Hot Toys getting kinda stale?

[tinister]

It seems like they're stuck on Iron Man/Avengers, Terminator, and Batman. Don't get me wrong; I love my HT Iron Man figures and Batman figures. Keaton version is awesome. I don't have any Terminator figures, but I think HT did most of them pretty well.

But if you visit the "Hot Toys Community" and "Hot Toys Collectors" FB pages - that's all everyone's talking about.

They better be careful - Enterbay is diversifying - and also producing IM, Terminator, and Batman now. Where are the new lines HT? Other than Star Wars.

[medicomsucks]

Not really.

[tinister]

What other lines besides the ones mentioned?

[Lejuan]

SSF member Jack Bauer said it over 6 months' ago here (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99362), but at that stage I still thought HT had enough in the works outside of the Avengers/IM/Batman/Predator to keep me interested. I was wrong. Hot Toys is all yawn these days as far as my interests go.

[tinister]

I forgot to include the Predator line in my list. That's getting done to death too.

[Raymond Ferraro]

They better be careful - Enterbay is diversifying - and also producing IM, Terminator, and Batman now. Where are the new lines HT? Other than Star Wars.

Enterbay has my wild card vote at the moment. They have my eyebrows peaked high...

But the truth is is that they are only an underdog because hot toys is king, they need to go there because they don't dominate the mass market like hot toys does.

Avengers is clearly going to be an absolute turd, but a turd that had dollar signs all over it the second iron man was a hit. It's just a big money generating machine and hot toys is along for the ride. Enterbay can have a piece of the pie in some regards like with batman, but if they are smart they will secure the right customers in the rest of the market.

Scarface and Elvis have built in fan bases and huge marketing potential but there is nothing of the moment when it comes to them. Leon was a bit more of a head scratcher but of enterbay continues to seek out these corner pockets while hot toys is busy playing in the big arenas both companies can be ultra successful and at the end of the day,us the consumer are the ones who win!

[Grosby]

They better be careful - Enterbay is diversifying - and also producing IM, Terminator, and Batman now. Where are the new lines HT? Other than Star Wars.

What must they be careful of?

It's rare these days that I see anything from HT that interests me personally, but I'm certain that what they are releasing is doing well for them as a company. While their output may not interest me, I don't think that means they're going to face trouble any time soon. They may not have the 'prestige' anymore or be the 'fan favourite' but I don't think that sort of thing is going to ruin them financially or anything like that.

The only negative I can really envision is that their sculptors/crew get bored with the limited liscences and go elsewhere. Other than that, what really do they have to fear?

[NewGoblin23]

SSF member Jack Bauer said it over 6 months' ago here (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99362), but at that stage I still thought HT had enough in the works outside of the Avengers/IM/Batman/Predator to keep me interested. I was wrong. Hot Toys is all yawn these days as far as my interests go.

I feel like the increase in price and the releasing of too many figures has made a lot of people just not care. Also, the releasing of characters that people didn't want in the first place but Hot Toys still felt they should make them. I got rid of most of my HT figures and just kept one or two, pretty much done with HT

[a-dev]

They never finished the Terminator lines. They left out some really obvious potential figures that are very much in demand by hardcore and casual fans alike. That HT are going back to that is a good thing. The other stuff is stuff that happens to be very current, of course they're going to make Avengers figures. 'WTF' would abound if they didn't pick up that license.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

It seems like they're stuck on Iron Man/Avengers, Terminator, and Batman. Don't get me wrong; I love my HT Iron Man figures and Batman figures. Keaton version is awesome. I don't have any Terminator figures, but I think HT did most of them pretty well.

But if you visit the "Hot Toys Community" and "Hot Toys Collectors" FB pages - that's all everyone's talking about.

They better be careful - Enterbay is diversifying - and also producing IM, Terminator, and Batman now. Where are the new lines HT? Other than Star Wars.

Hot Toys are agrophobic, they're afraid to stray from their comfort zone, they just don't take any real risks to make something succesful anymore, they'll make one or two new characters from a new line, stop there disappoint plenty of hopeful customers and go back to remaking the same characters from the same franchises for the same customers again, it's boring and stagnant.

I'll get my delayed orders from last year and one or two original figures a year if they make that many and take the bulk of my 1/6 hobbyism to other companies.

Mr. Ecko said it best...

http://i863.photobucket.com/albums/ab191/mikeecko1980/green-recycle-symbol-hiLOL.png


They never finished the Terminator lines. They left out some really obvious potential figures that are very much in demand by hardcore and casual fans alike.

While they didn't do all the characters, there's no shortage of figures from that franchise

[Raymond Ferraro]

I feel like the increase in price and the releasing of too many figures has made a lot of people just not care. Also, the releasing of characters that people didn't want in the first place but Hot Toys still felt they should make them. I got rid of most of my HT figures and just kept one or two, pretty much done with HT

I dont care what they make and don't collect for collectibility's sake. I buy for one thing only, to own rhe coolest version of my favorite character, if hot toys makes it im all over it. I just don't frankly care about dropping 200 bucks on a preorder of a Jeremy renner figure from a movie that will be a financial hit but will absolutely suck. It's got mass market watered down crap stink all over it. Hell they are a business let them make their dough, I would!

I'll skip out on the avemgers crap and pick myself a much cooler and classier item for my collection like the King! Bring on mr. Presley, and I'll be busy in the customs section. Then hot Toys will show something I actually want like reeves superman or Keaton batman, hell yeah I'll pick that up too.

Buy what you like, sell what you don't want anymore and avoid what you will never want.

[attom44]

I feel like the increase in price and the releasing of too many figures has made a lot of people just not care. Also, the releasing of characters that people didn't want in the first place but Hot Toys still felt they should make them. I got rid of most of my HT figures and just kept one or two, pretty much done with HT

Did you keep the 'new goblin"...???

[Raymond Ferraro]

Why would hot toys stray From their comfort zone? It's business as usual baby... You take risks until it pays off and then you coast. And then someone else comes along and shake things up and make you scared and then you reinvent yourself again. The big business needs an underdog as much as the underdog needs to try and inch above someone else. At the end of the day the consumer wins.

[Kibishii]

I think Hot Toys suffers from the same problem that 90's comics suffered from: oversaturation & over promising. They got popular really fast which led to over production of certain figures, rereleases, and promising and never releasing WAY too many lines. This reminds me of Image's inconsistency with virtually every comic line.

Do I still like Hot Toys? Absolutely and I will still collect them. However, Iron Monger is the only figure that I have preordered because I am confident that I can get Nick Fury, Red Skull and (eventually) Loki for less once they are released.

[OSCORP]

Yup, a figure like a Rocky DX is long overdue. General Zod from Superman, how about a Marty Mcfly figure? So many things to work with. Seems like they're just going with the flavor of the month things ATM.

But at least were getting some Spider-Man figures now, and Star Wars looks promising.

Hard for me to be too critical as i think they're the best 1/6 company. But the saturation of Iron Man and Batman are almost sickening when you think about what they could be putting out.

[ironwez20]

The only problem I have is them constantly making all those ironmen it's ridiculous IMO.

[Lejuan]

I feel like the increase in price and the releasing of too many figures has made a lot of people just not care.

I didn't think I cared about HT ramping up the edition size at first. But I've realised I am a snob. I need a bit of exclusivity about my toys I've found. Also, the ramping up of the ES isn't matched by a lowering of the MSRP. Quite the opposite. It's like, "hey, we've made these things less exclusive and more expensive - thanks for continuing to buy our over-priced, mass-produced products suckers!"

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

If Hot Toys want to make another ten+ iron mans or batmans i wouldn't begrudge them to do so as long as new franchises and characters were also being made in a good enough quantity, as it is, its mostly one or two new franchise character and then straight back to the same ones theyve already done

So many licenses have been left without the best or even main characters made at all, which is too big a shame for the fans and variety in their catalog

I didn't think I cared about HT ramping up the edition size at first. But I've realised I am a snob. I need a bit of exclusivity about my toys I've found. Also, the ramping up of the ES isn't matched by a lowering of the MSRP. Quite the opposite. It's like, "hey, we've made these things less exclusive and more expensive - thanks for continuing to buy our over-priced, mass-produced products suckers!"

:goodpost:

I'm not too big into ES, but a collectible has to feel unique and exclusive otherwise it's just another product.

Figures used to be one-of-kind and limited, now they are one of many versions and readily available :(

[Raymond Ferraro]

The comment about the 90s comics is interesting... Things do have a way of peaking. I'm almost certain that hot toys will level off when demand falls. But this market just wants the same thing. We either used to see it in 7 inch figures or we saw it in statues, we want the coolest version of something like a Chris reeve superman. Something to captivate our adult mind and taste level in a way that a small hunk of blue plastic was able to do while our 5 year old imagination filled in the gap.

Eventually something cooler will exist. It's not going to be quarter scale figures though I'll tell you that much!

[COSMOSTARX]

My interest for the Suckerpunch stuff is long dead. They keep pushing it.

[Hydeous]

I hope HT don't follow McFarlane toys downfall with all these crazy silly things and milk color ways exclusives.

[Raymond Ferraro]

My interest for the Suckerpunch stuff is long dead. They keep pushing it.

That's the biggest risk hot toys is running now, if you have to pick the flavor of the month get it out That month, pretty much anyone's interest in sucker punch had an expiration date that started about a month before it was released until a month after it came out on DVD.

Otherwise it's long and forgotten, same with avatar,

iMO that's the only real ball HT has been dropping, otherwise who can fault them for going with what makes money.

Sure they announced green lantern and xmen first class but they were such mega flops who can blame them for hoping everyone would forget they even announced it.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

My interest for the Suckerpunch stuff is long dead. They keep pushing it.

Check out the PF, looks awesome :yess:

@Raymond X-men First Class wasn't a flop, it did better than they expected.

_________

Notice how it's 90% new characters getting delayed, while figures of characters that have been made previously arrive on-time

[transhi100]

I just don't frankly care about dropping 200 bucks on a preorder of a Jeremy renner figure from a movie that will be a financial hit but will absolutely suck. It's got mass market watered down crap stink all over it. Hell they are a business let them make their dough, I would!

Have you seen the movie? Cuz you seem pretty certain it's going to be terrible. All the reports I've seen from normal people to critics are saying this is a great movie.

The Hawkeye figure does seem a bit boring, as does Nick Fury. Hulk should be good. I am hoping we don't get multiple versions of Avenger figures

[Raymond Ferraro]

Have you seen the movie? Cuz you seem pretty certain it's going to be terrible. All the reports I've seen from normal people to critics are saying this is a great movie.

The Hawkeye figure does seem a bit boring, as does Nick Fury. Hulk should be good. I am hoping we don't get multiple versions of Avenger figures

I'm going to be totally transparent and admit I didn't even think to look at early reviews until your comment. I was just unable to see how it was remotely possible it be anything other than an abomination by the concept and previews alone. You are right the reviews are strong.

I was always going to see it. But I'll still move forward with healty skepticism and cautious optimism,

Thor of all things should have had me believe it could be at least half decent. Thor was half decent. Cap was decent, iron man was great and the rest were awful. That's my personal opinion of the marvel studios films this far.

I know it's not marvel studios but for the record First Class is in my favorite top 5 superhero flicks of all time.

[Lejuan]

The movie could kick *** and I'd still be meh about the buying the figures of the characters. Apart from Iron Man, the new suits do nothing for me - I prefer the classic renditions, ie Superman, Spiderman and, somehow, Nolan batman makes my list over Burton's batman. The only superhero figure I can see myself getting excited about is Hulk, but even then I'm not sure how I'll feel about seeing a figure that big and that green with exposed joints.

*yawn. Wake me up when we get a figure from a classic movie. Or even another MIS figure. Anything but another stoopid superhero.

[Blade3327]

If you ask me, Hot Toys needs to realize that there is no spoon (hintity, hint, hint).

[Raymond Ferraro]

*yawn. Wake me up when we get a figure from a classic movie. Or even another MIS figure. Anything but another stoopid superhero.

Yeah I totally agree! That's why I've been more excited for something like Elvis than the Burtan bat,an stuff. And inLOVED that movie as a kid and am so stoked they made them but still.

Forget about the dark knight rises. I'm so sick over the hype and it has not even started yet.

[gagaliya]

I hope HT don't follow McFarlane toys downfall with all these crazy silly things and milk color ways exclusives.

Too late, already happened. They went from a respected highend collectible brand to mcfarlane junk with higher prices & better quality.

[tinister]

I don't argue that keeping to a license that has made them money is good business. But I also think they need to do more seeding for the next year or so when Avengers and Dark Knight Rises hype dies down.

Solely sticking to the obviously popular license at the moment is short sighted in my opinion.

[batfan08]

I think it could get stale, depending on what you're into. Me, I'm a Batman fan (if you couldn't tell already), so I'm pretty excited, considering that they're doing stuff from 89, Returns, TDKR, and, possibly my favorite, Arkham City. I also admire that Enterbay and Hot Toys are doing the 1/4 scale stuff, as it combines the best of both worlds, so to speak. For something like The Avengers, it's all or nothing. While I think that the characters are cool on their own, I think that things begin to get impressive when they're all together, other than that, you can count me out.

[buzzybean]

They should do JAWS. I'm tired of the superhero movie theme. The movies aren't even that great...Spider-Man 3, Iron Man 2, meh.

BB

[tinister]

I agree with you Buzzybean. "Jaws" would be awesome. I think a line of older classics like that would have a buying fan base.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I don't argue that keeping to a license that has made them money is good business. But I also think they need to do more seeding for the next year or so when Avengers and Dark Knight Rises hype dies down.

Solely sticking to the obviously popular license at the moment is short sighted in my opinion.

:goodpost: :exactly:

It's a short-term gain at long-term expense IMO

They should do JAWS. I'm tired of the superhero movie theme. The movies aren't even that great...Spider-Man 3, Iron Man 2, meh.

BB

I'd love some licenses that only need one figure from them...

Escape from New York
Big Trouble in Little China
The Running Man
The Thing
Beverly Hills Cop
Die Hard
Kickboxer


They've done Indy and Supes

[Butters]

Stale? Maybe for some of you,... but it's not uncommon for people to loose interest in something and move on to other things that do interest them after a while. You only have to go on youtube to see all the people that are genuinely over the moon about HT offerings, though. I say thank God for HT innovations and style. Where would the 1/6 world be without them?

http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded=w&search_type=videos&uni=3&search_query=hot+toys

http://youtu.be/aPYW7HlEFDo

[Vic Veins]

Why we havent seen any 1/6 Matrix pieces yet?

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Why we havent seen any 1/6 Matrix pieces yet?

Batman, Iron Man & Predator :lecture

[King Darkness]

Just realized I don't have any Hot Toys figures on pre order. First time in a few years.

[tinister]

The only problem I have is them constantly making all those ironmen it's ridiculous IMO.

I have every Iron Man figure up to VI. Started getting burnt out on IM when they announced MII Unleashed. Lost more interest when they started announcing what looked like just color variations of VI. Then lost complete interest when I saw MI V2.

Love Iron Man - and the Iron Monger looks pretty cool - but enough already.

[tinister]

Just realized I don't have any Hot Toys figures on pre order. First time in a few years.

I only have 89 Joker left on my list.

[tinister]

:I'd love some licenses that only need one figure from them...

Escape from New York
Big Trouble in Little China
The Running Man
The Thing
Beverly Hills Cop
Die Hard
Kickboxer


They've done Indy and Supes

I'd kill for a couple figures from Lynch's "Dune". And going way back - some figures from:
"Barbarella"
"Flash Gordon" 80's movie
"2001: A Space Odyssey"
"

[King Darkness]

Joker was my last HT on order, he'll be here Tuesday. Then, nothing.

[tinister]

Stale? Maybe for some of you,... but it's not uncommon for people to loose interest in something and move on to other things that do interest them after a while. You only have to go on youtube to see all the people that are genuinely over the moon about HT offerings, though. I say thank God for HT innovations and style. Where would the 1/6 world be without them?

http://www.youtube.com/results?uploaded=w&search_type=videos&uni=3&search_query=hot+toys

http://youtu.be/aPYW7HlEFDo

Again. I'm not arguing that HT shouldn't make Bats items. I myself just got 89 Bats and think it is brilliant. And I have Joker on pre-order. But unless you are a Bats, Predator, Avengers, or Terminator fan - there really isn't much else.

[Lejuan]

And going way back - some figures from:
"Barbarella"
"Flash Gordon" 80's movie
"2001: A Space Odyssey"
"

Been thinking about getting this one:

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2001-A-Space-Odyssey-Monolith-Action-Figure.jpg

[tinister]

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl LOL!

The back side is a Hand in Carbonite PF.

[Grosby]

Again. I'm not arguing that HT shouldn't make Bats items. I myself just got 89 Bats and think it is brilliant. And I have Joker on pre-order. But unless you are a Bats, Predator, Avengers, or Terminator fan - there really isn't much else.

But HT isn't the only 1/6 manufacturer. They might be your favourite, you might like their products best, but there are others out there. It's crazy then to insist that HT tackle every license. If they're wrong for not taking on your preferred licenses, what does that make every other 1/6 maker out there?

And some of the licenses thrown out here are just crazy for HT (but probably not crazy for other companies). It seems to me extremely unlikely HT would ever do Barbarella or Beverly Hills Cop, for example.

[tinister]

But HT isn't the only 1/6 manufacturer. They might be your favourite, you might like their products best, but there are others out there. It's crazy then to insist that HT tackle every license. If they're wrong for not taking on your preferred licenses, what does that make every other 1/6 maker out there?

And some of the licenses thrown out here are just crazy for HT (but probably not crazy for other companies). It seems to me extremely unlikely HT would ever do Barbarella or Beverly Hills Cop, for example.

Not suggesting they get every license out there - of course. And not suggesting they only get licenses I like :rotfl

[rivera2171]

Why we havent seen any 1/6 Matrix pieces yet?

Exactly what I was thinking. :lecture
I'm still waiting for my 1/16 scale APU to go with my Sentinel.:impatient:

[rivera2171]

Been thinking about getting this one:

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2001-A-Space-Odyssey-Monolith-Action-Figure.jpg

I got 2 of these. They're great!

[OSCORP]

Joker was my last HT on order, he'll be here Tuesday. Then, nothing.



No luke????

[Minimodel]

They ve said they re making Bruce Willis and they ve hinted at Xavier in the wheelchair.Let them pile up the cash from this years great releases at the cinema-probably the best year for films that I can remember-and use it for development.And next year maybe go back to licences that are nt so much in the public eye but that we,none the less,enjoy.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I have every Iron Man figure up to VI. Started getting burnt out on IM when they announced MII Unleashed. Lost more interest when they started announcing what looked like just color variations of VI. Then lost complete interest when I saw MI V2.

Love Iron Man - and the Iron Monger looks pretty cool - but enough already.

Same here, i've got four iron man figures and just got bored of them, cos they never stopped and moved onto to newer projects

Again. I'm not arguing that HT shouldn't make Bats items. I myself just got 89 Bats and think it is brilliant. And I have Joker on pre-order. But unless you are a Bats, Predator, Avengers, or Terminator fan - there really isn't much else.

:exactly: slim pickins :dunno

But HT isn't the only 1/6 manufacturer. They might be your favourite, you might like their products best, but there are others out there. It's crazy then to insist that HT tackle every license. If they're wrong for not taking on your preferred licenses, what does that make every other 1/6 maker out there?

Yeah, but insisting they make figures from the licenses they do have rather than repeating the same bunch of licenses is not unreasonable. They have a big catalog of licenses and tackle hardly any chaacters from them in favour of the same ones over and over, boring and stale :lecture

[RyanSD]

Let's see, in the past year we've had or seen;

marvel U
predator
terminator
avengers
Star Wars
spider-man
avatar
sucker punch
resident evil
superman
batman
sweeney todd
potc
bruce lee
Indy
Tron
Plattoon
Metal Gear

Yep, seems pretty stale to me. Of course they're going to be making tons of Avengers and Batman stuff, its their big money maker. So they go heavy with the Terminator stuff when a new movie comes out, and make one-off characters like Leonidas, Perseus, etc. Its not like this is new for them. They're making plenty of things from plenty of licenses. Its just some feel that all they've been making is Batman and Iron Man, which isn't true at all. The big licenses will always get more releases, and the smaller niche licenses get 1 or 2 releases at most.

My only complaint is they've been releasing too much stuff in a short period of time, and over producing it too. Most of their releases in the past 6 months are still available from SS and other retailers.

[Kuzeh]

I think they are caught up in the "what's popular" trend now...
which is unfortunate as I love when the do odd-ball figures like Mars Attacks, POTA or Sucker Punch...
They should definitely do more obscure stuff... and space out the mainstream stuff a little more...

With that said, I have Sam Flynn with Bike, Joker, Black Spidey and Jack Sully on pre-order!
:rock!

[ShadowX81]

Im hoping things change next year after the whole Superhero movie overload is over. If you think about it, this is really the last year for half a dozen superhero movies every summer, with the Nolan batman films being over with, an atleast a couple years until the next spiderman and avengers hero movies. Im hoping that the vaccum created by the lack of obvious licences gives them a chance to branch out a bit.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

@RyanSd most of those figures are licenses/characters that have been done multiple times already, hence stale. They've got a few new ones but they've been delayed or stopped after two figures :slap

[Animal Mother.]

Im hoping things change next year after the whole Superhero movie overload is over. If you think about it, this is really the last year for half a dozen superhero movies every summer, with the Nolan batman films being over with, an atleast a couple years until the next spiderman and avengers hero movies. Im hoping that the vaccum created by the lack of obvious licences gives them a chance to branch out a bit.

I think next year is Thor 2 and Iron Man 3.

[King Darkness]

No luke????


Nah, I'm on the fence about it. I want to see in hand pix first.

[Fremen]

I do believe the Joker is my last HT figure on order as well. It too has been many years since I've had no HT figures on order.

I do want to get the Luke though. I just don't feel like I need to pre order these anymore and will pick them up if I feel like it when they come out.

[persuazion]

The only thing I don't like is when they keep pushing back releases like Tron's Sam Flynn and Sucker Punch but yet release more Predator and Iron Man figures in the meantime....

[OSA]

Why change a winning formula! :p:p

Hopefully after the Avengers we can see HT move onto other projects.

Good thing there's Enterbay other than that no other decent 1/6 companies which focuses on films or games.

[Sachiel]

Hopefully after the Avengers we can see HT move onto other projects.


Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. :banana

[OSA]

Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. :banana

Too right!:hi5:

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

The only thing I don't like is when they keep pushing back releases like Tron's Sam Flynn and Sucker Punch but yet release more Predator and Iron Man figures in the meantime....

:exactly:

It'll be almost a year delay for the Lightcycle :slap :mad:

[tinister]

:exactly:

It'll be almost a year delay for the Lightcycle :slap :mad:

I waited and waited for the Lightcycle. Finally cancelled my pre-order to get the 89 Bats/Joker instead.

And I think they just recently released a pic of it and Sam Flynn looks even less like Sam Flynn than in the prototype pics :slap

[tinister]

Im hoping things change next year after the whole Superhero movie overload is over. If you think about it, this is really the last year for half a dozen superhero movies every summer, with the Nolan batman films being over with, an atleast a couple years until the next spiderman and avengers hero movies. Im hoping that the vaccum created by the lack of obvious licences gives them a chance to branch out a bit.

That's what I mean. They need to plant some nice non-superhero seeds now so that there are nice buds once the Avengers hype goes away.

[kajobaldisimo]

i think Hot Toys will do what they want to do and is still good at what they do but i can understand where these 'disappointed' feelings come from.

a company that excited me constantly for some time is not delivering the same kick as before, but i can't really blame the drug and the dealer for my addiction.

my personal solution as a customer is to buy less toys and spend more on vacations. for now.

but i'll be back when that p2 is in stock.

[mazda-rx7]

I have not bought any hot toys for the past 6 months. My only wants will be the hulk. I'm saving for that big green monster. I started with the toy biz hulk. I might end it with the hot toys hulk.

[T.bowen]

i had a thread simila to this one not long ago and got shut down in the first day??? maybe even the admin agree now

[Lejuan]

i had a thread simila to this one not long ago and got shut down in the first day??? maybe even the admin agree now

I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been either closed or merged with any one of a number of 'Hot Toys sucks' threads tbh.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I think they just recently released a pic of it and Sam Flynn looks even less like Sam Flynn than in the prototype pics :slap

That pic was so tiny you couldn't even tell who the person was though

[damagecase]

I got into HT because of the preds and now I may get out of HT because of them. Lol. I liked them better as kits honestly. And all the comic/movie stuff are from franchises I can barely approve of. Hollywood is bankrupt and now they're feeding on some of the characters I hold near and dear to my heart. The first Spiderman franchise ended horribly imo. Hopefully the next go around will be better but I feel like they may butcher yet another of my personal favorite villans. Both Hulks were weak though Ang Lees version at least had some heart, though poorly executed. Capt America is just blahhhh. Instead of making a black Nick Fury they should have made Steve Rogers black. At least, if your gonna take liberties, make sure they're worth taking and ad something to the story worth having. Wolverine butchered Deadpool and to a lesser extent Victor Creed. Although I must say Liev Schrieber did fantastic with what he had to work with. And X-men thought it fitting to kill half of the franchises main characters after 3 films. I have no real complaints about Thor and Iron man though. Nolan's Bats is good and the most worthwhile of any comic movie, followed closely by the Blade and Punisher movies, which HT have barely touched I might add.

Anyway, long story short, HT is getting stale but only because they continue to go after recent licenses, which is the exact opposite of what I thought three years ago. Lol. BTW, speaking of recent, whens the next Predator movie coming out? Been a while and I think the franchise has a couple pints of blood more the dorks in hollywood could drain out of it. I guess prometheus is do out later this spring so HT will have that coming.

The only thing HT has upcoming that even draws remote interest from me is Bane and P2 redux. And I don't know if I can muster any excitement for either yet.

[tinister]

That's a great point. That Hollywood's penchant for rehashing material is rubbing off on HT. :goodpost:

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

As of five minutes ago, No! :lol

[Azrael23]

But HT isn't the only 1/6 manufacturer. They might be your favourite, you might like their products best, but there are others out there. It's crazy then to insist that HT tackle every license. If they're wrong for not taking on your preferred licenses, what does that make every other 1/6 maker out there?

I don't believe this has anything to do with a preferential line. Personally I believe HT has already stretched themselves thin as it is. I would be far more content if they focused on rounding out some of the licenses they've neglected (Expendables, Watchmen, Blade etc) and starting on ones they've announced(X-Men) as oppose to burning out lines such as Ironman and Batman.



The only problem I have is them constantly making all those ironmen it's ridiculous IMO.

I concur. Between the two Ironman films there have been 18 releases from that line. Between Avengers and the upcoming 3rd Ironman film I shudder to to think how many more will be added.

[Preshea]

Licenses.. Always licenses!

One thing don't like that everything they produce HAS to be blockbuster film based. I for one don't feel soldier story and other like companies fill my want of random military figures. HT's was great at those types of figures as well. I don't understand why they'd want to give that up when all it would take is rehashing some parts, mixing up bits and pieces they've already made as well as throw in a new piece here and there.

No film references to be nitpicked against. No deadlines to match film releases. No outside likeness approval to be determined. Just creative freedom and imagination.

[nexus]

I wonder if Hot Toys has to pay upfront of its licensing. If so you'd think they'd want to get out product to start recouping some of their investment. If not, I wonder how long they can hold until it reverts to someone else. If there is no major downside they might just be tying up some licenses like Green Lantern and X-Men to keep out of the hands of competitors. Unfortunately smaller companies can't compete because they probably have to both "pay to play" and hit minimum sales targets. So from HT perspective they can keep themselves going with Batman, Iron Man and Terminator while they figure the next potential moneymaker. That's probably why announcements are made and then it's crickets after that, and the one and dones are so common. Unless someone like a Hasbro steps in with a premium line, HT and Enterbay are going to be the only real game in town for the next 3-4 years at least.

[tinister]

I think the licenses have an expiration date. So you can say pay 100K for the right to make Predator figures for a year. If you don't make any within that year - that's your loss. The studio still keeps the 100k. If HT is in fact sitting on the licenses so that competitors can't use it - that's a losing strategy. Not to mention unfair.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

If they do pay for licenses, they've already lost money by not producing anything from their backlog.

[Grosby]

Newer licenses they buy before the film comes out and without even seeing it, I thought. With The Dark Knight, for example, I thought it was said somewhere that the film's trailer was the most footage they had to go on for the V1 Joker.

Some licenses they probably wouldn't have picked up if they knew how the film would later be received, they might drag their feet when it comes to making a figure of it. Green Lantern is maybe an example of that. For all they knew, Green Lantern could've been another Iron-Man and so they snatch the license up with that in mind. Then it comes out and it turns out not to be the case...

Plus, other things must come up that take precedence. One license they picked up turns out to be a big success and the other turns out to be a bomb. The thought then might be to put all the energy into the success. Then another success comes along and they continue to focus on that at the expense of the lacklustre licenses they picked up long before.

As far as losing money, they probably lose less money not making the figure than they do making the figure. If they make the figure they have to sell it. And if they make the figure, that's time that could've been spent on a sure-fire seller like something from The Avengers.

I don't think that's happening with every delayed licenses but I think that's possibly what's happening with some. That's what I'm thinking anyway.

As it is now though, HT have been making film figures for 7 or 8 years and there hasn't been a single example of where they've announced a license and not eventually released something, or no? Maybe that day will come but but I don't think we can say that's it definitely the case with anything yet.

[Fisherprice]

Instead of making a black Nick Fury they should have made Steve Rogers black. At least, if your gonna take liberties, make sure they're worth taking and ad something to the story worth having.

Umm Nick Fury is supposed to be black. It is the Ultimate Universe version.

I hear what people are saying. I have been aware of HT for a while I just never had the money until now. As a long time collector of comics, original art, statues and other unique items I am pretty excited about where we are and where the hobby is going.

About the only thing I am not a fan of is the rising prices and rumors of HT using the secondary market prices as a barometer for the price of new figures. I understand that they have to make money but I feel they are going to be in a world of hurt once all of the reissues start coming out and the secondary market and speculators walk away.

The one thing about HT that makes me kind of sad is that they abandoned their military line. That line was what helped them get where they are. Its a shame for all of their military fans.

Anyway once figures start hitting my self imposed limit Ill start looking for second hand figures or paying for unique customs.

[Kross]

I wish they did more characters like Chris Redfield from Re Afterlife or Carlos Olivera RE Apocalypse a and Brandon Lee figure like Eric Draven The Crow or Jake Lo Rapid Fire

[devilof76]

Hot Toys got stale for me sometime while I was waiting for a RE:4 Ada Wong.

[Jedah Kalm]

Hot Toys got stale for me sometime while I was waiting for a RE:4 Ada Wong.


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[shells075]

Yeah I agree somewhat, same old licenses being done over and over again by HT. I would love some classic movie figures, maybe call the line CMMS. A Mad Max figure would be cool or some 2001 ASO, would be nice.

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Umm Nick Fury is supposed to be black. It is the Ultimate Universe version.

The film should've been called The Ultimates.

Aside from Iron Man and Maria Hill all the characters are based off the Ultimate universe, in costume at least.

Thor = pants instead of chainmail greaves
Nick Fury = ultimate version
Captain America = wingless helmet, ultimate costume
Hawkeye = BDSM outift

And

The aliens are the chitauri things which are ONLY from the Ultmate Universe.