012, 11:59 PM
Based on the stereotype and the show being in Asia, There should be a lot more pictures than comic con!

Gargoyle67
08-01-2012, 12:05 AM
1:25 :wink1: (don't blink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr-fXHjtcbg

Black Magic
08-01-2012, 12:07 AM
I don't know how feasible this is, but I'd like to see this figure, or the endo from Enterbay have optional AC power. Endos look lifeless without their glowing eyes, and having the eyes on all the time with battery power is impossible. A detachable AC cord would make this the ultimate quarter scale figure.

Stanlore
08-01-2012, 12:42 AM
I don't know how feasible this is, but I'd like to see this figure, or the endo from Enterbay have optional AC power. Endos look lifeless without their glowing eyes, and having the eyes on all the time with battery power is impossible. A detachable AC cord would make this the ultimate quarter scale figure.

Although true, but if we plugged the endo and had it on more often, what about the lights burning out. Who are you gonna give it to, to fix it?

I mean, yeah its a pain to change batteries, or check if they are in too long and start to leak battery acid, but, at least you use the lights sparingly, prolonging their shelf life.

Black Magic
08-01-2012, 01:05 AM
Although true, but if we plugged the endo and had it on more often, what about the lights burning out. Who are you gonna give it to, to fix it?

I mean, yeah its a pain to change batteries, or check if they are in too long and start to leak battery acid, but, at least you use the lights sparingly, prolonging their shelf life.

Having The LED eyes burn out would be bad, but high quality LEDs have a lifespan of over 70,000 hours, and some have lifespans up to 100,000 hours. Even after that, the bulb doesn't "burn out", it just operates at a percentage of it's original capacity.

CSM101
08-01-2012, 03:47 AM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7655461966_78b4d8893b_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7266/7655462930_dc7ed94799_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8425/7655464528_8585de12f8_b.jpg

wtf is that meant to be larvae?:slap

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 03:54 AM
The right (left in the pic) toe is bent.
Poseable toes at last?!

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 03:55 AM
The right (left in the pic) toe is bent.
Poseable toes at last?!

But yeah: Lava?!
Why...did the earth melt due to heat from the nuclear war?!?!!?!?

But the chrome and details look amazing, although the teeth look ugly!

Excuse the double post...pls delete!

CSM101
08-01-2012, 04:05 AM
he shoulders bug me:gah:

http://www.actionfigurepics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Ani-Com-Hot-Toys-Quarter-Scale-Terminator.jpg

tylerdurden
08-01-2012, 04:32 AM
wtf is that meant to be larvae?:slap


hmm, i'm assuming you meant "lava". in which case it's not, either. it's blood.

if the price isn't too crazy, i'll be getting this. i have the 1/4 scale neca one, and it's nice for it's price. but this is chromed and much more accurate.

jaxon
08-01-2012, 04:40 AM
figuremaniac.com has some pics up.

Gargoyle67
08-01-2012, 04:42 AM
Just asked a Hong Kong ebay seller when they will have it in stock>
"Hi
it will be release on the begin of 2013"

Long wait :thud:

P.
08-01-2012, 05:28 AM
The fourth scale ArgoNauts vinyl kit introduced the closed cavity chest, as far as I remember, the abnormal sized legs in comparison to torso and head, and it's stayed with licensed scaled endoskeleton figures ever since.nice. well, several dumbasses known to me would call you stupid now for such thoughts, but that's what they are.

The right (left in the pic) toe is bent.
Poseable toes at last?!what do you mean? all 5 fingers moved since the previous variant of this repainted reissue.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8292/7655461966_78b4d8893b_b.jpghttp://s014.radikal.ru/i328/1208/05/a8bdbf40db8b.jpghttp://s017.radikal.ru/i420/1208/f6/8c5464eb5880.jpg

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 05:40 AM
what do you mean? all 5 fingers moved since the previous variant of this repainted reissue.

Nah, man...I mean the third picture, where the feet are shown

This one right here:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8425/7655464528_8585de12f8_b.jpg

P.
08-01-2012, 06:02 AM
Nah, man...I mean the third picture, where the feet are shown

This one right here:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8425/7655464528_8585de12f8_b.jpg

http://s017.radikal.ru/i443/1208/70/f64eed69966a.jpg

http://i075.radikal.ru/1208/a0/d15aaa7257be.jpg

?

BTW they became less detailed with the scale upgrade:

http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1208/5c/d36fef7a5257.jpg

and what it should look like if buyers gave a ____.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/Tinkey-Vinkey/Terminator/t-800_foot-2.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/Tinkey-Vinkey/Terminator/t-800_foot-3.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/Tinkey-Vinkey/Terminator/t-800_foot.jpg

jkno
08-01-2012, 06:06 AM
As I said before wish they would have thought of a better/not so visible holding rod on the stand.

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 06:09 AM
Whoa...seems like.

I don't have the old one and the new specs didn't say anything about moveable toes, that's why I wondered.

They only mention articulated fingers and 30 points of articulation, but nothing about the toes, y'know?!

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:10 AM
The fourth scale ArgoNauts vinyl kit introduced the closed cavity chest, as far as I remember, the abnormal sized legs in comparison to torso and head, and it's stayed with licensed scaled endoskeleton figures ever since.


I was mentioning them as they were T1 style. What didn't you get about that? They incorporated the correct proportions of the overall piece, but yes, they are inferior to the complexity of the HT articulation. Difference is that those are model kits, not articulated figures.

If HT could incorporate the correct body proportions of the actual T1 endoskeleton into their awesome articulated endoskeleton design then it would be a perfect home run.

Do I think the sixth scale HT endoskeleton is the best thing ever? Sure. Until the next "best thing" pops up. HT had the chance to one-up themselves by doing things accurate. But seems they just copied themselves and other licensed products and called it done. Shame.

What didn't you understand about what I said? I still don't agree with you. Those kits details or body proportions aren't superior to HT -- they were good in their day, but those days are long over now. To me they're obviously ugly and ill proportioned in comparison.

And what evidence have you provided to prove that HT are lazy, haven't done their research and directly copied other peoples products.

PERS and removable chip and I think it would be a near perfect clone of a WS T1. I think it's so good that I'm seriously considering buying a small army of these puppies -- and without even seeing the finished product.

It's a shame you can't see the beauty of it, but all I can say to that is WTF????? You would have to be irrationaly hard to please if you don;t think it's the best representation of the T1 endo around.

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:12 AM
http://s017.radikal.ru/i443/1208/70/f64eed69966a.jpg

http://i075.radikal.ru/1208/a0/d15aaa7257be.jpg

?

BTW they became less detailed with the scale upgrade:

http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1208/5c/d36fef7a5257.jpg

and what it should look like if buyers gave a ____.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/Tinkey-Vinkey/Terminator/t-800_foot-2.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/Tinkey-Vinkey/Terminator/t-800_foot-3.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w290/Tinkey-Vinkey/Terminator/t-800_foot.jpg

:lol Close enough if you want a figure that can be posed and not break with the slightest touch. It's a prototype anyway... :slap:lol

P.
08-01-2012, 06:12 AM
who activated the butters bot again.

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:13 AM
STFU P. :slap You're just trolling this thread with useless information -- like you do with every thread you enter. Go butcher your poor HT figures some more. :lol

P.
08-01-2012, 06:16 AM
What didn't you understand about what I said? I still don't agree with you. Those kits details or body proportions aren't superior to HT -- they were good in their day, but those days are long over now. To me they're obviously ugly and ill proportioned in comparison.

And what evidence have you provided to prove that HT are lazy, haven't done their research and directly copied other peoples products.

PERS and removable chip and I think it would be a near perfect clone of a WS T1. I think it's so good that I'm seriously considering buying a small army of these puppies -- and without even seeing the finished product.

It's a shame you can't see the beauty of it, but all I can say to that is WTF????? You would have to be irrationaly hard to please if you don;t think it's the best representation of the T1 endo around.
just trolling this thread with useless information:D :exactly:

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:18 AM
Yiou going to threaten to kill me now? :rotfl Idiot...

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 06:27 AM
What the hell is wrong with you too?!

One thinks this proto is perfect, the other doesn´t so who gives a s***.

All personal opinion.

This piece ISN´T perfect and quite obviously the skull looks like it´s ported from the 1:1 and we DID see a WIP where one was sculpting with the 1:1 bust next to him.

There isn´t much more proof needed for that, or not?!

Feet also DO have less detail, I seriously dunno what´s to "troll" about it.

Just normal opinions being spoken and actual proof shown.

No problem, get on with the discussion.

Geez.

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:31 AM
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/7655464912_f607593c0c_o.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/7655464528_5405d5b7d4_o.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/7655464158_29822f66e7_o.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/7655462930_2fb0720815_o.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/7655461966_78b4d8893b_z.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/1228059oc9589afall2xo9.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/553541_400403026688360_1196105349_n.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/539056_400402783355051_1103221689_n.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/484109_400402620021734_1020481610_n.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/481983_400402830021713_711089865_n.jpg

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:32 AM
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/391229_400402883355041_374197130_n.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/389098_400402906688372_806177237_n.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/376341_400402460021750_1303432947_n.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/122810rsjcggyyxqji2y2q.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/122807lz2cy8k3ydy2cu64.jpg

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 06:35 AM
Great pics, I actually can´t wait too, since it´ll be my very first high-end T-800 Endo, but I seriously hope for this improvements to be added/made ´til the release.

:rock

Dracula
08-01-2012, 06:37 AM
Am I the only one who thinks it looks a bit off? There's something about it... The proportions maybe? Is the head too small or the body too big? Shoulders should be wider? :dunno

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:38 AM
This piece ISN´T perfect and quite obviously the skull looks like it´s ported from the 1:1 and we DID see a WIP where one was sculpting with the 1:1 bust next to him.

There isn´t much more proof needed for that, or not?!



It's not the same as the 1:1 bust at all... it's better proportioned to my eye. And the fact that there is a single photo with he bust on the desk doesn't prove that that is the only reference that was used.

It's a proto and anyone that knows anything about HT and has been around these forums long enough knows that everyone always overreacts to prototypes... :lol

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:41 AM
Am I the only one who thinks it looks a bit off? There's something about it... The proportions maybe? Is the head too small or the body too big? Shoulders should be wider? :dunno

Good pics, bad pics... Looks awesome in some photos, but a bit off in others. But I think that only the most ____ of people would complain about tiny little details when they see this T1 T-800 in hand. It's better proportioned and detailed that the 1:1 or anything else I've seen to date.

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 06:43 AM
It's not the same as the 1:1 bust at all... it's better proportioned to my eye. And the fact that there is a single photo with he bust on the desk doesn't prove that that is the only reference that was used.

It's a proto and anyone that knows anything about HT and has been around these forums long enough knows that everyone always overreacts to prototypes... :lol

Of course...maybe I overreacted too, mate.

But the thing is...shouldn´t they have learned already, that...if they want to show off something, it should´ve been damn near perfect!?

I mean...look at this...first glance...BAM...awesome...but then the details, you know?!

Of cours it won´t be the only reference and the teeth are BETTER, but still too long, the mouth isn´t closed completely and it screams 1:1 bust for me...

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:44 AM
Great pics, I actually can´t wait too, since it´ll be my very first high-end T-800 Endo, but I seriously hope for this improvements to be added/made ´til the release.

:rock

This one sold it for me. That IS the T1 T-800! :yess::yess::yess::rock

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/391229_400402883355041_374197130_n.jpg

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 06:45 AM
To me they're obviously ugly and ill proportioned in comparison.
The HT is disproportionate to the original endoskeletons. The older kits are closer. You may not like it. Clearly many other people don't either, since they feel the need to alter the look for these kits to something inaccurate.

I prefer accurate, so this fall short for me.


And what evidence have you provided to prove that HT are lazy, haven't done their research and directly copied other peoples products.
I'm surprised you didn't notice at least the two things that are directly copied from the Sideshow 1:1 endo bust such as abnormally long lower teeth and the oversized chip cover.

The oversized legs in comparison to torso and head is copied from every other licensed scaled endoskeleton since the old fourth scale ArgoNauts kit.

It's simply WRONG in comparison to actual Stan Winston pieces and those details wouldn't have been brought into this design if they had used original reference instead.

Go study things a bit more and you'll see what I'm talking about.


It's a shame you can't see the beauty of it, but all I can say to that is WTF????? You would have to be irrationaly hard to please if you don;t think it's the best representation of the T1 endo around.
The fact that it ISN'T even a T1 makes it not the best representation around. Others - older kits, which you don't like - take that position.

That's just how it is.

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:50 AM
Of course...maybe I overreacted too, mate.

But the thing is...shouldn´t they have learned already, that...if they want to show off something, it should´ve been damn near perfect!?

I mean...look at this...first glance...BAM...awesome...but then the details, you know?!

Of cours it won´t be the only reference and the teeth are BETTER, but still too long, the mouth isn´t closed completely and it screams 1:1 bust for me...

There isn't really much room for artistic flare as far as the design goes. If you look at the pics in the Winston Effect book you will see many slight variations in the overall look and details of the the endos they made -- I don't think any of them are identical to each other. But this one really has the feel of the T1 T-800 to me. You also have to accept the limitations of what can be achieved in this format -- you need something that conveys the T-800, but at the same time isn't so fragile that it couldn't safely support it's own weight or move without breaking. It has to have an acceptable level of durability or people would complain about that.

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:51 AM
The HT is disproportionate to the original endoskeletons. The older kits are closer. You may not like it. Clearly many other people don't either, since they feel the need to alter the look for these kits to something inaccurate.

I prefer accurate, so this fall short for me.


I'm surprised you didn't notice at least the two things that are directly copied from the Sideshow 1:1 endo bust such as abnormally long lower teeth and the oversized chip cover.

The oversized legs in comparison to torso and head is copied from every other licensed scaled endoskeleton since the old fourth scale ArgoNauts kit.

It's simply WRONG in comparison to actual Stan Winston pieces and those details wouldn't have been brought into this design if they had used original reference instead.

Go study things a bit more and you'll see what I'm talking about.


The fact that it ISN'T even a T1 makes it not the best representation around. Others - older kits, which you don't like - take that position.

That's just how it is.

Sorry, I don't agree and I have done my research. You keep changing your story anyway.

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 06:52 AM
Where am I changing it?

And if you've done your research, how can you call this a T1?

P.
08-01-2012, 06:52 AM
Yiou going to threaten to kill me now? :rotfl Idiot..."idiot" is a sign there, i guess :)
hey butters what goes wrong in your head with every HT figure? you're a fan it's ok, but that aggressiveness truly shows that kids like you should be kept away from some stuff :)

I don't agreelike if your agreement affects reality.

Butters
08-01-2012, 06:58 AM
Yeah, we're western idiots with too much money and you are the master and know everything and shouldn't be questioned. You are so very civilized and we live in caves... :lol

I have nothing else to say to morons who threaten peoples lives over collectibles. You just get too carried away with this stuff and it clouds your better judgment.

a-dev
08-01-2012, 07:07 AM
Who threatened anyone?

Butters
08-01-2012, 07:10 AM
P threatening to kill Joseph Tsang and wishing him dead again in the HT P2 thread recently. WTF?? :slap:cuckoo::lol

RIDDICK
08-01-2012, 07:10 AM
Hot Toys threaten us, a-dev. You know it :(

a-dev
08-01-2012, 07:11 AM
Oh yeah....k, can't argue with that.

Butters
08-01-2012, 07:11 AM
The Devil made me do it... :lol

P.
08-01-2012, 08:03 AM
just found the ignore feature, the thread became shorter and calmer without butters )))

a-dev
08-01-2012, 08:09 AM
Its $h!t. It gives you the in-thread option of removing the person from your ignore list and to unblock any given post making it, tbh, too tempting. Not to mention you can still see the posts whenever someone else quotes them.

Ratzo99
08-01-2012, 09:40 AM
Really want to dig this figure, I mean the body inaccuracies I can deal with, but I hate the mouth/facial expression. The teeth are long and ugly, and I hate the gaping open mouth. They should copy the likeness from the T2 intro where the endoskull is in flames. That's the look to go for, if you ask me.
Also, I'd much rather have P. trying to get this figure as accurate as possible, than a guy like Butters around, who is simply a mouth with a wallet who feels like we all "owe one" to the manufacturer, just because they're making an endoskeleton. Try to remember, Butters, that this piece will cost hundreds of dollars, and that if they're making new molds to produce this figure, they might as well do it right.
Personally I'd rather buy an item like this just ONE TIME, instead of seeing a "new and improved/more accurate" piece in 2-3 years time, when there's no need for a situation like that in the first place. They have the power to make it accurate, so just do it.
If they fix the mouth, I'll be on board.
http://i2.listal.com/image/1181294/600full-terminator-2%3A-judgment-day-screenshot.jpg

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 09:44 AM
This is the endoskeleton that is residing in Japan. T1 legs (maybe T1 skull), with the rest being T2 style.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x177/NoHumorMan/Terminator/Endo-T1-FullSkeleton-07.jpg
And this is a T1 arm that sold at auction
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x177/NoHumorMan/Terminator/T1-Arm2.jpg

Referencing THIS would have made a more accurate figure.

a-dev
08-01-2012, 09:56 AM
Also, I'd much rather have P. trying to get this figure as accurate as possible, than a guy like Butters around, who is simply a mouth with a wallet who feels like we all "owe one" to the manufacturer, just because they're making an endoskeleton. Try to remember, Butters, that this piece will cost hundreds of dollars, and that if they're making new molds to produce this figure, they might as well do it right

Agreed.

This was a post in another thread that caught my eye - from Devil666 of all people who has made many an hilarious ''nitpickers'' skit


I honestly think these companies should consult people who are actually into this stuff. Most would do it for free. I kinda get the impression that the people who make these collectibles don't know enough about the products and/or don't give a ____ enough about them to actually go all out when it comes to accuracy and attention to detail. They kinda just look at the big picture and focus on the overall look as opposed to doing that AND working out all the minor details that most people on here focus on. I think that's the most frustrating part since it's such an easy AND cost-free fix.

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 09:57 AM
This is the endoskeleton that is residing in Japan. T1 legs (maybe T1 skull), with the rest being T2 style.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x177/NoHumorMan/Terminator/Endo-T1-FullSkeleton-07.jpg
And this is a T1 arm that sold at auction
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x177/NoHumorMan/Terminator/T1-Arm2.jpg

Referencing THIS would have made a more accurate figure.

I took this arms also as reference for the arms I constructed jn solidworks, merging several versions and getting one that functions AND keeps the style we love and 2nd:

THIS ENDOSKELETON IS A PIECE OF ART!!!!!
:horror:thud:

Just beautiful and I second that...it should look this way.

:goodpost::exactly:

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 10:23 AM
Fixing the abnormally long legs. They also sit too far out on the socket on the pelvis piece - a general error with the HT pieces. Also trimmed down the area between pelvis and chest, by basically one spine-section. Not perfect but definitely more accurate proportions.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x177/NoHumorMan/Kits/Terminator/7655462930_2fb0720815_o.jpg

Gargoyle67
08-01-2012, 10:27 AM
How do you guys rate the Cinemaquette Terminator T-800 Endoskeleton for screen accuracy ?

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 10:31 AM
How do you guys rate the Cinemaquette Terminator T-800 Endoskeleton for screen accuracy ?

Proportions of the parts seem better, but it's put together like a train wreck and the pose is nothing to write home about.

Gargoyle67
08-01-2012, 10:36 AM
The reason I ask was wasn't Stan Winston involved in overseeing production of it ? I thought you could pose it however you like ?
is it a fixed pose then ?

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 10:41 AM
I believe it is a fixed pose. Have only seen it in that one pose.

MrRabba
08-01-2012, 11:00 AM
The prototype pics are promising, hopefully they take on board some of the great feedback that you guys are laying down and work on improving that T1 likeness.

I'm kind of thankful for the 2013 release date... a bit easier to fatten up the budget for this, the EB endo, EB BD Arnie and HT T1 Arnie.

Too many goodies coming out, exciting times indeed.

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 11:02 AM
Fixing the abnormally long legs. They also sit too far out on the socket on the pelvis piece - a general error with the HT pieces. Also trimmed down the area between pelvis and chest, by basically one spine-section. Not perfect but definitely more accurate proportions.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x177/NoHumorMan/Kits/Terminator/7655462930_2fb0720815_o.jpg

Looks good, man.

You seem to have great knowledge on the endoskeletal details.

Do to own these old kits and are you this fond of Terminator as you seem to be

How long are you in this?!

Centurion
08-01-2012, 11:27 AM
This is the endoskeleton that is residing in Japan. T1 legs (maybe T1 skull), with the rest being T2 style.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x177/NoHumorMan/Terminator/Endo-T1-FullSkeleton-07.jpg


:lecture My goodness! :yess::yess::yess:

Gargoyle67
08-01-2012, 11:33 AM
Yes you wouldn't want to meet him on a dark night....Maybe you would :horror

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 11:57 AM
I would cry in joy before he'd kill me.
:lol

azurepred
08-01-2012, 12:35 PM
1:25 :wink1: (don't blink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr-fXHjtcbg

anyone that pays closer attention to Endoskeletons then me know how the 1:2 Endo compares to this version as far as accuracy goes? I used to have the 1:1, always hated the SS 1:4. I've always been tempted to get the 1:2.

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 01:23 PM
Looks good, man.
You seem to have great knowledge on the endoskeletal details.
Do to own these old kits and are you this fond of Terminator as you seem to be
How long are you in this?!
I have basic to limited knowledge about the endoskeletons compared to the die-hards on the endobuilders forum, but I do know shape, proportions and detail.

I own the Halcyon/Tsukuda 1:9 scale kit and though it is lacking in some details and accuracy it did capture the overall proportions of the Stan Winston original endoskeletons.

I've been looking for the Scoop kit for years since I learned about it, but it is as elusive as water on the moon. I would LOVE to own it.

If Hot Toys are really interested in getting the best representation of the endoskeleton out there, they should stop replicating all the usual errors that licensed scaled endoskeletons have and stop adding inaccuracies from other licensed products and go straight to the source - Stan Winston studios themselves. If these suggestions regarding fixes can't help fix the fourth scale... at least hopefully it can help fix the new sixth scale. It really requires a whole new sculpt from top to bottom, not just a straight re-use of the old sculpt with chrome plating. And when the Halcyon 9th scale styrene kit could come in plastic chrome, then why not the Hot Toys as well, without going the probably more expensive route of chrome plating?

Butters
08-01-2012, 01:33 PM
The scoop T1 and Halcyon/Tsukuda T2 kits...


http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/Terminator4.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/Terminator2.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/T-800Side.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/T-800Main.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/T-800LowAngle.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/T-800CU.jpg
http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/T-800Chest.jpg

More accurate than HT?????????

Butters
08-01-2012, 01:43 PM
T1 Stop motion puppet.

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n633/Butters1111/T1Endo23542.jpg

Too Much Garlic
08-01-2012, 01:45 PM
More accurate than HT?????????
Proportion-wise, yes.

Guess you have no understanding of proportions.

EndoSickness
08-01-2012, 01:46 PM
He never said something like MORE ACCURATE.

He said the overall proportions are right...