Interest?Hot Toys DX 08 Custom Hat thread [Archive]

TheFiend

04-30-2012, 04:15 PM

But his hat wasn't felt. That brings up another question: what material would you guys want to see?

Good question. Felt would be good wouldn't it? I need to see it to decide. I got it in my head what felt look and feels like but I may be wrong. Doesn't felt fray though? I dunno..I know I don't want it to be what HT used.

batfan08

04-30-2012, 04:29 PM

I started this thread because the topic seemed to be popping up a lot and, to be perfectly frank, someone had to.
First things first:

-we need more exposure and more people to get interested

Following that:

-We need to agree on a price
-We need to agree on a tailor
-and we need some references so that we can get an idea of what to expect, what material to be used, etc.

Then, we'll start getting this thing moving.

TheFiend

04-30-2012, 04:43 PM

Here's a good pic for shape and scale to the body

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd494/thefiendclub1/JACK_NICHOLSON_JOKER.jpg

I'll try looking for a close up.

Frank

04-30-2012, 04:44 PM

I'm game. Do it up!

klocket

04-30-2012, 04:45 PM

No Kato... he does amazing tailoring but i don't want to pay the same price i would for an Adventurebilt full size. :p

Personally, i wish Hot Toys would have taken some more time looking at the source material and i posted this on their facebook page daily:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/klocket/BetterBeSure.jpg

I also wish they would have just made a textured sculpted hat instead of material... oh well, bring on the custom!

M.

toylion

04-30-2012, 04:53 PM

TheFiend

04-30-2012, 04:57 PM

klocket

04-30-2012, 05:01 PM

I'm still looking for one a close up for the one used in the film but here is a replica made by some company that makes such things.

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd494/thefiendclub1/jokerhat.jpg

That almost looks like a Halloween budget hat... the one you see stacks and stacks of for like 5-10 bucks.

Still looks like the hat is a darker shade of purple than the rest of the suit... and that pic makes it look like it's a match.

M.

Maglor

04-30-2012, 05:12 PM

Subscribed. Definitely want one.

TheFiend

04-30-2012, 05:14 PM

^ I agree. I'm just throwing stuff out there. This one is mainly for shape. I thought some one posted a pic of the real hat somewhere.

batfan08

04-30-2012, 07:04 PM

Well, I just contacted Kato, purely to see how much it could cost, but he doesn't make hats, so that's one tailor down.

S. Griffin

04-30-2012, 07:23 PM

Felt hats by Steve Corn (StevoToys). I know someone said he isn't taking any more work right now. But just showing what a felt hat looks like.
http://stevostoys.com/HHHHTS%20WYATT.jpg
http://stevostoys.com/Plainsman.jpg
http://stevostoys.com/MMMMMman%20with%20no%20name1.jpg
http://stevostoys.com/WWWWildBillCORRECT.jpg
http://stevostoys.com/PREACHER%20HAT.jpg
http://stevostoys.com/BIG%20JAKE%20HAT.jpg

While those really do look like very well made little hats, the texture of the felt seems much too course in scale...especially for Joker's hat. It might get kind of expensive, although I'll admit that I have no idea how much a yard or whatever costs, but what about satin?

toylion

04-30-2012, 07:27 PM

While those really do look like very well made little hats, the texture of the felt seems much too course in scale...especially for Joker's hat. It might get kind of expensive, although I'll admit that I have no idea how much a yard or whatever costs, but what about satin?

Steve has made quite of few special order hats for me. And now carries them on his site. Just charged me what any other hat would cost, $15.- $18.00. And those photos are blown up. In scale they don't look as course. He made these two for me.
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc309/toylion/Toy%20Collection/Picture002-11-1.jpg

S. Griffin

04-30-2012, 07:43 PM

Well, I feel like the Hot Toys hat has too much texture to it, too, so...yeah. And those hats look huge on your cowboys there.

batfan08

04-30-2012, 07:47 PM

The point being, however, that people want the hat to be accurate. StevO does some great quality hats, but one could argue that the HT hat is well-made, but inaccurate, and so would StevO's(purely material wise) . It definitely seems more like an actual fabric hat to me, judging by the pictures. .

S. Griffin

04-30-2012, 07:53 PM

Yeah, I don't think the hat Jack wore was felt at all.

toylion

04-30-2012, 08:05 PM

Yeah, I don't think the hat Jack wore was felt at all.

Real quality hats are made from Beaver felt, rabbit and hare. The more beaver the higher the quality.
http://www.stetsonhat.com/video.php

batfan08

04-30-2012, 08:15 PM

But how well does that translate to 1/6th,and also, it seems like Jack's hat lacks the stiffness in the brim associated with felt hats, it seemed almost fedora like.

toylion

04-30-2012, 08:19 PM

But how well does that translate to 1/6th,and also, it seems like Jack's hat lacks the stiffness in the brim associated with felt hats, it seemed almost fedora like.

Steton's also make Fedoras. They are all made from felt unless there straw hats. Indiana Jones hat is made from Beaver felt as well.

S. Griffin

04-30-2012, 08:27 PM

batfan08

04-30-2012, 08:31 PM

Again, it doesn't seem like that translates as well to 1/6th. Those hats seem kind of oversized, as Stewie said, and very coarse, where, if it was felt, Jack's actual hat was so fine that it seemed like fabric.

sueworld

05-01-2012, 01:27 AM

Yeah, I don't think the hat Jack wore was felt at all.

It was a stiffened milliners felt. But not the fuzzy affair that you have in your minds eye when you say 'felt'.

One of my friends in the industry used to know the person who made the original hat for the movie.

How about having them vac formed or would that end up being too shiny?

TheFiend

05-01-2012, 02:14 AM

Well, I don't think anyone here wants to pay for beaver (yeah, I said that), and any felt would make a pretty fuzzy hat in 1/6. If I wanted one for my head instead of little Jack's, it'd be a different story.

Again, it doesn't seem like that translates as well to 1/6th. Those hats seem kind of oversized, as Stewie said, and very coarse, where, if it was felt, Jack's actual hat was so fine that it seemed like fabric.

I agree.

We need to find a customizer. Someone known on the board to do good work. Creative folk usually think outside the box and have good ideas.

KingGrayskull

05-01-2012, 06:07 AM

Id be highly interested in a hat too. Anybody already asked Steveotoys? Maybe he said he wont take any new orders but sometimes an email is working wonders...

Maglor

05-01-2012, 07:01 AM

But how well does that translate to 1/6th,and also, it seems like Jack's hat lacks the stiffness in the brim associated with felt hats, it seemed almost fedora like.

Well, I don't think anyone here wants to pay for beaver (yeah, I said that), and any felt would make a pretty fuzzy hat in 1/6. If I wanted one for my head instead of little Jack's, it'd be a different story.

Again, it doesn't seem like that translates as well to 1/6th. Those hats seem kind of oversized, as Stewie said, and very coarse, where, if it was felt, Jack's actual hat was so fine that it seemed like fabric.

This. The texture of the felt/fur is not what I want in 1/6.

I'm actually thinking that a simple sculpted hat would be the way to go.

Avenger

05-01-2012, 09:20 AM

I'd be game if it looks good.

sueworld

05-01-2012, 10:31 AM

This. The texture of the felt/fur is not what I want in 1/6.

I'm actually thinking that a simple sculpted hat would be the way to go.

That or have them vac formed? I have a copy of Jacks hat struck from the hat block that was made for the movie version and so It should be failry easy to get the proper proportions right.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 11:28 AM

That or have them vac formed? I have a copy of Jacks hat struck from the hat block that was made for the movie version and so It should be failry easy to get the proper proportions right.

Do you know of anyone who could do this?

sueworld

05-01-2012, 11:36 AM

Well If nobody else wants to I could have a go at sculpting a former, and I know a friend who'd probably be willing to form them up for me.

Thing is like me he's in the UK.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 11:44 AM

Would it be possible to do a vac-formed plastic hat, but then, potentially, drape it in some sort of fabric to give it a bit of a realistic touch?

sueworld

05-01-2012, 12:00 PM

I think that might not work so well at that scale, especially when it comes to the brims edge.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 12:21 PM

What about just the top of the hat(I.e. the crown and the top half of the brim) with fabric and a fabric band?

batfan08

05-01-2012, 12:23 PM

Or would it be possible to vac-form the crown, but form the brim with fabric and sew the vac-formed crown into the fabric?

sueworld

05-01-2012, 01:46 PM

Hmm, not sure how good that would look myself. It would depend on how good the fabric was.

Do you remember the Asmus Mask they did. That had the same kinda hat and that was just sculpted and cast out of hard plastic.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 02:05 PM

Do you know what I'm saying, though? use the vac-formed crown as a structure (skeleton, base, etc.) and then use fabric, you could potentially even use wire to build a structure for the brim, if need be.

sueworld

05-01-2012, 02:18 PM

I think It will be very fiddley and I'm not all that confident what the results would be at that scale. If anyone else wants to try it or can suggest a suitable fabric then by all means have a go though.

TheFiend

05-01-2012, 02:23 PM

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd494/thefiendclub1/mask.jpg

If this is sculpted, that looks great. Does anyone know someone who has it in hand? batfan, I want a fabric hat as much as anyone but if we can't find a way to do it sculpted may be the best route. I did't even think of it until Maglor said something. The thing is that it has to look real and not a shiny mold.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 02:26 PM

Well, those are issues that I'm also curious about. I like the idea of a sculpted hat, but I also like the, shall I say,"authenticity" that fabric brings with it, and thus, I'm trying to brainstorm various ideas. I feel like the more input we get, the quicker we can get this thing moving, but I also would like to make sure that we get the best product possible.

S. Griffin

05-01-2012, 02:40 PM

batfan08

05-01-2012, 03:09 PM

I think a sculpted hat would work if it fits that head perfectly, but at the same time fabric would (could?) give the hat flexibility to sit in slightly different positions. A sculpted hat with room to move probably wouldn't fit all that great in any position.
Maybe I'm jumping ahead here.

I get what you're saying. There's one pic where this is especially present, as his brim has something of a downward tilt on one side; this doesn't seem like it'd work with plastic. What I'm hoping for is a hat that maintains the structural integrity of plastic, while providing the flexibility, look, and feel of fabric. That's why I suggested using a vac-formed, sculpted endoskeleton, so to speak, and a fabric covering, Basically, a plastic crown with a wire structure serving as the skeleton for the brim (as it seems like this could support the malleability of fabric, while maintaining the structure of the brim), and sewing it all up in a fabric "skin" with a nice, authentic band.

small_studios

05-01-2012, 06:21 PM

TheFiend

05-01-2012, 06:30 PM

Maybe a sculpted hat with with just some cloth on the inside to hold in position? I dunno....Maybe we can at least do what small_studio said just so we have something. At least get the ball rolling a little bit.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 07:18 PM

Well, here's a quick concept sketch I created to try to illustrate my idea, but if sculpted is what you guys want to go with, majority rules:

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x329/batfan08/888f25b6.jpg

Maglor

05-01-2012, 08:01 PM

^^^ Seems too complicated maybe?

What about just the top of the hat(I.e. the crown and the top half of the brim) with fabric and a fabric band?

It would have to be all fabric or all sculpted to look uniformed. However, I like the idea of a sculpted hat with a fabric band. Could go with a nice silk band like that one that comes with the DX08. Having a fabric detail (the band) would fill that need for something "real" I think.

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd494/thefiendclub1/mask.jpg

If this is sculpted, that looks great.

Not bad at all. The crown is too wide of course.

Does anyone know someone who has it in hand? batfan, I want a fabric hat as much as anyone but if we can't find a way to do it sculpted may be the best route. I did't even think of it until Maglor said something. The thing is that it has to look real and not a shiny mold.

And that would be more about the paint than the sculpt. Sideshow's Indiana Jones hat is sculpted and it looks great:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1luLRXKoJM8/STypzfrWN_I/AAAAAAAAKCI/Nkh83NF6FeI/S254/indy+hat.jpg

Only the band is shiny.

I think a sculpted hat would work if it fits that head perfectly, but at the same time fabric would (could?) give the hat flexibility to sit in slightly different positions. A sculpted hat with room to move probably wouldn't fit all that great in any position.
Maybe I'm jumping ahead here.

What about the Medicom Sparrow hat? Even fits great on the Hot Toys DX figure:

http://www.swmmedia.com/HOTTOYS/POTC/53.jpg

I think if the plastic used has a little flex to it, it could have a nice close, tight fit.

Maglor

05-01-2012, 08:03 PM

Not sure if it has been mentioned but I would try getting WGP to make it in Zbrush. This should be fairly easy and accurate since it will be done with a computer. With an added texture it would look really nice.

I think a well sculpted hat with the right texture and paint plus a real fabric band would be awesome.

That's where my vote is anyway. :)

batfan08

05-01-2012, 08:13 PM

I could see how it could seem too complicated, I'm just trying to figure out how we could make it more versatile. All of the wires could be fed in and glued to little holes in the plastic crown and from there, it's just a matter of getting some fabric and sealing the sum_____' up. I'd like to make a prototype to see what you guys would think, but I don't have the resources. I do think sculpted with a nice silk band could be a viable option. My only problem with sculpted is that, in my opinion, it seems like a step backwards from what Hot Toys did. Granted, the shape and color were off, but just settling on a sculpted hat seems like it'd be taking the easy way out. Maybe that's just me, though.

Maglor

05-01-2012, 08:18 PM

Medicom's Jack Sparrow sculpted hat looks miles better (and more accurate) than the "fabric" Hot Toys hat.

It seems that the DX line is trying to be more "real", but in my opinion that's not always the best looking.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 08:25 PM

The only thing that I'm thinking is that, if it were fabric, it would have to be thick enough so that wires weren't showing through, but thin enough that it doesn't look ridiculous and oversized, and that could prove difficult, unless a thinner fabric was covering the crown with a thinner fabric covering the brim, the stitching could then be covered by the band...pardon me, I'm just thinking aloud here. lol I'd like to maybe see about a poll being instated.

Cocoboloboy

05-01-2012, 09:05 PM

Personally I don't think a wired brim is the way to go. I like the idea of it being sculpted out of a more flexible material like Indy's hat though.

A felt hat isn't completely out of the question either. If someone wanted to try it I'll spill how I made the old Joker's hat from back in the day.

Buy the cheap purple felt. Lay them on wax paper and soak it in fabric stiffener. After it's dry you can trace a pattern on it and use an exacto to cut the pieces out. You can now bend the pieces and assemble them all with superglue. If you want to reshape the brim you can either bend it dry or mist it with water to make it more plyable.

The fabric stiffener takes away that fuzzy look to the felt and also allows you to paint it if you want to get the color just right. It is thicker than HT's vacu-plastic, flocked hat but I've always wanted to try and get a rolling pin and flatten the felt just after I soaked it. I think you could take a 64th or so away from the thickness by doing that.

Just some thoughts that might help.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 09:49 PM

Would you be interested in maybe showing a prototype or a test hat with the felt?

TheFiend

05-01-2012, 10:04 PM

I'm leaning toward Mags on this. Sculpted with a nice silk band.
But yeah I'd like to see a test hat too Coco, if you're interested of course.

batfan08

05-01-2012, 10:08 PM

I looked at Coco's previous hats, and honestly, the only issue I see is that the crowns are a little too wide, but they look pretty great from what I've seen.

TheFiend

05-02-2012, 12:26 AM

Got a link?

batfan08

05-02-2012, 04:27 AM

Got a link?

Check out his public profile and look in his album, there's some nice shots of the hats on the second page or so.

hhhaney1234

05-02-2012, 12:10 PM

batfan08

05-02-2012, 12:15 PM

I'd like to see that, the more options, the better.

Cocoboloboy

05-02-2012, 03:42 PM

I looked at Coco's previous hats, and honestly, the only issue I see is that the crowns are a little too wide, but they look pretty great from what I've seen.

Yeah, I agree. The crown needs to be smaller. I was able to reduce it a little bit on later versions but not much. I'm thinking that flatening the treated felt with a rolling pin will allow the crown to be smaller. Something I have never tried yet.

I would also liked to have seen a slight inward slant from brim to top but again, something I didn't try. If I ever have time again I may give it a go.

TheFiend

05-02-2012, 04:08 PM

with my experience making puppets and costumes for them, i may be able to come up with something once i get home this sunday. I'm thinking using some sturdy paper, sculpting it to be the brim and crown of the hat and then laying fabric over it.

That actually sound like a good idea. I'd really like to see that. Keep us updated. You know I thought we'd have more people

TheFiend

05-02-2012, 04:10 PM

Yeah, I agree. The crown needs to be smaller. I was able to reduce it a little bit on later versions but not much. I'm thinking that flatening the treated felt with a rolling pin will allow the crown to be smaller. Something I have never tried yet.

I would also liked to have seen a slight inward slant from brim to top but again, something I didn't try. If I ever have time again I may give it a go.

I'd like to see yours too.

Maglor

05-02-2012, 06:26 PM

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=108

toylion

05-02-2012, 06:41 PM

http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=108

Look at that, looks like felt hats to me. :rotfl

Cocoboloboy

05-02-2012, 06:44 PM

There they are. Thanks, Mags. I made them oblong to fit the bilikin head better. Looking at it head on it appeared narrower.

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/7377/jokerpictureqk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

TheFiend

05-02-2012, 08:02 PM

Those actually look cool Coco. Do you have the new Joker? If you could plop one on him to give us a look if you get the chance.

Cocoboloboy

05-02-2012, 08:40 PM

Those actually look cool Coco. Do you have the new Joker? If you could plop one on him to give us a look if you get the chance.

Thanks! Believe it or not I don't have a single one left. They all sold and the one that was on my custom went with it when I sold it on ebay.

Maglor

05-02-2012, 09:21 PM

For what it's worth (and no offense to Coco), I think the HT hat is better than his custom. Part of the problem with the Hot Toys hat is that the crown is too big. The crown is even wider on Coco's. That said, the brim is a more accurate width on yours Coco.

There are 2 problems with Hot Toys hat:

1) The brim is too small.
2) The crown is too big.

The brim, there is no excuse for. And existing sculpted hats have shown that it's possible to make a removable hat with a reasonably sized crown.

Cocoboloboy

05-02-2012, 09:44 PM

I actually like the HT hat too. I have no problem with the crown but I would have liked the brim to be a bit wider.

I agree. My custom's crown is too big due to the thickness of the felt used. Reduce it and you reduce the crown. Enough to make it look much better? I don't know but it's worth a shot.

haytil

05-04-2012, 05:55 PM

I'd be interested in a hat, but only for a decent, fair price, as this would be an accessory to my Hot Toys figure - and the figure is the showcase, not the hat.

No reason a hat should cost more than around $25 if we all order a bunch at once.

TheFiend

05-05-2012, 07:25 AM

^ That's even if we can get it off the ground. We can't find anyone to do it. I hope this doesn't suffer the same fate as the Terminator 1 Gargoyle sunglasses thread.

batfan08

05-05-2012, 06:45 PM

I'd love to see Coco take a shot at a proto for us. Would you help us, Coco?:monkey2

TheFiend

05-06-2012, 08:59 AM

^ Yeah, I'm with batfan.

Cocoboloboy

05-06-2012, 06:59 PM

If I had time I'd love to. Right now though, it's a no go. :(

batfan08

05-06-2012, 08:23 PM

Any chance you'd be able to at a later date?

Maglor

05-06-2012, 08:37 PM

Coco's a busy man. Step off his tip. :lecture

KingGrayskull

05-07-2012, 09:28 AM

What about WGP? i still think a sculpted hat would look great and they have already proven they can do things like these.

Maglor

05-07-2012, 09:30 AM

^^^Good call!

darkchylde80

05-07-2012, 10:49 AM

I've got my 89 Joker arriving tomorrow, so I'd be down for a reasonably priced hat :D

haytil

05-07-2012, 11:51 AM

Step off his tip. :lecture

:horror

Not sure if I want to know what this means...

TheFiend

05-07-2012, 03:34 PM

What about WGP? i still think a sculpted hat would look great and they have already proven they can do things like these.

^^^Good call!

Who wants to PM him?

Cocoboloboy

05-07-2012, 03:55 PM

Any chance you'd be able to at a later date?

I couldn't say for sure. Just too many irons in the fire at the moment.

Coco's a busy man. Step off his tip. :lecture

:lol Ouch!

KingGrayskull

05-07-2012, 04:22 PM

Who wants to PM him?

I will do tomorow. Still cleaning everything as I had a fire in my garden. :horror

batfan08

05-08-2012, 08:56 AM

I did get a PM back from Toria today, she's responsible for the custom Draper suit, and she said that she's busy at the moment, but is interested in the project. I've inquired about price, as I told her that a lot of you guys were interested depending on how much it would be, but we might just be making some headway with this project.

TheFiend

05-08-2012, 02:51 PM

I dunno batfan,sounds like she has a lot on her plate right now. I don't think we'll be seeing anything from her for a while...

KingGrayskull

05-08-2012, 03:31 PM

Who is Toria?

Maglor

05-08-2012, 05:33 PM

^^^Did you talk to WGP? :pray:

batfan08

05-08-2012, 05:34 PM

I dunno batfan,sounds like she has a lot on her plate right now. I don't think we'll be seeing anything from her for a while...

Well, mind you, I sent that message early on in the interest thread, just to see about people who might be interested in taking on the project. That being said, it seems like we're in for a wait, anyway, so it's nice to know that someone is at least interested.

TheFiend

05-10-2012, 03:08 PM

Bump. :(

________

batfan08

05-10-2012, 04:11 PM

Maglor

05-10-2012, 08:55 PM

Again, has anyone talked to WGP?

TheFiend

05-10-2012, 09:04 PM

How does this thing work? Do I just send PMs to everyone? What if I get more than one person who is interested in taking on the project? I don't know if I should go around sending more PM's if someone is already interested. As I said before, I only started this thread because noone else did, and I'm pretty new to the customs game.

I wish I could help you out with that but I've never done it before either. If we knew more customizers we could PM them.

Again, has anyone talked to WGP?

Is WGP the one's that did the Returns stuff? Do you have a link?

TheFiend

05-10-2012, 09:04 PM

Maybe we'll get more attention if we post in the regular customs section? :dunno

KingGrayskull

05-11-2012, 01:13 AM

I did send Sean a mail yesterday. He sounded pretty interested. To be honest I believe WGP is the way to go. A computer sculpted/printed head will be the best for accuracy and proportion. Maybe we can add the hat band with real cloth. Lets wait for Sean and Rick to post here. :)

KingGrayskull

05-11-2012, 01:14 AM

Is WGP the one's that did the Returns stuff? Do you have a link?

Yes they are the cool guys I still owe a Selina costume. :gah:

TheFiend

05-11-2012, 02:28 AM

S. Griffin

05-11-2012, 06:39 AM

...and how do they make sure it fits on the figure's head?

Maglor

05-11-2012, 07:02 AM

I don't get the whole computer sculpt thing. How does that help sculpt it compared to a real picture?

He means they sculpt it virtually in a 3D program. Then they have it "printed" in 1/6 scale.

TheFiend

05-15-2012, 05:18 PM

Bump. :(

_______

hhhaney1234

05-16-2012, 06:22 PM

working on a prototype for this currently

TheFiend

05-16-2012, 08:00 PM

You are?! Sweet. Looking forward to it,bud.

batfan08

05-16-2012, 08:35 PM

Looking forward to seeing it. :rock ...and also, I get my Jack Monday, can't wait!

TheFiend

05-16-2012, 09:09 PM

^Who did you order with? I don't know when I get mine.

TheFiend

05-16-2012, 09:53 PM

He means they sculpt it virtually in a 3D program. Then they have it "printed" in 1/6 scale.

But someone still has to physically sculpt it , right? I mean the print out is just a blue print. So, what, if you print something out in 1/6 form it's easier to sculpt it in 1/6 as opposed trying to do so with a bigger picture?

Maglor

05-16-2012, 09:57 PM

But someone still has to physicallt sculpt it , right?

Nope. No physical sculpt. Like I said it's a virtual sculpt. :lecture

It's made in a 3D program. The file of the virtual sculpt is sent to the 3D "printer" - the "print" is the actual head sculpt you stick on your figure. I assume the printer could produce them in any scale. But of course we are dealing with 1/6.

TheFiend

05-16-2012, 10:01 PM

Nope. No physical sculpt. Like I said it's a virtual sculpt. :lecture

It's made in a 3D program. The file of the virtual sculpt is sent to the 3D "printer" - the "print" is the actual head sculpt you stick on your figure. I assume the printer could produce them in any scale. But of course we are dealing with 1/6.

Holy ____!! That's amazing. Christ, I bet those heads are expensive,huh?

hhhaney1234

05-16-2012, 10:55 PM

here's my first stab at this. This is a prototype and few things i wanna throw out before all the criticism come:

I just used materials I already had laying around so clearly the color is not accurate and the paper i used was sturdy but not as sturdy as i would use in the actual product.

The sturdier paper will hold the shape of the crow better. The paper i used for this proto was getting a bit crumpled from my constant fitting and refitting the fabiric. But now that i know the process the final product would be much more "stiff"

Therefore the shape is some what lost in the process of putting this together. The ribbon on the hat isn't sew on just something i threw on real quick so its kind of sticks out of the side in the picture.

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww160/CaptianCrunch221/8ba72ccf.jpg

This close up photo is the Hat sitting properly , I didn't place it well in the distance picture which i took first

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww160/CaptianCrunch221/08f7ea22.jpg

haytil

05-17-2012, 01:38 AM

Nope. No physical sculpt. Like I said it's a virtual sculpt. :lecture

It's made in a 3D program. The file of the virtual sculpt is sent to the 3D "printer" - the "print" is the actual head sculpt you stick on your figure. I assume the printer could produce them in any scale. But of course we are dealing with 1/6.

I think they print a mold, not each individual copy of the sculpt.

batfan08

05-17-2012, 08:00 AM

^Who did you order with? I don't know when I get mine.

Sideshow; I had them hold my order to the second shipment because I didn't have the funds at the time(Just got hit with the other 89 figure at the time). Also, hhaney, it's a good start, but it's a bit on the thick side, and I think that it might be warping the shape of the hat?

hhhaney1234

05-17-2012, 08:13 AM

Yeah. I think anything made with fabric at this scale is going to look thick. I think if people want a screen accurate hat the mold is the way to go. I have the HT hat an i'm Perfectly happy with it

Kuat of Kuat

05-17-2012, 10:01 AM

The Hot Toys version could be worse. Just imagine if Kenner were still in the hat making business...

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss104/GreenGang/Indiana%20Jones/kennerindy.jpg

KingGrayskull

05-17-2012, 11:27 AM

:lol :lol :lol

Hhhaney: great attempt but as you already said, it is indeed a little too thick. Didnt someone mention how to get it thinner in this very thread? :dunno

Maglor

05-17-2012, 03:38 PM

Holy ____!! That's amazing. Christ, I bet those heads are expensive,huh?

Not bad actually.

I think they print a mold, not each individual copy of the sculpt.

Could be. All I know is that the one head I have from them (WGP) is nice and sharp.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/Show%20Your%20Shelves/P1140157.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/Show%20Your%20Shelves/P1140161.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/Show%20Your%20Shelves/P1140158.jpg

TheFiend

05-17-2012, 07:42 PM

That figure is awesome, Maglor.

S. Griffin

05-17-2012, 07:50 PM

I think I'd prefer a sculpted or printed hat.

TheFiend

05-17-2012, 07:58 PM

^ Same here. I think there has been great success with a sculpted hat that looks like a real fabric hat.

Have we decided everyone? Who wants sculpted and who wants fabric?

Maglor

05-17-2012, 08:06 PM

I think I'd prefer a sculpted or printed hat.

Yep.

Was looking closer at the HT hat. It seems to be made of a thin clear plastic with the "felt" kind of stuck to it. Almost as if the plastic had been sticky and the purple particles were blown onto it. Go check it out on your hats.

You can see right through it:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/IMG_6814.jpg

The inside of the crown is obviously clear, but there are spots on the underside of mine where the "felt" was sprayed on a little light and you can make out the clear plastic underneath:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/IMG_6818-1.jpg

Seems like a pretty good method. I mean the results in terms of texture are fantastic. It would be awesome if someone could replicate this exact technique with a correct sized brim.

toylion

05-17-2012, 08:10 PM

Yep.

Was looking closer at the HT hat. It seems to be made of a thin clear plastic with the "felt" kind of stuck to it. Almost as if the plastic had been sticky and the purple particles were blown onto it. Go check it out on your hats.

You can see right through it:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/IMG_6814.jpg

The inside of the crown is obviously clear, but there are spots on the underside of mine where the "felt" was sprayed on a little light and you can make out the clear plastic underneath:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/IMG_6818-1.jpg

Seems like a pretty good method. I mean the results in terms of texture are fantastic. It would be awesome if someone could replicate this exact technique with a correct sized brim.

That's called flocking. Seen it done for upholstery on model cars.

Maglor

05-17-2012, 08:14 PM

Yeah, flocking... I knew that. Well someone get on it! :lecture :lol

toylion

05-17-2012, 08:18 PM

Yeah, flocking... I knew that. Well someone get on it! :lecture :lol

Not sure about the color, but they have other purples.
http://www.craftflocking.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=16&=SID

Maglor

05-17-2012, 08:22 PM

Looks damn close to me.

TheFiend

05-17-2012, 10:01 PM

Hmm, were on to something here. But it has to be done right. You don't want purple particles falling off everywhere.

jacksparrow900

05-19-2012, 06:57 AM

theirs two things wrong with the hat. the brim has to be a smidge wider and the ribbon on the hat needs to be a smidge higher.

batfan08

05-19-2012, 10:17 AM

Looks damn close to me.

For the most part, the HT hat seems pretty nice. I'm curious if there is a way to reverse-engineer the flocking. If someone could remove that flocked stuff somehow, then all they would have to do is use the pre-existing Hot Toys hat, sculpt a wider brim, cast it, re-flock the copies, and done.

Maglor

05-19-2012, 10:51 AM

For the most part, the HT hat seems pretty nice. I'm curious if there is a way to reverse-engineer the flocking. If someone could remove that flocked stuff somehow, then all they would have to do is use the pre-existing Hot Toys hat, sculpt a wider brim, cast it, re-flock the copies, and done.

:goodpost:

Rorywan

05-20-2012, 06:20 AM

Flocking is not an easy process. I cannot imagine it could be done on a small order?

batfan08

05-20-2012, 06:52 AM

Where've you been all this time, Rory?

KingGrayskull

05-20-2012, 11:29 AM

Flocking is not that hard. I have done it with a MOTU Beastman. The ebay stuff is pretty good.

hhhaney1234

05-20-2012, 12:28 PM

There are a lot of people who reflock vintage gi joe heads, so I bet if you find one on the eBay sellers who reflock gi joe heads, you could probably work out a deal with them to do hats

batfan08

05-20-2012, 12:29 PM

Flocking is not that hard. I have done it with a MOTU Beastman. The ebay stuff is pretty good.

Could you do it for us? :monkey1

S. Griffin

05-20-2012, 12:57 PM

I'd be okay with just paint.

S. Griffin

05-20-2012, 02:20 PM

Well, so long as there's an actual ribbon for the band, that is.

batfan08

05-20-2012, 03:15 PM

If we can get it flocked, why not get it flocked? What the flock!?! It doesn't make any flocking sense to do everything right and not have it flocked. :lol

S. Griffin

05-20-2012, 03:25 PM

Not a fan of flocking in this instance. Too fuzzy for scale IMO. Then again, I certainly wouldn't turn my nose to a more accurate and well done hat that was flocked.

Maglor

05-20-2012, 04:00 PM

Not a fan of flocking in this instance. Too fuzzy for scale IMO. Then again, I certainly wouldn't turn my nose to a more accurate and well done hat that was flocked.

What about the flocking on the Hot Toys hat? :huh

S. Griffin

05-20-2012, 04:28 PM

I don't understand your question, Mags?

Maglor

05-20-2012, 05:02 PM

Apparently the Hot Toys had is treated with flocking:

Yep.

Was looking closer at the HT hat. It seems to be made of a thin clear plastic with the "felt" kind of stuck to it. Almost as if the plastic had been sticky and the purple particles were blown onto it. Go check it out on your hats.

You can see right through it:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/IMG_6814.jpg

The inside of the crown is obviously clear, but there are spots on the underside of mine where the "felt" was sprayed on a little light and you can make out the clear plastic underneath:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/IMG_6818-1.jpg

Seems like a pretty good method. I mean the results in terms of texture are fantastic. It would be awesome if someone could replicate this exact technique with a correct sized brim.

That's called flocking. Seen it done for upholstery on model cars.

Yeah, flocking... I knew that. Well someone get on it! :lecture :lol

Not sure about the color, but they have other purples.
http://www.craftflocking.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=16&=SID

batfan08

05-20-2012, 07:05 PM

Sí, Señor. The Hot Toys hat is flocked. On the bright side, it seems to be made well enough that it will be a good placeholder until a more accurate hat is made. My Joker arrives tomorrow. I'm so pumped!!!

Maglor

05-20-2012, 09:17 PM

Now that I've bent the front edge of the HT hat down, I'm liking it more.

Maglor

05-20-2012, 09:34 PM

Out of the box, the hat looks kinda like this:

http://www.eyeonlifemag.com/storage/boater_MED.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=12949189 45356

Adding a bend to the front makes it a little more like this:

http://images.hats.com/images/products/1_136853_FS_BLK.jpg

There's no way to make the brim wider, but the bend really does help a lot.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/maglorsregret/Show%20Your%20Shelves/IMG_6862crop.jpg

Gipetto0812

05-20-2012, 10:17 PM

^that's a great pic Mag. that actually makes me wish i had the $$$ to get it

Nope. No physical sculpt. Like I said it's a virtual sculpt. :lecture

It's made in a 3D program. The file of the virtual sculpt is sent to the 3D "printer" - the "print" is the actual head sculpt you stick on your figure. I assume the printer could produce them in any scale. But of course we are dealing with 1/6.

nope...see below :wink1:

Holy ____!! That's amazing. Christ, I bet those heads are expensive,huh?

3D Printing is expensive. we have a 3D printer in the architecture workshop at school. you pay per cubic inch of the power that is used for what is being printer. we normally try to make our prints as hollow as possible to reduce cost

I think they print a mold, not each individual copy of the sculpt.

you print the actual sculpt then go through normal molding processes to make the mold that will eventually be used to make the casts just like everyone else does for their sculpts done by hand/clay/wax/ etc.

Not bad actually.

Could be. All I know is that the one head I have from them (WGP) is nice and sharp.

see above :wink1:

KingGrayskull

05-21-2012, 02:14 AM

Could you do it for us? :monkey1

No. Really dont have the time. But I will direct you guys in tthe right direction when needed. Whats up with WGP? Did they post here yet?

hhhaney1234

05-21-2012, 10:30 PM

I just Won a Second Sculpt off of ebay and want to start putting together a Museum Joker. I'm going to make a beret would anyone be interested in a beret as well? as you can see with my attempt at this hat I can sew well and i think this beret since its all fabric will be a piece of cake for me...

Look at these fabrics if you are interested and lmk which you think matches the color the best. I am color blind so regardless i would like your guys opinion even if i only make it for myself.

Heres the Reference Photo:
http://screenmusings.org/Batman/pages/Btmn_0561.htm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silk-DUPIONI-Fabric-ROYAL-PURPLE-fat-quarter-18-x22-/380440965567?pt=US_Fabric&hash=item58940c71bf#ht_580wt_655

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-Silk-Satin-Charmeuse-Fabric-Purple-Per-Yard-/380439210984?pt=US_Fabric&hash=item5893f1abe8#ht_2867wt_965

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLID-SATIN-FABRIC-PURPLE-ONLY-4-79-YARD-SOLD-BTY-POLYESTER-SILK-/221006462509?pt=US_Fabric&hash=item337502fe2d#ht_3180wt_882

I also plan to make the tie in this scene, can anyone tell me what color and material they think its made of?

To me it looks green? or a different shade of purple? and a satin or silk as well but with less sheen

S. Griffin

05-22-2012, 08:46 PM

The tie from the museum is not purple. It's basically the same turquoise/ teal color as the waistcoat. In some shots it appears darker, but that might just be lighting...or it really is just a shade or so darker. No idea what material it's made of, but I would think a silky material with less sheen than satin would be appropriate.

TheFiend

05-28-2012, 10:08 PM

Has this thread met the fate I thought it would?

Maglor

05-29-2012, 07:27 AM

Seems like we might be getting used to the stock hat... What are your thoughts?

S. Griffin

05-29-2012, 11:22 AM

I can live with it, but only if I have to.

TheFiend

05-30-2012, 04:46 PM

Seems like we might be getting used to the stock hat... What are your thoughts?

I gotta admit I'm not pushing for the custom like I once was, so, yeah, I guess I am getting used to it.That's not to say I wouldn't interested in buying one if something popped up.Hey, and who know, maybe if/when someone does make a custom it will show us how much we really do want it.

Maglor

05-30-2012, 06:18 PM

Indeed. Have you tried bending the brim in the front a bit? That's what sold me on the stock hat more than anything.

TheFiend

05-30-2012, 10:22 PM

No, I haven't done that yet. I'm still deciding if I want to but I do like the way others look.

TheFiend

06-14-2012, 04:03 PM

Love the new custom hat.

S. Griffin

06-14-2012, 08:30 PM

Love the new custom hat.
What new custom hat?

TheFiend

06-14-2012, 08:49 PM

:lol:lol:lol

batfan08

06-16-2012, 11:17 AM

Gipetto0812

06-16-2012, 11:44 AM

Maybe a poll would've helped and maybe of this was in the Customs Works section. I don't think there are many ppl who visit the DC Customs section

a-dev

06-16-2012, 11:53 AM

I think that this thread was sorely lacking in organization, and it seems like only a few people were actually interested. Everybody wanted an interest thread started, so I gave them one; I never said it'd go anywhere. :lol

That reminds me of the line in TDK 'I told you my compound would take you places, I never said they'd be places you wanted to go'

TheFiend

06-16-2012, 07:10 PM

Maybe a poll would've helped and maybe of this was in the Customs Works section. I don't think there are many ppl who visit the DC Customs section

This might be a good idea batfan. Everyone who could do it seemed busy. I thought there were like two people that said they would take a crack at it. I thought sueworld was one and I can't remember who else. Never heard anything again.

TheFiend

08-13-2012, 12:46 AM

So........

Maglor

08-13-2012, 08:29 AM

I like the hat now. :chase

TheFiend

08-15-2012, 08:46 PM

Me too. :chase

batfan08

08-16-2012, 12:58 PM

No more custom thread, I should probably delete.

...unless you want to keep your posts.

TheFiend

08-16-2012, 06:11 PM

Didn't someone say they were going to give it a shot. Someone besides hhaney? Could have swore it. I mean, if I had to live with what I have I wouldn't lose any sleep but if someone did it I'd be open to buy if it looked good. May as well keep it up. You never know when someone may pop in with something...if ever.