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JBElliott
09-09-2011, 10:56 AM
I'm afraid to ask, but when SSC makes a Superman PF, should it be based on the classic look:


http://cdn.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_12185/subcat_84397/SupermanBlueSkyPainting492.jpg

or the nuDC look:


http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/new-superman-costume-jim-lee-2011-e1309126458580.jpg

I vote classic.

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 10:59 AM
nuDC or go home. Jim Lee!!!!!!

The version of Superman who wears a t-shirt and jeans, though.

thenammagazine
09-09-2011, 11:01 AM
nuDC or go home. Jim Lee!!!!!!

The version of Superman who wears a t-shirt and jeans, though.

$400 for Underoos Superman with jeans FTW! :yess:

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 11:03 AM
All those cool, "modern" lines on nuSupes are also pretty great though. Best case scenario--Superman in jeans and t-shirt, but with all the techno-looking "modern" lines intact.

Just wish he had leg belts and a leather jacket! Jim Lee has forgotten the face of his father.

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 11:05 AM
YES! Lines all over jeans would look great! :D

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 11:06 AM
Yeah, it would be more modern and cool that way. Some unnecessary pouches wouldn't hurt, either.

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 11:10 AM
Yes! Pouches on a super utility belt with the S-sheild in the middle of it around his waist and another one around one thigh and another around one bicep!

Maybe some Kryptonian armor over his t-shirt too. And his t-shirt would need a high collar.

feeter
09-09-2011, 11:22 AM
We have a winner

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n57/feeter277/SupesPF.jpg

Hirogen
09-09-2011, 11:28 AM
I want him in the classic suit.

ecekat
09-09-2011, 11:30 AM
i agree with feeter.
all we need is sideshow confirming that's a pf and we are done.
classic first and then modern!:peace

draekus
09-09-2011, 11:31 AM
For the first PF, I'd say the classic look. We're talking about Superman here. He is one of the most classic, well known super heroes in the world. The traditional suit that's been around for years deserves the focus.

If they want to do more than one PF, then maybe they can do the new supes later on....if this look actually lasts more than 5 issues.

BB&WSF
09-09-2011, 11:33 AM
How about this one! Both Jim Lee and Classic taken care of!

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb324/vikasmichael/sm-209-19-01-1.jpg

JAWS
09-09-2011, 11:34 AM
We have a winner

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n57/feeter277/SupesPF.jpg

:exactly::exactly::goodpost::goodpost:

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 11:38 AM
It would be SUPER if SSC could figure out a way to make their Superman PF actually levitate like one of those magnetic levitating globes by Levitron.


http://www.gizmoblog.net/pic/levg211l.jpg

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 11:41 AM
How about this one! Both Jim Lee and Classic taken care of!

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb324/vikasmichael/sm-209-19-01-1.jpg
Unfortunately, we're looking for Jim Lee designed costumes, not Jim Lee drawn versions of existing costumes.

MachineGunMan
09-09-2011, 12:08 PM
Classic Superman is on the the most iconic images of this great country of ours... nothing beats it.

thenammagazine
09-09-2011, 12:25 PM
Unfortunately, I'm looking for Jim Lee designed costumes, not Jim Lee drawn versions of existing costumes.

Fixed for accuracy. :lol

Deak Starkiller
09-09-2011, 12:30 PM
I love Jim Lee but his new designs suck donkey ____.

fuzzylojiks
09-09-2011, 12:43 PM
This is going to be a close poll.........:lol

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 12:44 PM
I love Jim Lee but his new designs suck donkey ____.
So does your. . .vacuum cleaner.

Sweet Rabbit
09-09-2011, 12:45 PM
classic or fail :lecture

xYx
09-09-2011, 12:50 PM
Where are the Superman Red & Blue options on the poll? :monkey1

http://epicponyz.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/superman-redblue.jpg

feeter
09-09-2011, 12:51 PM
Where are the Superman Red & Blue options on the poll? :monkey1

http://epicponyz.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/superman-redblue.jpg

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

IronLungs31
09-09-2011, 12:52 PM
I can see huge disappointments coming from the making of the cape.

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 12:52 PM
^^ I think it's assumed that those would be everyone's true first choice. This is really a poll to see what people would want third.

Sweet Rabbit
09-09-2011, 12:52 PM
Where are the Superman Red & Blue options on the poll? :monkey1

:slap:slap:slap

:rotfl

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 12:53 PM
I'm really surprised by the fact that the classic version is winning and by the margin it's winning. That's true of another poll I started at the Statue Forum here (http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=121062).

It's surprising since the nuDC costume has gotten so much support elsewhere and the Snyder/Cavill costume (also not classic) has been so well received.

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 12:54 PM
I'm really surprised by the fact that the classic version is winning and by the margin it's winning. That's true of another poll I started at the Statue Forum here (http://www.statueforum.com/showthread.php?t=121062).

It's surprising since the nuDC costume has gotten so much support elsewhere and the Snyder/Cavill costume (also not classic) has been so well received.
Clearly, people have irrational hatred of all things Jim Lee. His design is superior in all ways. A couple of leg belts away from being the greatest outfit design ever.

ecekat
09-09-2011, 12:56 PM
I can see huge disappointments coming from the making of the cape.

That's a good prediction!

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 12:58 PM
Clearly, people have irrational hatred of all things Jim Lee. His design is superior in all ways. A couple of leg belts away from being the greatest outfit design ever.

The only thing that could make that idea better is some bicep belts and more S-shield symbols on all the pouches! That and a high collar!

feeter
09-09-2011, 12:58 PM
Clearly, people have irrational hatred of all things Jim Lee. His design is superior in all ways. A couple of leg belts away from being the greatest outfit design ever.

He also needs bigger pads:lecture

xYx
09-09-2011, 01:02 PM
Ok guys. I found out from a very reliable source from Sideshow on what they'll be basing the coming Superman PF.

If you want to be suprised then I suggest that you DO NOT scroll down on the spoiler below, BUT if you can't wait then go right ahead. You'll be PLEASANTLY suprised...



















[http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2008/07/jim_lee_superman.jpg

batfan08
09-09-2011, 01:02 PM
...and right above the high collar, he could have a leather choker with an 'S' badge in the middle.:lecture

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 01:03 PM
He also needs bigger pads:lecture
Don't you bring that Rob Liefeld bull____ around here! :mad:

leg belts and unnecessary leather jackets > giant shoulder pads and guns bigger than the earth

feeter
09-09-2011, 01:12 PM
http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/new-superman-costume-jim-lee-2011-e1309126458580.jpg

He has shoulder and knee pads :lecture

Sweet Rabbit
09-09-2011, 01:13 PM
ok

how are the 2 people that voted nuDC? :lol

karamazov80
09-09-2011, 01:16 PM
http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/new-superman-costume-jim-lee-2011-e1309126458580.jpg

He has shoulder and knee pads :lecture
Obviously, that is a "modern" technosuit. This is a shoulder pad:

http://shop.goldenapplecomics.com/images/products/detail/cableclassic.jpg

Kamandi
09-09-2011, 01:30 PM
George Reeves or GTFO.

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 01:31 PM
Ok guys. I found out from a very reliable source from Sideshow on what they'll be basing the coming Superman PF.

If you want to be suprised then I suggest that you DO NOT scroll down on the spoiler below, BUT if you can't wait then go right ahead. You'll be PLEASANTLY suprised...



















[http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2008/07/jim_lee_superman.jpg


They're going to make him look like Jim Lee?

xYx
09-09-2011, 01:49 PM
They're going to make him look like Jim Lee?

It's only fitting since he created Superman. :monkey1

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 01:52 PM
It's only fitting since he created Superman. :monkey1

Not just Superman, all of DC. Give the man his due!

Josh-A-Tron
09-09-2011, 02:07 PM
I'm sorry I had to vote classic. I dislike the new Jim lee costume, and I like Lee's art, this just wasn't what I wanted to see in a Superman costume. And I'll also say it has nothing to do with the "no undies", I think the Superman: Man of Steel suit looks pretty cool.

xYx
09-09-2011, 02:08 PM
Not just Superman, all of DC. Give the man his due!

:slap Silly me! My bad. :(

brucecamblzchin
09-09-2011, 02:17 PM
Leg belts and shoulder pads lol.

I'd love a Christopher reeve supes PF.

thenammagazine
09-09-2011, 03:00 PM
ok

how are the 2 people that voted nuDC? :lol

Poll says: 223_john, karamazov80, TOE

Batty
09-09-2011, 03:13 PM
Poll says: 223_john, karamazov80, TOE

And TOE doesn't count.

TheMadTitan
09-09-2011, 03:14 PM
Classic Superman PF and classic Darkseid PF please. :pray:

Y4NK33 PL4N3T
09-09-2011, 03:16 PM
Classic or don't bother :peace

fuzzylojiks
09-09-2011, 03:20 PM
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superman-jim-lee.jpg

thenammagazine
09-09-2011, 03:28 PM
http://geekdraw.com/picture/alex-ross-superman-675-111210.jpg?pictureId=7687894

Gipetto0812
09-09-2011, 03:41 PM
It's only fitting since he created Superman. :monkey1
:slap
Ever hear of Jerry Seigel and Joe Shuster?

http://www.greatkrypton.com/superman/creators.gif


Classic Superman PF and classic Darkseid PF please. :pray:

:lecture :exactly: :lecture

thenammagazine
09-09-2011, 03:44 PM
:slap
Ever hear of Jerry Seigel and Joe Shuster?


http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/zz99/Chew64/sarcasm20meter.jpg

Gipetto0812
09-09-2011, 03:46 PM
:rotfl

I'll say it again, I'm not good with internet jokes/sarcasm

thenammagazine
09-09-2011, 03:47 PM
:rotfl

I'll say it again, I'm not good with internet jokes/sarcasm

But some things are a little too obvious. :lol

Mr. Green
09-09-2011, 04:29 PM
Superman 204 FTW!!! I actually like the new design but not ready to buy yet. It will sinks in eventually.


http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superman-jim-lee.jpg

brucecamblzchin
09-09-2011, 04:36 PM
:slap
Ever hear of Jerry Seigel and Joe Shuster?

http://www.greatkrypton.com/superman/creators.gif



:lecture :exactly: :lecture

lol, nah man Jim Lee invented Supes in 1994.

fuzzylojiks
09-09-2011, 04:41 PM
Superman 204 FTW!!! I actually like the new design but not ready to buy yet. It will sinks in eventually.

:hi5::1-1:

Vendetta
09-09-2011, 04:52 PM
I'd take a PF or 1/4th scale Comiquette of the Superman statue featured in Seinfeld too.

JBElliott
09-09-2011, 05:03 PM
Both the Bowen statue from Seinfeld and the DCD Jim Lee statue are very nice, but I hope that SSC does something more dynamic than having Superman stand on something looking vaguely heroic and determined. Thus the idea of having a levitating Superman in mid-flight would be truly super.

samueljd
09-09-2011, 07:58 PM
Classic Supes! I won't have it any other way.

Kal-El
09-09-2011, 08:49 PM
I voted for the classic look

filip629
09-10-2011, 12:08 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that the JL modern costumes will be used on DC comiquettes. All the PFs will probably proceed with the classic costumes. My vote would be classic for whatever format SSC uses on Supes.

BB&WSF
09-10-2011, 03:54 AM
Unfortunately, I'm looking for Jim Lee designed costumes, not Jim Lee drawn versions of existing costumes.


Fixed for accuracy. :lol

:exactly: :goodpost: :)

Desamo
09-10-2011, 04:09 AM
Classic look is better.

**16k**
09-10-2011, 04:52 AM
Classic of course! Don't want any of that new ____!

devilof76
09-10-2011, 05:25 AM
I want classic, but there is no way I want anything that is a reproduction of existing art.

Darth Snoopy
09-10-2011, 07:43 AM
WHAT?!? No Fabio Superman in this poll? :mad:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vXcB6oRCQVw/RinPPwpg1tI/AAAAAAAAADA/fkEjgKIuwcA/s400/superman+long+hair.jpg

EVILFACE
09-10-2011, 07:51 AM
http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/new-superman-costume-jim-lee-2011-e1309126458580.jpg

He has shoulder and knee pads :lecture

Looks more like Superboy.


Obviously, that is a "modern" technosuit. This is a shoulder pad:

http://shop.goldenapplecomics.com/images/products/detail/cableclassic.jpg

:lol at the hairy body.

heck, :lol at the whole thing.

The Mike
09-10-2011, 09:15 AM
I want both. One Classic Superman PF and one of the New 52.

Kamandi
09-10-2011, 10:54 AM
Obviously, that is a "modern" technosuit. This is a shoulder pad:

http://shop.goldenapplecomics.com/images/products/detail/cableclassic.jpg

I don't know what part is funnier - the scar and stiches ON THE ARMOR or the 4 dildos on his belt.

thenammagazine
09-10-2011, 11:06 AM
I don't know what part is funnier - the scar and stiches ON THE ARMOR or the 4 dildos on his belt.

:nono Not dildos. Too small. Liefeld always draws everything super-sized. So they're probably steroid suppositories.

TOTAL.CONTROL
09-10-2011, 12:16 PM
Alex Ross classic!!! I'd drink that man's paint thiner. :panic:

Josh-A-Tron
09-10-2011, 01:14 PM
Alex Ross classic!!! I'd drink that man's paint thiner. :panic:

He uses gouache, no paint thinner required :)

brucecamblzchin
09-10-2011, 03:41 PM
lol, dildo belt ftw.

JBElliott
09-12-2011, 11:41 AM
Both this poll and the one on Statue Forum are about 88% for the classic costume.

I'm stunned by the margin of this given how many people like the nuDC costume and the costume in the Snyder/Cavill movie.

Mr. Green
09-12-2011, 12:23 PM
Sorry but this poll is a little flawed. We need both and neither options as well. I mean classic isn't really classic but like early Jim Lee classic or a little before JL. Modern is here to stay until it gets somewhat old and sinks in for people to like more.

Of course more option for this poll won't change much but at least its not like black n white simplicity.

JBElliott
09-12-2011, 01:25 PM
For the sake of this poll, the term "classic' covers just about everything since Superman #14 until nuDC.

By the cover of Superman #14:


http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/superman/14-1.jpg

the costume was pretty much set. The S-shield changed, but the general costume didn't change that much.

thenammagazine
09-12-2011, 07:22 PM
It wasn't broke... :huh

devilof76
09-12-2011, 08:13 PM
Nope. The Siegel estate was.

brucecamblzchin
09-12-2011, 08:34 PM
Nope. The Siegel estate was.

lmao!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/charonn0/wonder_woman.gif?t=1251836810

devilof76
09-12-2011, 08:39 PM
And now they have his red trunks. :yess:

Mr. Green
09-12-2011, 09:17 PM
I see they added "DC Comics" section before "Marvel" in SSC. And of course Joker is the only and first PF. :) Bats hiding in the shadows!

Enigma
09-13-2011, 12:06 AM
have him fully sculpted no more pajamas

Mr. Green
09-13-2011, 12:59 AM
Sculpted the cape too? Sup comiquette for u....PF for me! I do wonder how they'll pul this sups off. Not by pulling his uniform off of course. :wink1:

Brayzen
09-14-2011, 05:12 AM
I have a sneaking suspicion that the JL modern costumes will be used on DC comiquettes. All the PFs will probably proceed with the classic costumes. My vote would be classic for whatever format SSC uses on Supes.

I agree about the PF being more classic and the Comiquettes being the more modern costumes.

JBElliott
09-14-2011, 09:28 AM
I'm hoping that SSC works with the classic looks of the DC characters and the nuDC stays at DCD.

TwiST3d LuNaTiC
09-14-2011, 10:09 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't SSC always work based on the comics? They did with all the marvel collection and even the ninja turtles with the red headbands.

xjamiex
09-14-2011, 12:14 PM
Classic for sure because, well....classic is classic :D

JBElliott
09-14-2011, 01:48 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't SSC always work based on the comics? They did with all the marvel collection and even the ninja turtles with the red headbands.

I can't say either way. But I can note that the Thor PF they made was based on a classic costume and not something that Thor has been wearing in recent years.

brucecamblzchin
09-14-2011, 02:05 PM
It'll be a general interpretation of Supes I imagine, I don't think nuDC or Superman red/blue or Fabio Supes have a chance of being the first Supes collectible from SSC.

And if they are totally awesome it'll be a Chris Reeve Supes PF!

TheMadTitan
09-14-2011, 09:36 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't SSC always work based on the comics? They did with all the marvel collection and even the ninja turtles with the red headbands.

I hope so. I think Sideshow will make one awesome Superman PF based on Jim Lee's Superman from the story For Tomorrow!

TheFiend
09-14-2011, 10:50 PM
Classic or fail.

Chaosorb
09-16-2011, 07:15 AM
Classic look all the way. :hi5::peace

JBElliott
09-16-2011, 12:46 PM
Classic Supes is beating nuDCU Supes by more than 85 to 15 here and on the Statue Forums.

samueljd
09-18-2011, 06:05 AM
Classic Supes is beating nuDCU Supes by more than 85 to 15 here and on the Statue Forums.

Well, the Classic look has barely changed over 70yrs, so most of us like it.

ecekat
09-18-2011, 06:29 AM
I want gore group ti sculpt superman.is it possible??

thomasbierzynski0524
09-18-2011, 06:52 AM
just give me that design at SDCC for the PF and I am very happy

JBElliott
09-18-2011, 04:35 PM
Well, the Classic look has barely changed over 70yrs, so most of us like it.

Then why are so many people happy about the new suits in the movie and nuDCU?

samueljd
09-19-2011, 04:22 PM
Then why are so many people happy about the new suits in the movie and nuDCU?

Don't know what to tell you ...... other than the poll speaks for itself. :lecture

Mr. Green
09-19-2011, 06:05 PM
It will take time for the new suit to sink in. More people only buy classic than new. But if this poll is based solely on Classic vs New, then its a little diff poll. Classic will still win but with less votes.

thenammagazine
09-20-2011, 06:13 AM
It will take time for the new suit to sink in. More people only buy classic than new. But if this poll is based solely on Classic vs New, then its a little diff poll. Classic will still win but with less votes.

But it is solely based on Classic vs. New. And Classic is spanking the new version, by way more, not less. :dunno

JBElliott
09-20-2011, 07:41 AM
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:


It will take time for the new suit to sink in. More people only buy classic than new. But if this poll is based solely on Classic vs New, then its a little diff poll. Classic will still win but with less votes.


:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Echo 7
09-20-2011, 07:35 PM
awesome pics...

mgs0612
09-21-2011, 01:15 AM
classic all the way!!!..:hi5:

JBElliott
09-21-2011, 11:37 AM
Here is a prototype of the SSC Superman PF:



http://supermanpictures.net/Superman-Statue.jpg http://myfunnypics.org/d/882-1/Superman+crash+landing+statue.jpg

thenammagazine
09-21-2011, 12:25 PM
Because that's funny? :dunno

JBElliott
09-21-2011, 02:36 PM
It's different anyway. Also flying head first into the ground wouldn't hurt Superman in any way and he's done it before.

Mr. Green
09-22-2011, 05:02 PM
The new Sup would've never done that! :monkey1

electroshock
09-29-2011, 02:46 PM
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5774/22650596.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7355/18126803.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8585/15400149.jpg

RIDDICK
09-29-2011, 02:48 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1186/3175221922_1efa0435b5.jpg

xYx
09-29-2011, 02:49 PM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1186/3175221922_1efa0435b5.jpg
:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

VS1976
09-29-2011, 02:51 PM
I sure hope thats not the art that will be based on... Looks boring.

electroshock
09-29-2011, 02:52 PM
:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

http://th01.deviantart.net/fs40/PRE/i/2009/048/d/c/Superman_Batman_Cover_Colors_by_manapul.jpg



http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/2/12/128789499878128987.jpg

electroshock
09-29-2011, 02:57 PM
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7355/18126803.jpg

electroshock
09-29-2011, 03:02 PM
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8585/15400149.jpg

JBElliott
09-29-2011, 03:04 PM
Sort of a boring pose, just more of him standing around.

But I'm glad they went with the classic look. This poll (http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100013) shows that's what most people want.

Gipetto0812
09-29-2011, 03:05 PM
I like the pose. I just hope they go with a cloth suit and a sculpted one. If they go sculpted, i'm not buying.

MarfMaster
09-29-2011, 03:05 PM
Sort of boring yes, but regal.

JBElliott
09-29-2011, 03:06 PM
Sort of boring yes, but regal.

Yeah, but he's not a king. He's one of the people, that's what makes him really super.

MarfMaster
09-29-2011, 03:07 PM
Yeah, but he's not a king. He's one of the people, that's what makes him really super.

So hope they make a Clark Kent PF :dunno

JBElliott
09-29-2011, 03:08 PM
So hope they make a Clark Kent PF :dunno

Superman is Clark Kent. :rotfl

MarfMaster
09-29-2011, 03:10 PM
Superman is Clark Kent. :rotfl

No ____, are you serious?! :horror

JBElliott
09-29-2011, 03:11 PM
No ____, are you serious?! :horror

Don't tell me the glasses threw you off. :lol

Smooth Criminal
09-29-2011, 03:11 PM
Ordered!!!!

JBElliott
09-29-2011, 03:12 PM
Ordered!!!!

Link??????

RIDDICK
09-29-2011, 03:34 PM
Link??????

I think he meant to say SOLD :lol

Sweet Rabbit
09-30-2011, 03:15 AM
I'll be buying!

Darth Snoopy
09-30-2011, 03:25 AM
Hurry up and make this, Sideshow! :impatient:

ecekat
09-30-2011, 03:35 AM
Is this the same as the one in the con?

peedi
09-30-2011, 05:26 AM
Aside from Batman (the main one I'm waiting on) this is the biggest DC character, maybe even character all around, that they could do. So many people have to be pleased with this one. I think a museum pose is a safe way for SS to go to please the most people. If Superman is doing too much people will surely complain. "I don't like that leg", "where is he flying to?", "he wouldn't take off like that", etc. This will be in many homes.

And let's just assume now the ES is gonna make some people go crazy. I'll still buy.

thomasbierzynski0524
09-30-2011, 05:41 AM
Is this the same as the one in the con?

looks like the one at sdcc to me.

thomasbierzynski0524
09-30-2011, 06:21 AM
I m so excited after watching that dc video.

electroshock
09-30-2011, 06:58 AM
Superman premium format MUST be a MUST HAVE,because he`s the ____ing super hero of all times


sideshow,please work it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/02/20100403162115!Usa_work_program.jpg

TheMadTitan
09-30-2011, 09:35 AM
Sort of a boring pose, just more of him standing around.

But I'm glad they went with the classic look. This poll (http://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100013) shows that's what most people want.

It ain't boring at all. It is the Jim Lee pose if you look at the video again closely. one of his legs is standing up

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superman-jim-lee.jpg

Gipetto0812
09-30-2011, 10:02 AM
not exactly the Jim lee pose though thank goodness. I hate seeing that pic everywhere.

I honestly would've preferred a "hovering" type of pose. But my main concern is if this has a cloth outfit or not.

MarfMaster
09-30-2011, 10:19 AM
not exactly the Jim lee pose though thank goodness. I hate seeing that pic everywhere.

I honestly would've preferred a "hovering" type of pose. But my main concern is if this has a cloth outfit or not.

Are you pro or anti-cloth? I personally like it, but some people don't like that it dulls the muscle definition.

thenammagazine
09-30-2011, 10:50 AM
not exactly the Jim lee pose though thank goodness. I hate seeing that pic everywhere.

I honestly would've preferred a "hovering" type of pose. But my main concern is if this has a cloth outfit or not.

:lecture:lecture:lecture :goodpost:

Jim Lee = overrated. :exactly:

KBA
09-30-2011, 10:53 AM
Sculpted body + wired cloth cape would look stunning.

thenammagazine
09-30-2011, 11:43 AM
Sculpted body + wired cloth cape would look stunning.

Depends. I'd much rather have a perfectly natural hanging cape to a funky wired one you have to futz for 9hrs out of the box and still don't quite nail the proto's. :monkey1

KBA
09-30-2011, 12:42 PM
Depends. I'd much rather have a perfectly natural hanging cape to a funky wired one you have to futz for 9hrs out of the box and still don't quite nail the proto's. :monkey1

Sideshow should look into using something other than wire, something like a permanently fixed frame —attach and done.

Gipetto0812
09-30-2011, 12:53 PM
Are you pro or anti-cloth? I personally like it, but some people don't like that it dulls the muscle definition.

I'm definitely pro-cloth.

It's the reason I didn't buy the Cyclops PF. He's my favorite marvel character, but a "leather" jacket isn't enough for me. The blue should've been cloth and straps either polystone or "leather" IMO. They did cloth with the Wolverine and Sabertooth PF so i don't see why they couldn't on the Cyclops one


:lecture:lecture:lecture :goodpost:

Jim Lee = overrated. :exactly:

Too true.

fuzzylojiks
09-30-2011, 01:37 PM
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Fuzzylojiks/Assorted%20Manips/jl02psd.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Fuzzylojiks/Assorted%20Manips/jl01.jpg


Jim Lee = overrated. :exactly:

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/superman_facepalm.jpg

thenammagazine
09-30-2011, 02:45 PM
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Fuzzylojiks/Assorted%20Manips/jl02psd.jpg
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Fuzzylojiks/Assorted%20Manips/jl01.jpg


http://www.tshirtlaundry.com/assets/images/photos/Overrated10-1-2010-2.jpg
:lecture:lecture:lecture :exactly::lecture:lecture:lecture

Balsquat
09-30-2011, 02:47 PM
I want an old skool superman with the old style S from the very first cartoons. That screams icon to me.

BuffyGirl
09-30-2011, 03:01 PM
I can only hope the pose is great. But Superman is a must! And of course Supergirl. He should be standing on the globe of The Daily Planet and it should rotate round and round. Haha..Of course I'm kidding. I'd get a headache just looking at it.

Gipetto0812
09-30-2011, 03:30 PM
at least post Superman Jim Lee pics since this is a Superman thread... Batman somehow always has to be in EVERY thread in the DC Section

Batty
09-30-2011, 03:34 PM
I like Lee's work that he did on Hush and Superman, but I have no idea what he's done in the past five years.

Sideshow might take elements of his work and combine it with their own style to make Superman... like they did with Bolland's work from "The Killing Joke" for Joker.

BuffyGirl
09-30-2011, 03:36 PM
I like Lee's work that he did on Hush and Superman, but I have no idea what he's done in the past five years.

Sideshow might take elements of his work and combine it with their own style to make Superman... like they did with Bolland's work from "The Killing Joke" for Joker.

As long as he looks good. I don't see a problem with that. I was praying that the pf wouldn't look like any of the tv/movie actors. So comic PF makes me a happy woman.

Gipetto0812
09-30-2011, 03:43 PM
As long as he looks good. I don't see a problem with that. I was praying that the pf wouldn't look like any of the tv/movie actors. So comic PF makes me a happy woman.

I'm prety sure it won't. The 1:1 looks very much like a mixture of Sideshow style with Alex Ross as the main reference so I'm confident the PF will will have more reference to the comics than an actor (hopefully at least :pray:)

BuffyGirl
09-30-2011, 03:46 PM
I'm prety sure it won't. The 1:1 looks very much like a mixture of Sideshow style with Alex Ross as the main reference so I'm confident the PF will will have more reference to the comics than an actor (hopefully at least :pray:)

Definitely. I pray!

Now, would anyone ever want to see a sideshow version of Supe opening his dress shirt to reveal his logo shirt? Or just straight up cape and tights? I realize the open shirt idea has been done many MANY times. But wanted to ask. I want straight up cape and tights.

electroshock
09-30-2011, 04:27 PM
Superman's cape should be the strong point with the face and pose

fuzzylojiks
09-30-2011, 04:29 PM
Definitely. I pray!

Now, would anyone ever want to see a sideshow version of Supe opening his dress shirt to reveal his logo shirt? Or just straight up cape and tights? I realize the open shirt idea has been done many MANY times. But wanted to ask. I want straight up cape and tights.

Nice, I would probably get both versions.

The Mike
10-01-2011, 06:36 AM
I like Lee's work that he did on Hush and Superman, but I have no idea what he's done in the past five years. Sideshow might take elements of his work and combine it with their own style to make Superman... like they did with Bolland's work from "The Killing Joke" for Joker.

Jim Lee hasn't really done much after "For Tomorrow" with just doing mostly covers as he is handling other business. They won't start at Jim Lee with a base, they'll keep his look and examples strictly for the New 52 since it has his stamp all over it.


I'm prety sure it won't. The 1:1 looks very much like a mixture of Sideshow style with Alex Ross as the main reference so I'm confident the PF will will have more reference to the comics than an actor (hopefully at least :pray:)

They won't. Alex Ross like Frank Miller is very specific in terms of look and if you look at the work in progress that isn't Alex Ross. Bolland's look is often considered the "definitive" Joker, even Jim Lee based his look on that one so I would say they'll start with what is considered "definitive" and for Superman it's Curt Swan. If you look at the shape of the face that is more Frank Quietly than anything else. So Supes will definitely be idealized.

Gipetto0812
10-01-2011, 07:27 AM
I haveto disagree with you Mike. I don't see any Quitely in there at all. The chin and eyes look more Ross to me and, now that you mention it, a Curt Swan vibe to it as well. But I definitely don't see Quitely there.

The Mike
10-01-2011, 01:05 PM
Quitely Superman:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2OgpsMgKSls/SieMCorrmRI/AAAAAAAACeU/g8c7vq6TqTI/s400/supes37.jpg

The initial rough sketch:
http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39548&d=1317388884

I see it in the shape of the head especially as a base. Like I said it'll be idealized so that is probably why the Swan reference is there.

Either way it ain't this
http://images.suite101.com/263264_kingdomcomeross.jpg

Gipetto0812
10-01-2011, 02:29 PM
i think you misread what I said. I said that the 1:1 looks like they went with Alex Ross as a start point not the PF

For the PF, I agree that it does have the Quitely look to it

JC
10-01-2011, 03:29 PM
Do we have confirmation of that artwork in the first post is in fact for the PF? The video also showed blue prints for a 1/6th classic, golden age, first appearance and modern Supes as well...

Gipetto0812
10-02-2011, 12:24 AM
Do we have confirmation of that artwork in the first post is in fact for the PF? The video also showed blue prints for a 1/6th classic, golden age, first appearance and modern Supes as well...

well it does say "Superman Premium Format Concept" :huh

The Mike
10-02-2011, 09:29 AM
i think you misread what I said. I said that the 1:1 looks like they went with Alex Ross as a start point not the PF

I still say no, if we are in agreement that the one shown in the video, the bald one with highbrows is Superman then it still doesn't look like Ross'. Ross' look has more wrinkles to it, a definite headshape and neck, very stylized

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7416/superman2.jpg

http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/superman_alex_ross.jpg

Looking it, it looks more Dan Jurgens as a starting point:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ndMhsNIci6A/TSYUyKJfwzI/AAAAAAAAANY/FNVqoDiqr7U/s1600/2011-01-06.2.jpg

but then again idealized like their Joker.

thenammagazine
10-02-2011, 09:32 AM
I still say no, if we are in agreement that the one shown in the video, the bald one with highbrows is Superman then it still doesn't look like Ross'. Ross' look has more wrinkles to it, a definite headshape and neck, very stylized

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7416/superman2.jpg

I don't collect 1:1 busts, but I'd buy a bust of that. Hell, even a PF made like their Crete Nazi would be nice. :lecture:lecture:lecture

The Mike
10-02-2011, 09:34 AM
I have a feeling it'll happen too just not right out of the gate. I think you'll see SSC actually offer up artist specific pieces after they hit their own versions similar to the way DCD did....only better.

BuffyGirl
10-02-2011, 12:18 PM
Does everyone think that the ex will come with a print? If this happens, I'll get the regular from a shop near me. I'm not a print person like some of you. Now, if it isn't a print, what would you like to see as the ex piece?

devilof76
10-02-2011, 12:22 PM
Red-eyed extra head.

JC
10-02-2011, 12:37 PM
well it does say "Superman Premium Format Concept" :huh

Oops...Yes it does, my bad...Nevermind then, lol...

Gipetto0812
10-02-2011, 04:58 PM
I still say no, if we are in agreement that the one shown in the video, the bald one with highbrows is Superman then it still doesn't look like Ross'. Ross' look has more wrinkles to it, a definite headshape and neck, very stylized
Looking it, it looks more Dan Jurgens as a starting point:

the eyebrows could be Jurgens, but that is all I see could be from his style.
http://i1030.photobucket.com/albums/y366/gipetto0812/superman7.jpg

same chin/mouth/nose and similar eyebrows. even the neck looks thick like Ross' style.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PDVvMvCGCgs/Swy9BbEm-dI/AAAAAAAADQI/b-Cu0gwtu1c/s1600/superman3.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_O4ZzhRdo84M/S_dWzNUHXFI/AAAAAAAABUU/nV_7WfuUqyE/s1600/RossKingdomComeSuperman.jpg

Ish
10-02-2011, 05:23 PM
well if it's ross then i'll pass, never like that style, hopefully they'd do the 1:1 ross's style and the pf more comic style.

thenammagazine
10-02-2011, 05:45 PM
well if it's ross then i'll pass, never like that style, hopefully they'd do the 1:1 ross's style and the pf more comic style.

That pic above has to be a 1:1 bust or an LSB. Look at the tool and the hand in the same pic. :lol

Gipetto0812
10-02-2011, 05:46 PM
well if it's ross then i'll pass, never like that style, hopefully they'd do the 1:1 ross's style and the pf more comic style.

from the Concept, the PF looks more of All Star Superman, Frank Quitely look to it.

Mike and I are having an off conversation about the 1:1

The Mike
10-02-2011, 11:54 PM
I still don't see Ross in that base, the AR Superman always had an older look to him that I just don't see in the 1:1, although since they clearly announced that the base for The Joker was Bolland I'm sure when Supes gets his due they'll disclose the base for that as well. I'd be very interested to see what was printed out and hung around that sculptor for reference

JBElliott
10-03-2011, 02:25 PM
I still say no, if we are in agreement that the one shown in the video, the bald one with highbrows is Superman then it still doesn't look like Ross'. Ross' look has more wrinkles to it, a definite headshape and neck, very stylized

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7416/superman2.jpg

Ross' look isn't stylized.


http://www.wildsound-filmmaking-feedback-events.com/images/superman_alex_ross.jpg

Looking it, it looks more Dan Jurgens as a starting point:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ndMhsNIci6A/TSYUyKJfwzI/AAAAAAAAANY/FNVqoDiqr7U/s1600/2011-01-06.2.jpg

but then again idealized like their Joker.

That's not Dan Jurgens' work, it's Jerry Ordway.

JBElliott
10-03-2011, 02:27 PM
The new Sup would've never done that! :monkey1

Sure he would. :peace

The Mike
10-03-2011, 02:30 PM
Superman would have been in China within three seconds if he flew head first into the ground ;)

The Mike
10-03-2011, 02:40 PM
Ross' look isn't stylized.

The definition of stylized (one of them) is to bend or conform something to a particular look or styling, are you going to argue that Ross' stuff isn't done in a way that it's almost immediately recognizable as Ross despite other artists using the realistic painted styling like Dell'Otto for example? We aren't talking Humberto Ramos or Ed McGuinness distorted but we are still talking stylized to his particular look.


That's not Dan Jurgens' work, it's Jerry Ordway.

Is it? I could have sworn that was Jurgens, well it furthers my point that both Jurgens and Ordway for example drew Superman in such a similar fashion that it becomes the iconic staple and I think that Sideshow for their 1:1 are pulling from those 90s artists and probably digging into the artists like Curt Swan or Alex Ross or even Jon Bogdanove (if it goes that deep) for something that is instantly recognizable there as their interpretations.

IrishJedi
10-03-2011, 02:50 PM
Yeah, that's Ordway.

The Mike
10-03-2011, 03:13 PM
Huh. Then I stand corrected.

"Looking it, it looks more Jerry Ordway as a starting point" :D

devilof76
10-03-2011, 08:31 PM
Ross' look isn't stylized.

All art is stylized. That's what makes it art.

Gipetto0812
10-03-2011, 10:21 PM
I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree Mike :1-1:

that is unless SS tells us like they did with the Joker PF :lol

the funny thing would be if neither of us was right :lol :slap

JBElliott
10-04-2011, 10:27 AM
All art is stylized. That's what makes it art.

I suppose semantically that is correct, but Ross' photorealism isn't a typical example of stylized art.

JBElliott
10-04-2011, 10:29 AM
I wouldn't say that Jurgens' and Ordway's art was similar, but that's just my opinion.

devilof76
10-04-2011, 10:31 AM
Realism is one thing. There is still a selectivity involved in the creative process that would not exist in a photographic method that sought to faithfully document a visually tangible subject.

A mugshot is as realistic a studio portrait shot, but only one is photographic art.

thenammagazine
10-04-2011, 10:53 AM
Realism is one thing. There is still a selectivity involved in the creative process that would not exist in a photographic method that sought to faithfully document a visually tangible subject.

A mugshot is as realistic a studio portrait shot, but only one is photographic art.

Depends on who's in the mugshot. :lol

Kamandi
10-04-2011, 02:19 PM
I hope Superman lives up to the high paint standards we've come to expect from SSC.

thenammagazine
10-04-2011, 02:36 PM
I hope Superman lives up to the high paint standards we've come to expect from SSC.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:rotfl


http://www.mintmagazine.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/lazy-eye.jpg

electroshock
10-05-2011, 08:46 AM
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7416/superman2.jpg

+

http://www.antesmuertoqueserunzombi.es/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/HAMM.jpg

=

http://comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/21032/jon%20hamm%20is%20superman!.JPG

mad men?? :monkey1

thenammagazine
10-05-2011, 09:16 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mupm2BmIjtc/S-BSclmQeJI/AAAAAAAAMCo/HUq7lVhi_zs/s400/bad+joke.jpg

Alex Ross actually used a real person by the name of Frank Kasy, as his model for Superman. :wink1:

Y4NK33 PL4N3T
10-05-2011, 09:21 AM
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5774/22650596.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7355/18126803.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8585/15400149.jpg

The pose they're apparently going with looks very exciting. :sleep

MarfMaster
10-05-2011, 09:22 AM
No joke, John Hamm would make a fantastic "older" Supes imo.

electroshock
10-05-2011, 09:25 AM
No joke, John Hamm would make a fantastic "older" Supes imo.

yes is a restart from Zack Snyder,

jon hamm will be a really good old superman :exactly:

devilof76
10-05-2011, 09:28 AM
I don't see it.

electroshock
10-05-2011, 09:31 AM
I don't see it.

of course ,you cant see because there`s one already :wave

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wNPvi9_h_5k/TWZa8a90MgI/AAAAAAAAAKI/RsCsE5dAhUw/s1600/Superman+2012.jpg

fuzzylojiks
10-05-2011, 09:32 AM
No joke, John Hamm would make a fantastic "older" Supes imo.


yes is a restart from Zack Snyder,

jon hamm will be a really good old superman :exactly:

Agreed........

electroshock
10-05-2011, 09:35 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D-_Lg_Woecc/TUbyJXY--qI/AAAAAAAABGM/JYUsm3yU8NI/s1600/supercavillve1.jpg

i prefer the ____ing maching of christopher reeve EVER :exactly::exactly:

http://img.wallpaperstock.net:81/christopher-reeve-como-superman-wallpapers_23687_1024x768.png

http://www.krackblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Evil_Superman.jpg

R.I.P :thud:

devilof76
10-05-2011, 09:48 AM
of course ,you cant see because there`s one already :wave

Presumptuous much?

I don't see it because I think his face is too weak to portray Kal-El.

thenammagazine
10-05-2011, 10:01 AM
Presumptuous much?

I don't see it because I think his face is too weak to portray Kal-El.

I think he'll wind up pulling a Toby Maguire. We'll all think he's miscast in the role and then when we see it, he'll pull it off. Back in the day, believe it or not, people felt the same about Reeve. :huh

devilof76
10-05-2011, 10:08 AM
No, I meant Jon Hamm. I think Cavill looks great.

electroshock
10-05-2011, 10:33 AM
Presumptuous much?

I don't see it because I think his face is too weak to portray Kal-El.

Ok im sorry,i understand wrong

Anyway Jon hamm is a really good actor,i recomended mad med :exactly:

Seaward
10-05-2011, 11:51 AM
Jon Hamm needs a better agent, as he really should be playing Superman...just my $0.02. I haven't watched Mad Men, but the other projects that I have seen him in, he's been fun to watch.

I hope that a Superman statue (PF or otherwise) has the Frank Quitely look. I think his style is a little too "off" for the Premium Format line, as they typically go with the most iconic look for a character, but I would love to see Batman and Superman in the Frank Quitely style sometime soon!

Ex-Parrot
10-05-2011, 04:37 PM
Sad fact is, Jon Hamm is over 40 (just) and no way will current Hollywood try to re-launch a franchise with a guy in his 40's who isn't already a proven and bankable movie star (if he was things might be different). Hence we get 28 year old Henry Cavill instead, who will hopefully turn out to be a good choice regardless.

Such are the ways of hollywood.

MarfMaster
10-05-2011, 04:42 PM
Sad fact is, Jon Hamm is over 40 (just) and no way will current Hollywood try to re-launch a franchise with a guy in his 40's who isn't already a proven and bankable movie star (if he was things might be different). Hence we get 28 year old Henry Cavill instead, who will hopefully turn out to be a good choice regardless.

Such are the ways of hollywood.

Robert Downey Jr. was a "bankable star" before Iron Man?

electroshock
10-05-2011, 04:58 PM
I just saw this in the web


http://cerebro-digital.com/noticias/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/5351602x452_446955.jpg

Gipetto0812
10-05-2011, 05:01 PM
sorry mate but you're a little late

that's been up for quite some time now.

Cavil does look great in the suit though

filip629
10-06-2011, 12:46 AM
sorry mate but you're a little late

that's been up for quite some time now.

Cavil does look great in the suit though

Yes he does. He cuts a very imposing figure in the suit. He looks bigger than any of the other actors I've seen wearing the cape and tights. Cavil certainly does look the part.

BuffyGirl
10-06-2011, 07:20 AM
I just saw this in the web


http://cerebro-digital.com/noticias/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/5351602x452_446955.jpg

Yeah, definitely looks good. Can't wait for this!

thenammagazine
10-06-2011, 07:26 AM
Yes he does. He cuts a very imposing figure in the suit. He looks bigger than any of the other actors I've seen wearing the cape and tights. Cavil certainly does look the part.


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VX6qM6yvVSQ/Tm9uG_lN0UI/AAAAAAAABHc/3t03WxIvJGc/s1600/now2.jpg

JBElliott
10-06-2011, 09:46 AM
I hope Superman lives up to the high paint standards we've come to expect from SSC.

He will, Superman has super painting skills.

The Mike
10-06-2011, 01:48 PM
I hope Superman lives up to the high paint standards we've come to expect from SSC.


He will, Superman has super painting skills.

So wait, your argument that Superman will have fantastic paint is because Superman himself has super painting skills...so by that logic Superman will be painting our PFs?

The Mike
10-06-2011, 01:49 PM
Why the hell are there two Superman PF threads?

Sweet Rabbit
10-06-2011, 02:32 PM
threads merged

JBElliott
10-06-2011, 03:12 PM
So wait, your argument that Superman will have fantastic paint is because Superman himself has super painting skills...so by that logic Superman will be painting our PFs?

Who else would paint the Superman PF? And with his super speed, all we'll have to do is wait for the paint to dry! They'll be finished in no time flat!

Plus, if he shipped them at super speed . . .

Only the Flash PF will be done faster, but it might not be as good since Flash doesn't have super painting skills.

thenammagazine
10-06-2011, 03:34 PM
He will, Superman has super painting skills.


Who else would paint the Superman PF? And with his super speed, all we'll have to do is wait for the paint to dry! They'll be finished in no time flat!

Plus, if he shipped them at super speed . . .

Only the Flash PF will be done faster, but it might not be as good since Flash doesn't have super painting skills.


http://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/superman_facepalm_by_randomredneck1990-d37784g1.jpg

filip629
10-06-2011, 08:31 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VX6qM6yvVSQ/Tm9uG_lN0UI/AAAAAAAABHc/3t03WxIvJGc/s1600/now2.jpg

Wow. That costume will take a little getting used to but Cavil is HUGE.

thenammagazine
10-06-2011, 08:35 PM
Wow. That costume will take a little getting used to but Cavil is HUGE.

I thought that initially as well (about the costume). But the more I look at it, the more I think it's a good update. The "S" looks outstanding and the cape flows nice. It's just the absence of the red chonies that throws ya for a loop. :lol

tomk
10-07-2011, 02:45 AM
You know that's a manip and he's wearing a muscle suit don't you? He's in fantastic shape and looks great but he's getting some help there.

I confess I'm not fond of the new suit but he still looks awesome in it.

MISFIT
10-07-2011, 04:29 AM
jim lee's desgins kick mucho ass! he mixes it up while still keepin sum of the original desgin. one of my FAV comic book artists! totally changed up teh comics game and gave the x-men there awesome look we all knw. im likin the whole kryptonian suit thing as he is a alien.

fuzzylojiks
10-07-2011, 04:47 AM
jim lee's desgins kick mucho ass! he mixes it up while still keepin sum of the original desgin. one of my FAV comic book artists! totally changed up teh comics game and gave the x-men there awesome look we all knw. im likin the whole kryptonian suit thing as he is a alien.

:goodpost::hi5:

heathunter881
10-07-2011, 05:07 AM
ill take the alex ross version any day

MISFIT
10-07-2011, 09:48 AM
i did like the ultimate dc version that was done, always thought his suit shud hav an alien typa look. so many possibilties with supes!,

JBElliott
10-07-2011, 11:08 AM
Superman isn't really an alien. He's a human. His suit never really started off being something alien, a lot of that started from the Donner movie when Jor-El wore the S-shield. Up until that time the S-shield was for Superman and had nothing to do with Krypton.

I've always hated the idea of playing up the alien side of Superman. Superman is the most human of any superhero and that's what makes him the greatest of all of them.

thenammagazine
10-07-2011, 11:14 AM
Superman isn't really an alien. He's a human. His suit never really started off being something alien, a lot of that started from the Donner movie when Jor-El wore the S-shield. Up until that time the S-shield was for Superman and had nothing to do with Krypton.

I've always hated the idea of playing up the alien side of Superman. Superman is the most human of any superhero and that's what makes him the greatest of all of them.

:cuckoo: WTF are you talking about?! He a different race and comes from a different planet. :lol

The Mike
10-07-2011, 02:07 PM
Superman isn't really an alien. He's a human. His suit never really started off being something alien, a lot of that started from the Donner movie when Jor-El wore the S-shield. Up until that time the S-shield was for Superman and had nothing to do with Krypton. I've always hated the idea of playing up the alien side of Superman. Superman is the most human of any superhero and that's what makes him the greatest of all of them.

http://tigerlilytoph.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/facepalm-3.jpg

Josh-A-Tron
10-07-2011, 02:14 PM
Superman isn't really an alien. He's a human. His suit never really started off being something alien, a lot of that started from the Donner movie when Jor-El wore the S-shield. Up until that time the S-shield was for Superman and had nothing to do with Krypton.

I've always hated the idea of playing up the alien side of Superman. Superman is the most human of any superhero and that's what makes him the greatest of all of them.

Action comics #1
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug02/yeung/actioncomics/images/page1.jpg

Oh look he is an alien.

The Mike
10-07-2011, 02:18 PM
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ancient-aliens-i-dont-know-therefore-aliens.jpg

thenammagazine
10-07-2011, 03:07 PM
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ancient-aliens-i-dont-know-therefore-aliens.jpg

Pothead professors FTF! :yess:

JBElliott
10-07-2011, 03:19 PM
Action comics #1
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug02/yeung/actioncomics/images/page1.jpg

Oh look he is an alien.

Not really. He looks like a human, acts like a human, dresses like a human and so on. For all intents and purposes he's a human and always has been. The alien angle has only been played up recently. Even in the silver age where his Kryptonian heritage was a bigger deal he still acted fully human and didn't whine about being an alien.

csutkakoma
10-07-2011, 03:30 PM
Not really. He looks like a human, acts like a human, dresses like a human and so on. For all intents and purposes he's a human and always has been. The alien angle has only been played up recently. Even in the silver age where his Kryptonian heritage was a bigger deal he still acted fully human and didn't whine about being an alien.


LOL! So because he raised on Earth and therefore he acts like a human than he is a human? :slap So Mowgli who was raised by wolfs is a wolf and not a human! Epicness! :rock

thenammagazine
10-07-2011, 03:49 PM
Not really. He looks like a human, acts like a human, dresses like a human and so on. For all intents and purposes he's a human and always has been. The alien angle has only been played up recently. Even in the silver age where his Kryptonian heritage was a bigger deal he still acted fully human and didn't whine about being an alien.

Humans don't defy gravity, they don't shoot lasers from their eyes, can't see through everything except lead, they can't freeze people with their breath, they can't run faster than the speed of sound, they can't lift 1000x their weight, they can't deflect bullets with their skin. etc., etc., etc. He's always been an alien and always will be an alien. While I'll agree with you that Superman may be more human than human in behavior (which still doesn't make him human), genetically, he's anything but.

The Mike
10-07-2011, 07:00 PM
Any Science Fiction fan knows that an alien like Superman or in the DC Universe like any of the Legion of Superheroes, Mon-EL, Sodam Yat, are humanoids. Which is defined as something that has an appearance resembling a human being. This also hits most of the robotic figures throughout the DCU.

Superman is Kryptonian. He IS NOT Human, they are not playing up or downplaying anything. The creators of the hero made him an alien who crash lands to Earth and is raised by humans, then decides to save the planet from itself. End argument.

batfan08
10-07-2011, 07:18 PM
Humans don't defy gravity, they don't shoot lasers from their eyes, can't see through everything except lead, they can't freeze people with their breath, they can't run faster than the speed of sound, they can't lift 1000x their weight, they can't deflect bullets with their skin. etc., etc., etc. He's always been an alien and always will be an alien. While I'll agree with you that Superman may be more human than human in behavior (which still doesn't make him human), genetically, he's anything but.

It's only a matter of time...

buzzybean
10-08-2011, 06:34 PM
jim lee's desgins kick mucho ass! he mixes it up while still keepin sum of the original desgin. one of my FAV comic book artists! totally changed up teh comics game and gave the x-men there awesome look we all knw. im likin the whole kryptonian suit thing as he is a alien.

Jim Lee sucks.


BB

thenammagazine
10-08-2011, 09:10 PM
Jim Lee sucks.


BB

:lecture:lecture:lecture:exactly::rotfl

Mr. Green
10-09-2011, 06:37 PM
Jim Lee FTW!!!



Although by the time SS debut the PF, I am ok with the new costume too.

JBElliott
10-10-2011, 11:53 AM
Any Science Fiction fan knows that an alien like Superman or in the DC Universe like any of the Legion of Superheroes, Mon-EL, Sodam Yat, are humanoids. Which is defined as something that has an appearance resembling a human being. This also hits most of the robotic figures throughout the DCU.

Superman is Kryptonian. He IS NOT Human, they are not playing up or downplaying anything. The creators of the hero made him an alien who crash lands to Earth and is raised by humans, then decides to save the planet from itself. End argument.

It's not his genetic material or his powers that define him, it's his actions and those actions are 100% human, at least in the best Superman stories, e.g. Kingdom Come or AC#775.

Clark Kent is who Superman is, he has no first hand recollection with Krypton and was raised by Martha and Jonathan Kent as their child. That's what makes him human. His powers could make him inhuman, but what he does with them makes him human.

The Mike
10-10-2011, 12:27 PM
You can argue that what he does is humane even that it is more humane that any other actual human on the planet but I'm sorry you cannot justify Superman as an actual Earth born human. His genetic material and his powers DO define him because without those he wouldn't be able to accomplish these massive feats of humanity in which you are trying to glorify.

The character IS Kal-El. He wants desperately TO BE Clark Kent, so he can fit in, have a home, a species but in order to try and save the home he loves so much he BECOMES Superman. You can't argue that the character as defined by the creators of said character, what part of that do you not understand?

You are seriously bridging trolling status at this point...

Darklord Dave
10-10-2011, 01:31 PM
Yes, the interesting thing about Superman is that he is an alien that has been raised as a human and thus has values comparable to Earthians. Playing up the alien side is what makes him an interesting character. Although many of the people that came to America embraced their new identity as an "American," they are still interested in their roots and finding out where they came from. I'd think this would be multiply true for someone from another planet with gifts far beyond those of mortal men.

brucecamblzchin
10-10-2011, 01:38 PM
jim lee's desgins kick mucho ass! he mixes it up while still keepin sum of the original desgin. one of my FAV comic book artists! totally changed up teh comics game and gave the x-men there awesome look we all knw. im likin the whole kryptonian suit thing as he is a alien.

lol, Kashan is the raddest dood itt.

Did that sideshow sneak peek show a Supes PF? I thought I saw a Supes bust. I want a Chris Reeve Supes PF k thanx.

thenammagazine
10-10-2011, 08:05 PM
You can argue that what he does is humane even that it is more humane that any other actual human on the planet but I'm sorry you cannot justify Superman as an actual Earth born human. His genetic material and his powers DO define him because without those he wouldn't be able to accomplish these massive feats of humanity in which you are trying to glorify.

The character IS Kal-El. He wants desperately TO BE Clark Kent, so he can fit in, have a home, a species but in order to try and save the home he loves so much he BECOMES Superman. You can't argue that the character as defined by the creators of said character, what part of that do you not understand?

You are seriously bridging trolling status at this point...

:lecture:lecture:lecture :exactly:

Kabukiman
10-11-2011, 06:29 AM
Either this JBElliot guy is trolling or he's trying to say Superman is human in the Star Trek II Kirk's eulogy for Spock way:

"Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most... human"

JBElliott
10-12-2011, 03:39 PM
You can argue that what he does is humane even that it is more humane that any other actual human on the planet but I'm sorry you cannot justify Superman as an actual Earth born human. His genetic material and his powers DO define him because without those he wouldn't be able to accomplish these massive feats of humanity in which you are trying to glorify.

The character IS Kal-El. He wants desperately TO BE Clark Kent, so he can fit in, have a home, a species but in order to try and save the home he loves so much he BECOMES Superman. You can't argue that the character as defined by the creators of said character, what part of that do you not understand?

You are seriously bridging trolling status at this point...

I'm not trolling at all. But maybe you are?

In both Byrne's "Man of Steel" and Ross' and Waid's "Kingdom Come" the point was made clearly that it was Clark Kent's humanity that made Superman the greatest superhero.

Byrne went so far to make the point that he was actually born on Earth since he didn't emerge from his birthing matrix until he had landed on Earth. Unfortunately, Byrne made Kryptonian's look exactly like humans. It would have been more "realistic" to make them look completely inhuman, perhaps not even show them or make them formless, and have the birthing matrix scan the DNA of the Kents and use that to "make" Clark into a super human.

Even still, in Byrne's origin, logically, Clark's earliest memories are of being raised by the Kents, he never knew the El's until much, much later and at a point in time well after his personality and self identity had already been established as Clark Kent and a human being. Later when he put on the suit that Ma Kent had made for him (with an S-shield that had an S on it that Ma Kent had designed and stood for Superman) he became Superman. In order to keep his real identity secret, to the world Clark Kent became a "nerdier" version of the Clark Kent that Ma and Pa Kent raised and only those closest to him knew the real Clark Kent (something that's not uncommon in the real world where only the people closest to you know the "real" you). In that regards, Clark is not really Kal-El at all.

While physiologically Clark is an Kryptonian, psychologically he is a human.

Of course that's all post-Crisis and pre-DCnU, so it's out the window in terms of current comics continuity, but in my opinion that was the best interpretation of Superman I've read.

A close second was Mark Millar's Superman from "Red Son" who was really a human sent back in time and Jor-L is actually a distant descendant of Luthor (the L is for Luthor).

JBElliott
10-12-2011, 03:40 PM
Either this JBElliot guy is trolling or he's trying to say Superman is human in the Star Trek II Kirk's eulogy for Spock way:

"Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the most... human"

I'm not trolling Kabukima, are you?

JBElliott
10-12-2011, 03:44 PM
Yes, the interesting thing about Superman is that he is an alien that has been raised as a human and thus has values comparable to Earthians. Playing up the alien side is what makes him an interesting character. Although many of the people that came to America embraced their new identity as an "American," they are still interested in their roots and finding out where they came from. I'd think this would be multiply true for someone from another planet with gifts far beyond those of mortal men.

I disagree with that. Playing up is alien physiology and Kryptonian history doesn't make the character more interesting. That's just a popular thing that writers do nowadays, but something that's been done a lot better with other characters. Superman shouldn't be about the loss of his parents (Batman does that a lot better) or the loss of his world (J'onn J'onzz does that a lot better). Superman should be about doing the right thing no matter how difficult or unpopular it is. If you think that sounds boring, then you haven't read good writers working that angle.

thenammagazine
10-12-2011, 03:45 PM
But regardless of how much you troll your opinion that his behavior his human, which we all agree with, it doesn't change the fact that Superman is from another planet, which by default, makes him an alien. :huh

Mr. Green
10-12-2011, 06:45 PM
Big deal...I used to work with aliens!

Kabukiman
10-13-2011, 07:06 AM
I'm not trolling Kabukima, are you?

WTF? :cuckoo: Explain.

fuzzylojiks
10-13-2011, 07:09 AM
Jim Lee FTW!!!



Although by the time SS debut the PF, I am ok with the new costume too.

:hi5::1-1:



Big deal...I used to work with aliens!

Don't think he means the illegal kind!

Josh-A-Tron
10-13-2011, 08:41 PM
You know that's a manip and he's wearing a muscle suit don't you? He's in fantastic shape and looks great but he's getting some help there.

I confess I'm not fond of the new suit but he still looks awesome in it.

http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/superman-shirtless-02.jpg

Muscle suit huh? More like the Spartan workout.

devilof76
10-13-2011, 08:48 PM
What makes Kryptonians inhuman? :dunno

Aren't they just ____ sapiens living on a world where the gravitational and solar conditions are such that if you transplant them to earth, they have superpowers?

What's so human about doing the right thing? Anyone can do it. What makes Superman doing the right thing important is that his alien heritage has given him powers to do it on a scale unimaginable to, and impossible for, Earthlings.

Superman's defining characteristic is the fact that he is not from Earth. What distinguishes him from villains is his moral character, which honestly, is more associable with his upbringing according to middle American values than it is to anything else. Most humans disparage that morality, last I checked. They write it off as naive, or simple, or judgmental, or any other number of condescending estimates.

Superman
10-13-2011, 09:08 PM
If this Superman PF is anything but Classic looking Christopher Reeve/Dean Cain, then I ain't buying. Simple as that. Red trunks or not.

devilof76
10-13-2011, 09:15 PM
I think the odds are much higher that it'll be based on comic art, not actors.

The Mike
10-13-2011, 09:34 PM
Much like the original Marvel releases, these will be generic, comic inspired interpretations. The Joker pretty much proved that. The question is which artist will be the base.

Superman
10-13-2011, 10:27 PM
I think the odds are much higher that it'll be based on comic art, not actors.

What I meant to say is the classic costume that the movie's/tvshows depicted.