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natron
07-22-2012, 05:21 PM
I just got back from returning six Dioder sets to Ikea. They've apparently changed manufacturers, and their LEDs are now warm white (piss yellow) and as dim as a flashlight with a nearly dead battery. Does anyone know of a good alternative? I'm looking for cool white (to match the previous Dioders), slim, not battery powered (I want them all to turn on with one switch), preferably cheap.

morbidaj
07-22-2012, 07:56 PM
Funny, I grabbed a strip dioder 2 weeks ago on a trip to Chicago and had the same experience. Totally doesnt match my dioders purchased last year.

Was thinking these look good.. although way more expensive than getting 4 for the same price

Inreda
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/30180778/

natron
07-22-2012, 09:11 PM
Those are warm white too, unfortunately. The guy in their lighting department said that they'd switched manufacturers; I wonder if it was for all of their LEDs. I've found a few options at Home Depot or Lowes, but they're ridiculously expensive.

There's this guy—http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005GL5R56/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&smid=AJ0QRPX8ADNI1—which you can apparently cut to fit, but it would require more soldering than I'd be comfortable with, and the transformer that is supposed to go with it may crap out after a couple of months according to the reviews.

pavehawk78
07-22-2012, 09:46 PM
http://www.barlighting.com/order.html

natron
07-23-2012, 12:22 PM
That's the ticket! Thanks, pavehawk78!

Custo
07-23-2012, 01:09 PM
http://www.barlighting.com/order.html

Thanks for the link. Ill have to check out Ikea here to see if it changed as well

Geil
07-23-2012, 10:07 PM
OK I have been looking for some time and finally will make a move ....soon. Check these options for direct purchase form asia at what I believe is the lowest prices shipped (I think eBay is similar) from a place a friend has ordered reliably before. still trying to decide but here are the few options I am looking at atm:
http://www.focalprice.com/LX0235X/5m_DC_12V_150LED_White_5050_SMD_LED_Strip.html
http://www.focalprice.com/LX164W/PCIP_65_12V_5m_6500K_LED_Flexible_String_Lights_In dooroutdoor_Use_White.html
http://www.focalprice.com/LX0229X/5m_DC_12V_Waterproof_IP65_300LED_White_5050_SMD_LE D_Strip.html
http://www.focalprice.com/LX989S/HRK_75W_5050LED_720_V12_60006500K_White_Light_LED_ Strip_Lamp_Silver.html
http://www.focalprice.com/LX991S/HRK_75W_5050LED_720_V12_60006500K_White_Light_LED_ Lamp_for_Straight_Slot_Silver.html
http://www.focalprice.com/LXE05S/5050RGB_5m_300_LED_MultiColor_Flexible_Light_Strip _with_MultiFunctional_Controller.html

natron
07-24-2012, 07:21 AM
Geil, you can find the roll ones for about half that price on Amazon. They can be cut to length, but you have to buy a transformer and solder them together. They do sell short cables to connect the pieces you cut though. For all the necessary pieces on Amazon (lights, transformer, connector cable, wire to lengthen the connectors and connect the transformer), it was about $40.

I went with the ones pavehawk linked to. I'll post a quick review when they arrive.

I'm using the deeper Billy bookcases from Ikea, so I'll use two of the 12" strips per shelf; that way, I need 2.5 4-strip sets for each bookcase (I got 5 sets to fill two bookcases and 1 extra set for a smaller bookcase).

pavehawk78
07-24-2012, 07:19 PM
Geil, you can find the roll ones for about half that price on Amazon. They can be cut to length, but you have to buy a transformer and solder them together. They do sell short cables to connect the pieces you cut though. For all the necessary pieces on Amazon (lights, transformer, connector cable, wire to lengthen the connectors and connect the transformer), it was about $40.

I went with the ones pavehawk linked to. I'll post a quick review when they arrive.

I'm using the deeper Billy bookcases from Ikea, so I'll use two of the 12" strips per shelf; that way, I need 2.5 4-strip sets for each bookcase (I got 5 sets to fill two bookcases and 1 extra set for a smaller bookcase).

Did you go with the programmable color strips or just the cool white?

Geil
07-24-2012, 09:49 PM
Geil, you can find the roll ones for about half that price on Amazon. They can be cut to length, but you have to buy a transformer and solder them together. They do sell short cables to connect the pieces you cut though. For all the necessary pieces on Amazon (lights, transformer, connector cable, wire to lengthen the connectors and connect the transformer), it was about $40.

I went with the ones pavehawk linked to. I'll post a quick review when they arrive.

I'm using the deeper Billy bookcases from Ikea, so I'll use two of the 12" strips per shelf; that way, I need 2.5 4-strip sets for each bookcase (I got 5 sets to fill two bookcases and 1 extra set for a smaller bookcase).

I totally missed your link in that passage but these are type 3528 and mine are type 5050. 5050 tend to go for a bit more and I have seen both in person and 5050 by looks and specs are brighter though I was checking for white LEDs only at the time and not RGBs, still not sure if I would like the white from RGBs though as there might be some colorshifting going on that I may not like. As for 3528 the LEDs are smaller so you can get reels with higher count of LEDs
a quick google search seems to indicate a 3x factor in brightness. Not sure if 3x the number of LEDs will even things out though ;)
http://www.flexfireleds.com/pages/Comparison-between-3528-LEDs-and-5050-LEDs.html

natron
07-25-2012, 07:02 AM
Did you go with the programmable color strips or just the cool white?

I just went with the cool white. I'm more interested in brightness and color fidelity than in drama, so I'm keeping it simple (and cheap!). I have one set of the Dioder color-change circle lights (not the strips); they're a bit dim but would be nice for an accent somewhere. I'm also running all the lights (six bookshelves when it's finished) to a power strip with a remote, so everything will turn on with one switch, and that might interfere with another remote.

natron
07-25-2012, 07:16 AM
I totally missed your link in that passage but these are type 3528 and mine are type 5050. 5050 tend to go for a bit more and I have seen both in person and 5050 by looks and specs are brighter though I was checking for white LEDs only at the time and not RGBs, still not sure if I would like the white from RGBs though as there might be some colorshifting going on that I may not like. As for 3528 the LEDs are smaller so you can get reels with higher count of LEDs
a quick google search seems to indicate a 3x factor in brightness. Not sure if 3x the number of LEDs will even things out though ;)
http://www.flexfireleds.com/pages/Comparison-between-3528-LEDs-and-5050-LEDs.html

Good points; the extra cost would certainly be worth it if they're brighter. Let us know what you end up with! If you're willing to take pics of the setup (how those lights connect to each other and the transformer, etc.), that would be awesome.

Geil
07-25-2012, 09:52 AM
I am dragging my feet in terms of any projects for the last two years already, hope I will rise from this mess and finish off what I started end of this summer and update my setup

natron
07-26-2012, 06:36 AM
That sounds about like my plan. I've been moving around for the last five years, and haven't had anything on display in forever. I'm hoping to finish up the first stage (shelves and lights) of my display room next month, then work on a Lego display/assembly table if it's not too crowded in there.

Theokan
07-28-2012, 07:39 AM
The sample video showing the cool white from barlighting.com seems to have a very slight blue tint. Anyone got the original white Ikea Dioder to compare with the cool white LEDs from barlighting? Still deciding on where to buy my white led lights from...

Geil
07-28-2012, 07:03 PM
Ikea ones tend to be slightly warmish. I have two batches one slightly warmer than the other ;)

natron
07-28-2012, 08:00 PM
I have a few sets of the cool white dioder circle lights, and my barlighting order should be here Monday; I'll post some comparison pics when it comes in.

Theokan
07-30-2012, 08:23 PM
ok great, can't wait to see those comparison, thanks!

natron
07-30-2012, 08:38 PM
Okay, here we go. This first picture is a side-by-side comparison. The barlighting strip looks bluer and dimmer than Ikea's dioder in the photo, but the color difference isn't very noticeable in person. The brightness difference is balanced by the strip lighting more of the shelf than the circle, so it's a wash.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7681604888_e742b7f8f6_z.jpg

This next two photos are the same shelf with the dioder and then the strip roughly in the same place.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8425/7681604784_78eee0e2c8_z.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8145/7681605026_71bb76cbb6_z.jpg

I'm using the circles for my ThreeA figures, since the shadows work well with them; everything else will get strips. I'm going to mount the strips right at the front of the shelf with something (not sure what yet) in front of them to block the light strip from view and to reflect the light back into the shelf (I'll have pics when I get some shelves set up this weekend so you can see what I mean).

Theokan
07-30-2012, 09:31 PM
Thanks for pic comparison. I have the color Dioders and the pure white Dioders, and when I switch to "white mode" on the color strips, it tends to be a little too blue when compared to the white Ikea strips:

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4402/img1187vf.jpg

So that's what I was worried about, looks like the bartender lights will work great though.

By the way, the frames on a Besta Vassbo does great at hiding your lights and wires, I actually just temporarily taped the light and wire when I took that pic and you can't see how ugly the tapes look, it's all hidden so that's great :D



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natron
07-31-2012, 03:27 PM
Wow, that is pretty blue! I haven't really tried the multicolor Dioders yet; I was thinking of using them for accent somewhere, but I need to actually have a display set up to know where!

Actually, the wires on mine were very visible, so I painted them black and ran them to the back of the shelves, down the middle, and out the back. They're not terribly noticeable, but the painting is annoying for a large number of them.

Geil
08-01-2012, 12:45 PM
I use 3M exterior VHB tape for anything that needs to stick and stay stuck.. very strong stuff.

natron
08-02-2012, 09:59 AM
I use 3M exterior VHB tape for anything that needs to stick and stay stuck.. very strong stuff.

Thanks, Geil. I'll have to try some of that. The mounting tape that came with the barlighting strips doesn't hold for !@?*.

Geil
08-02-2012, 10:03 PM
make sure to clean the surfaces and in case you live in north pole use a hairdryer to warm up the tape which will make the bond even stronger

natron
08-16-2012, 09:57 PM
Okay, I've finally got some pictures. I decided to wait until I unpacked a few figures. In this picture, the Barlighting strips are on the left, and on the right are Ikea Dioder pucks.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8437/7799745836_cc733edfac_z.jpg

The Barlighting lights are a bit cooler than Ikea's old cool white lights. It works for my purposes, but I'm not sure the two types are a great mix for general use. The Barlighting power cables are much shorter than Ikea's, which meant that I had to drill a few holes in the bookcase backing (three per bookcase), but you can chain them together so there are fewer visible cables in the shelves themselves. You can see a bunch of the Ikea cables in the right bookcase (especially in the second shelf down), but the Barlighting ones are harder to see. They're all in the right back corner of the bookcase; you can see the one on the top shelf if you squint at it.

I'd say that these are a nice replacement for Ikea's now useless Dioders, but I wish the Barlighting cables were longer (and came in black so I didn't have to paint everything).

Here's a wider shot, with one side of my eventual shelf setup. The Dioder pucks are in the two bottom cubes of the far right shelf and in the entire wide shelf to its left (third from the left). The rest are Barlighting.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7256/7799815600_72e6e9163b_z.jpg

In case anyone is interested, I mounted the lights on a wooden mounting strip that I made from two pieces of precut balsa from a hobby store. For each shelf, I used a 30" x 1/2" strip and a 30" x 1/4" triangle, which I glued together. In the pic below, the left edge is what was mounted to the bottom of the shelf, with the bottom in this pic facing out.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8428/7799745928_f6d198e40b.jpg

I then glued the light strips' mounting clips to the slanted edge and attached the strips so that the lights are angled into the shelf. I painted the outside face black and attached the entire assembly onto the bottom front lip of the shelf with double-sided tape (3M exterior). The wires are run to the back of the bookcases, then to a remote-controlled power strip so everything comes on with a switch. The strips are a bit fragile, but they don't look too bad.

Geil
08-16-2012, 10:12 PM
nice work!! did you pick up the pure white or are these RGB ones?

natron
08-16-2012, 10:25 PM
Thanks, Geil! I was going for bright and cheap, so these are just the pure white ones. I'd be interested in seeing how the RGB ones look, but I don't think I'd use them.

Geil
08-17-2012, 11:57 AM
yeah I am still undecided but worry that RGB gives off the wrong kind of white. Will likely stick with pure white as well just to be save and to get the brightest option as well. only thing is the RGB options usually come with remote controller bundled....... argh just dunno what to do yet.... oh well money has to go towards figures first and foremost LOL

Custo
08-17-2012, 07:20 PM
yeah I am still undecided but worry that RGB gives off the wrong kind of white. Will likely stick with pure white as well just to be save and to get the brightest option as well. only thing is the RGB options usually come with remote controller bundled....... argh just dunno what to do yet.... oh well money has to go towards figures first and foremost LOL

Too bad the remote wont work with the pure white sets. Would have ordered it instantly. For now, the piss yellow ones from Ikea will have to do.

natron
08-18-2012, 07:56 AM
This is the power strip with remote that I'm using. I had the same worry about the RGB strips. I have one of Ikea's RGB puck sets, and the white isn't too yellow, but it's not very bright at all.

Rorywan
08-18-2012, 02:28 PM
Glad to see I'm not the only one who has noticed the drop in light quality and warm color from newer Ikea strips. I bought 8 sets of identical lights, 5 were bright white light as I expected, the others were yellow white and about half the light intensity. let's hope they switch back to previous supplier, because these new ones are ****ing awful.

solidsnake21
09-02-2012, 10:45 AM
WAS thinking about these until the most recent review popped up a couple days ago. I love the idea of a remote switch and no messy wires to run/conceal. Shame. Something (reliable) along this line would be great (cheaper would be ideal too).

http://www.amazon.com/Industries-Wireless-Light-Remote-Switch/dp/B007SRJME8/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pdT1_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1EUU0WXTUPQO2&coliid=II20IN2EOKH94

Geil
09-02-2012, 11:57 AM
I picked up a cheap backlit writing board an took it apart as it was using 5050 RGB light strips. The white was surprisingly white and quite uniform and still very bright so I am tempted to wire my setup using these instead. Have one reel on its way already so if that one turns out this nice to I might skip the pure white ones. The color change is mesmerizing to say the least


:borg

Geil
09-11-2012, 10:29 PM
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/160562259516?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
this is the one I picked up and delivered in under 2 weeks and its very bright in its brightest setting

ok assuming they are all the same strips I ordered this one instead for my real round which does not incl the powersupply so total is a bit more per 5m but its a RF remote :P
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10M-RGB-SMD-5050-300leds-Waterproof-Led-Strip-Black-RF-Touching-Controller-/150827726889?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item231e087829#ht_6302wt_960
also got the connectors from same buyer
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10PCS-10mm-Width-Connector-RGB-5050-Led-Strip-lights-So-Easy-Use-/160834870761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2572815de9#ht_3575wt_960

natron
09-13-2012, 06:27 AM
Those look interesting, Geil. I'd love to see some pics when you get them installed.

Geil
09-13-2012, 01:25 PM
I tested these for lightbox idea but not bright enough, I may order the pure white ones to see if those are any brighter

Rkbrawl
09-17-2012, 07:37 PM
First thanks for pointing me in the right direction been researching lights for 2 days lol so right back at yah im leaning towards this website http://www.kutop.com/


Too bad the remote wont work with the pure white sets. Would have ordered it instantly. For now, the piss yellow ones from Ikea will have to do.

Check this
http://www.kutop.com/10-keys-rf-wireless-remote-single-color-led-controller.html

and for


I tested these for lightbox idea but not bright enough, I may order the pure white ones to see if those are any brighter

They have 14.16,18 and 20 lumens pure white strip the ones on ebay i think are 14 or less not sure how much difference that is maybe you guys know http://www.kutop.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=5050+pure+white+300+led


I think Im am going to try the 16 but im still debating if i should just get rgb Geil are the rgb good enough for besta lighting?

Geil
09-23-2012, 12:50 PM
I am still waiting for my new sets to arrive. Maybe another week or two.

Also based on my search there seems to be brighter ones called 5630 and 5730 the latter being double the brightness of the 5050 but nobody seems to sell these in LED strips on eBay and so far I can only track them down on Chinese websites like Alibaba. :(

CTO15
09-23-2012, 05:35 PM
Brighter then 5050? Those must be intense!

Geil
09-23-2012, 05:54 PM
yeah but I just don't understand why it is not available on ebay like the 5050s... well getting a friend that is currently in china to help me source some to try. I need brighter LEDs for my new case design ;)

yeha
09-24-2012, 11:01 AM
yeah but I just don't understand why it is not available on ebay like the 5050s... well getting a friend that is currently in china to help me source some to try. I need brighter LEDs for my new case design ;)

Here you go!
http://dx.com/p/24w-6700k-6000lm-300x5630-smd-led-cold-white-light-waterproof-flexible-strip-dc-12v-5m-length-120786?item=36

Geil
09-24-2012, 06:04 PM
oh snap nice find .... though I have hear horror stories of deliveries taking longer than upto 2 months .. but ... gotto ..... try .....
too bad no 5730 :P

TotalDominAsian
09-27-2012, 03:54 AM
So let me get this straight... Dioders are no good now? And buy LED strips from somewhere else?

I'm finally going to be buying some Detolfs in the next month or so, but I have no clue how to set the lighting up now. :(

former member DFtM
09-27-2012, 09:00 PM
OMFG. My mind just imploded.

I want to wire up LED strips on each shelf of the detolf but right now I just am not quite sure how to achieve it.

So.. if I buy one of these:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/160562259516?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

and some of these:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10PCS-10mm-Width-Connector-RGB-5050-Led-Strip-lights-So-Easy-Use-/160834870761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2572815de9#ht_3629wt_960

I can cut the strip to length and use the second item to prep the wiring??

But then how do you link those to the power supply? Hmm. I'm going to toddle off now and search for a "lighting 101" thread for n00bs like me who foolishly thought the detolf's light would do.

pavehawk78
09-28-2012, 03:10 PM
OMFG. My mind just imploded.

I want to wire up LED strips on each shelf of the detolf but right now I just am not quite sure how to achieve it.

So.. if I buy one of these:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/160562259516?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

and some of these:

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10PCS-10mm-Width-Connector-RGB-5050-Led-Strip-lights-So-Easy-Use-/160834870761?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2572815de9#ht_3629wt_960

I can cut the strip to length and use the second item to prep the wiring??

But then how do you link those to the power supply? Hmm. I'm going to toddle off now and search for a "lighting 101" thread for n00bs like me who foolishly thought the detolf's light would do.

Try these...http://www.barlighting.com/led4white.html

Geil
09-28-2012, 10:21 PM
You do need to pick up some 4 conductor wires and pick something similar gauge (I dont have mine anymore so I can't measure it but got another set coming) radio shack or similar store should have those. You will need to do some soldering yourself.
You will save yourself the work if you go ikea dioder or those bar lights. But at $35 for 5m of RGB LEDs it's almost still cheaper to not cut the strip and just cover up the sections you don't need LOL but of you do put the effort in to cut and solder your own wires you are effectively getting 16 of those 12" strips
Looks like the wiring is just around 22-24AWG so should have plenty of choices.
I just received my new sets and the wiring diagram and the actual product don't really match in terms of wiring colors but I figured it out without killing myself or the LEDs. Waiting for some paypal payments to clear so I can get the brighter LEDs as well.

dalbelo
10-01-2012, 08:25 AM
If any of you have some warm white Ikea Dioders you want to get rid of, let me know. I will buy them from you. I got stuck with the warm yellowish ones too unfortunately but I am about 2 hours away and its not worth me returning them. I already have a few sets installed so I might as well just keep going with the same ones.

PM me if you want to sell them!! Im looking for the ones that came in the 4 pack, DIODERS!

Rkbrawl
10-01-2012, 08:21 PM
Finally ordered them last week I just ordered everything from different us sellers because i didn't want to wait a month. I got these 700-800lumen http://www.ebay.com/itm/5M-300-LED-5050-SMD-Pure-White-Waterproof-Flexible-Light-Lamp-Strip-DC-12V-New-/150777018495?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231b02b87f and this type remote http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-light-Single-Color-RF-Dimmer-Wireless-Remote-Control-Controller-12-24V-8A-/300733922755?pt=US_Lighting_Parts_and_Accessories&hash=item4605237dc3 here's a pic dimmed as low as it can go and all the way bright in a pitck dark room http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b565/rkbrawl/P1020250_zps614ece03.jpg http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b565/rkbrawl/P1020249_zps49414076.jpg I like em:)

former member DFtM
10-02-2012, 02:18 AM
Thx very much for the links & tips!! Learning still but that's very helpful!

TotalDominAsian
10-09-2012, 04:34 AM
Been trying to read through this thread and make sense of all of what has already been posted. I'm incredibly bad when it comes to wiring/lighting, but basically... there hasn't been a good alternative yet to the Dioder?

Someone linked some type of 5M 5050 light strip which looked promising... but how does it work? Attaches through adhesive? Do you just cut the strips into proper lengths... and somehow hook them all up to a power outlet?

Geil
10-09-2012, 10:59 AM
Finally ordered them last week I just ordered everything from different us sellers because i didn't want to wait a month. I got these 700-800lumen http://www.ebay.com/itm/5M-300-LED-5050-SMD-Pure-White-Waterproof-Flexible-Light-Lamp-Strip-DC-12V-New-/150777018495?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231b02b87f and this type remote http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-light-Single-Color-RF-Dimmer-Wireless-Remote-Control-Controller-12-24V-8A-/300733922755?pt=US_Lighting_Parts_and_Accessories&hash=item4605237dc3 here's a pic dimmed as low as it can go and all the way bright in a pitck dark room I like em:)
Nice work!
Can you share a pic of how you wired your LEDs? Might as well gather up all the options here

hibiki
10-10-2012, 06:14 AM
So it looks like I bought a power supply with a 2.5mm jack and connectors that are 2.1mm. They fit, but will it work or is it even safe.

Geil
10-29-2012, 08:34 PM
After receiving my LEDs I also dug out a bunch of PC mod CCFL lights I picked up a long time ago.
I did a test setup with both and the CCFL are still brighter, almost double the brightness, so I will have to use those for the base lightbox but the LEDs will also be used topside.... a sneak peek at my setup
http://imageshack.us/a/img13/5661/photooct27204047.jpg

btw a small note of caution, don't leave your lights on for too long during testing while parts or all of it is rolled up in the wheel. I have to try again and observe but something started getting hot and smoked and started melting the plastic wheel........

Geil
10-30-2012, 04:57 PM
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/3884/photooct30192911.jpg
Another update on the CCFL lightbox. It all looks actually quite bright so I will leave the LEDs for now

markedkiller78
11-02-2012, 09:04 AM
Looking good Geil :)

Thanks to my growing collection, I bought more detolf cases. I had 3 sets of Dioder Lights (cool white) but the 4th and all the stock in the ikea near me are Warm white.

I realise I'm not going to find more Cool White sets, so looking at LED strips as mentioned earlier in the thread.

Does anyone know what rating 5050? would be the closest match to the Cool White Dioder lights?

Geil
11-02-2012, 12:28 PM
I wouldn't count on them being identical as even the old stock was more warmish. I say look for used sets to compliment your setup or sell yours and convert all your lighting to be sure all lights are the same.. If you were in Toronto I'd sell you my Dioders ;)

markedkiller78
11-06-2012, 09:18 AM
Thanks Geil,

It's such a PITA that ikea changed these :( I'm scouring ebay as we speak. If I can't find a replacement in the next week I think I'll juust buy 10m of LEDs and replace them all.

markedkiller78
11-07-2012, 08:20 AM
I've ordered 10m of 5050 Cool white LEDs.

At least this way I'll have some spare & selling my current 3 sets of cool white shoudl offset the cost.

Geil
11-07-2012, 08:33 AM
yup... its a lot of work but well worth it I am sure

AngryEwok
11-10-2012, 03:43 AM
Do you guys recommend any particular vendor for LED's? I have three DETOLFs that need lights.

felix_champs
11-25-2012, 03:21 PM
Finally ordered them last week I just ordered everything from different us sellers because i didn't want to wait a month. I got these 700-800lumen http://www.ebay.com/itm/5M-300-LED-5050-SMD-Pure-White-Waterproof-Flexible-Light-Lamp-Strip-DC-12V-New-/150777018495?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231b02b87f and this type remote http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-light-Single-Color-RF-Dimmer-Wireless-Remote-Control-Controller-12-24V-8A-/300733922755?pt=US_Lighting_Parts_and_Accessories&hash=item4605237dc3 here's a pic dimmed as low as it can go and all the way bright in a pitck dark room http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b565/rkbrawl/P1020250_zps614ece03.jpg http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b565/rkbrawl/P1020249_zps49414076.jpg I like em:)

What kind of shelf are you using for you PF ?

Thanks

rnbuda
11-25-2012, 06:27 PM
I believe he's using a BESTA unit with Vassbo doors.

former member DFtM
12-03-2012, 03:30 AM
Urgh!!!

I bought some ikea dioder strips on eBay. Freaking cables aren't long enough to do all four shelves.




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Rkbrawl
12-14-2012, 11:09 PM
Sorry haven't been around yes its a Besta with Vassbo doors

Rkbrawl
12-14-2012, 11:24 PM
Nice work!
Can you share a pic of how you wired your LEDs? Might as well gather up all the options here

Sure i can do that :) I am going to paint that room soon maybe this weekend and I will pull it away from the wall and take a few

Rkbrawl
12-15-2012, 10:44 PM
this is what i did

Soldered wires to 1.5' pieces of led light strip for each shelf(i also put a long strip on top) and made some holes in back of besta to run the wires through
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b565/rkbrawl/P1020604_zpsb5bbb595.jpg

then ran the led strips in pairs to connectors ---- to Y adapter -----> to dimmer ------> to power adapter

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b565/rkbrawl/P1020608_zps2d824b8f.jpg

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b565/rkbrawl/P1020609_zpsc8d1abca.jpg

makes it easy for me to remove or add any i want :)

myc
01-29-2013, 12:59 PM
to bad I noted this thread not earlier.. been to IKEA myself and picked up two packs of the Dioder just to notice that they are now pissed yellow instead of the nice white... Will return those.

I ordered now a curable roll for $20 and will solder some wires on it and customize it myself.. I might keep one Dioder and use their transformer :D

EnShinNoi
03-12-2013, 11:29 PM
I just discovered the same problem. Not sure what to do because it's a perfect setup for my existing cabinet and I want the lighting the same in both.

I'm wondering if I should mix and match. 2 yellow in the middle, a white top and bottom...

EnShinNoi
03-12-2013, 11:52 PM
That doesn't work out so well.

****!

It'd probably be a nightmare looking for white ones online...

EnShinNoi
03-13-2013, 12:33 AM
I've decided to keep them. From top to bottom it's white, warm, white, warm. So white light is hitting statues from the top and warm from the bottom. My mirror backing and glass shelving helps the lighting blend. I still prefer the intensity of all white and the museum-ish presence it creates but I'll live with my changes. It's more homely and fits the environment (bedroom) better.

Geil
04-02-2013, 08:17 PM
OK After hibernating for a few months again here are finally some pictures of the two LED strips I picked up. I took the following pictures focused on colour and brightness to match what I see as much as possible so to make your decision making process a little easier. Same f stop, shutter speed and exposure so should be relatively objective comparison... should have put up a white piece of paper but oh well maybe next time :P


http://www.ebay.ca/itm/160562259516?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
this is the one I picked up and delivered in under 2 weeks and its very bright in its brightest setting

ok assuming they are all the same strips I ordered this one instead for my real round which does not incl the powersupply so total is a bit more per 5m but its a RF remote :P
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10M-RGB-SMD-5050-300leds-Waterproof-Led-Strip-Black-RF-Touching-Controller-/150827726889?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item231e087829#ht_6302wt_960

These are the set of pictures I took of the multicolor 5050s
http://imageshack.us/a/img4/3028/ledcool.jpg
This is using the cool white setting and has the most light output but still significantly less then 5630. It has a very bluish tint and washes out some of the colours so I will not likely use it (unless I use it for my Terminator setup ;))

http://imageshack.us/a/img51/1396/ledwarm.jpg
This is using the warm white setting and you can see it is a little less light ouput than the cool white. Might be just enough for Besta. It creates very realistic colours and skin tones and will be my preferred choice.

http://imageshack.us/a/img820/7233/ledwarmplus.jpg
I combined the LEDs with the wireless LED lights I got from Costco which is more of a cooler (but not bluish) white and I like it even though I am stuck with switching batteries again :P



Here you go!
http://dx.com/p/24w-6700k-6000lm-300x5630-smd-led-cold-white-light-waterproof-flexible-strip-dc-12v-5m-length-120786?item=36
http://imageshack.us/a/img24/7646/led5630.jpg
These are the 5630 LEDs very bright and certainly no problem to illuminate a Besta shelf BUT this set is too blue almost crossing into purple. If you can find these in lower K these would be perfect. You can see how bright these are compared to the 5050s oh I aimed these into the wrong direction so they ended up illuminating the front of the case instead of the content. Maybe I come back later with the correct setup if there is an interest here for it. DX doesn't seem to carry a 5630 set that has the warmer K specs (http://dx.com/s/5630.html?sort=-Price&category=702) but will keep an eye open as this would be the ultimate choice

Pixelpiper
04-06-2013, 01:30 PM
LEDWholesalers on Amazon is where (from whom) I pick up most of my LED ribbon. The cool white is quite white, but I generally prefer the 3700k warm which has a very pleasing glow.

Geil
04-06-2013, 04:06 PM
Which one did you get? I searched and the seller ledwholesalers seems to only have 1 single color and 2 RGB option available. I never even thought to check amazon.ca but too bad they don't have any 5630 nor 5730 LEDs which are the brighter ones. 5050 RGB is barely acceptable not sure if 5050 single color is better but I skipped 3528 completely as its even weaker. Besides 5050 is cheap enough and lots of sells channel and color option. But my goal is to hold off any further purchase until I see more 5630 or even 5730 with the warmer whites


:borg "Resistance is Futile"

Pixelpiper
04-06-2013, 04:19 PM
3528's are pretty bright if you have 60 LEDs per meter (300 for the whole strip). My RGB 5050's are spaced twice the distance with only 150 for the strip and they just don't rival the smaller LEDs for white light. If you get white 5050's with a 60 per meter count I'm sure they'll be insanely bright. Keep in mind that if you have a very dark background in your cabinet, plus dark walls and shelf, they're going to eat up a lot of the light. You'd be surprised what a difference even just a white shelf floor can make. Especially nice if you can't see the floor, then it just works to reflect back some light without the viewer knowing how/why.

I never shop on Amazon.ca, only Amazon.com, so I don't know if that makes a difference when searching.

Let us know if you get any experience with the other size LEDs as well. Power consumption is important for me too, so I've been using the smaller 3528 for applications where I only need white.

Geil
04-06-2013, 06:47 PM
If I can be sure 3528 white is bright enough I would pick that. Yes power consumption would be reduced and one power supply would suffice for a lot of lights!
Wiring would be easier w two leads (vs RGB needing 4) for single colour but I got tempted by the RGB option and the rf remote :P


:borg "Resistance is Futile"

Geil
04-06-2013, 06:57 PM
Ohhhhhhhhh Amazon.com is good!!! They even have 5730! I may need to try that for another backlight setup


:borg "Resistance is Futile"

canadaclone
04-09-2013, 09:47 AM
I just got 2 new cabinets to add to the 8 I have already and bought some new lights and they are VERY different!!!! Clones and Troopers would all look piss yellow...grrr

My IKEA said that they never noticed the difference, but a girl at the next spot at the return counter said that Dioder have been a high return item...gee I wonder why?

Pixelpiper
04-09-2013, 11:21 AM
Dioder lights are messy to install anyway, you're better off without them. ;)

arch2b
08-03-2013, 01:06 PM
very informative thread. I did not know Ikea had changed the LED's in teh Dioder kit until I bought an additional Detolf cabinet to add to my toy display and installed the lights, plugged them in and pushed the switch and shocked the light was so yellow and so less bright than the others I purchased a year or more ago. I was very disappointed to say the least but i ad already run all the wires, etc. and wasn't going to tear it back out. So, now i'm looking at the LED Bar Lighting website or contemplating replacing them all with custom LED strip setup. I"ll need a good 16' at least to cover all the cabinets.

it's clear in the picture which is the new LED Dioder kit and the results it provides are absolutely awful.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/968/photo80.JPG

Pixelpiper
08-03-2013, 01:50 PM
I"ll need a good 16' at least to cover all the cabinets.

That will cost you less than $15 at Amazon, shipped. Plus another $13-15 for power.

Machew1031
08-03-2013, 02:02 PM
Hey guys! I have the new dioder set with the warm white color. And I saw at bar lighting.com that they have a cool white set but the cables connector for the strips are only 3feet long:/ too short to go threw the detolf cabinets. Does anybody know if I can use the dioder wires on with the cool white strips from bar lighting.com? Or is there another alternative? Thanks!

arch2b
08-03-2013, 03:50 PM
can you not buy longer connection cables in their strip accessories page?

arch2b
08-03-2013, 03:51 PM
That will cost you less than $15 at Amazon, shipped. Plus another $13-15 for power.

could you pm or email me link to products? searching for LED stuff can get overwhelming with the volume of materials available.

Machew1031
08-03-2013, 07:14 PM
can you not buy longer connection cables in their strip accessories page?

Oh ok found it! Thanks man!

LL Cool Jer
08-05-2013, 01:04 PM
very informative thread. I did not know Ikea had changed the LED's in teh Dioder kit until I bought an additional Detolf cabinet to add to my toy display and installed the lights, plugged them in and pushed the switch and shocked the light was so yellow and so less bright than the others I purchased a year or more ago. I was very disappointed to say the least but i ad already run all the wires, etc. and wasn't going to tear it back out. So, now i'm looking at the LED Bar Lighting website or contemplating replacing them all with custom LED strip setup. I"ll need a good 16' at least to cover all the cabinets.

it's clear in the picture which is the new LED Dioder kit and the results it provides are absolutely awful.

http://mini-zracer.com/mini-zgallery/data/968/photo80.JPG

In this picture, the one that has an orange hue to it. Is that considered the warm or cool white(or just their "new white")? I'm trying to figure out which dioder strip to get.

arch2b
08-05-2013, 03:52 PM
the far right is the new Dioder kit which is a warm white.

faiz181
08-11-2013, 04:06 PM
For those in the UK...

I bought these today from B&Q...

B&Q Select Apex Under Cabinet White LED Lighting Kit, Pack of 4

http://www.diy.com/nav/rooms/kitchens/kitchen-storage/kitchen_lighting/B-and-Q-Select-Apex-Under-Cabinet-White-LED-Lighting-Kit-Pack-of-4-10547669?skuId=11038360

A bit pricey at almost 30 - but they have more LED's than the IKEA version (about 3 more LED lights in the actual strip). Cool White light (a quick test against the original IKEA ones show they're very similar).

If like me you've been searching for ages with no luck, and you don't have the time/skill/patience to buy an LED strip and piece it together yourself, this is the next best thing to the IKEA ones.

Thanks.

p.s. will post pics once I've installed them.

LionHeart
02-15-2014, 02:10 PM
Ok guys, sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I finally found an alternative for Ikea's old Dioders. Like many of you, I recently purchased Ikea's white dioder set and found that the yellow tint didn't match the rest of my lights. I saw barlighting.com being thrown around as a good substitute, so I decided to give that a go. The problem with barlighting's white leds are that they are slightly cooler than Ikeas, clocking in at roughly 6000k, which gives them a slightly blue hue.

After trying out many different led light strips and comparing them to the old Dioders, I've narrowed the correct color temperature to 4500k. 4000k will be slightly yellow compared to the old lights, while 5000k is hospital white. Anyways, even after narrowing down the color temperature, it seems that many companies sell light strips with color temperatures in a certain range (i.e. 4000k-4500k), as opposed to a set number. After trying several LED strips and promptly returning them, due the the discrepancies of listed vs actual color temperature, I stumbled upon an ebay seller who offers just what we are looking for.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350788493803?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

This is the link for a light strip that perfectly matches Ikea's old Dioders. All you need is a 12v power supply, some red/black extension cables, and you will have the perfect alternative.

If the link is dead by the time you are reading this, they have the color temperature listed at 4200k-4700k, which is our best bet in matching the Dioder's 4500k.

Pixelpiper
02-15-2014, 03:25 PM
There's only one potential problem with the strip you linked. It's 5050 LEDs in a 60 per meter density. That's INSANELY bright and sucks up a ton of power compared to the smaller 3538 size. The smaller ones are plenty to light any shelf IKEA sells - I have to use very small segments or sometimes knock out groups of 3 LEDs to tone down the light output. If you're trying to light a room, that's anther story entirely. ;)

Wreck
02-15-2014, 04:32 PM
link to simple power supply and red/black cables from amazon?

LionHeart
02-15-2014, 05:17 PM
There's only one potential problem with the strip you linked. It's 5050 LEDs in a 60 per meter density. That's INSANELY bright and sucks up a ton of power compared to the smaller 3538 size. The smaller ones are plenty to light any shelf IKEA sells - I have to use very small segments or sometimes knock out groups of 3 LEDs to tone down the light output. If you're trying to light a room, that's anther story entirely. ;)

Good point, but nothing a cheap dimmer can't solve.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007V1B0W8/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


link to simple power supply and red/black cables from amazon?
Here's the power supply. There are cheaper options, but there's no delay with this one, and it's a trusted brand.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007A4LTLS/ref=oh_details_o04_s00_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Link to extension cable
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009VCZ4V8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

MarlinT
03-05-2014, 09:48 AM
Oh ok found it! Thanks man!

Is there any reason that longer connection cable (http://www.barlighting.com/Connector-Cables-LED-Strip-Kit-p/srp-2cc.htm) wouldn't fit in the Ikea Dioder multi-colored strip hub?

I like the blue-ish hue in my cabinets, but the cords are way too short. This would be the easiest answer for me if they would work.

Anybody try this yet?

spandy34
03-05-2014, 10:30 AM
http://ledlightshack.com/default.aspx#.UmlL9ZuGwuY.gmail

This is what i plan on using after i get a set of besta's or billy's from ikea

tyler_durden_83
05-27-2014, 06:52 AM
Is there any reason that longer connection cable (http://www.barlighting.com/Connector-Cables-LED-Strip-Kit-p/srp-2cc.htm) wouldn't fit in the Ikea Dioder multi-colored strip hub?

I like the blue-ish hue in my cabinets, but the cords are way too short. This would be the easiest answer for me if they would work.

Anybody try this yet?

I'd love to know this as well, I really need extention cords!

dw316
05-27-2014, 08:08 AM
Indreda

tyler_durden_83
05-27-2014, 12:18 PM
Indreda

Sorry?

natron
05-28-2014, 07:59 AM
They've got a different connector. I've got a set of the older Idea Dioders and a lot of the barlighting sets, and their cables are not compatible. I like the barlighting stuff better.


Is there any reason that longer connection cable (http://www.barlighting.com/Connector-Cables-LED-Strip-Kit-p/srp-2cc.htm) wouldn't fit in the Ikea Dioder multi-colored strip hub?

I like the blue-ish hue in my cabinets, but the cords are way too short. This would be the easiest answer for me if they would work.

Anybody try this yet?

tyler_durden_83
05-28-2014, 10:33 AM
They've got a different connector. I've got a set of the older Idea Dioders and a lot of the barlighting sets, and their cables are not compatible. I like the barlighting stuff better.

So there is absolutely no chance to find an excention cable for the current ikea dioders? :( :( :(

Boba Debt
05-28-2014, 11:04 AM
Inexpensive lighting is easier to install them most people think


I found these Cool White LED panels on eBay for 99 cents
111846

Here is a link to the auction:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/131186241829?var=430420235428&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


You can easily attach some wire leads to these and power them with a 4-12vdc power supply and a simple switch.

LEDS are hard to break, as long as you don’t exceed the recommended voltage they will be ok. You hook the positive lead to one leg and the ground to the other. If it doesn’t work, swap them.

Once you figure one panel out, you can wire up the rest with red/black 26 gauge wire.

You could light an entire display for less then $20

Here is my War Machine cabinet with full custom lighting:


http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Movie%20Props/IM%20HOA/IMCabinet027_zpse1d385bc.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/BobaDebt/media/Movie%20Props/IM%20HOA/IMCabinet027_zpse1d385bc.jpg.html)


The shelves have 36” LED rope lights and I replaced the 120VAC halogen lights in the Pucks with the 12VDC LED Panels.

Then I removed the plugs and connected them to a 3.7VDC cell phone power suply with wire nuts.


The center is still Warm White Halogens, so you can see a huge differnce in the lighting.




I could make some inexpensive lighting kits and sell them on this forum but I’m not going to pay $35 year to make a few bucks selling something that is very easy to make.

Aumakua
06-12-2014, 08:06 PM
Has anyone used the sylvania mosiac lights. Looks like costco has/had 6 packs of 2 ft strips for $30. Color changing with remote and dimmer. Seems perfect for bestas.

LionHeart
06-12-2014, 08:44 PM
Has anyone used the sylvania mosiac lights. Looks like costco has/had 6 packs of 2 ft strips for $30. Color changing with remote and dimmer. Seems perfect for bestas.

I have a set that I use behind my TV. They're great for setting different colors, but the white is too blue in my opinion.

Aumakua
06-13-2014, 08:17 AM
I have a set that I use behind my TV. They're great for setting different colors, but the white is too blue in my opinion.

yeah I wish they stated the temp, I have read it isn't a warm white (not close to 2700), but video I have seen it looks pretty pure white, although that might only be when at its brightest (which is probably too bright for the cabinets).

Dioder is on sale at ikea this month for $20 ($30 for colors), tempted to jump on it, but $30 for four 24" strips just seems like a better deal and it comes with a remote and easier to buy extenders compared to dioder

LionHeart
06-13-2014, 08:27 AM
The multi color dioders are just as blue. I would say that both the costco lights and the dioders are over 6000K. The only leds I was able to find that were the same white as the original white dioders were the strips I posted about earlier in the thread, which were around 4500k.

DarthMagnus
08-19-2014, 06:24 AM
I know its a long shot but if anyone has went a different route with lights cause of the shortage and has any Ikea cool white dioders that they are not using now. I'm looking for a set. Ready to buy!

smiles_hope
08-20-2014, 12:13 PM
Anyone know the return policy at Ikea? I threw away my receipt before I put my lights up and one of my sets of colored Dioder strips doesn't work. Can I bring them in to exchange without a receipt?

Pixelpiper
08-20-2014, 01:54 PM
In Canada its 90 days - generally you should have your receipt, so I don't know what they can/will do for you without one. If they're like some other stores, they may be able to easily reference the transaction if you paid using a credit card.

Lumos
11-19-2014, 07:50 PM
So was there ever a consensus on what the BEST cool white alternative is?

egel
11-20-2014, 04:30 AM
Was at Ikea's a couple weeks back and came across the lights section which had Dioders on display. Fiddled around with the multi-color spots, the brightest setting (full white) on that is 'cooler' than the normal white spots. Wanted to try the same with the strips, but they didn't have those on display.

Still, it is up to you to find out which lights fit the best with your collection.

Lumos
12-13-2014, 02:28 PM
I noticed people talking about the barlighting connecting strips being too short, and therefore the connecting box has to be mounted midway up a detolf, etc. But doesn't barlighting sell cables in different lengths that will solve this issue?

DarthMagnus
12-25-2014, 07:45 AM
I'm looking for one set of Ikea original cool white dioders. If anyone is willing to part with a set I'm willing to pay handsomely for them. I am working with 9 sets and even though I know the barlighting.com ones are brighter I just can't fathom changing everything out. Pm me and name your price if your interested. Happy holidays to all!

dms54nyc
01-08-2015, 01:19 AM
Any of you guys using tape lights? They are cheap for alot of light considering what you pay for the bars of leds. Just trying to wrap my head around how to set them up for shelves.

KevinM
01-28-2015, 02:12 PM
Does anyone know what cool white led strips I can use to replace my Dioder warm white strips into the Dioder 2 pin connectors?
Is it easy enough to cut from a reel and connect them?

I'm in the UK. Thanks

Pixelpiper
01-28-2015, 03:37 PM
If you're going to replace all the LEDs of a Dioder, then you might as well replace the whole thing, including its wiring and power supply. If the power supply is anywhere from 9 to 15v (12v is typical for LED strips), then you can use any number of LED strips. However if you don't know what you're doing you'd better read up a little bit on voltage, current and resistance, the absolute basics. As well as how to calculate wattage (current x voltage). What you'll need to be careful of is that you don't overload the power supply with the new LEDs. You'll need to know how much current the new LEDs are pulling (at the voltage of the supply) as well as how much current the power supply can deliver. Allow 15-25% head room (that means the power supply should be able to supply 15-25% more than your LEDs need).

Ljaat
01-29-2015, 06:34 AM
Someone beat me to posting this in the "Lights for detolf" thread but he didn't get any answers so I figured I'd try this one.

I'm looking at getting my first detolf and ran across these..

| Custom Led Light Kits & Collectable Toys (http://www.thecollectioncorner.com/)

I was wondering if anyone has tried them. They come in cool and warm light .The Downlighter kit isn't the cheapest.. but then neither are the Dioders.

I might give these a try.. otherwise just buy a roll of LEDs and wiring it up myself.

kimsoyens
02-19-2015, 06:08 PM
so now i'll be buying my first set of ikea diorder multicolor led set.

Questions:
- is this a good buy to put in my display cabinets? im using a white cabinet.
- is it bright enough for my display? i'll be using cool white or warm white.
- is it safe to run it on long hours?

Hope someone can enlighten me.
Thank you guys!

omgmarclol
08-15-2015, 07:45 AM
read through the thread and was looking at the barlighting.com site but their cool white strip kits seem to be out of stock. trying to find new lights for a billy, any new recommendations?

xipotec
08-19-2015, 06:44 PM
Its really easy to make you own LED lights, much more customizable and MUCH better lighting....any colors you want.

PM if you need help...took me a few hours on a weekend to do all of them.

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/how-to-display-your-collectibles/160832-detolf-build-custom-led-setup-instructions.html

204952

snoop101
09-03-2015, 07:32 PM
read through the thread and was looking at the barlighting.com site but their cool white strip kits seem to be out of stock. trying to find new lights for a billy, any new recommendations?

They're good lights too, I tried to order more but also noticed they were out of stock. Apparently they're changing suppliers.

crimsondragon
09-07-2015, 07:36 PM
I'm looking to light a very large curio cabinet. Are Ledbergs any good? I need a longer strip to stretch across the shelves. I also need them to be easy to install. [emoji1] Any advice would be most appreciated.